Re: [Foundation-l] "The problem with Wikipedia..."
On 18 June 2010 08:53, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote: > Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote: >> The "original" original of the concept itself is of course >> "The Flight of the Bumblebee", with a related concept >> being the centipede losing track of it's legs, when it >> begins trying to "think through" what it is doing with >> them. >> > > The concept of "Information Wants to be Free" has been > authoritatively shown to have roots in thinkers as ancient > as Aristotle. I would guess here too, that the instance > of scientists calculating the amount of energy it took to > keep the bumblebee up in the air, and measuring the > amount of food it actually consumed, is likely not the > earliest form of this paradox. Not really. All they ever calculated was weather it could glide. It couldn't. In this they were correct. -- geni ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] "The problem with Wikipedia..."
Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote: > The "original" original of the concept itself is of course > "The Flight of the Bumblebee", with a related concept > being the centipede losing track of it's legs, when it > begins trying to "think through" what it is doing with > them. > The concept of "Information Wants to be Free" has been authoritatively shown to have roots in thinkers as ancient as Aristotle. I would guess here too, that the instance of scientists calculating the amount of energy it took to keep the bumblebee up in the air, and measuring the amount of food it actually consumed, is likely not the earliest form of this paradox. Not precisely the same, but much older, is of course the following passage from Tertullian: 'Natus est Dei Filius, non pudet, quia pudendum est; et mortuus est Dei Filius, prorsus credibile est, quia ineptum est; et sepultus resurrexit, certum est, quia impossibile.' (De Carne Christi V, 4) "The Son of God was born: there is no shame, because it is shameful. And the Son of God died: it is wholly credible, because it is unsound. And, buried, He rose again: it is certain, because impossible." ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Credo_quia_absurdum ) Yours, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] "The problem with Wikipedia..."
Ryan Lomonaco wrote: > Forwarded per request. > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Joseph Reagle > Date: Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 6:45 PM > Subject: Fwd: Re: [Foundation-l] "The problem with Wikipedia..." > To: foundation-l-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org > > On Thursday, June 17, 2010, phoebe ayers wrote: > >> Actually, the other way around, as others have stated. >> >> Now that you mention it, I've seen that quote attributed to Gareth >> Owen before, so that may actually be the origin of it. I think it's >> quite a bit older than 2006 though. >> > > A wonderful question and one I've been interested in since I think such > aphorisms have an interesting normative power (e.g., some others include > [a]). Of course scholars, at least, like it so much because it shows that > the theory is incomplete and hence is grist for their mills, i.e., new > theory! :-) > > I can't provide a provenance any more specific than already noted (i.e., > appearing on Gareth Owen's user page) and I always found it ironically apt > that such a prominent statement about Wikipedia is attributed to an > anonymous. (If anyone knows Owen, please ask!) However, here's a bit of a > time-line, I think it certainly spread as a meme in wider circles thanks to > Cohen at the NYT. > > 20060120: Gareth Owen's user page [1]. > 20060321: Raul654's adds it to his laws [2]. > 20070423: Noam Cohen reference in NYT [3]. > 20070501: Quoted in Wikizine [4]. > 20070613: Sage Ross refers to it as old hat a few months later in response > to popular Britannica blog entry [5]. > 20080106: Cohen references it again [6]. > > I would suggest that if anyone has a good set of logs of the various IRC channels, grepping the pre 20th of January 2006 logs might suggest an earlier usage. Or it might not. Yours, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] "The problem with Wikipedia..."
Forwarded per request. -- Forwarded message -- From: Joseph Reagle Date: Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 6:45 PM Subject: Fwd: Re: [Foundation-l] "The problem with Wikipedia..." To: foundation-l-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org On Thursday, June 17, 2010, phoebe ayers wrote: > Actually, the other way around, as others have stated. > > Now that you mention it, I've seen that quote attributed to Gareth > Owen before, so that may actually be the origin of it. I think it's > quite a bit older than 2006 though. A wonderful question and one I've been interested in since I think such aphorisms have an interesting normative power (e.g., some others include [a]). Of course scholars, at least, like it so much because it shows that the theory is incomplete and hence is grist for their mills, i.e., new theory! :-) I can't provide a provenance any more specific than already noted (i.e., appearing on Gareth Owen's user page) and I always found it ironically apt that such a prominent statement about Wikipedia is attributed to an anonymous. (If anyone knows Owen, please ask!) However, here's a bit of a time-line, I think it certainly spread as a meme in wider circles thanks to Cohen at the NYT. 20060120: Gareth Owen's user page [1]. 20060321: Raul654's adds it to his laws [2]. 20070423: Noam Cohen reference in NYT [3]. 20070501: Quoted in Wikizine [4]. 20070613: Sage Ross refers to it as old hat a few months later in response to popular Britannica blog entry [5]. 20080106: Cohen references it again [6]. [a]: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/archived_content/people/reagle/inet-quotations-19990709.html [1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Gareth_Owen&oldid=35978744 [2]: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Raul654/Raul%27s_laws&oldid=44834502 [3]: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/23/technology/23link.html [4]: http://en.wikizine.org/2007/05/year-2007-week-18-number-69.html [5]: http://www.britannica.com/blogs/2007/06/authority-of-a-new-kind/ [6]: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/books/06cohenintro.html ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] "The problem with Wikipedia..."
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 8:51 AM, wrote: > Thank you all! Very helpful. I'll attribute it to Gareth, and note that it's > passed into widespread use. "The popular observation is that Wikipedia only works in practice. In theory, it can never work." Sheizaf Rafaeli and Yaron Ariel, "Online Motivation Factors: Incentives for Participation and Contribution in Wikipedia", published in "Psychological aspects of cyberspace", Cambridge University Press. ISBN 0521694647 p.243 http://gsb.haifa.ac.il/~sheizaf/cyberpsych/11-Rafaeli&Ariel.pdf http://books.google.com.au/books?id=2NaSFhCAU0oC&q="Wikipedia+only+works+in+practice"; -- John Vandenberg ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] "The problem with Wikipedia..."
Platonides wrote: > geni wrote: > >> Well I can search wikipedia-en-l as far back as 13.09.04 and I'm not >> coming up with anything. Running google searches for mentions pre 2006 >> doesn't turn up anything however use explodes in 2006 which is rather >> fast if than jan 2006 use is the first. >> > > I grepped for it in foundation-l, wikien-l and wikipedia-l archives but > found nothing. > > BTW, it seems we dropped our archives of intlwiki-l. > Info-de-l, spamtest-l and the odd jason-l and jason2-l lists. > > > > My guess would be anyway that it wasn't on the lists, but in an IRC chat. Might even have been by me, since I had used a similar formulation about the internet as a whole, over a decade before. But I am certainly not claiming affirmatively to be the originator, since as others have said, the play on words is pretty obvious. Yours, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] "The problem with Wikipedia..."
Pharos wrote: > This is the best source of the "zeroth law" of Wikipedia: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Raul654/Raul%27s_laws#Laws_by_others > > I believe people have tried to track down the original coiner, but > noone really knows. > > > The "original" original of the concept itself is of course "The Flight of the Bumblebee", with a related concept being the centipede losing track of it's legs, when it begins trying to "think through" what it is doing with them. In actual fact I employed this kind of formulation to rebut New Media pundit Teppo Turkki (think of him as the Finnish equivalent of Andrew Keene, and you won't go too far wrong) in a debate here in Finland, in the mid 1990's, on the subject of the future of the Internet. My opinion was that eventually, with the passage of time the Internet would not be "The Net of a Million Lies" anymore, at least in terms of any idea that had been debated exhaustively on the web, though new lies would regularly sprout of course. Teppo Turkki attempted to just completely pooh-pooh the very idea, saying "That might be the way it works in theory, but in practise... " To which I replied lightning fast that in fact, "It could never in fact work in theory, but practical experience has showed otherwise." Yours, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] "The problem with Wikipedia..."
Thank you all! Very helpful. I'll attribute it to Gareth, and note that it's passed into widespread use. Thanks, Sue -Original Message- From: Joseph Reagle Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 18:39:41 To: phoebe ayers Cc: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List; Sage Ross; Sue Gardner Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] "The problem with Wikipedia..." On Thursday, June 17, 2010, phoebe ayers wrote: > Actually, the other way around, as others have stated. > > Now that you mention it, I've seen that quote attributed to Gareth > Owen before, so that may actually be the origin of it. I think it's > quite a bit older than 2006 though. A wonderful question and one I've been interested in since I think such aphorisms have an interesting normative power (e.g., some others include [a]). Of course scholars, at least, like it so much *because* it shows that the theory is incomplete and hence is grist for their mills, i.e., new theory! :-) I can't provide a provenance any more specific than already noted (i.e., appearing on Gareth Owen's user page) and I always found it ironically apt that such a prominent statement about Wikipedia is attributed to an anonymous. (If anyone knows Owen, please ask!) However, here's a bit of a time-line, I think it certainly spread as a meme in wider circles thanks to Cohen at the NYT. 20060120: Gareth Owen's user page [1]. 20060321: Raul654's adds it to his laws [2]. 20070423: Noam Cohen reference in NYT [3]. 20070501: Quoted in Wikizine [4]. 20070613: Sage Ross refers to it as old hat a few months later in response to popular Britannica blog entry [5]. 20080106: Cohen references it again [6]. [a]:http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/archived_content/people/reagle/inet-quotations-19990709.html [1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Gareth_Owen&oldid=35978744 [2]: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Raul654/Raul%27s_laws&oldid=44834502 [3]: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/23/technology/23link.html [4]: http://en.wikizine.org/2007/05/year-2007-week-18-number-69.html [5]: http://www.britannica.com/blogs/2007/06/authority-of-a-new-kind/ [6]: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/books/06cohenintro.html ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] "The problem with Wikipedia..."
geni wrote: > Well I can search wikipedia-en-l as far back as 13.09.04 and I'm not > coming up with anything. Running google searches for mentions pre 2006 > doesn't turn up anything however use explodes in 2006 which is rather > fast if than jan 2006 use is the first. I grepped for it in foundation-l, wikien-l and wikipedia-l archives but found nothing. BTW, it seems we dropped our archives of intlwiki-l. Info-de-l, spamtest-l and the odd jason-l and jason2-l lists. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] "The problem with Wikipedia..."
Ha. Yes, of course :-) -Original Message- From: Dan Rosenthal Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 16:07:59 To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] "The problem with Wikipedia..." Isn't the quote backwards? "The problem with Wikipedia is that it only works in practice. It could never work in theory"? -Dan On Jun 17, 2010, at 4:03 PM, Sue Gardner wrote: > "The problem with Wikipedia is that it only works in theory. It could > never work in practice." > > I've seen that quote attributed to Jimmy, and also to Miikka Ryokas, > quoted by Noam Cohen in his NY Times story about Virginia Tech. But > neither of them, I think, originated it. > > Does anyone have a good attribution for first use of that quote? (I'm > using it in a presentation and want to attribute if I can.) > > Thanks, > Sue > > > > > -- > Sue Gardner > Executive Director > Wikimedia Foundation > > 415 839 6885 office > 415 816 9967 cell > > Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in > the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! > > http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] "The problem with Wikipedia..."
Hello, I could imagine that such a statement, in a different form, comes originally from socialist or anti-socialist circles. By the way, I am not such a big fan of this seemingly witty remark. If there is a conflict between theory and practice, that means that your theory is bad and has to be adjusted to practice. (In Soviet Union it was the other way round, reality had to be shaped conforming to the theory, that's why I believe the idea comes from somewhere there.) If your theory is that Wikipedia is anarchy and creative chaos and swarm intelligence etc., then, of course, Wikipedia does not work in theory. :-) Kind regards Ziko 2010/6/17 geni : > On 17 June 2010 21:37, phoebe ayers wrote: >> On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 1:19 PM, David Gerard wrote: >>> Here's the phrase in a 1988 sociology paper: >>> >>> http://jpart.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/pdf_extract/1/1/19 >>> >>> I'd call it a pretty obvious play on words, though, so I really doubt >>> we got it from that. >>> >>> Anyone got a complete wikien-l archive to grovel through? >>> >>> >>> - d. >> >> going back that far it might be on wikipedia-l, I think, and Joseph >> Reagle has done quite a bit of work analyzing that -- maybe he can >> help. We're looking for the orgins of the quote: "The problem with >> Wikipedia is that it only works in theory. It could >> never work in practice." > > Well I can search wikipedia-en-l as far back as 13.09.04 and I'm not > coming up with anything. Running google searches for mentions pre 2006 > doesn't turn up anything however use explodes in 2006 which is rather > fast if than jan 2006 use is the first. > > > > -- > geni > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > -- Ziko van Dijk Niederlande ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] "The problem with Wikipedia..."
On 17 June 2010 21:37, phoebe ayers wrote: > On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 1:19 PM, David Gerard wrote: >> Here's the phrase in a 1988 sociology paper: >> >> http://jpart.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/pdf_extract/1/1/19 >> >> I'd call it a pretty obvious play on words, though, so I really doubt >> we got it from that. >> >> Anyone got a complete wikien-l archive to grovel through? >> >> >> - d. > > going back that far it might be on wikipedia-l, I think, and Joseph > Reagle has done quite a bit of work analyzing that -- maybe he can > help. We're looking for the orgins of the quote: "The problem with > Wikipedia is that it only works in theory. It could > never work in practice." Well I can search wikipedia-en-l as far back as 13.09.04 and I'm not coming up with anything. Running google searches for mentions pre 2006 doesn't turn up anything however use explodes in 2006 which is rather fast if than jan 2006 use is the first. -- geni ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] "The problem with Wikipedia..."
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > Yes, it's communism that works in theory but not in practice. :-) But isn't Wikipedia Communism? It must be true, I saw it written so on Wikipedia! :D - -Mike -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkwaiLoACgkQst0AR/DaKHvUXgCbBY+yHj/W+Z5slPOBMLhCfyxs XYoAn18fKr6W3bX3O3y8Csw3STMY0ZUW =4pzn -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] "The problem with Wikipedia..."
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 1:37 PM, phoebe ayers wrote: > On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 1:19 PM, David Gerard wrote: >> Here's the phrase in a 1988 sociology paper: >> >> http://jpart.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/pdf_extract/1/1/19 >> >> I'd call it a pretty obvious play on words, though, so I really doubt >> we got it from that. >> >> Anyone got a complete wikien-l archive to grovel through? >> >> >> - d. > > going back that far it might be on wikipedia-l, I think, and Joseph > Reagle has done quite a bit of work analyzing that -- maybe he can > help. We're looking for the orgins of the quote: "The problem with > Wikipedia is that it only works in theory. It could > never work in practice." > > :) > -- phoebe Actually, the other way around, as others have stated. Now that you mention it, I've seen that quote attributed to Gareth Owen before, so that may actually be the origin of it. I think it's quite a bit older than 2006 though. -- phoebe ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] "The problem with Wikipedia..."
On 17 June 2010 21:14, Michael Snow wrote: > Dan Rosenthal wrote: >> Isn't the quote backwards? "The problem with Wikipedia is that it only works >> in practice. It could never work in theory"? >> > It can be formulated various ways. Raul's Laws has yet another variation: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Raul654/Raul%27s_laws > > I'd note that in the history of that page, it dates back to March 2006 > and even then the original author was listed as unknown. That makes it > exactly the sort of quote that is easily misattributed to Winston > Churchill or Abraham Lincoln. > > --Michael Snow "The problem with Wikipedia is that it only works in practice. In theory, it's a total disaster" goes back to jan 2006 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Gareth_Owen&oldid=35978744 -- geni ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] "The problem with Wikipedia..."
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 1:19 PM, David Gerard wrote: > Here's the phrase in a 1988 sociology paper: > > http://jpart.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/pdf_extract/1/1/19 > > I'd call it a pretty obvious play on words, though, so I really doubt > we got it from that. > > Anyone got a complete wikien-l archive to grovel through? > > > - d. going back that far it might be on wikipedia-l, I think, and Joseph Reagle has done quite a bit of work analyzing that -- maybe he can help. We're looking for the orgins of the quote: "The problem with Wikipedia is that it only works in theory. It could never work in practice." :) -- phoebe ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] "The problem with Wikipedia..."
Here's the phrase in a 1988 sociology paper: http://jpart.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/pdf_extract/1/1/19 I'd call it a pretty obvious play on words, though, so I really doubt we got it from that. Anyone got a complete wikien-l archive to grovel through? - d. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] "The problem with Wikipedia..."
Dan Rosenthal wrote: > Isn't the quote backwards? "The problem with Wikipedia is that it only works > in practice. It could never work in theory"? > It can be formulated various ways. Raul's Laws has yet another variation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Raul654/Raul%27s_laws I'd note that in the history of that page, it dates back to March 2006 and even then the original author was listed as unknown. That makes it exactly the sort of quote that is easily misattributed to Winston Churchill or Abraham Lincoln. --Michael Snow ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] "The problem with Wikipedia..."
On 17 June 2010 21:07, Dan Rosenthal wrote: > Isn't the quote backwards? "The problem with Wikipedia is that it only works > in practice. It could never work in theory"? I vaguely remember it on wikien-l many years ago. I have no idea if that was its first use. - d. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] "The problem with Wikipedia..."
This is the best source of the "zeroth law" of Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Raul654/Raul%27s_laws#Laws_by_others I believe people have tried to track down the original coiner, but noone really knows. Thanks, Pharos 2010/6/17 Jon Harald Søby : > Yes, it's communism that works in theory but not in practice. :-) > > 2010/6/17 Dan Rosenthal > >> Isn't the quote backwards? "The problem with Wikipedia is that it only >> works in practice. It could never work in theory"? >> >> -Dan >> On Jun 17, 2010, at 4:03 PM, Sue Gardner wrote: >> >> > "The problem with Wikipedia is that it only works in theory. It could >> > never work in practice." >> > >> > I've seen that quote attributed to Jimmy, and also to Miikka Ryokas, >> > quoted by Noam Cohen in his NY Times story about Virginia Tech. But >> > neither of them, I think, originated it. >> > >> > Does anyone have a good attribution for first use of that quote? (I'm >> > using it in a presentation and want to attribute if I can.) >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Sue >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Sue Gardner >> > Executive Director >> > Wikimedia Foundation >> > >> > 415 839 6885 office >> > 415 816 9967 cell >> > >> > Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in >> > the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! >> > >> > http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate >> > >> > ___ >> > foundation-l mailing list >> > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l >> >> >> ___ >> foundation-l mailing list >> foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l >> > > > > -- > Jon Harald Søby > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Jon_Harald_S%C3%B8by > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] "The problem with Wikipedia..."
Yes, it's communism that works in theory but not in practice. :-) 2010/6/17 Dan Rosenthal > Isn't the quote backwards? "The problem with Wikipedia is that it only > works in practice. It could never work in theory"? > > -Dan > On Jun 17, 2010, at 4:03 PM, Sue Gardner wrote: > > > "The problem with Wikipedia is that it only works in theory. It could > > never work in practice." > > > > I've seen that quote attributed to Jimmy, and also to Miikka Ryokas, > > quoted by Noam Cohen in his NY Times story about Virginia Tech. But > > neither of them, I think, originated it. > > > > Does anyone have a good attribution for first use of that quote? (I'm > > using it in a presentation and want to attribute if I can.) > > > > Thanks, > > Sue > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Sue Gardner > > Executive Director > > Wikimedia Foundation > > > > 415 839 6885 office > > 415 816 9967 cell > > > > Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in > > the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! > > > > http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate > > > > ___ > > foundation-l mailing list > > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > -- Jon Harald Søby http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Jon_Harald_S%C3%B8by ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] "The problem with Wikipedia..."
Isn't the quote backwards? "The problem with Wikipedia is that it only works in practice. It could never work in theory"? -Dan On Jun 17, 2010, at 4:03 PM, Sue Gardner wrote: > "The problem with Wikipedia is that it only works in theory. It could > never work in practice." > > I've seen that quote attributed to Jimmy, and also to Miikka Ryokas, > quoted by Noam Cohen in his NY Times story about Virginia Tech. But > neither of them, I think, originated it. > > Does anyone have a good attribution for first use of that quote? (I'm > using it in a presentation and want to attribute if I can.) > > Thanks, > Sue > > > > > -- > Sue Gardner > Executive Director > Wikimedia Foundation > > 415 839 6885 office > 415 816 9967 cell > > Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in > the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! > > http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] "The problem with Wikipedia..."
"The problem with Wikipedia is that it only works in theory. It could never work in practice." I've seen that quote attributed to Jimmy, and also to Miikka Ryokas, quoted by Noam Cohen in his NY Times story about Virginia Tech. But neither of them, I think, originated it. Does anyone have a good attribution for first use of that quote? (I'm using it in a presentation and want to attribute if I can.) Thanks, Sue -- Sue Gardner Executive Director Wikimedia Foundation 415 839 6885 office 415 816 9967 cell Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
