[Foundation-l] Copyright and cakes...
Silly question for you all: Is http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_cake.jpg actually copyrighted to the WMF as a WMF logo? The cake was made for Wikimedia UK, so it's technically a derivative work, perhaps... Any ideas what the copyright status of this should be? Does the author (Jezhotwells) have the ability to release it under a free licence, if s/he wishes? Richard Symonds Office Development Manager Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 207 065 0992 -- Wikimedia UK is the operating name of Wiki UK Limited, a Charitable Company Registered in England and Wales, No: 6741827. Charity No:1144513 Office: 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. Wikimedia UK is the local chapter of the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). It is an independent non-profit organization with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Copyright and cakes...
The cake designer can only release his/her part of the creative process under a free license (baking the cake/making the photo). I would suggest to just specifiy that the logo-part is copyright WMF, the photographic and cake-baking component to be released under CC-BY (not -SA to avoid the SA clause to make things complicated). That way everyone with permission of the WMF can reuse the design if wanted. Lodewijk No dia 5 de Março de 2012 15:54, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk escreveu: Silly question for you all: Is http://commons.wikimedia.org/**wiki/File:Wikimedia_cake.jpghttp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_cake.jpgactually copyrighted to the WMF as a WMF logo? The cake was made for Wikimedia UK, so it's technically a derivative work, perhaps... Any ideas what the copyright status of this should be? Does the author (Jezhotwells) have the ability to release it under a free licence, if s/he wishes? Richard Symonds Office Development Manager Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 207 065 0992 -- Wikimedia UK is the operating name of Wiki UK Limited, a Charitable Company Registered in England and Wales, No: 6741827. Charity No:1144513 Office: 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. Wikimedia UK is the local chapter of the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). It is an independent non-profit organization with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents. __**_ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.**org foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/foundation-lhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Copyright and cakes...
On 5 March 2012 14:54, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Silly question for you all: Is http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_cake.jpg actually copyrighted to the WMF as a WMF logo? The cake was made for Wikimedia UK, so it's technically a derivative work, perhaps... Its a derivative work. Technically the cake is a copyvio. Any ideas what the copyright status of this should be? The one it is tagged under is about as close as commons could get. Does the author (Jezhotwells) have the ability to release it under a free licence, if s/he wishes? No but if they put it on permanent display in a public place the photo would probably be totally fine under UK freedom of panorama law. -- geni ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Copyright and cakes...
Does the author (Jezhotwells) have the ability to release it under a free licence, if s/he wishes? No but if they put it on permanent display in a public place the photo would probably be totally fine under UK freedom of panorama law. I suspect a court would hold that the set of cakes is disjoint from the set of objects on permanent display, and thus that a photograph of cake can never benefit from freedom of panorama. #nomnomnomnomnom Chris ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Copyright and cakes...
On 5 March 2012 20:22, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 March 2012 14:54, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Silly question for you all: Is http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_cake.jpg actually copyrighted to the WMF as a WMF logo? The cake was made for Wikimedia UK, so it's technically a derivative work, perhaps... Its a derivative work. Technically the cake is a copyvio. It was made for WMUK and WMUK has standing permission to use the logo for certain purposes, which could probably be interpreted as including cakes. Therefore, I don't think the cake is a copyvio. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Copyright and cakes...
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.comwrote: I suspect a court would hold that the set of cakes is disjoint from the set of objects on permanent display, and thus that a photograph of cake can never benefit from freedom of panorama. You mean we can't have the cake and eat it too? Mike ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Copyright and cakes...
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 8:45 PM, Mike Christie coldchr...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com wrote: I suspect a court would hold that the set of cakes is disjoint from the set of objects on permanent display, and thus that a photograph of cake can never benefit from freedom of panorama. You mean we can't have the cake and eat it too? That's another corollary ;-) ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Copyright and cakes...
On 5 March 2012 20:40, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com wrote: I suspect a court would hold that the set of cakes is disjoint from the set of objects on permanent display, and thus that a photograph of cake can never benefit from freedom of panorama. Well you say that but slices of Charles and Diana's wedding cake have turned up at auction as recently as 2008. -- geni ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Copyright and cakes...
On 5 March 2012 22:07, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 March 2012 20:40, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com wrote: I suspect a court would hold that the set of cakes is disjoint from the set of objects on permanent display, and thus that a photograph of cake can never benefit from freedom of panorama. Well you say that but slices of Charles and Diana's wedding cake have turned up at auction as recently as 2008. I wonder how many cakes you would have if you assembled all the fragments. - d. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Copyright and cakes...
eating the cake would damage the moral rights of the logo author. Since he cannot give general permission to violate moral rights, eating the cake would be illegal. No dia 5 de Março de 2012 23:08, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com escreveu: On 5 March 2012 22:07, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 March 2012 20:40, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com wrote: I suspect a court would hold that the set of cakes is disjoint from the set of objects on permanent display, and thus that a photograph of cake can never benefit from freedom of panorama. Well you say that but slices of Charles and Diana's wedding cake have turned up at auction as recently as 2008. I wonder how many cakes you would have if you assembled all the fragments. - d. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Copyright and cakes...
On 5 March 2012 23:14, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote: eating the cake would damage the moral rights of the logo author. Since he cannot give general permission to violate moral rights, eating the cake would be illegal. If you take a slice out of the cake, that could be an issue since you have created a new work that negatively portrays the logo. I think the only option is the eat the entire cake at once. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Copyright and cakes...
Best all around to simply destroy the evidence (by eating it?). ... can this topic end now? Or be moved on-wiki so that it can be filed under WP:SILLY? Thanks, Mike On 5 Mar 2012, at 23:23, Thomas Dalton wrote: On 5 March 2012 23:14, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote: eating the cake would damage the moral rights of the logo author. Since he cannot give general permission to violate moral rights, eating the cake would be illegal. If you take a slice out of the cake, that could be an issue since you have created a new work that negatively portrays the logo. I think the only option is the eat the entire cake at once. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Copyright and cakes...
You're right, the topic is done. Filing it under WP:SILLY would be the icing on the cake. On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Michael Peel michael.p...@wikimedia.org.ukwrote: Best all around to simply destroy the evidence (by eating it?). ... can this topic end now? Or be moved on-wiki so that it can be filed under WP:SILLY? Thanks, Mike On 5 Mar 2012, at 23:23, Thomas Dalton wrote: On 5 March 2012 23:14, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote: eating the cake would damage the moral rights of the logo author. Since he cannot give general permission to violate moral rights, eating the cake would be illegal. If you take a slice out of the cake, that could be an issue since you have created a new work that negatively portrays the logo. I think the only option is the eat the entire cake at once. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
