Re: [Foundation-l] Free culture?
Those sound like typical problems with external links on Wikipedia, not anything specific to Wikia. It's a shame that there isn't an easy way to only see the links in the article namespace, though, as that might make this list of links somewhat more useful (and a lot smaller)... Is this what you're looking for? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Searchns0=1redirs=1advanced=1search=wikia.comlimit=500offset=0 Here is a wonderful example: an article with 39 in-text links to http://piratesonline.wikia.com http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pirates_of_the_Caribbean_Onlineaction=edit A. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Free culture?
This isn't why Peter was moderated, is it? Frank On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.netwrote: Peter Damian, it turns out has a blog, Beyond Necessity and has commented on our banning and moderating activities: http://ocham.blogspot.com/2010/10/free-culture.html Surely he exaggerates, and mere negative comments would not cause his posts to be withheld. I don't think we gain anything by providing a platform for Kohs campaign, as illustrated at http://www.mywikibiz.com/Top_10_Reasons_Not_to_Donate_to_Wikipedia against Wikipedia. Fred Bauder ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Free culture?
This isn't why Peter was moderated, is it? Frank The folks who control the list: foundation-l list run by adhair at gmail.com, wiki.ral315 at gmail.com, alexandrdmitriromanov at gmail.com didn't say much. Kohs has a big anti campaign in progress, but all I can find about Peter Damain is bad talk, which is exaggerated and in my opinion unfair. Fred On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.netwrote: Peter Damian, it turns out has a blog, Beyond Necessity and has commented on our banning and moderating activities: http://ocham.blogspot.com/2010/10/free-culture.html Surely he exaggerates, and mere negative comments would not cause his posts to be withheld. I don't think we gain anything by providing a platform for Kohs campaign, as illustrated at http://www.mywikibiz.com/Top_10_Reasons_Not_to_Donate_to_Wikipedia against Wikipedia. Fred Bauder ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Free culture?
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org wrote: I don't think we're in danger of outlawing sharp criticism on Foundation-l. If I had to give a guesstimate of the content breakdown of Foundation-l traffic, it would look something like: 10% news/events/media coverage 10% pointless digressions 10% snarky comments 10% trolling Only 10% for trolling and pointless digressions? Sir, you give this list far too much credit. -Chad ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Free culture?
I don't think we gain anything by providing a platform for Kohs campaign, as illustrated at http://www.mywikibiz.com/Top_10_Reasons_Not_to_Donate_to_Wikipedia against Wikipedia. Wow, this is very well written and interesting! please share more such information. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Free culture?
On 19 Oct 2010, at 18:44, Mike Dupont wrote: I don't think we gain anything by providing a platform for Kohs campaign, as illustrated at http://www.mywikibiz.com/Top_10_Reasons_Not_to_Donate_to_Wikipedia against Wikipedia. Wow, this is very well written and interesting! please share more such information. /sarcasm, I hope, given the sheer number of inaccuracies and misportrayals in that document? Mike P.S. +1 for more explanation on why Peter was put on moderation... ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Free culture?
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 7:51 PM, Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net wrote: On 19 Oct 2010, at 18:44, Mike Dupont wrote: I don't think we gain anything by providing a platform for Kohs campaign, as illustrated at http://www.mywikibiz.com/Top_10_Reasons_Not_to_Donate_to_Wikipedia against Wikipedia. Wow, this is very well written and interesting! please share more such information. /sarcasm, I hope, given the sheer number of inaccuracies and misportrayals in that document? serious This page about wikipedias faults points to some concrete places to help improve the quality of wikiepedia. of course you have to take it all with a grain of salt, I am just reviewing the wikia links right now. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:LinkSearchlimit=5000offset=2target=http%3A%2F%2F*.wikia.com For example, who added a link to wiki http://water.wikia.com/wiki/Oil_sands is linked from How to Boil a Frog ? It is a link that is not obvious as how to value is added to wikipedia. * David Dodge, Dan Woynillowicz Chris Severson-Baker [http://water.wikia.com/wiki/Oil_sands], That page on wikia has some reference to an article from Woynillowicz but does not justify the link, doe it? mike ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Free culture?
On 19 Oct 2010, at 19:06, Mike Dupont wrote: On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 7:51 PM, Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net wrote: On 19 Oct 2010, at 18:44, Mike Dupont wrote: I don't think we gain anything by providing a platform for Kohs campaign, as illustrated at http://www.mywikibiz.com/Top_10_Reasons_Not_to_Donate_to_Wikipedia against Wikipedia. Wow, this is very well written and interesting! please share more such information. /sarcasm, I hope, given the sheer number of inaccuracies and misportrayals in that document? serious This page about wikipedias faults points to some concrete places to help improve the quality of wikiepedia. of course you have to take it all with a grain of salt, I am just reviewing the wikia links right now. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:LinkSearchlimit=5000offset=2target=http%3A%2F%2F*.wikia.com For example, who added a link to wiki http://water.wikia.com/wiki/Oil_sands is linked from How to Boil a Frog ? It is a link that is not obvious as how to value is added to wikipedia. * David Dodge, Dan Woynillowicz Chris Severson-Baker [http://water.wikia.com/wiki/Oil_sands], That page on wikia has some reference to an article from Woynillowicz but does not justify the link, doe it? Those sound like typical problems with external links on Wikipedia, not anything specific to Wikia. It's a shame that there isn't an easy way to only see the links in the article namespace, though, as that might make this list of links somewhat more useful (and a lot smaller)... Mike Peel ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Free culture?
That page is so full of misinformation, it hardly warrants commentary, but just to point out some more annoying examples: The part about how Your non-profit donation will ultimately line the for-profit pockets of Jimmy Wales, Amazon, Google is absurd and very misleading. Sure, Wikipedia external links financially benefit those companies, and The New York Times, and every other website on the internet. The money comes from advertising companies though, not WMF donations. Implying otherwise is disingenuous. Plus, external links are a content issue and not the responsibility of the Foundation. And that's just one of many sections erroneously blaming the WMF for content issues. For example, A WikiProject of topic lists has existed since November 2007, but it is still half unfinished and the 100 articles about the hundred United States Senators have been shown to render erroneous, if not libelous, information. Obviously, the Foundation is not responsible for these issues. In some parts, the page is simultaneously arguing two sides of an issue. For example, it complains that the Foundation refused to censor the Virgin Killers album cover image and pollutes the minds of children, but then also criticizes the Foundation for doing the controversial content study. Which way does he want it? It also complains about the Foundation not addressing content problems but then says that the Foundation is risking it's Section 230 protection by being too involved in content issues. Again, which way does he want it? Other parts are just flat out false or outdated. For example, We are still waiting for Flagged Revisions or Wikipedia and all its sister projects could probably operate on a budget of $1.6 million including salaries for several IT developers. (The current hosting cost is $2 million, not including salaries.) Anyway, this probably constitutes feeding the trolls, so -1 for me. Ryan Kaldari On 10/19/10 11:06 AM, Mike Dupont wrote: On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 7:51 PM, Michael Peelem...@mikepeel.net wrote: On 19 Oct 2010, at 18:44, Mike Dupont wrote: I don't think we gain anything by providing a platform for Kohs campaign, as illustrated at http://www.mywikibiz.com/Top_10_Reasons_Not_to_Donate_to_Wikipedia against Wikipedia. Wow, this is very well written and interesting! please share more such information. /sarcasm, I hope, given the sheer number of inaccuracies and misportrayals in that document? serious This page about wikipedias faults points to some concrete places to help improve the quality of wikiepedia. of course you have to take it all with a grain of salt, I am just reviewing the wikia links right now. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:LinkSearchlimit=5000offset=2target=http%3A%2F%2F*.wikia.com For example, who added a link to wiki http://water.wikia.com/wiki/Oil_sands is linked from How to Boil a Frog ? It is a link that is not obvious as how to value is added to wikipedia. * David Dodge, Dan Woynillowicz Chris Severson-Baker [http://water.wikia.com/wiki/Oil_sands], That page on wikia has some reference to an article from Woynillowicz but does not justify the link, doe it? mike ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Free culture?
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org wrote: And that's just one of many sections erroneously blaming the WMF for content issues. For example, A WikiProject of topic lists has existed since November 2007, but it is still half unfinished and the 100 articles about the hundred United States Senators have been shown to render erroneous, if not libelous, information. Obviously, the Foundation is not responsible for these issues. Just to point out...saying it's a content issue, not a Foundation issue means absolutely *nothing* to the vast majority of people out there. -Chad ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Free culture?
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org wrote: And that's just one of many sections erroneously blaming the WMF for content issues. For example, A WikiProject of topic lists has existed since November 2007, but it is still half unfinished and the 100 articles about the hundred United States Senators have been shown to render erroneous, if not libelous, information. Obviously, the Foundation is not responsible for these issues. Just to point out...saying it's a content issue, not a Foundation issue means absolutely *nothing* to the vast majority of people out there. -Chad Yes, definitely Inside Baseball: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inside_baseball_%28metaphor%29 Common sense tells anyone that an organization that publishes an encyclopedia is responsible for the accuracy, completeness, and appropriateness of its content. A disclaimer, however legally adequate, that few are likely to read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:General_disclaimer has little purchase. Fred ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Free culture?
Peter Damian, it turns out has a blog, Beyond Necessity and has commented on our banning and moderating activities: http://ocham.blogspot.com/2010/10/free-culture.html Surely he exaggerates, and mere negative comments would not cause his posts to be withheld. I don't think we gain anything by providing a platform for Kohs campaign, as illustrated at http://www.mywikibiz.com/Top_10_Reasons_Not_to_Donate_to_Wikipedia against Wikipedia. Fred Bauder ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Free culture?
Funny how Peter's blog complaining about moderation is itself moderated by Peter. Ryan Kaldari On 10/18/10 9:37 AM, Fred Bauder wrote: Peter Damian, it turns out has a blog, Beyond Necessity and has commented on our banning and moderating activities: http://ocham.blogspot.com/2010/10/free-culture.html Surely he exaggerates, and mere negative comments would not cause his posts to be withheld. I don't think we gain anything by providing a platform for Kohs campaign, as illustrated at http://www.mywikibiz.com/Top_10_Reasons_Not_to_Donate_to_Wikipedia against Wikipedia. Fred Bauder ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Free culture?
Funny how Peter's blog complaining about moderation is itself moderated by Peter. Ryan Kaldari That is not significant. The kind of stuff random vandals post has to be moderated. The question is whether sharp criticism is approved for posting. Fred ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Free culture?
I don't think we're in danger of outlawing sharp criticism on Foundation-l. If I had to give a guesstimate of the content breakdown of Foundation-l traffic, it would look something like: 10% news/events/media coverage 10% pointless digressions 10% snarky comments 10% trolling 10% uncritical discussion of WMF 50% sharp criticism Ryan Kaldari On 10/18/10 11:56 AM, Fred Bauder wrote: Funny how Peter's blog complaining about moderation is itself moderated by Peter. Ryan Kaldari That is not significant. The kind of stuff random vandals post has to be moderated. The question is whether sharp criticism is approved for posting. Fred ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Free culture forum- Starting Oct 29: Join online!!!!
ENGLISH - CATALÀ - CASTELLANO First International Forum on free culture and knowledge accessibility (Barcelona October 29 to November 1 2009): Join online!! ENGLISH http://www.fcforum.nethttp://service.gmx.net/de/cgi/derefer?TYPE=3DEST=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fcforum.net The International Forum on free culture and knowledge will take place from October 29 to November 1st 2009 in Barcelona. This event is a unique opportunity to bring together under the same roof the main organizations and active voices in the world of free culture and free knowledge; a meeting point to sit down and work together setting common agendas and strategies, and also to reflect, from a critical point of view, on the different views, dangers and contradictions of free culture. At the same time, the forum is an opportunity to give more visibility to alternative conceptions of knowledge, culture and creativity, different from the ones that the entertainment industry and universities insist on imposing. Why Barcelona In January 2010, Spain will take up the Presidency of the European Union. The Spanish Government has already announced that one of its flagships will be the reinforcement of the control over the Internet and the criminalization of the sharing culture in the digital environment. The consequences of those decisions will be noticed in the rest of the world. Furthermore, within this context Barcelona is closing agreements about access to culture that will serve as models to other institutions in Catalonia and Spain. In October 29 this year Barcelona will hold the Second Edition of the Oxcars Festival, an international event to honor the defense of culture and to show the existence of other creation channels, at least as good as the traditional ones. The last edition was a success with more than 2000 participants. It brought the attention both of an interested public and of media. You can find more information about last year's edition at http://exgae.net/exgae-multiply-and-share-forth/theoxcarshttp://service.gmx.net/de/cgi/derefer?TYPE=3DEST=http%3A%2F%2Fexgae.net%2Fexgae-multiply-and-share-forth%2Ftheoxcars There are many active organizations, movements and persons related to free culture from different perspectives in Spain, offering a very rich sharing space and a source of new proposals from where an international process can bel aunched. In this regard, several worldwide voices, like during the last World Social Forum (Belem do Para, Brazil, 2009) recognize the necessity of creating international spaces for networking, coordination and building of a global framework for free culture and knowledge, analyze similarities and develop common agendas. The Free Culture Forum of Barcelona aims to create such a space. What The main objectives of the Forum are, on the one hand, building networks to optimize the efforts of the different groups and setting common demands against the proposals from industry and governments in their eagerness to control culture and information; and on the other hand reinforcing the self-organization of tools and infrastructures to support free culture. How The Forum will take place in 3 days that combine different methodologies: October 29: Celebration of the Oxcars Free Culture Awards Festival. October 30: Presentation of key experiences from around the globe and discussion on the key issues. October 31: Working groups around the key issues of the Forum November 1st: Bring together the results from the working groups. Define a common agenda and approve a manifesto for each topic. Key issues The working program is on: * Education and Acces to Knowledge * Organizational Logic and Political Implications of Free Culture * Free Software and Open Standards: Knowledge Sharing Hacker Philosophy and Action Technical Ware * Economies, New P2p Models and Sustainable Distribution * Legal Perspectives and User Access HOW TO JOIN THE FREE CULTURE FORUM ONLINE DURING THE FCFORUM: The Fcforum will take place from Oct 29th to Nov 1 2009 (Barcelona time zone). You can check out the program at http://fcforum.net/programahttp://service.gmx.net/de/cgi/derefer?TYPE=3DEST=http%3A%2F%2Ffcforum.net%2FprogramaFrom the http// www.fcforum.nethttp://service.gmx.net/de/cgi/derefer?TYPE=3DEST=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fcforum.netyou have access to the several ways to join online and in live the Fcforum listed below. Live streaming: The oXcars Awards Festival (Oct 29 from 21pm) at http://oxcars09.exgae.net/live/http://service.gmx.net/de/cgi/derefer?TYPE=3DEST=http%3A%2F%2Foxcars09.exgae.net%2Flive%2F The Fcforum (Oct 30 to Nov 1) will be live streamed at http://fcforum.net/livehttp://service.gmx.net/de/cgi/derefer?TYPE=3DEST=http%3A%2F%2Ffcforum.net%2Flive The main conclusions and ideas will be transmitted though distributed microblogging services, too. The messages will be transmitted in English, Catalan and Spanish. Identi.ca':
[Foundation-l] Free Culture vs Fear Culture vs Fee Culture
Why one small project changed from CC-by-nc-sa to CC-by-sa: http://zak.greant.com/free-culture-vs-fear-culture-vs-fee-culture - d. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
