[Foundation-l] Sex-related content improvement
Hello! It is clear that much of sex-related multimedia stored in our project is of a very low quality, not meeting our requirements and needs. Often, it doesn't provide what we are looking for - high quality information. I propose to start a project which would encourage, by a form of contest and rewards, high quality (that means technical quality, usefulness for education, aesthetic value etc...) multimedia which could be used in our projects. Such multimedia can easily replace current low quality content. Once we will have multimedia excellently covering something particular, we can easily reject anything else trying to cover the same. And nobody could blame us for hosting bad images anymore. I understand that some people can say we don't support porn now. But this won't be porn but information! Our projects must cover also sex-related matters. We have to look for high quality multimedia for this area of knowledge as well as for others. There are projects supporting taking photographs of municipalities etc... Why not to use similar ways for improving this? I don't propose intentionally how such a project should decide what exactly the multimedia in the contest should depict nor how exactly the contest should be arranged. I feel this should be defined by a broader community. I only propose to use a new internet domain for this purpose in order to keep not yet chosen materials out of our projects until they are awarded. Don't forget that sex-related articles are the most viewed ones in Wikipedia. We need the high quality content in this field too, not to wait until somebody uploads something which could be useful. Also a license and personal rights are quite often an issue for sex-related multimedia. All this can be solved and we could obtain the best sex-related multimedia among all encyclopedias. Best regards, Jiri On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 8:59 PM, David Goodman dgoodma...@gmail.com wrote: snip As for the link, showing these in greatly enlarged versions, without the context of the articles in which they are used, is setting up a strong bias. We've never engaged in that use of the material, nor would we. If people want to take our material out of our encyclopedic content and turn it into sexually-focused presentations, that is their look-out. What if they aren't used in an encyclopedic context? PM says he highlighted 17 images [1]. Assuming Commons Global File Links is accurate then these images appear on 27 content pages in Wikipedias and Wikibooks (not counting User and Talk pages, etc.). However, two of the images account for 16 of the uses, and 10 of the 17 images are not used on any project at all. This is of course a largely anecdotal sample (and there is no reason to assume that PM's set is random), but my personal impression has been similar. It seems to like we have seen a rise in unused sexual imagery being stored at Commons. I'll happily defend the usefulness of sexual imagery in many of the places where it is used, but there are downsides to allowing such collections grow far beyond the applications we have for them. -Robert Rohde [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Privatemusings/ImagesUsedInVideoPresentation ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- * . . . ... . M45 .. M1. #. * . . Jiri Hofman ..Opiskelijankatu 38 B28 .*Tampere . ** 33720 ¤. . Finland **. * . .. . * * . . . *. . . *. * * .* gsm: +358504661860.. +358504384197*. http://www.aldebaran.cz/~hofmanj . * signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Sex-related content improvement
I think this is a great idea actually. Probably a good place to start would be the WikiProject: Sex page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Sexology_and_sexuality Commons would probably be (or should be) interested as well. Cheers DM On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Jiří Hofman hofm...@aldebaran.cz wrote: Hello! It is clear that much of sex-related multimedia stored in our project is of a very low quality, not meeting our requirements and needs. Often, it doesn't provide what we are looking for - high quality information. I propose to start a project which would encourage, by a form of contest and rewards, high quality (that means technical quality, usefulness for education, aesthetic value etc...) multimedia which could be used in our projects. Such multimedia can easily replace current low quality content. Once we will have multimedia excellently covering something particular, we can easily reject anything else trying to cover the same. And nobody could blame us for hosting bad images anymore. I understand that some people can say we don't support porn now. But this won't be porn but information! Our projects must cover also sex-related matters. We have to look for high quality multimedia for this area of knowledge as well as for others. There are projects supporting taking photographs of municipalities etc... Why not to use similar ways for improving this? I don't propose intentionally how such a project should decide what exactly the multimedia in the contest should depict nor how exactly the contest should be arranged. I feel this should be defined by a broader community. I only propose to use a new internet domain for this purpose in order to keep not yet chosen materials out of our projects until they are awarded. Don't forget that sex-related articles are the most viewed ones in Wikipedia. We need the high quality content in this field too, not to wait until somebody uploads something which could be useful. Also a license and personal rights are quite often an issue for sex-related multimedia. All this can be solved and we could obtain the best sex-related multimedia among all encyclopedias. Best regards, Jiri On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 8:59 PM, David Goodman dgoodma...@gmail.com wrote: snip As for the link, showing these in greatly enlarged versions, without the context of the articles in which they are used, is setting up a strong bias. We've never engaged in that use of the material, nor would we. If people want to take our material out of our encyclopedic content and turn it into sexually-focused presentations, that is their look-out. What if they aren't used in an encyclopedic context? PM says he highlighted 17 images [1]. Assuming Commons Global File Links is accurate then these images appear on 27 content pages in Wikipedias and Wikibooks (not counting User and Talk pages, etc.). However, two of the images account for 16 of the uses, and 10 of the 17 images are not used on any project at all. This is of course a largely anecdotal sample (and there is no reason to assume that PM's set is random), but my personal impression has been similar. It seems to like we have seen a rise in unused sexual imagery being stored at Commons. I'll happily defend the usefulness of sexual imagery in many of the places where it is used, but there are downsides to allowing such collections grow far beyond the applications we have for them. -Robert Rohde [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Privatemusings/ImagesUsedInVideoPresentation ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- * . . . ... . M45 .. M1. #. * . . Jiri Hofman ..Opiskelijankatu 38 B28 .*Tampere . ** 33720 ¤. . Finland **. * . .. . * * . . . *. . . *. * * .* gsm: +358504661860.. +358504384197*. http://www.aldebaran.cz/~hofmanj http://www.aldebaran.cz/%7Ehofmanj . * ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___
Re: [Foundation-l] Sex-related content improvement
2010/1/14 Jiří Hofman hofm...@aldebaran.cz: It is clear that much of sex-related multimedia stored in our project is of a very low quality, not meeting our requirements and needs. Often, it doesn't provide what we are looking for - high quality information. That isn't clear to me. Could you elaborate? ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Sex-related content improvement
2010/1/14 Jiří Hofman hofm...@aldebaran.cz: It is clear that much of sex-related multimedia stored in our project is of a very low quality, not meeting our requirements and needs. Often, it doesn't provide what we are looking for - high quality information. That isn't clear to me. Could you elaborate? Originally, I was pretty angry with a mail by David Goodman. The video, he linked to, is a disgusting manipulation. I went through images listed as sources for the video. And I had to admit that at least some of those should not be a part of our projects. Not because they are depicting sex-related things and activities but because they are of quality which is would be unacceptable in many other fields. Just go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_intercourse . You will see there is no really high quality image of human sexual intercourse. Strange for an encyclopedy which wants to be the best in the world. Or go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sex_positions , one of the most viewed pages of English Wikipedia. Do you think the images there are of excellent quality? I don't. Jiri signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Sex-related content improvement
Or go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sex_positions , one of the most viewed pages of English Wikipedia. Do you think the images there are of excellent quality? I don't. I think they have a certain innocent charm. They look like pictures drawn by an illiterate who needed a hobby whilst on remand. And why not? People *should* have a hobby. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Sex-related content improvement
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Bod Notbod bodnot...@gmail.com wrote: Or go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sex_positions , one of the most viewed pages of English Wikipedia. Do you think the images there are of excellent quality? I don't. I think they have a certain innocent charm. They look like pictures drawn by an illiterate who needed a hobby whilst on remand. And why not? People *should* have a hobby. IIRC those images were drawn for that article by a Wikipedian. They are accurate depictions of the acts in question and under a free license. I don't understand how a perfectly composed, high resolution photo would add relevant information to the diagrams. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Sex-related content improvement
2010/1/14 Jiří Hofman hofm...@aldebaran.cz: Just go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_intercourse . You will see there is no really high quality image of human sexual intercourse. File:Housefly mating.jpg is a featured image. -- geni ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
