[Foundation-l] Update on struck votes issue on SecurePoll

2009-08-10 Thread Philippe Beaudette
Earlier today a number of adjustments were made to votes which had  
been previously struck in the election for Wikimedia Board of  
Trustees.  We believe the votes that are still struck are validly  
struck; if there is a dispute, any user is encouraged to contact the  
Election Committee (board-electi...@lists.wikimedia.org) or any member  
personally for clarification.

The current list of votes can be found at 
https://wikimedia.spi-inc.org/index.php/Special:SecurePoll/list/17

For the committee,
Philippe

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Re: [Foundation-l] Update on struck votes issue on SecurePoll

2009-08-10 Thread Milos Rancic
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 9:34 AM, Philippe
Beaudettepbeaude...@wikimedia.org wrote:
 Earlier today a number of adjustments were made to votes which had
 been previously struck in the election for Wikimedia Board of
 Trustees.  We believe the votes that are still struck are validly
 struck; if there is a dispute, any user is encouraged to contact the
 Election Committee (board-electi...@lists.wikimedia.org) or any member
 personally for clarification.

 The current list of votes can be found at 
 https://wikimedia.spi-inc.org/index.php/Special:SecurePoll/list/17

Probably, I missed that fact, but how many Wikimedians eligible to
vote did we have for elections this time? And is there some data about
those numbers from last elections? I found just numbers of voters [1].

[1] - http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board_elections_history

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Re: [Foundation-l] Update on struck votes issue on SecurePoll

2009-08-10 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi,
First order of business is learning the results and making sure that the
people most involved know. I can tell you that I am anxious to learn the
result. When it transpires that I have been elected, I would like a moment
to collect my thoughts.

Statistics are relevant and I am sure that what meaning can be gleaned from
them will be.
Thanks,
  GerardM


2009/8/10 Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com

 On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 9:34 AM, Philippe
 Beaudettepbeaude...@wikimedia.org wrote:
  Earlier today a number of adjustments were made to votes which had
  been previously struck in the election for Wikimedia Board of
  Trustees.  We believe the votes that are still struck are validly
  struck; if there is a dispute, any user is encouraged to contact the
  Election Committee (board-electi...@lists.wikimedia.org) or any member
  personally for clarification.
 
  The current list of votes can be found at
 https://wikimedia.spi-inc.org/index.php/Special:SecurePoll/list/17

 Probably, I missed that fact, but how many Wikimedians eligible to
 vote did we have for elections this time? And is there some data about
 those numbers from last elections? I found just numbers of voters [1].

 [1] - http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board_elections_history

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Re: [Foundation-l] Update on struck votes issue on SecurePoll

2009-08-10 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 3:34 AM, Philippe
Beaudettepbeaude...@wikimedia.org wrote:
 Earlier today a number of adjustments were made to votes which had
 been previously struck in the election for Wikimedia Board of
 Trustees.  We believe the votes that are still struck are validly
 struck; if there is a dispute, any user is encouraged to contact the
 Election Committee (board-electi...@lists.wikimedia.org) or any member
 personally for clarification.

Is there any reason why some, but not all, super-seeded votes have
also been struck?

There are a number of cases, but picking one I know personally,

strikeDetails 15:49, 28 July 2009 Ragesoss
en.wikipedia.org/strike
Details 14:06, 9 August 2009Ragesossen.wikipedia.org

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Re: [Foundation-l] Update on struck votes issue on SecurePoll

2009-08-10 Thread Rjd0060
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 3:34 AM, Philippe
 Beaudettepbeaude...@wikimedia.org wrote:
  Earlier today a number of adjustments were made to votes which had
  been previously struck in the election for Wikimedia Board of
  Trustees.  We believe the votes that are still struck are validly
  struck; if there is a dispute, any user is encouraged to contact the
  Election Committee (board-electi...@lists.wikimedia.org) or any member
  personally for clarification.

 Is there any reason why some, but not all, super-seeded votes have
 also been struck?

 There are a number of cases, but picking one I know personally,

 strikeDetails 15:49, 28 July 2009 Ragesossen.wikipedia.org
 /strike
 Details 14:06, 9 August 2009Ragesossen.wikipedia.org



Yeah, I noticed this quite a bit also.  If a voter voted more that once, it
seems like all but their last vote is greyed out usually - only sometimes
are first votes struck.  Not sure if second/third/etc. votes need to be
struck just because the user voted again or not, based on that.

-- 
Ryan
User:Rjd0060
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Re: [Foundation-l] Update on struck votes issue on SecurePoll

2009-08-10 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi,
When a person wants to change his vote he can. When he is entitled to vote
only once, it is anybodies guess which vote to retain. It seems to me best
to decide on an obvious algorithm. I think that the last expressed vote will
do just fine. It certainly fits the people who change their vote and we can
not decide anything obvious for someone who votes twice.

Some people have sock puppets, would it make sense to register them when
known ?
Thanks,
   GerardM

2009/8/10 Rjd0060 rjd0060.w...@gmail.com

 On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 3:34 AM, Philippe
  Beaudettepbeaude...@wikimedia.org wrote:
   Earlier today a number of adjustments were made to votes which had
   been previously struck in the election for Wikimedia Board of
   Trustees.  We believe the votes that are still struck are validly
   struck; if there is a dispute, any user is encouraged to contact the
   Election Committee (board-electi...@lists.wikimedia.org) or any member
   personally for clarification.
 
  Is there any reason why some, but not all, super-seeded votes have
  also been struck?
 
  There are a number of cases, but picking one I know personally,
 
  strikeDetails 15:49, 28 July 2009 Ragesossen.wikipedia.org
  /strike
  Details 14:06, 9 August 2009Ragesossen.wikipedia.org
 


 Yeah, I noticed this quite a bit also.  If a voter voted more that once, it
 seems like all but their last vote is greyed out usually - only sometimes
 are first votes struck.  Not sure if second/third/etc. votes need to be
 struck just because the user voted again or not, based on that.

 --
 Ryan
 User:Rjd0060
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Re: [Foundation-l] Update on struck votes issue on SecurePoll

2009-08-10 Thread Sage Ross
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Rjd0060rjd0060.w...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 3:34 AM, Philippe
 Beaudettepbeaude...@wikimedia.org wrote:
  Earlier today a number of adjustments were made to votes which had
  been previously struck in the election for Wikimedia Board of
  Trustees.  We believe the votes that are still struck are validly
  struck; if there is a dispute, any user is encouraged to contact the
  Election Committee (board-electi...@lists.wikimedia.org) or any member
  personally for clarification.

 Is there any reason why some, but not all, super-seeded votes have
 also been struck?

 There are a number of cases, but picking one I know personally,

 strikeDetails 15:49, 28 July 2009     Ragesoss        en.wikipedia.org
 /strike
 Details 14:06, 9 August 2009    Ragesoss        en.wikipedia.org



 Yeah, I noticed this quite a bit also.  If a voter voted more that once, it
 seems like all but their last vote is greyed out usually - only sometimes
 are first votes struck.  Not sure if second/third/etc. votes need to be
 struck just because the user voted again or not, based on that.


What happened with my vote, which Phoebe noticed and brought to both
my and the election committee's attention, is that my first vote was
initially struck out without being superseded.  Phoebe and I
speculated that this might have been because I accessed the voting
page again without casting a second vote (and then, yesterday,
accessed it a third time and voted a second time).

-Sage

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Re: [Foundation-l] Update on struck votes issue on SecurePoll

2009-08-10 Thread Casey Brown
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 4:35 AM, Milos Rancicmill...@gmail.com wrote:
 And is there some data about those numbers from last elections?

A page with a large number of stats[1] was linked from the Results[2]
page last year.  I think that's what you want.  Well, actually, it
gives a lot of statistics... but seems to be missing one of the most
important ones: number of eligible voters.

[1]http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board_elections/2008/Votes/en
[2]http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board_elections/2008/Results/en

-- 
Casey Brown
Cbrown1023

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Re: [Foundation-l] Update on struck votes issue on SecurePoll

2009-08-10 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Casey Brownli...@caseybrown.org wrote:
 On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 4:35 AM, Milos Rancicmill...@gmail.com wrote:
 And is there some data about those numbers from last elections?

 A page with a large number of stats[1] was linked from the Results[2]
 page last year.  I think that's what you want.  Well, actually, it
 gives a lot of statistics... but seems to be missing one of the most
 important ones: number of eligible voters.


There exists a pre-calculated list of eligible voters used to
authorize access to the polls.  Is there any reason that this couldn't
be made public as soon as it is generated?

With good eligibility data available spiffy graphs like mine from 2007
can be generated:
http://toolserver.org/~gmaxwell/election_analysis/ivote3/graphs.html

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Re: [Foundation-l] Update on struck votes issue on SecurePoll

2009-08-10 Thread Kwan Ting Chan

Gregory Maxwell wrote:


There exists a pre-calculated list of eligible voters used to
authorize access to the polls.  Is there any reason that this couldn't
be made public as soon as it is generated?


That particular list file contains non-public information, i.e. an 
account email address. Whether a redacted version can be made public, 
*shrug*.


KTC

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