Re: [Foundation-l] Attack pages at Encyc. Dramatica
In other words[1]. 1.http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Nobody_cares On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.comwrote: People on ED are exactly the same as 4chan: they are in it for the lulz.[1] They will probably always write these attack pages/satire/whatever term you prefer. We're mostly pretty odd folk, so it's easy to make fun. But giving them attention of any kind is what they want most, since it gives them an opportunity for more mischief (and thus more lulz). In other words, don't feed. Steven Walling 1. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=lulz -- ~Keegan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Attack pages at Encyc. Dramatica
I think I should clarify, I meant that nobody cares unless you make them care. Otherwise, nobody cares. On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 1:58 AM, Keegan Peterzell keegan.w...@gmail.comwrote: In other words[1]. 1.http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Nobody_cares On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote: People on ED are exactly the same as 4chan: they are in it for the lulz.[1] They will probably always write these attack pages/satire/whatever term you prefer. We're mostly pretty odd folk, so it's easy to make fun. But giving them attention of any kind is what they want most, since it gives them an opportunity for more mischief (and thus more lulz). In other words, don't feed. Steven Walling 1. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=lulz -- ~Keegan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan -- ~Keegan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Attack pages at Encyc. Dramatica
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 17:00, M. Williamson node...@gmail.com wrote: Whatever happened to freedom of speech? Encyclopedia Dramatica is a parody site. Plenty of people have tried to shut them down before, it's unlikely to ever happen (and in my opinion, should never happen). If they have an offensive article about you, trying to get rid of it will probably make it worse. What I do worry is the fact that we are not interesting to them anymore. It looks that they've stopped with adding new content related to Wikipedia two or three years ago. Being uninteresting to satirists means that you are not important anymore. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Attack pages at Encyc. Dramatica
Encyc. Dramatica seems too take pride in creating attack pages regarding Wikipedians. Of course they are exposing themselves to libel suits but looking at some of the rest of their site this seems to be the least of their worries with a great deal of racist content as well as underage pornography. Wondering if we have any measures available to deal with these attacks against Wikipedia? Or have others who have considered this issue feel that attempting anything would 1) be futile 2) just promote the creation / promotion of more such content. -- James Heilman MD, CCFP-EM, B.Sc. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Attack pages at Encyc. Dramatica
Whatever happened to freedom of speech? Encyclopedia Dramatica is a parody site. Plenty of people have tried to shut them down before, it's unlikely to ever happen (and in my opinion, should never happen). If they have an offensive article about you, trying to get rid of it will probably make it worse. 2010/10/22 James Heilman jmh...@gmail.com: Encyc. Dramatica seems too take pride in creating attack pages regarding Wikipedians. Of course they are exposing themselves to libel suits but looking at some of the rest of their site this seems to be the least of their worries with a great deal of racist content as well as underage pornography. Wondering if we have any measures available to deal with these attacks against Wikipedia? Or have others who have considered this issue feel that attempting anything would 1) be futile 2) just promote the creation / promotion of more such content. -- James Heilman MD, CCFP-EM, B.Sc. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Attack pages at Encyc. Dramatica
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 11:00 AM, M. Williamson node...@gmail.com wrote: Whatever happened to freedom of speech? Encyclopedia Dramatica is a parody site. Plenty of people have tried to shut them down before, it's unlikely to ever happen (and in my opinion, should never happen). If they have an offensive article about you, trying to get rid of it will probably make it worse. In almost any jurisdiction, freedom of speech has exceptions that include obscenity, defamation, certain types of hate speech, threats, etc. You can generally find all of those at ED; such speech isn't protected, nor should it be. Nathan ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Attack pages at Encyc. Dramatica
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 4:44 PM, James Heilman jmh...@gmail.com wrote: Encyc. Dramatica seems too take pride in creating attack pages regarding Wikipedians. Of course they are exposing themselves to libel suits but looking at some of the rest of their site this seems to be the least of their worries with a great deal of racist content as well as underage pornography. Wondering if we have any measures available to deal with these attacks against Wikipedia? Or have others who have considered this issue feel that attempting anything would 1) be futile 2) just promote the creation / promotion of more such content. Well, Encyclopedia Dramatica is a special sort of case that seasoned veterans of the Internet recognize, and is probably best described as satire taken to (or even beyond) an extreme (a la 4chan). It may not always be appreciated, but ED editors generally aren't writing with malice, and if they are it's so absurd that nobody really gets hurt over it. Hell, I'm on ED, and I'm not filing a libel suit. If they violate local laws, that's up to those government agencies to enforce, but if Wikimedians were go go on a crusade against them I think you'd wind up with #2. Austin ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Attack pages at Encyc. Dramatica
Whatever happened to freedom of speech? Encyclopedia Dramatica is a parody site. Plenty of people have tried to shut them down before, it's unlikely to ever happen (and in my opinion, should never happen). If they have an offensive article about you, trying to get rid of it will probably make it worse. I don't think anyone has actually tried to shut them down, as anyone who could is familiar with parody. They are not immune to libel suits and there is reason to believe the queen bee lives in the UK. However, that said, it's a waste of time. They may, however, be more responsive to complaints than is generally believed. Fred ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Attack pages at Encyc. Dramatica
People on ED are exactly the same as 4chan: they are in it for the lulz.[1] They will probably always write these attack pages/satire/whatever term you prefer. We're mostly pretty odd folk, so it's easy to make fun. But giving them attention of any kind is what they want most, since it gives them an opportunity for more mischief (and thus more lulz). In other words, don't feed. Steven Walling 1. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=lulz On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 8:23 AM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: Whatever happened to freedom of speech? Encyclopedia Dramatica is a parody site. Plenty of people have tried to shut them down before, it's unlikely to ever happen (and in my opinion, should never happen). If they have an offensive article about you, trying to get rid of it will probably make it worse. I don't think anyone has actually tried to shut them down, as anyone who could is familiar with parody. They are not immune to libel suits and there is reason to believe the queen bee lives in the UK. However, that said, it's a waste of time. They may, however, be more responsive to complaints than is generally believed. Fred ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Attack pages at Encyc. Dramatica
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 4:44 PM, James Heilman jmh...@gmail.com wrote: Encyc. Dramatica seems too take pride in creating attack pages regarding Wikipedians. Of course they are exposing themselves to libel suits but wow, now I have an excuse to finally look at this page! I did not look at the p0nr pages that were posted last time on this list, but this ED might be worth reading. Up till now, only 15 year old hyperactive kids talked about ED, but now it is serious business, it is on the WMFL! thanks, mike ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Attack pages at Encyc. Dramatica
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 9:53 PM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote: People on ED are exactly the same as 4chan: they are in it for the lulz.[1] They will probably always write these attack pages/satire/whatever term you prefer. We're mostly pretty odd folk, so it's easy to make fun. But giving them attention of any kind is what they want most, since it gives them an opportunity for more mischief (and thus more lulz). In other words, don't feed. Unless they are exposing sensitive and private information (facts) about you or someone you know. Anirudh Bhati 00 91 9328712208 Skype: anirudhsbh ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Attack pages at Encyc. Dramatica
Like Steven said ED is in it for the lulz. So please don't feed the trolls (I know a few editors from en:wp that are on ED). In terms of legal standing, US has much less plaintiff-friendly Defamation laws than most European Countries, and most differ widely from state to state. I don't think you would have an easy case in any jurisdiction. Think of it along the lines Celebrity blogs, Probably congratulate those who have their own page on ED. LULZ abound. Regards Theo On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 12:41 AM, Anirudh Bhati anirudh...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 9:53 PM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote: People on ED are exactly the same as 4chan: they are in it for the lulz.[1] They will probably always write these attack pages/satire/whatever term you prefer. We're mostly pretty odd folk, so it's easy to make fun. But giving them attention of any kind is what they want most, since it gives them an opportunity for more mischief (and thus more lulz). In other words, don't feed. Unless they are exposing sensitive and private information (facts) about you or someone you know. Anirudh Bhati 00 91 9328712208 Skype: anirudhsbh ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
