Re: [Foundation-l] Attribution on small interactive devices and systems
Seems like a very useful service. Would the Foundation be interesting in taking ownership of this URL? If so, would Blad be willing to give/sell it to them? If so, could it be incorporated into a sidebar link similar to permanent link? - John at Darkstar vac...@jeb.no wrote: From: John at Darkstar vac...@jeb.no To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Friday, 17 July, 2009 20:38:09 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, Portugal Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Attribution on small interactive devices and systems This is a wikipedian from Norway. John Erling Blad Wikimedia Norway Chad wrote: On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Philippe Beaudettepbeaude...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Jul 17, 2009, at 8:25 AM, Chad wrote: Does anyone know the guy who owns enwp.org? That being said, enwp.org/?oldid=1234 does work :) -Chad (Asked whois.pir.org:43 about enwp.org) Domain ID: D148943548-LROR Domain Name: ENWP.ORG Created On: 23-Aug-2007 14: 33: 18 UTC Last Updated On: 21-Sep-2008 00: 28: 40 UTC Expiration Date: 23-Aug-2009 14: 33: 18 UTC Sponsoring Registrar: ASCIO Technologies Inc. - Denmark (R76-LROR) Status: OK Registrant ID: AT9622172-051 Registrant Name: Thomas Kjoerberg Registrant Street1: Groennevollen 14 Registrant Street2: Registrant Street3: Registrant City: Bergen Registrant State/Province: -- Registrant Postal Code: 5016 Registrant Country: NO Registrant Phone: 47.99298989 Registrant Phone Ext.: Registrant FAX: Registrant FAX Ext.: Registrant Email: tl-lo...@hotmail.com Admin ID: AT4607819-051 Admin Name: Hostmaster Funktionen Admin Organization: One.com A/S Admin Street1: Kalvebod Brygge 45 Admin Street2: Admin Street3: Admin City: Copenhagen V Admin State/Province: Admin Postal Code: 1560 Admin Country: DK Admin Phone: 45.46907100 Admin Phone Ext.: Admin FAX: 45.70205872 Admin FAX Ext.: Admin Email: hostmas...@b-one.nu Tech ID: AT9622194-051 Tech Name: Hostmaster Funktionen Tech Organization: One.com A/S Tech Street1: Kalvebod Brygge 45 Tech Street2: Tech Street3: Tech City: Copenhagen V Tech State/Province: Tech Postal Code: 1560 Tech Country: DK Tech Phone: 45.46907100 Tech Phone Ext.: Tech FAX: 45.70205872 Tech FAX Ext.: Tech Email: hostmas...@b-one.nu Name Server: NS1.B-ONE.NU Name Server: NS2.B-ONE.NU Name Server: NS3.B-ONE.NU Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Philippe Beaudette Facilitator, Strategic Plan Wikimedia Foundation pbeaude...@wikimedia.org Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l I did the whois too, but I don't know him. I was asking if (in general) we know the guy who runs it :) -Chad ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Attribution on small interactive devices and systems
Sorry I misunderstood! Great to hear WM-NO is following up. - John at Darkstar vac...@jeb.no wrote: From: John at Darkstar vac...@jeb.no To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Sunday, 19 July, 2009 00:26:28 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, Portugal Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Attribution on small interactive devices and systems The domain is not mine, nor does it belong to Wikimedia Norway, it is another wikipedian from Norway who owns the domain. Wikimedia Norway has been in contact with him about the domain and the future use of the service, and another wikipedian has also made inquiries. John Erling Blad Wikimedia Norway Andrew Turvey wrote: Seems like a very useful service. Would the Foundation be interesting in taking ownership of this URL? If so, would Blad be willing to give/sell it to them? If so, could it be incorporated into a sidebar link similar to permanent link? - John at Darkstar vac...@jeb.no wrote: From: John at Darkstar vac...@jeb.no To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Friday, 17 July, 2009 20:38:09 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, Portugal Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Attribution on small interactive devices and systems This is a wikipedian from Norway. John Erling Blad Wikimedia Norway Chad wrote: On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Philippe Beaudettepbeaude...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Jul 17, 2009, at 8:25 AM, Chad wrote: Does anyone know the guy who owns enwp.org? That being said, enwp.org/?oldid=1234 does work :) -Chad (Asked whois.pir.org:43 about enwp.org) Domain ID: D148943548-LROR Domain Name: ENWP.ORG Created On: 23-Aug-2007 14: 33: 18 UTC Last Updated On: 21-Sep-2008 00: 28: 40 UTC Expiration Date: 23-Aug-2009 14: 33: 18 UTC Sponsoring Registrar: ASCIO Technologies Inc. - Denmark (R76-LROR) Status: OK Registrant ID: AT9622172-051 Registrant Name: Thomas Kjoerberg Registrant Street1: Groennevollen 14 Registrant Street2: Registrant Street3: Registrant City: Bergen Registrant State/Province: -- Registrant Postal Code: 5016 Registrant Country: NO Registrant Phone: 47.99298989 Registrant Phone Ext.: Registrant FAX: Registrant FAX Ext.: Registrant Email: tl-lo...@hotmail.com Admin ID: AT4607819-051 Admin Name: Hostmaster Funktionen Admin Organization: One.com A/S Admin Street1: Kalvebod Brygge 45 Admin Street2: Admin Street3: Admin City: Copenhagen V Admin State/Province: Admin Postal Code: 1560 Admin Country: DK Admin Phone: 45.46907100 Admin Phone Ext.: Admin FAX: 45.70205872 Admin FAX Ext.: Admin Email: hostmas...@b-one.nu Tech ID: AT9622194-051 Tech Name: Hostmaster Funktionen Tech Organization: One.com A/S Tech Street1: Kalvebod Brygge 45 Tech Street2: Tech Street3: Tech City: Copenhagen V Tech State/Province: Tech Postal Code: 1560 Tech Country: DK Tech Phone: 45.46907100 Tech Phone Ext.: Tech FAX: 45.70205872 Tech FAX Ext.: Tech Email: hostmas...@b-one.nu Name Server: NS1.B-ONE.NU Name Server: NS2.B-ONE.NU Name Server: NS3.B-ONE.NU Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Philippe Beaudette Facilitator, Strategic Plan Wikimedia Foundation pbeaude...@wikimedia.org Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l I did the whois too, but I don't know him. I was asking if (in general) we know the guy who runs it :) -Chad ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https
Re: [Foundation-l] Attribution on small interactive devices and systems
The domain is not mine, nor does it belong to Wikimedia Norway, it is another wikipedian from Norway who owns the domain. Wikimedia Norway has been in contact with him about the domain and the future use of the service, and another wikipedian has also made inquiries. John Erling Blad Wikimedia Norway Andrew Turvey wrote: Seems like a very useful service. Would the Foundation be interesting in taking ownership of this URL? If so, would Blad be willing to give/sell it to them? If so, could it be incorporated into a sidebar link similar to permanent link? - John at Darkstar vac...@jeb.no wrote: From: John at Darkstar vac...@jeb.no To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Friday, 17 July, 2009 20:38:09 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, Portugal Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Attribution on small interactive devices and systems This is a wikipedian from Norway. John Erling Blad Wikimedia Norway Chad wrote: On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Philippe Beaudettepbeaude...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Jul 17, 2009, at 8:25 AM, Chad wrote: Does anyone know the guy who owns enwp.org? That being said, enwp.org/?oldid=1234 does work :) -Chad (Asked whois.pir.org:43 about enwp.org) Domain ID: D148943548-LROR Domain Name: ENWP.ORG Created On: 23-Aug-2007 14: 33: 18 UTC Last Updated On: 21-Sep-2008 00: 28: 40 UTC Expiration Date: 23-Aug-2009 14: 33: 18 UTC Sponsoring Registrar: ASCIO Technologies Inc. - Denmark (R76-LROR) Status: OK Registrant ID: AT9622172-051 Registrant Name: Thomas Kjoerberg Registrant Street1: Groennevollen 14 Registrant Street2: Registrant Street3: Registrant City: Bergen Registrant State/Province: -- Registrant Postal Code: 5016 Registrant Country: NO Registrant Phone: 47.99298989 Registrant Phone Ext.: Registrant FAX: Registrant FAX Ext.: Registrant Email: tl-lo...@hotmail.com Admin ID: AT4607819-051 Admin Name: Hostmaster Funktionen Admin Organization: One.com A/S Admin Street1: Kalvebod Brygge 45 Admin Street2: Admin Street3: Admin City: Copenhagen V Admin State/Province: Admin Postal Code: 1560 Admin Country: DK Admin Phone: 45.46907100 Admin Phone Ext.: Admin FAX: 45.70205872 Admin FAX Ext.: Admin Email: hostmas...@b-one.nu Tech ID: AT9622194-051 Tech Name: Hostmaster Funktionen Tech Organization: One.com A/S Tech Street1: Kalvebod Brygge 45 Tech Street2: Tech Street3: Tech City: Copenhagen V Tech State/Province: Tech Postal Code: 1560 Tech Country: DK Tech Phone: 45.46907100 Tech Phone Ext.: Tech FAX: 45.70205872 Tech FAX Ext.: Tech Email: hostmas...@b-one.nu Name Server: NS1.B-ONE.NU Name Server: NS2.B-ONE.NU Name Server: NS3.B-ONE.NU Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Philippe Beaudette Facilitator, Strategic Plan Wikimedia Foundation pbeaude...@wikimedia.org Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l I did the whois too, but I don't know him. I was asking if (in general) we know the guy who runs it :) -Chad ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Attribution on small interactive devices and systems
Peter Gervai schrieb: On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 01:32, John at Darkstarvac...@jeb.no wrote: Minimum attribution of «Terms of Use» from Wikimdia Foundations site would be http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/; That is 96 chars, with spaces, of 140 bytes available in a SMS. For some languages the attribution will take more than one message. Ooops... Tinyurl and like? It's, well, tiny. Shouldn't we set up our own URL-aliasing service? This would also have the advantage that you could be sure that the wikimedia shortened urls only lead to wikimedia domains. eg.: http://wp.cx/3tT5u7Z redirects to http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=302589573 http://wp.cx/c redirects to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_3.0_Unported_License Harald signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Attribution on small interactive devices and systems
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Harald Krichelharald.kric...@googlemail.com wrote: Peter Gervai schrieb: On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 01:32, John at Darkstarvac...@jeb.no wrote: Minimum attribution of «Terms of Use» from Wikimdia Foundations site would be http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/; That is 96 chars, with spaces, of 140 bytes available in a SMS. For some languages the attribution will take more than one message. Ooops... Tinyurl and like? It's, well, tiny. Shouldn't we set up our own URL-aliasing service? This would also have the advantage that you could be sure that the wikimedia shortened urls only lead to wikimedia domains. eg.: http://wp.cx/3tT5u7Z redirects to http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=302589573 http://wp.cx/c redirects to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_3.0_Unported_License Harald ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l That's actually not a bad idea :) A dedicated wmf domain for short urls would be amazingly helpful for a lot of things. Just make it so the script only accepts WMF-owned domains and you've got yourself a great tool. -Chad ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Attribution on small interactive devices and systems
Over at Wikinews, we've just started using a new url shortening service-enwn.net for our twitter feed. You'll need to talk to http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/User:ShakataGaNai if interested. On 17/07/2009 14:06, Chad wrote: On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Harald Krichelharald.kric...@googlemail.com wrote: Peter Gervai schrieb: On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 01:32, John at Darkstarvac...@jeb.no wrote: Minimum attribution of «Terms of Use» from Wikimdia Foundations site would be http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/; That is 96 chars, with spaces, of 140 bytes available in a SMS. For some languages the attribution will take more than one message. Ooops... Tinyurl and like? It's, well, tiny. Shouldn't we set up our own URL-aliasing service? This would also have the advantage that you could be sure that the wikimedia shortened urls only lead to wikimedia domains. eg.: http://wp.cx/3tT5u7Z redirects to http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=302589573 http://wp.cx/c redirects to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_3.0_Unported_License Harald ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l That's actually not a bad idea :) A dedicated wmf domain for short urls would be amazingly helpful for a lot of things. Just make it so the script only accepts WMF-owned domains and you've got yourself a great tool. -Chad ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Attribution on small interactive devices and systems
2009/7/17 Harald Krichel harald.kric...@googlemail.com: Shouldn't we set up our own URL-aliasing service? This would also have the advantage that you could be sure that the wikimedia shortened urls only lead to wikimedia domains. I know of: http://enwp.org/ http://enwn.net/ - d. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Attribution on small interactive devices and systems
2009/7/17 Harald Krichel harald.kric...@googlemail.com: Shouldn't we set up our own URL-aliasing service? This would also have the advantage that you could be sure that the wikimedia shortened urls only lead to wikimedia domains. eg.: http://wp.cx/3tT5u7Z redirects to http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=302589573 I discovered yesterday that: enwp.org/Article redirects to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article Sadly, it doesn't work with revision IDs, but it's a start! -- - Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Attribution on small interactive devices and systems
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 9:14 AM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/7/17 Harald Krichel harald.kric...@googlemail.com: Shouldn't we set up our own URL-aliasing service? This would also have the advantage that you could be sure that the wikimedia shortened urls only lead to wikimedia domains. I know of: http://enwp.org/ http://enwn.net/ - d. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l Does anyone know the guy who owns enwp.org? That being said, enwp.org/?oldid=1234 does work :) -Chad ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Attribution on small interactive devices and systems
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Andrew Grayandrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: 2009/7/17 Harald Krichel harald.kric...@googlemail.com: Shouldn't we set up our own URL-aliasing service? This would also have the advantage that you could be sure that the wikimedia shortened urls only lead to wikimedia domains. eg.: http://wp.cx/3tT5u7Z redirects to http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=302589573 I discovered yesterday that: enwp.org/Article redirects to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article Sadly, it doesn't work with revision IDs, but it's a start! -- - Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l Yes it does, enwp.org/?oldid=60372135 should redirect you to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/?oldid=60372135 which is a 2006 revision of [[Old-Timers' Day]] (thanks Special:Random). -Chad ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Attribution on small interactive devices and systems
I control enwn.net. We just set it up primarily for our Twitter feed. That being said, I've already had requests to make it available for external users - so that's in progress, and I can expand it to allow all WMF sites (not just wn). Otherwise it does support short redirects for CurID. Example: http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/U.K._National_Portrait_Gallery_threatens_U.S._citizen_with_legal_action_over_Wikimedia_images?curid=129225 http://enwn.net/+129225 -Jon On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 08:14, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/7/17 Harald Krichel harald.kric...@googlemail.com: Shouldn't we set up our own URL-aliasing service? This would also have the advantage that you could be sure that the wikimedia shortened urls only lead to wikimedia domains. I know of: http://enwp.org/ http://enwn.net/ - d. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Jon [[User:ShakataGaNai]] http://snowulf.com/ - Blog http://snowulf.imagekind.com/ - Pictures This has been a test of the emergency sig system. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Attribution on small interactive devices and systems
On Jul 17, 2009, at 8:25 AM, Chad wrote: Does anyone know the guy who owns enwp.org? That being said, enwp.org/?oldid=1234 does work :) -Chad (Asked whois.pir.org:43 about enwp.org) Domain ID: D148943548-LROR Domain Name: ENWP.ORG Created On: 23-Aug-2007 14: 33: 18 UTC Last Updated On: 21-Sep-2008 00: 28: 40 UTC Expiration Date: 23-Aug-2009 14: 33: 18 UTC Sponsoring Registrar: ASCIO Technologies Inc. - Denmark (R76-LROR) Status: OK Registrant ID: AT9622172-051 Registrant Name: Thomas Kjoerberg Registrant Street1: Groennevollen 14 Registrant Street2: Registrant Street3: Registrant City: Bergen Registrant State/Province: -- Registrant Postal Code: 5016 Registrant Country: NO Registrant Phone: 47.99298989 Registrant Phone Ext.: Registrant FAX: Registrant FAX Ext.: Registrant Email: tl-lo...@hotmail.com Admin ID: AT4607819-051 Admin Name: Hostmaster Funktionen Admin Organization: One.com A/S Admin Street1: Kalvebod Brygge 45 Admin Street2: Admin Street3: Admin City: Copenhagen V Admin State/Province: Admin Postal Code: 1560 Admin Country: DK Admin Phone: 45.46907100 Admin Phone Ext.: Admin FAX: 45.70205872 Admin FAX Ext.: Admin Email: hostmas...@b-one.nu Tech ID: AT9622194-051 Tech Name: Hostmaster Funktionen Tech Organization: One.com A/S Tech Street1: Kalvebod Brygge 45 Tech Street2: Tech Street3: Tech City: Copenhagen V Tech State/Province: Tech Postal Code: 1560 Tech Country: DK Tech Phone: 45.46907100 Tech Phone Ext.: Tech FAX: 45.70205872 Tech FAX Ext.: Tech Email: hostmas...@b-one.nu Name Server: NS1.B-ONE.NU Name Server: NS2.B-ONE.NU Name Server: NS3.B-ONE.NU Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Philippe Beaudette Facilitator, Strategic Plan Wikimedia Foundation pbeaude...@wikimedia.org Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Attribution on small interactive devices and systems
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Philippe Beaudettepbeaude...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Jul 17, 2009, at 8:25 AM, Chad wrote: Does anyone know the guy who owns enwp.org? That being said, enwp.org/?oldid=1234 does work :) -Chad (Asked whois.pir.org:43 about enwp.org) Domain ID: D148943548-LROR Domain Name: ENWP.ORG Created On: 23-Aug-2007 14: 33: 18 UTC Last Updated On: 21-Sep-2008 00: 28: 40 UTC Expiration Date: 23-Aug-2009 14: 33: 18 UTC Sponsoring Registrar: ASCIO Technologies Inc. - Denmark (R76-LROR) Status: OK Registrant ID: AT9622172-051 Registrant Name: Thomas Kjoerberg Registrant Street1: Groennevollen 14 Registrant Street2: Registrant Street3: Registrant City: Bergen Registrant State/Province: -- Registrant Postal Code: 5016 Registrant Country: NO Registrant Phone: 47.99298989 Registrant Phone Ext.: Registrant FAX: Registrant FAX Ext.: Registrant Email: tl-lo...@hotmail.com Admin ID: AT4607819-051 Admin Name: Hostmaster Funktionen Admin Organization: One.com A/S Admin Street1: Kalvebod Brygge 45 Admin Street2: Admin Street3: Admin City: Copenhagen V Admin State/Province: Admin Postal Code: 1560 Admin Country: DK Admin Phone: 45.46907100 Admin Phone Ext.: Admin FAX: 45.70205872 Admin FAX Ext.: Admin Email: hostmas...@b-one.nu Tech ID: AT9622194-051 Tech Name: Hostmaster Funktionen Tech Organization: One.com A/S Tech Street1: Kalvebod Brygge 45 Tech Street2: Tech Street3: Tech City: Copenhagen V Tech State/Province: Tech Postal Code: 1560 Tech Country: DK Tech Phone: 45.46907100 Tech Phone Ext.: Tech FAX: 45.70205872 Tech FAX Ext.: Tech Email: hostmas...@b-one.nu Name Server: NS1.B-ONE.NU Name Server: NS2.B-ONE.NU Name Server: NS3.B-ONE.NU Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Philippe Beaudette Facilitator, Strategic Plan Wikimedia Foundation pbeaude...@wikimedia.org Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l I did the whois too, but I don't know him. I was asking if (in general) we know the guy who runs it :) -Chad ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Attribution on small interactive devices and systems
This is a wikipedian from Norway. John Erling Blad Wikimedia Norway Chad wrote: On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Philippe Beaudettepbeaude...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Jul 17, 2009, at 8:25 AM, Chad wrote: Does anyone know the guy who owns enwp.org? That being said, enwp.org/?oldid=1234 does work :) -Chad (Asked whois.pir.org:43 about enwp.org) Domain ID: D148943548-LROR Domain Name: ENWP.ORG Created On: 23-Aug-2007 14: 33: 18 UTC Last Updated On: 21-Sep-2008 00: 28: 40 UTC Expiration Date: 23-Aug-2009 14: 33: 18 UTC Sponsoring Registrar: ASCIO Technologies Inc. - Denmark (R76-LROR) Status: OK Registrant ID: AT9622172-051 Registrant Name: Thomas Kjoerberg Registrant Street1: Groennevollen 14 Registrant Street2: Registrant Street3: Registrant City: Bergen Registrant State/Province: -- Registrant Postal Code: 5016 Registrant Country: NO Registrant Phone: 47.99298989 Registrant Phone Ext.: Registrant FAX: Registrant FAX Ext.: Registrant Email: tl-lo...@hotmail.com Admin ID: AT4607819-051 Admin Name: Hostmaster Funktionen Admin Organization: One.com A/S Admin Street1: Kalvebod Brygge 45 Admin Street2: Admin Street3: Admin City: Copenhagen V Admin State/Province: Admin Postal Code: 1560 Admin Country: DK Admin Phone: 45.46907100 Admin Phone Ext.: Admin FAX: 45.70205872 Admin FAX Ext.: Admin Email: hostmas...@b-one.nu Tech ID: AT9622194-051 Tech Name: Hostmaster Funktionen Tech Organization: One.com A/S Tech Street1: Kalvebod Brygge 45 Tech Street2: Tech Street3: Tech City: Copenhagen V Tech State/Province: Tech Postal Code: 1560 Tech Country: DK Tech Phone: 45.46907100 Tech Phone Ext.: Tech FAX: 45.70205872 Tech FAX Ext.: Tech Email: hostmas...@b-one.nu Name Server: NS1.B-ONE.NU Name Server: NS2.B-ONE.NU Name Server: NS3.B-ONE.NU Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Philippe Beaudette Facilitator, Strategic Plan Wikimedia Foundation pbeaude...@wikimedia.org Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l I did the whois too, but I don't know him. I was asking if (in general) we know the guy who runs it :) -Chad ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Attribution on small interactive devices and systems
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 21:45, John at Darkstarvac...@jeb.no wrote: There is a solution, and it is rather puzzling. The license talks about identification by an URI, and this can be defined several ways. We can simply define an URI like Wikipedia:My article or perhaps cc:nn Not very much different from an URL, it requires a net connection as well. Still I believe URL is a correct pointer to the license, clickable or not. grin ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Attribution on small interactive devices and systems
2009/7/4 Peter Gervai grin...@gmail.com: On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 21:45, John at Darkstarvac...@jeb.no wrote: There is a solution, and it is rather puzzling. The license talks about identification by an URI, and this can be defined several ways. We can simply define an URI like Wikipedia:My article or perhaps cc:nn Not very much different from an URL, it requires a net connection as well. Still I believe URL is a correct pointer to the license, clickable or not. And the original work. In particular, a revision ID is a unique reference to a particular revision on a particular copy of MediaWiki, e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/?oldid=299753371 (where I put [[:en:Karl Malden]]'s birth name into the intro). - d. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Attribution on small interactive devices and systems
Hoi, Did you consider what this does in other scripts ... the notion that it is a small number of characters is based on the notion that the script will be the Latin script.. Other scripts tend to show as the Unicode numbers.. Thanks, GerardM 2009/7/3 Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 5:32 PM, John at Darkstar vac...@jeb.no wrote: Minimum attribution of «Terms of Use» from Wikimdia Foundations site would be http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/; That is 96 chars, with spaces, of 140 bytes available in a SMS. For some languages the attribution will take more than one message. Ooops... John You just need to provide a url to the article. Type wikipedia.org/articleinto your address bar and wait 5 seconds. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Attribution on small interactive devices and systems
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 01:32, John at Darkstarvac...@jeb.no wrote: Minimum attribution of «Terms of Use» from Wikimdia Foundations site would be http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/; That is 96 chars, with spaces, of 140 bytes available in a SMS. For some languages the attribution will take more than one message. Ooops... Tinyurl and like? It's, well, tiny. grin ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Attribution on small interactive devices and systems
A url for a medium without a clickable link is, well, not an optimum solution. Obfuscated url isn't really any better, but it might be shorter. John Peter Gervai wrote: On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 01:32, John at Darkstarvac...@jeb.no wrote: Minimum attribution of «Terms of Use» from Wikimdia Foundations site would be http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/; That is 96 chars, with spaces, of 140 bytes available in a SMS. For some languages the attribution will take more than one message. Ooops... Tinyurl and like? It's, well, tiny. grin ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Attribution on small interactive devices and systems
I know it is even worse for some other languages, but I don't think it is very interesting to calculate exact numbers for a couple of hundred languages. The most typical worse case for a SMS is 70 two byte chars. John Gerard Meijssen wrote: Hoi, Did you consider what this does in other scripts ... the notion that it is a small number of characters is based on the notion that the script will be the Latin script.. Other scripts tend to show as the Unicode numbers.. Thanks, GerardM 2009/7/3 Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 5:32 PM, John at Darkstar vac...@jeb.no wrote: Minimum attribution of «Terms of Use» from Wikimdia Foundations site would be http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/; That is 96 chars, with spaces, of 140 bytes available in a SMS. For some languages the attribution will take more than one message. Ooops... John You just need to provide a url to the article. Type wikipedia.org/articleinto your address bar and wait 5 seconds. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Attribution on small interactive devices and systems
There is a solution, and it is rather puzzling. The license talks about identification by an URI, and this can be defined several ways. We can simply define an URI like Wikipedia:My article or perhaps cc:nn where the last is some kind of digital resource identifier for works licensed by Creative Commons. The first are simpler to understand, while the latter are somewhat shorter and more reusable. John ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Attribution on small interactive devices and systems
Minimum attribution of «Terms of Use» from Wikimdia Foundations site would be http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/; That is 96 chars, with spaces, of 140 bytes available in a SMS. For some languages the attribution will take more than one message. Ooops... John John at Darkstar wrote: It seems like the attribution scheme chosen does not support small interactive devices and systems very Well. Are there anyone who have given this any thoughts? The problem is basically as the chunk of information shrinks the attribution scheme will be more and more of a problem. With the current scheme the paper leaflet -problem are solved, still what do we do for cell phones and similar devices? The same problem also arise for solutions where excerpts from articles are used as tooltips in maps. I guess there are a lot of other examples. I would like a fourth point in the text that says something like attribution after good practice for devices and systems where the previous isn't possible. The current text reads: Attribution: To re-distribute a text page in any form, provide credit to the authors either by including a) a hyperlink (where possible) or URL to the page or pages you are re-using, b) a hyperlink (where possible) or URL to an alternative, stable online copy which is freely accessible, which conforms with the license, and which provides credit to the authors in a manner equivalent to the credit given on this website, or c) a list of all authors. John ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Attribution on small interactive devices and systems
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 5:32 PM, John at Darkstar vac...@jeb.no wrote: Minimum attribution of «Terms of Use» from Wikimdia Foundations site would be http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/; That is 96 chars, with spaces, of 140 bytes available in a SMS. For some languages the attribution will take more than one message. Ooops... John You just need to provide a url to the article. Type wikipedia.org/articleinto your address bar and wait 5 seconds. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Attribution on small interactive devices and systems
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 5:32 PM, John at Darkstar vac...@jeb.no wrote: Minimum attribution of «Terms of Use» from Wikimdia Foundations site would be http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/; That is 96 chars, with spaces, of 140 bytes available in a SMS. For some languages the attribution will take more than one message. Ooops... John You just need to provide a url to the article. Type wikipedia.org/articleinto your address bar and wait 5 seconds. I actually was not aware that the terms now ask you to link not only to the article, but to the license as well. That is a burden. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Attribution on small interactive devices and systems
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Brianbrian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: I actually was not aware that the terms now ask you to link not only to the article, but to the license as well. That is a burden. Linking to the license (or providing it's actual text) is an explicit requirement of CC-BY-SA. -Robert Rohde ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
