Re: [Foundation-l] just wondering, are we going to take down en.wikipedia.org?
2011/10/28 Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org On 28/10/11 01:43, emijrp wrote: Obvious sarcasm is obvious. But people think you are serious. I'm not sure who is more dangerous, stupid politicians speaking about closing sites or stupid wikipedians closing Wikipedia sites when politicians speak about closing sites. About 90% of everything that comes out of Domas's mouth is sarcasm. So if you don't know whether he's being sarcastic about something, you can assume that he is and get it right 90% of the time. Domas probably had the same reaction to the Italian Wikipedia protest as I did. We both spend a lot of time making sure Wikipedia is always up and available for people to read, so it's painful to see a small proportion of a wiki's users decide to take a whole wiki offline for everyone. -- Tim Starling http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SOPA_initiative#Comment_on_blackouts_and_technical_feasibilities ...it is very likely that we will not be able to make 100% sure that nobody can access Wikipedia... @Domas, @Tim: As Wikimedia tech staff. Have you changed your mind? Are you working to blackout English Wikipedia? ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] just wondering, are we going to take down en.wikipedia.org?
*@Domas, @Tim: As Wikimedia tech staff. Have you changed your mind? Are you working to blackout English Wikipedia?* See the Wikitech-l mailing list. The technical discussion seems to be over there, at least in part. The matter seems to be more a How can we get this done properly wiithout breaking a load of other things before the appointed date then a We don't want to do this. There is a prototype over here: ( https://test.wikipedia.org/?banner=SOPA_blackout_alt), for which i hasten to add that it is only a technical prototype, with no final text, layout and so on. ~Excirial On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 5:00 PM, emijrp emi...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/10/28 Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org On 28/10/11 01:43, emijrp wrote: Obvious sarcasm is obvious. But people think you are serious. I'm not sure who is more dangerous, stupid politicians speaking about closing sites or stupid wikipedians closing Wikipedia sites when politicians speak about closing sites. About 90% of everything that comes out of Domas's mouth is sarcasm. So if you don't know whether he's being sarcastic about something, you can assume that he is and get it right 90% of the time. Domas probably had the same reaction to the Italian Wikipedia protest as I did. We both spend a lot of time making sure Wikipedia is always up and available for people to read, so it's painful to see a small proportion of a wiki's users decide to take a whole wiki offline for everyone. -- Tim Starling http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SOPA_initiative#Comment_on_blackouts_and_technical_feasibilities ...it is very likely that we will not be able to make 100% sure that nobody can access Wikipedia... @Domas, @Tim: As Wikimedia tech staff. Have you changed your mind? Are you working to blackout English Wikipedia? ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] just wondering, are we going to take down en.wikipedia.org?
Just to add something to my previous mail - since the implementation is currently an added div, it is fairly easy to override it. One (example) method would be using the popular adblock addon for firefox in combination with the element blocker. By blocking divs with the ID mw-sopaOverlay you could effectively disable the banner altogether. To be honest i personally don't mind that it is technically feasible since the alternative seems to be (possibly) breaking the Google indexing on wiki pages, but i am a tad worried how many ill-intended people will get trough, when the amount of surveillance will also be lower then usual. ~Excirial. On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 7:39 PM, Excirial mailfrontend.excir...@gmail.comwrote: *@Domas, @Tim: As Wikimedia tech staff. Have you changed your mind? Are you working to blackout English Wikipedia?* See the Wikitech-l mailing list. The technical discussion seems to be over there, at least in part. The matter seems to be more a How can we get this done properly without breaking a load of other things before the appointed date then a We don't want to do this. There is a prototype over here: ( https://test.wikipedia.org/?banner=SOPA_blackout_alt), for which i hasten to add that it is only a technical prototype, with no final text, layout and so on. ~Excirial On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 5:00 PM, emijrp emi...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/10/28 Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org On 28/10/11 01:43, emijrp wrote: Obvious sarcasm is obvious. But people think you are serious. I'm not sure who is more dangerous, stupid politicians speaking about closing sites or stupid wikipedians closing Wikipedia sites when politicians speak about closing sites. About 90% of everything that comes out of Domas's mouth is sarcasm. So if you don't know whether he's being sarcastic about something, you can assume that he is and get it right 90% of the time. Domas probably had the same reaction to the Italian Wikipedia protest as I did. We both spend a lot of time making sure Wikipedia is always up and available for people to read, so it's painful to see a small proportion of a wiki's users decide to take a whole wiki offline for everyone. -- Tim Starling http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SOPA_initiative#Comment_on_blackouts_and_technical_feasibilities ...it is very likely that we will not be able to make 100% sure that nobody can access Wikipedia... @Domas, @Tim: As Wikimedia tech staff. Have you changed your mind? Are you working to blackout English Wikipedia? ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] just wondering, are we going to take down en.wikipedia.org?
Hey guys, http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/204167-sopa-shelved-until-consensus-is-found The House decided they're going to stop bothering with this bill for a while, so while we should continue to think about what we will do when the time comes to protest this, that time is not right now. The bill can be reconsidered just as it was left off any time before the end of this congressional session, and the Senate still has a live bill, but the fact that HR 3261 is not being considered at the moment means that even if the Senate passes their bill, the House may refuse to consider that one too. -- Dan ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] just wondering, are we going to take down en.wikipedia.org?
On 16 January 2012 19:27, Dan Collins en.wp.s...@gmail.com wrote: http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/204167-sopa-shelved-until-consensus-is-found The House decided they're going to stop bothering with this bill for a while, so while we should continue to think about what we will do when Not in the slightest. Your good cheer on the subject comes across as lacking awareness of the lay of the land. Shelved is entirely different to dead, and SOPA-like ideas come back like hordes of zombies. This is the latest in a long line of such bills, and there will be more later. SOPA is not dead until it has a stake through its heart and its head stuffed in a pickle jar with a lemon in its mouth. Even then I'd keep a sledgehammer handy. - d. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] just wondering, are we going to take down en.wikipedia.org?
Dan Collins writes: Hey guys, http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/204167-sopa-shelved-until-consensus-is-found The House decided they're going to stop bothering with this bill for a while, so while we should continue to think about what we will do when the time comes to protest this, that time is not right now. The bill can be reconsidered just as it was left off any time before the end of this congressional session, and the Senate still has a live bill, but the fact that HR 3261 is not being considered at the moment means that even if the Senate passes their bill, the House may refuse to consider that one too. Dan, you're misreading the implications of what the story you link to says. What's actually happening is that the House sponsors hope to defuse opposition by delaying and slightly modifying SOPA. My experience as a DC lawyer for much of my career strongly suggests that there's no reason to suspend expressions of opposition to SOPA or PIPA or the general effort by content companies to change the internet as we know it. In my view, it is wholly incorrect to say that time is not right now. Anything that the legislators can interpret as a lack of resolve from the internet communities will encourage them to resubmit SOPA or its equivalent in another form. The time for protesting this is, in fact, right now. --Mike ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] just wondering, are we going to take down en.wikipedia.org?
I agree. We should have the balls to do the blackout and attract attention from public and medias. People should read about the bill, think about the rights they would be surrendering if the bill passes. If (when) the bill appears again, people will be ready to have an informed opinion about it, and I'm certain it will be against it. We should test it now, to be ready. Le 16/01/2012 20:19, Mike Godwin a écrit : Dan Collins writes: Hey guys, http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/204167-sopa-shelved-until-consensus-is-found The House decided they're going to stop bothering with this bill for a while, so while we should continue to think about what we will do when the time comes to protest this, that time is not right now. The bill can be reconsidered just as it was left off any time before the end of this congressional session, and the Senate still has a live bill, but the fact that HR 3261 is not being considered at the moment means that even if the Senate passes their bill, the House may refuse to consider that one too. Dan, you're misreading the implications of what the story you link to says. What's actually happening is that the House sponsors hope to defuse opposition by delaying and slightly modifying SOPA. My experience as a DC lawyer for much of my career strongly suggests that there's no reason to suspend expressions of opposition to SOPA or PIPA or the general effort by content companies to change the internet as we know it. In my view, it is wholly incorrect to say that time is not right now. Anything that the legislators can interpret as a lack of resolve from the internet communities will encourage them to resubmit SOPA or its equivalent in another form. The time for protesting this is, in fact, right now. --Mike ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] just wondering, are we going to take down en.wikipedia.org?
David Gerard wrote: SOPA is not dead until it has a stake through its heart and its head stuffed in a pickle jar with a lemon in its mouth. Even then I'd keep a sledgehammer handy. I think there are pictures of that on Commons. Has anyone been reading the press coverage so far? Wikipedia is being grouped with Reddit and I Can Has Cheezburger. Really, sitting among the cream of the Internet crop. Regarding whether Twitter would join a blackout, Twitter's CEO Dick Costolo said, Closing a global business in reaction to single-issue national politics is foolish. Have any museums, newspapers, or other cultural or political institutions joined this effort? Is there any concern about further damage to Wikipedia's reputation and credibility as an academic resource when it behaves in the same manner as sites like Reddit and I Can Has Cheezburger? MZMcBride ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] just wondering, are we going to take down en.wikipedia.org?
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Mike Godwin mnemo...@gmail.com wrote: ... Dan, you're misreading the implications of what the story you link to says. What's actually happening is that the House sponsors hope to defuse opposition by delaying and slightly modifying SOPA. My experience as a DC lawyer for much of my career strongly suggests that there's no reason to suspend expressions of opposition to SOPA or PIPA or the general effort by content companies to change the internet as we know it. In my view, it is wholly incorrect to say that time is not right now. Anything that the legislators can interpret as a lack of resolve from the internet communities will encourage them to resubmit SOPA or its equivalent in another form. The time for protesting this is, in fact, right now. What would we be protesting, now? That the process worked, this time? SOPA is currently dead. It may come back, soon, as something else, but SOPA is dead. We need to be watchful and ready to blackout the site, but we should not protest about dead bills. There is no consensus to blackout the site over a different bill. -- John Vandenberg ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] just wondering, are we going to take down en.wikipedia.org?
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 6:53 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Have any museums, newspapers, or other cultural or political institutions joined this effort? Is there any concern about further damage to Wikipedia's reputation and credibility as an academic resource when it behaves in the same manner as sites like Reddit and I Can Has Cheezburger? MZMcBride Who is John Galt? -- ~Keegan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] just wondering, are we going to take down en.wikipedia.org?
Le 16/01/2012 23:43, Keegan Peterzell a écrit : On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 6:53 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Have any museums, newspapers, or other cultural or political institutions joined this effort? Is there any concern about further damage to Wikipedia's reputation and credibility as an academic resource when it behaves in the same manner as sites like Reddit and I Can Has Cheezburger? MZMcBride Who is John Galt? What will Google do exactly? ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] just wondering, are we going to take down en.wikipedia.org?
http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-01-04/tech/30586955_1_zynga-sopa-paypal 2011/12/12 emijrp emi...@gmail.com ANDDD HERE WE GO https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#Request_for_Comment:_SOPA_and_a_strike 2011/10/27 Domas Mituzas midom.li...@gmail.com Hi! we recently did some practice on italian wikipedia, are we going to protest IP legislation in US by taking down English Wikipedia? https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/10/disastrous-ip-legislation-back-%E2%80%93-and-it%E2%80%99s-worse-ever Domas ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] just wondering, are we going to take down en.wikipedia.org?
ANDDD HERE WE GO https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#Request_for_Comment:_SOPA_and_a_strike 2011/10/27 Domas Mituzas midom.li...@gmail.com Hi! we recently did some practice on italian wikipedia, are we going to protest IP legislation in US by taking down English Wikipedia? https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/10/disastrous-ip-legislation-back-%E2%80%93-and-it%E2%80%99s-worse-ever Domas ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] just wondering, are we going to take down en.wikipedia.org?
+ support! _ MateusNobre MetalBrasil on Wikimedia projects (+55) 85 88393509 30440865 From: emi...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 23:40:06 +0100 To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] just wondering, are we going to take down en.wikipedia.org? ANDDD HERE WE GO https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#Request_for_Comment:_SOPA_and_a_strike 2011/10/27 Domas Mituzas midom.li...@gmail.com Hi! we recently did some practice on italian wikipedia, are we going to protest IP legislation in US by taking down English Wikipedia? https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/10/disastrous-ip-legislation-back-%E2%80%93-and-it%E2%80%99s-worse-ever Domas ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] just wondering, are we going to take down en.wikipedia.org?
Wikipedia just can make protests when we're talking things which could affect the integrity of website. If we take down for political reasons, will not be long to take down for religious reasons and others opinionated reasons. Neutrality is a pillar of Wiki. My opinion is to only manifest ourselves when our Wikimedia is in existencial danger. _ MateusNobre MetalBrasil on Wikimedia projects (+55) 85 88393509 30440865 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 19:51:08 -0400 From: kirill.loks...@gmail.com To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] just wondering, are we going to take down en.wikipedia.org? On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 5:52 PM, emijrp emi...@gmail.com wrote: Additional reasons to shut down English Wikipedia as protest ASAP http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/u-s-cuts-funding-for-unesco-after-palestinian-vote-1.392996 This has little enough to do with Wiki(m/p)edia, however; while UNESCO's mission does have some overlap with that of the WMF, we are not connected to them in any substantive way. Certainly, the mere fact that a cultural institution of some sort has had its funding cut should not cause us to do anything spectacularly unusual, as that's a fairly routine event these days. Kirill ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] just wondering, are we going to take down en.wikipedia.org?
Additional reasons to shut down English Wikipedia as protest ASAP http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/u-s-cuts-funding-for-unesco-after-palestinian-vote-1.392996 2011/10/27 Domas Mituzas midom.li...@gmail.com Hi! we recently did some practice on italian wikipedia, are we going to protest IP legislation in US by taking down English Wikipedia? https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/10/disastrous-ip-legislation-back-%E2%80%93-and-it%E2%80%99s-worse-ever Domas ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] just wondering, are we going to take down en.wikipedia.org?
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 5:52 PM, emijrp emi...@gmail.com wrote: Additional reasons to shut down English Wikipedia as protest ASAP http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/u-s-cuts-funding-for-unesco-after-palestinian-vote-1.392996 This has little enough to do with Wiki(m/p)edia, however; while UNESCO's mission does have some overlap with that of the WMF, we are not connected to them in any substantive way. Certainly, the mere fact that a cultural institution of some sort has had its funding cut should not cause us to do anything spectacularly unusual, as that's a fairly routine event these days. Kirill ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] just wondering, are we going to take down en.wikipedia.org?
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 4:05 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 28 October 2011 13:48, Peter Gervai grin...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 04:05, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: as I did. We both spend a lot of time making sure Wikipedia is always up and available for people to read, so it's painful to see a small proportion of a wiki's users decide to take a whole wiki offline for everyone. But let's not forget that no matter how stable a cluster is the site could be brought down by a single paper from the law enforcement, politicians and alike. Life is not always as simple as make backups and you'll be safe for ever. Which is why, even though forks aren't good, forkability is essential backup hygiene. Has anyone tried to duplicate a running Wikipedia lately? (I'd try myself if I had a PC to had with sufficient disk space ...) - d. How much money do you need, and can we get enough competent coders to help us? I can't code for shit. I still remember the Stormfront incident, and I am sure Tim Starling does too. If we had to do it, we would have to be prepared to put in a whole lot more computing power than the Stormfront 'idiots did Maybe a whole Big Mama or two... But on the other hand, if all the editors drained out of the wikipedia site, it would all turn the other way. A wikipedia like site can not survive without a surplus of folks doing the whole shitty thing (pardon my french) and alienating them is a *BIG* no-no. Really, Not kidding. Don't worry about the small stuff like small donors. Think about the fact that they are doing free work for you, and you treat them like are shit you can walk all over by a board decision that seems to have spawned from somebody in bedlam. That is what you have to worry about. Sorrry again if my tone isn't to your liking. But be realistic and face the facts. There would be no wikipedia without the people whose traditions you are shitting down on from a great height. -- -- Jussi-Ville Heiskanen, ~ [[User:Cimon Avaro]] ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] just wondering, are we going to take down en.wikipedia.org?
We have the ability to strike back with our means Lockout of all the IP addresses of companies, institutions, members of Congress. All to the Blacklist of our site. This includes all educational institutions and religious groups who profess not an implicit model of an open knowledge society. Then they can even try to force open access to knowledge. How absurd it is then, will prove to be accurate by this procedure. Do not strike the en: WP .. This is pointless, because the Foundation also runs here long ago a course that goes against our original intentions. Hubertl Am 27.10.2011 15:43, schrieb Domas Mituzas: Hi! we recently did some practice on italian wikipedia, are we going to protest IP legislation in US by taking down English Wikipedia? https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/10/disastrous-ip-legislation-back-%E2%80%93-and-it%E2%80%99s-worse-ever Domas ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] just wondering, are we going to take down en.wikipedia.org?
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 04:05, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: as I did. We both spend a lot of time making sure Wikipedia is always up and available for people to read, so it's painful to see a small proportion of a wiki's users decide to take a whole wiki offline for everyone. But let's not forget that no matter how stable a cluster is the site could be brought down by a single paper from the law enforcement, politicians and alike. Life is not always as simple as make backups and you'll be safe for ever. -- byte-byte, grin ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
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On 28 October 2011 13:48, Peter Gervai grin...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 04:05, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: as I did. We both spend a lot of time making sure Wikipedia is always up and available for people to read, so it's painful to see a small proportion of a wiki's users decide to take a whole wiki offline for everyone. But let's not forget that no matter how stable a cluster is the site could be brought down by a single paper from the law enforcement, politicians and alike. Life is not always as simple as make backups and you'll be safe for ever. Which is why, even though forks aren't good, forkability is essential backup hygiene. Has anyone tried to duplicate a running Wikipedia lately? (I'd try myself if I had a PC to had with sufficient disk space ...) - d. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
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On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 15:43, Domas Mituzas midom.li...@gmail.com wrote: Hi! we recently did some practice on italian wikipedia, are we going to protest IP legislation in US by taking down English Wikipedia? https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/10/disastrous-ip-legislation-back-%E2%80%93-and-it%E2%80%99s-worse-ever Unlike in Italian case, it is likely that US government would do that instead of us. So, there is no need to worry. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
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On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Domas Mituzas midom.li...@gmail.comwrote: we recently did some practice on italian wikipedia, are we going to protest IP legislation in US by taking down English Wikipedia? https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/10/disastrous-ip-legislation-back-%E2%80%93-and-it%E2%80%99s-worse-ever I think that's taking too many steps at once. We should first check what exactly is being proposed and how this would influence the projects, the Foundation and maybe other related groups. Only when we find that indeed there is a large negative impact either on the projects themselves or on the Foundation's possibilities of hosting and supporting them, are drastic methods of protest a good idea. And only at that point it could be decided that turning some site on black would be the best definition of 'drastic method' for the case. -- André Engels, andreeng...@gmail.com ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
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Obvious sarcasm is obvious. But people think you are serious. I'm not sure who is more dangerous, stupid politicians speaking about closing sites or stupid wikipedians closing Wikipedia sites when politicians speak about closing sites. Damn. 2011/10/27 Domas Mituzas midom.li...@gmail.com Hi! we recently did some practice on italian wikipedia, are we going to protest IP legislation in US by taking down English Wikipedia? https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/10/disastrous-ip-legislation-back-%E2%80%93-and-it%E2%80%99s-worse-ever Domas ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] just wondering, are we going to take down en.wikipedia.org?
Hi! we recently did some practice on italian wikipedia, are we going to protest IP legislation in US by taking down English Wikipedia? https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/10/disastrous-ip-legislation-back-%E2%80%93-and-it%E2%80%99s-worse-ever Domas Maybe when Occupy Wall Street calls a general strike... Fred ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
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On 28/10/11 01:43, emijrp wrote: Obvious sarcasm is obvious. But people think you are serious. I'm not sure who is more dangerous, stupid politicians speaking about closing sites or stupid wikipedians closing Wikipedia sites when politicians speak about closing sites. About 90% of everything that comes out of Domas's mouth is sarcasm. So if you don't know whether he's being sarcastic about something, you can assume that he is and get it right 90% of the time. Domas probably had the same reaction to the Italian Wikipedia protest as I did. We both spend a lot of time making sure Wikipedia is always up and available for people to read, so it's painful to see a small proportion of a wiki's users decide to take a whole wiki offline for everyone. -- Tim Starling ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
