font in GNOME's logo
Hi, Any particular reason why we choose Microsoft's font in our logo? http://live.gnome.org/LogoGuidelines thanks -- Mohammad mdamt at gnome dot org http://aksi.mdamt.net/log/ ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Vote NO on referendum to reduce board members
Alan Horkan wrote:... I would think a smaller board would require *more* delegation and given the nature of the beast the idea of breaking down tasks into smaller parts and trying to get other to help out more seems to makes a lot of sense. It may 'require' it[1], but it does not ensure it. Therefore this is a risky proposition, it presupposes that the Board will act in a way that maximize its effectiveness. I am pretty sure that this has not been the case previously. Bill [1] in order to be effective, that is. Sincerely Alan Horkan http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/ ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Vote NO on referendum to reduce board members
(I didn't have time to read this thread before, sorry for coming a bit late ;-)) On Mon, October 24, 2005 13:50, Luciana Bastos de Freitas Menezes wrote: I live in the south of Brazil, and it seams contraditory while we're raising the number of users, contributors, to decrease the number of our representats in the board. I don't think that the number of users and contributors is related in any way to the number of directors. Should we increase the number of directors because we have more users??? Also, I think this will make harder to have a Latin American representant in the board since we have a little amount of places to be filled. I agree with Olav's answer to this. But it is important to have a Latin American director. If so, could you explain us why? Thanks, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Vote NO on referendum to reduce board members
Hi, On Mon, October 24, 2005 21:09, Fernando San Martín Woerner wrote: I agree with you, the referendum was created to decide if we want less members, but may be there are some opinions to get more members on the board, and that's not bad, because we can vote. On the other hand having more members or keeping the current size give more chances to the monority, as some local groups are. Why does it give more chances? Because there won't be enough candidates? Or because people will be forced to vote for them? I'm not sure I understand. Also, why do you think a board should be bigger because the community becomes bigger. The board should defer most things to other groups. i guess that the point is: how we can represent more ideas or opinions in the board?, at least for me, we don't have enough variety of opinions or backgrouds at the board. Of course that's my personal thought, actually people there have enough merits, and they get a higher voting. I disagree. We don't need to represent more ideas or opinions in the board. What we need is members who become active and participate in the life of the Foundation. I'm pretty sure the board would love to hear what the members think. The Foundation is not a dictatorship. People on the board do listen to other people, and they'd love to hear different opinions than theirs. not for latin american people only, i guess that third world too, local groups, and people not involved in the development but deployments or even normal users, for many reasons you might consider that they don't have enough chances to be involved in activities like this. I agree that they don't have enough chances because a lof of members vote during elections as if it were a popularity contest. And they probably do this because they don't see what actions the board is doing or should do, and who would be good at the job. But I also believe that the people who can not be elected because of this can do a great job for the Foundation. There's no need to be on the board! Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Vote NO on referendum to reduce board members
Hi Daniel, On Tue, October 25, 2005 15:14, Daniel Veillard wrote: On Mon, Oct 24, 2005 at 02:23:40PM -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: On 10/24/05, Fernando San Martín Woerner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With less members they will be forced to step down. That is my intention. After each year I want to see what each board member has accomplished. i guess that you can do it now. Actually, no you can't. Perhaps there are those who know how much each board member has done but quite honestly, I have no clue. And Make sure you read the minutes of board meetings and the associated ACTION items. If you don't read them, then I really wasted my time :-( You can find all of them in the foundation-announces archives, easy to spot those are nearly the only messages on that list. The minutes are really useful. However, as Elijah pointed out, it's hard to remember everything at the end of the year. Could the board make a summary of what it worked on this year? I'm sure this would be useful to have such a document before the elections. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Vote NO on referendum to reduce board members
On 10/26/05, Vincent Untz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree that they don't have enough chances because a lof of members vote during elections as if it were a popularity contest. And they probably do this because they don't see what actions the board is doing or should do, and who would be good at the job. But I also believe that the people who can not be elected because of this can do a great job for the Foundation. There's no need to be on the board! A-men. Actually, I think we've usually got it completely backwards- the board should be some of the *least* active people in the foundation, providing oversight and guidance only. Almost all the work the board currently takes on should be delegated to committees (like the release and elections teams) that take guidance from the board and regularly report back to the board, but don't require election. I'll be pushing in this direction if elected next year. Just for the record, also, I'll restate what I said earlier- I'm voting yes here because, quite simply, there are not 11 qualified AND motivated candidates every year. There have in most years been 12-13 qualified candidates, many of whom ran because they feared the alternative- unqualified candidates being on the board. Until we start seeing years where 20 extremely qualified and motivated people are running, we need to cut down on the number of people on the board so that everyone who is on the board is active and motivated, and so that there is a real competition of ideas to get onto the board. Luis ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Why I'm Voting NO
quote who=Vincent Untz Interesting input. But why is it better to do this with 11 directors than 7 directors? :-) Broader, more diverse representation - this is a *big* community, and even the current board has massive msising chunks of it, whether you look at regional representation, developer representation, or skills representation. It's more important to have people on the board we trust, and keep rocking as a community, than have people on the board who have lots of time to get things done, and leave all the work to them. We'd have to choose completely different people based on those two perspectives of the board's role. - Jeff -- OSDC 2005: Melbourne, Australia http://www.osdc.com.au/ I used the word 'infrastructure' when describing her cooking style... and she didn't speak to me for a week. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Reducing the board size
quote who=Vincent Untz I've heard lots of unconvincing arguments as well--on both sides. But, what is very convincing to me is the fact that it strongly appears that we don't have 11 motivated people running for the board. Motivated to do what? To get things done? That should not be the function of the board. If you mean motivated to represent the GNOME community and the Foundation membership in the administration of the organisation, as in, people who we trust to do the right thing... I think that's wrong. We've had very motivated people, to the point where some of them have run to make sure less trustworthy people would not get on the board! :-) I forgot to ask. Jeff, what do you mean with represent the GNOME community and...? Can you give us some examples? Great question, thanks. * When someone asks for an opinion from the GNOME community, they usually go to the board. We need people on the board who we trust to answer these fairly, accurately, and without bias. * When there is a major division in the community, we need people on the board we trust to mediate. * When the organisation makes a significant investment of resources (such as taking on an employee, funding a conference, sponsoring travel for GNOME community members), we need people we trust to decide a course of action that is positive for our community. Those are only a few of the examples, but these are the kinds of things that matter for our board, not day-to-day muck. :-) - Jeff -- Ubuntu USA Europe Tour: Oct-Nov 2005http://wiki.ubuntu.com/3BT You know a French woman is faking it when she screams, I would like the table near the window please! ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
