Re: two questions for candidates
On Dec 3, 2007 1:11 AM, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If people are going to be looking at licenses, I would very much like to discuss the FDL v2, and our usage of the FDL in general. There are some troublesome parts whose implications for GNOME aren't clear to me. Would you like to pick someone to discuss this with the FSF? Also, I'm not certain how the copyleft nature of the FDL will impact the dynamic-collection-of-pages nature of Mallard. That someone could discuss this too. It is not too late for us to change the text of the next FDL version, so please don't wait. Presumably I (or James Vasile on our behalf) can do this, though I'd really rather not do it in the middle of my exams :) Is there a public schedule for the next FDL, Richard? I tried to find one on the gplv3 website the other day and failed. Luis ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Money spending, questions for the candidates
On Nov 30, 2007 2:30 PM, Philip Van Hoof [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the foundation could setup (orchestrate) meetings (or interops or however you want to call them) with the different teams. Gather the right people and put them together from time to times. I agree 100% with this, and it is part of mycampaign. I'm not talking about fancy meetings but casual get togethers with no fancy catering. A group of individuals who share the same interests and have the expertise to solve a given issue. Think of what happened during GUADEC when a bunch of guys went out for lunch(?) and hacked on webkit. Cheers, -- Og B. Maciel [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG Keys: D5CFC202 http://www.ogmaciel.com (en_US) http://blog.ogmaciel.com (pt_BR) ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Money spending, questions for the candidates
On Sat, 2007-12-01 at 12:15 +0100, Philip Van Hoof wrote: On Sat, 2007-12-01 at 10:18 +, Diego Escalante Urrelo wrote: On 12/1/07, Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doing that quality control could eat some (human) resources. Also as John says this could easily lead to an unintentioned favouritism. Unintentioned favouritism is a cheap reason to avoid all innovation from now on: o. Let's start with our license: I think that picking the GPL license implies an unintentioned favouritism for GNU. o. We should also not support ODF, because that implies an unintentioned favouritism for a company called Sun, and also for Novell! Please feel the sarcasm. If we are going to try to stop expressing any form of unintentioned favouritism, we might as well just stop at all. This is a completely straw man argument Philip. By restricting competition through favoritism we actually kill innovation. There are times when we will endorse already dominant ideologies that are in-line with our own and reject those that are dangerous, but I have never seen the board stray from our partner neutrality by pushing for something that hasn't already proved itself. i.e The board isn't going to come up with its own license and office format and push those as the one true way of doing things. To that effect if a company is interested or individuals wanted to put together a training program they could come to us and request we overview the course for endorsement and rights to use our trademarks. There are always these details to consider and there are consequences to even the smallest detail. I'm going to call you out here. You come to us with a set of questions which I can sum up to - If elected will you get the board to fund my pet projects? I'll give you this Philip, you have some nice high level ideas. What you lack is the details to get there - the step by step map that considers all the consequences and routes around them. I learned a great deal about this when I went to speak to Representative Barney Frank. I was helping push the Education For All Act which would provide US aid funding for a basic level of education to children around the world. Representative Frank turned around and said that all sounds really good but how do we get there? Where do the funds come from? What is your plan? Lesson learned - it is all about how you get there and not just the end results. If a project is worthwhile it will prove itself by getting itself off the ground and be able to sustain itself. The foundation comes in when such projects need a little push to get to the next level. A project should not rely solely on the Foundation because, lets face it, our resources are limited and there are a number of good project out there that could use our help. We are going to go for the ones that have a high probability of success and give us the biggest bang for our buck. -- John (J5) Palmieri [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: two questions for candidates
There is no schedule for the next FDL. Since Wikipedia has made up its mind, I want to (and owe it to them to) work on this soon. However, there is time to listen to suggestions, if they come soon. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Question to candidates: what about next ODF?
I don't recall that any candidate explicily rejected supporting the free software movement by means other than improving the attractiveness and success of GNOME. But several candidates answered in a way that seemed to pointedly imply a rejection of any such form of support for the community. I answered about the success of GNOME, mostly because I didn't read what you now raise as the point of your original question. I'm sorry I expressed myself badly before. Now the point has been clarified. How do you think the GNOME Foundation (and GNOME) should try to help the broader free software movement, beyond the contribution which GNOME makes by being successful free software? ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: On Boston Summit organization and delegation [was Re: A question to candidates]
On Mon, 2007-12-03 at 12:46 -0500, Adam Schreiber wrote: On Dec 3, 2007 12:41 PM, Og Maciel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about North Carolina? We have a great place with big name companies, schools and exciting people. Seconded. Adam Schreiber *cough*Clemson University, Clemson, SC*cough* Would one of you guys like to put together a proposal including venue, costs and dates? It might be too late for this year since I am pretty sure we can book the Stata Center in January but it would be nice to have people talking to other venues and getting estimates so we have backup plans and the ability to move fast when choosing a venue for the year after. Alternatively if you wanted to get your feet wet and start small you could organize a smaller event and apply for funding from the board. -- John (J5) Palmieri [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Money spending, questions for the candidates
GNOME is based on a philosophy, but it is not just a philosophy. It is a project to develop and maintain a desktop environment. A technical project has to make specific technical decisions. It can't favor all the options that fit the philosophy; often it has to choose an avenue and follow it. Whatever the choices, some might call them favoritism, but that's tough. Choosing can't be avoided. GNOME is a desktop environment, but it is not just a desktop environment. It is also based on a philosophy of free software and freedom. That philosophy sometimes yields specific ethical reasons for making specific technical choices. To someone who thinks only in terms of technology, these might seem like favoritism, but favoring the ethical (or what leads to it) over the unethical is right and proper. The sort of favoritism that would be improper is to make a decision for the sake of profit (rather than the success of GNOME and the triumph of freedom). ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
