Re: Meeting Minutes Published - March 18, 2010
On Thu, 2010-03-25 at 21:31 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: Le jeudi 25 mars 2010, à 15:56 -0500, Brian Cameron a écrit : * Code of Conduct and the Speaker Guidelines o The board decided to vote to approve the proposed Code of Conduct and Speaker Guidelines at the next board meeting, and to require new Foundation members to sign them. Foundation members are encouraged to provide any feedback, ideas, or concerns before the next board meeting. Oops, missing link here: http://live.gnome.org/CodeOfConduct/SpeakerGuidelines Just like with the original CodeOfConduct I'd like to sign the SpeakerGuidelines as soon as it's out of draft status (in case I then still agree with the text, like I do now). Will this be made possible? Without a significant amount of signatures these guidelines don't really have much authority yet :-\ Matthew Garrett came with the first draft for those guidelines, and Murray Cumming improved the wording, so thanks to both of them! Also thanks to the advisory board for some initial feedback on the proposal. Thanks! (I also need to check, but for the Code of Conduct, I think we said we'll vote on making it a requirement for new Foundation members, and not on approving the Code of Conduct itself) So you'll vote on asking new foundation members to approve the code of conduct, but the board itself wont vote for approval of the document itself? Or? I didn't really get that :-) What about existing members? In my opinion if we make it a requirement to approve (and sign) the document for new members, we ought to also make it a requirement to do the same thing .. for existing members. Else we create a difference between existing and new members. We're all equal in my opinion: either it's all required, or no requirement, or the requirement is completely meaningless and just appeasement making. I atm think a full requirement for all is a good idea, by the way. Then at least we can with a straight face point to people and say: Look, you signed this. Everybody in GNOME is the same in this regard, so please also follow it. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Van Hoof freelance software developer Codeminded BVBA - http://codeminded.be ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Speaker Guidelines
Brian Cameron wrote: Oops, missing link here: http://live.gnome.org/CodeOfConduct/SpeakerGuidelines I cleaned up some of the text on this page, though I didn't think deeply about the content. However, I think it is currently an invitation to the same old philosophical discussion every time there's a problem. I think we should state our position clearly, so it doesn't have to be said each time, at the end of a long thread. So I would add this text to the Dealing With Problems section: We are not interested in a debate about whether someone should feel offended. You should avoid offending people even if you do not share their views. We do not consider this to be excessive censorship. It does not stop you from offending outside of the community. -- murr...@murrayc.com www.murrayc.com www.openismus.com ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Speaker Guidelines
On Fri, 2010-03-26 at 11:31 +0100, Murray Cumming wrote: Brian Cameron wrote: Oops, missing link here: http://live.gnome.org/CodeOfConduct/SpeakerGuidelines I cleaned up some of the text on this page, though I didn't think deeply about the content. However, I think it is currently an invitation to the same old philosophical discussion every time there's a problem. I think we should state our position clearly, so it doesn't have to be said each time, at the end of a long thread. So I would add this text to the Dealing With Problems section: I very much agree with stating the position clearly. We are not interested in a debate about whether someone should feel offended. You should avoid offending people even if you do not share their views. A clear position will avoid a lot of discussions, I agree. But then somebody of the board (or a appointed person) should also as soon as possible halt such offending statements with a reply like: Please follow our guidelines as stated in the Code Of Conduct which, since it is a requirement for all members, you agreed with. End of discussion. We do not consider this to be excessive censorship. It does not stop you from offending outside of the community. Exactly. Outside of GNOME's infrastructure people are free to do what they want. When using its infrastructure, foundation members are a guest and should stick to the principles and guidelines of the house. If they disagree they can try to vote the guideline away or don't be a member. A clear position makes happy people. Happy people contribute more. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Van Hoof freelance software developer Codeminded BVBA - http://codeminded.be ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Last call for SoC Ideas! (was Re: Google Summer of Code 2010 Call for Ideas)
This meeting is actually on *Saturday*, not Sunday, so STOP SLACKING GO GO GO! On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 8:18 AM, Sandy Armstrong sanfordarmstr...@gmail.com wrote: Howdy, On Sunday a small group of SoC mentors will sort through the list of ideas on the wiki, clean them up, remove those we don't want to recommend to students, and highlight those we find especially alluring. If you have ideas for your project, you have today and tomorrow to add them to the wiki before our meeting. Please place new ideas in the Other Ideas section: http://live.gnome.org/SummerOfCode2010/Ideas#Other_Ideas The student proposal period starts Monday. If you want to help review student proposals, please sign up as a mentor. If you don't use your full name and include details when applying to be a mentor, we may not know who you are, so if you choose to do that please email me, Ruben, or Daniel with your link_id so we don't reject you. :-) We have to be careful because there are some sneaky or confused students out there who try to sign up as mentors. The ideas page will be under tight control after our meeting on Sunday, but it will still be possible to add ideas if you check with folks in #soc-admin or on the GNOME soc-mentors-list first. Thanks for your time, Sandy On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Ruben Vermeersch ru...@savanne.be wrote: Hiya GNOME lovers! It's that time of the year again: Google's Summer of Code is approaching. We are in the midst of preparing it all [1] but we need your help by submitting great project ideas. Student proposals will start to roll in on March 29, but we'd like to make sure there are plenty of projects from them to choose from and have mentors ready to volunteer their time. So what should you do? Please visit [2] and enter your project ideas under the New Untriaged Ideas section. A committee will be formed up later to triage the ideas prior to the opening of the proposal period. If you would like to volunteer your time to mentor but don't have a project idea, surf over and claim one. Mentoring is an awesome way to get more involved with the community and introduce someone to it. If you would like to throw your hat in the ring for the triaging or selection committees and other GSoC related tasks, pop on over to #soc-admin, join the soc-mentors-list and let one of the administrators for the program know you want to be involved in making GNOME rock. This year's administrators are Ruben Vermeersch, Christophe Fergeau and Daniel Siegel (and Sandy Armstrong, for as long as his time doesn't get stolen by the upcoming kid :-)) Cheers, The GNOME Google Summer of Code Administrators [1] http://live.gnome.org/SummerOfCode2010 [2] http://live.gnome.org/SummerOfCode2010/Ideas -- Ruben Vermeersch (rubenv) http://www.savanne.be/ ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-l...@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Speaker Guidelines
Murray: However, I think it is currently an invitation to the same old philosophical discussion every time there's a problem. I think we should state our position clearly, so it doesn't have to be said each time, at the end of a long thread. So I would add this text to the Dealing With Problems section: We are not interested in a debate about whether someone should feel offended. You should avoid offending people even if you do not share their views. We do not consider this to be excessive censorship. It does not stop you from offending outside of the community. I agree with the above additions. However, I would word that last paragraph differently. We do not consider this to be excessive censorship since we are only asking community members to follow these guidelines in GNOME community forums. People are free to dismiss these guidelines or express themselves however they wish outside of GNOME community forums. I only suggest this because saying It does not stop you from offending outside of the community seems to imply that most people have an interest in offending people and will find these guidelines to be restrictive or burdensome. While there may be some people who feel this way, I think the guidelines are mostly common-sense and that most people would agree that they do not wish to offend others in the first place. I doubt that most people will not find them restrictive to follow. Brian ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Speaker Guidelines
On Fri, 2010-03-26 at 13:23 -0500, Brian Cameron wrote: We do not consider this to be excessive censorship. It does not stop you from offending outside of the community. I agree with the above additions. However, I would word that last paragraph differently. We do not consider this to be excessive censorship since we are only asking community members to follow these guidelines in GNOME community forums. People are free to dismiss these guidelines or express themselves however they wish outside of GNOME community forums. That's long. How about: We do not consider this to be excessive censorship. It does not limit your behavior outside of the GNOME community. -- murr...@murrayc.com www.murrayc.com www.openismus.com ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
