A11y Team NOT attending Montreal Summit
Hi Board and Foundation. As I'm sure you are aware, presently there are 0 confirmed, and a much-smaller-than-usual list of tentative attendees for the upcoming Summit. [1] Furthermore, after much deliberation along with consultation with other teams with whom we would like to meet in Montreal, the only thing anyone seems to know for certain is that no one knows for certain who is going to Montreal. Given that the majority of our team is in Europe, travel is expensive, and the Summit nearly here, we felt that we needed to reach a decision. The conclusions from today's team meeting: 1. We will NOT be attending the Montreal Summit. 2. If for some reason a representative from our team is deemed necessary, I shall drive up from New Hampshire. 3. We should share our decision here because others have been asking us for our plans. Take care. --joanie, on behalf of the A11y team [1] https://live.gnome.org/Montreal2011/Participants ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Boston Summit: We're going to Montréal!
Hey! You are in the board now! Good job! Have fun in Montreal! Je me souviens :) On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 7:26 PM, Ryan Lortie wrote: > Hello foundation members, > > Despite some heroic efforts by Colin and Karen, we were unable to > acquire a venue in Cambridge for this year's Boston Summit. > > Fortunately, some kind folks from Collabora jumped in and offered to > help organise the event in Montréal.  We've been furiously phoning > around to hammer out the details over the past couple of days and I'm > happy to announce that it's now official. > > The summit will occur, in Montréal, over the usual Canadian Thanksgiving > (US Columbus Day) long weekend.  Book your tickets now. > > The dates are Saturday October 8 to Monday October 10. > > There was some talk about a Gtk hackfest being co-located with the > summit, but this will not happen. > > The venue for the summit is the Ãcole Polytechnique de Montréal.  The > venue is well served by the Metro (station "Université-de-Montréalâ" on > the blue line).  The hotels are very inexpensive compared to Cambridge > (many available for less than $100/night and almost nothing over $200). > > Montréal Trudeau Airport (YUL) is the natural choice for those arriving > by plane.  Montréal is also about a 5 hour drive from the Boston area. > As of 2009, a passport is required for those entering Canada by car. > > Montréal is a beautiful city with a lot of history.  Anyone who has some > vacation time to burn would be well-advised to stay a few days extra. > > See more information on Wikitravel: http://wikitravel.org/en/Montreal > > A big thank you to Colin Walters and to Collabora for their efforts in > Cambridge and Montréal, respectively. > > Look forward to seeing you all there! > > -- > Ryan Lortie > (on behalf of the board of directors) > > ___ > foundation-announce mailing list > foundation-annou...@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-announce > ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: On git.gnome.org and gitorious
On Thu, 2011-09-15 at 12:25 +0200, Jens Georg wrote: > > > With a gitorious instance set up, we'd achieve both a place for > > > personal branches, stopping the "delete work-in-progress branch from > > > git.gnome.org, then create it again, pushing all commits because I > > > rebased" dance, and a place where it's easier to set up accounts for > > > newcomers (which is a reason why the design work doesn't happen on > > > git.gnome.org). > > > > If we were to change the infrastructure we use for hosting git trees, > > we'd need something more concrete than "wouldn't it be nice". Please > > give us a list of advantages, changes, potential pitfalls, pricing, etc. > > For example, why gitorious and not github? > > I think you misunderstood sth, this is about setting up a private > instance of the gitorious software on gnome servers, not moving > infrastructure to gitorious.org. I understood very well. My point being that the request is very unclear to begin with. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: New Foundation Members & News from the Membership Committee
On Thu, 2011-09-15 at 12:20 +0200, Andrea Veri wrote: > On Wed, 14 Sep 2011, Allan Day wrote: > > Hi, > > > I'm wondering - would it be possible to post these membership > > announcements on the Foundation blog? New members to the Foundation > > are really valuable and it would be great to do more publicity around > > it. > > I think this could be a very nice addition. Any opinion from the Board > about this? > > I can easily send out a post on the Foundation's [1] blog when > there will be additional new members to announce. Makes sense to me. We'll get this discussed on the board. Cheers ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: On git.gnome.org and gitorious
As a dev, I'd welcome such a change for the following reasons: Github/gitorious streamline the collaboration with their publicpersonal branches / merging workflow. Changes from others can happenthere instead of a premature merge in master.Features branches are easier to share for invasive changes thatrequires several eyes pairs. Collaboration can start earlier. The personal activity view is also nice to keep up with all themodules the dev is involved in. Also I feel that having the wiki close to the code helps with findingreferences. Not sure lgo have to switch, though. Finally, I presume gitorious provide a nice admin backend compared tomanual git and user management. Happy coding. On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Frederic Peters wrote: > Hello, > > GNOME migrated to Git two years ago but there are a few long standing > issues that have not been addressed yet, it's certainly not too late > but with the design team moving to github, it's certainly time to do > something about it. > > http://live.gnome.org/GitMigration had it written down already, "For > the future, enable Gitorious or some other Git-based collaboration > tool". Is this something we can handle by ourselves? Or should we, > just like the bugzilla upgrade a few years ago seek the foundation > help to hire someone? [this is why this is posted to foundation-list] > > With a gitorious instance set up, we'd achieve both a place for > personal branches, stopping the "delete work-in-progress branch from > git.gnome.org, then create it again, pushing all commits because I > rebased" dance, and a place where it's easier to set up accounts for > newcomers (which is a reason why the design work doesn't happen on > git.gnome.org). > > Cheers, > > > Fred > > [PS: working on git infrastructure would also be a good opportunity to > fix https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=599066] > ___ > foundation-list mailing list > foundation-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list > -- "If you open your mind too much, you brain will fall out" Tim Minchin ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: On git.gnome.org and gitorious
Hey, On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 7:39 AM, Frederic Peters wrote: > Bastien Nocera wrote: > > > If we were to change the infrastructure we use for hosting git trees, > > we'd need something more concrete than "wouldn't it be nice". Please > > give us a list of advantages, changes, potential pitfalls, pricing, etc. > > For example, why gitorious and not github? > > I had the same questions as Bastien, but thought that probably the more technical discussion should be moved to bugzilla or another list, so probably we should do that, although I don't know which place is the best. A potential pitfall? I have no idea how Gitorious would integrate with > the way we manage accounts in LDAP, and how we'd want it to integrate > even. A possible idea would be doing it like alioth.debian.org does > it, the actual Debian developers are taken from LDAP while other users > can create accounts that won't get past the frontier of that service. > > I was thinking something along the lines of that. > Pricing? Initially I thought we'd be short of capable persons, and > we'd have to resort to hiring someone like we did for the bugzilla > upgrade. I would definitely love if it can be done by community > members. > > Well, this initially should be much easier as importing git repositories is almost as just copy the files from the local server or using git clone, so having a instance of gitorious as test that has a mirror of the gnome git repos should be fairly easy. Other thing would be if we want "upstream" to be the repos in gitorious, meaning are we going to accept merge requests to Gtk+ in Gitorious? if not, probably we can just make mirrors to the repos and use post-commit hooks to keep them update them. Greets José ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: On git.gnome.org and gitorious
Bastien Nocera wrote: > If we were to change the infrastructure we use for hosting git trees, > we'd need something more concrete than "wouldn't it be nice". Please > give us a list of advantages, changes, potential pitfalls, pricing, etc. > For example, why gitorious and not github? This is just following the Git migration plan layed out a few years ago, why was it already suggested back then? Why didn't it happen? Why are designers not using our infrastructure? Why do developers have to host their personal branches elsewhere? I do believe the questions are interesting even without detailed answers, I'll try to give some answers but this is certainly not something than can be done for every details all by myself, after all I am not one of the designers, I do not have an extensive use of git branches, I never installed Gitorious, I do not know the precise configuration of our current Git setup, etc. The major advantage, the reason why I brought the topic, would of course to have GNOME contributors served adequately by the GNOME infrastructure, to get back to actual comments, this would mean easy creation of personal branches and fine grained permission management. Changes? I guess we will want to have a single web interface, meaning that we will want to retire cgit, but at first it would be possible to have both in parallels. I am of the opinion that the current cgit layout is not optimal, look at http://git.gnome.org/browse/jhbuild/ and you get to scroll down one page to get past long obsolete branches and a list of version numbers. Dealing with repositories as we do today, pushing and pulling with ssh wouldn't be affected. A potential pitfall? I have no idea how Gitorious would integrate with the way we manage accounts in LDAP, and how we'd want it to integrate even. A possible idea would be doing it like alioth.debian.org does it, the actual Debian developers are taken from LDAP while other users can create accounts that won't get past the frontier of that service. Pricing? Initially I thought we'd be short of capable persons, and we'd have to resort to hiring someone like we did for the bugzilla upgrade. I would definitely love if it can be done by community members. Last but easiest one, Gitorious and not GitHub because Gitorious is free software. Fred ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: On git.gnome.org and gitorious
> > With a gitorious instance set up, we'd achieve both a place for > > personal branches, stopping the "delete work-in-progress branch from > > git.gnome.org, then create it again, pushing all commits because I > > rebased" dance, and a place where it's easier to set up accounts for > > newcomers (which is a reason why the design work doesn't happen on > > git.gnome.org). > > If we were to change the infrastructure we use for hosting git trees, > we'd need something more concrete than "wouldn't it be nice". Please > give us a list of advantages, changes, potential pitfalls, pricing, etc. > For example, why gitorious and not github? I think you misunderstood sth, this is about setting up a private instance of the gitorious software on gnome servers, not moving infrastructure to gitorious.org. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: New Foundation Members & News from the Membership Committee
On Wed, 14 Sep 2011, Allan Day wrote: Hi, > I'm wondering - would it be possible to post these membership > announcements on the Foundation blog? New members to the Foundation > are really valuable and it would be great to do more publicity around > it. I think this could be a very nice addition. Any opinion from the Board about this? I can easily send out a post on the Foundation's [1] blog when there will be additional new members to announce. Thanks for the great suggestion Alan and have a great day, Andrea [1] http://blogs.gnome.org/foundation/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: On git.gnome.org and gitorious
On Wed, 2011-09-14 at 16:15 +0200, Frederic Peters wrote: > Hello, > > GNOME migrated to Git two years ago but there are a few long standing > issues that have not been addressed yet, it's certainly not too late > but with the design team moving to github, it's certainly time to do > something about it. > > http://live.gnome.org/GitMigration had it written down already, "For > the future, enable Gitorious or some other Git-based collaboration > tool". Is this something we can handle by ourselves? Or should we, > just like the bugzilla upgrade a few years ago seek the foundation > help to hire someone? [this is why this is posted to foundation-list] > > With a gitorious instance set up, we'd achieve both a place for > personal branches, stopping the "delete work-in-progress branch from > git.gnome.org, then create it again, pushing all commits because I > rebased" dance, and a place where it's easier to set up accounts for > newcomers (which is a reason why the design work doesn't happen on > git.gnome.org). If we were to change the infrastructure we use for hosting git trees, we'd need something more concrete than "wouldn't it be nice". Please give us a list of advantages, changes, potential pitfalls, pricing, etc. For example, why gitorious and not github? This is a bit too much like writing a letter to Santa :) Cheers PS: Also, I'm not sure that the foundation list is the best place to discuss such infrastructure changes, unless you're wondering about funding. But you haven't given us a price... > [PS: working on git infrastructure would also be a good opportunity to > fix https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=599066] ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: On git.gnome.org and gitorious
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 11:32:22AM +0200, Gil Forcada wrote: > I would love to have it too. From a installation PoV it's not that > difficult to set up, I done it once on my laptop for testing purposes, > but do we have enough disk space and admins who can do the installation? > Any sysadmin on the list? :) Server stuff (CPU, disk space) should not be a problem. No idea who can install it; not me. -- Regards, Olav ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: On git.gnome.org and gitorious
El dc 14 de 09 de 2011 a les 10:42 -0400, en/na jose.ali...@gmail.com va escriure: > Hi > > On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Frederic Peters > wrote: > Hello, > > GNOME migrated to Git two years ago but there are a few long > standing > issues that have not been addressed yet, it's certainly not > too late > but with the design team moving to github, it's certainly time > to do > something about it. > > http://live.gnome.org/GitMigration had it written down > already, "For > the future, enable Gitorious or some other Git-based > collaboration > tool". Is this something we can handle by ourselves? Or should > we, > just like the bugzilla upgrade a few years ago seek the > foundation > help to hire someone? [this is why this is posted to > foundation-list] > > I can try to help if that's needed, although I am not part of sysadmin > team. Or do you mean there is no enough server infrastructure to have > a gitorious instance? +100! I would love to have it too. From a installation PoV it's not that difficult to set up, I done it once on my laptop for testing purposes, but do we have enough disk space and admins who can do the installation? Any sysadmin on the list? :) Doing a fundraising, as Andreas mentioned would be extremely cool also. And if we could then integrate users from this gitorious with Vinicius Depizzol GSoC some fun and interesting numbers could be raised!!! Cheers, -- Gil Forcada [ca] guifi.net - una xarxa lliure que no para de créixer [en] guifi.net - a non-stopping free network bloc: http://gil.badall.net planet: http://planet.guifi.net ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
