Minutes for the board meeting of November 6th, 2012
wiki: https://live.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/Minutes/20121106 = Minutes for Meeting of November 6th, 2012 = == Next Meeting == * Tuesday, November 20th, 2012 == Attending == * Emmanuele Bassi * Rosanna Yuen * Joanmarie Diggs * Bastien Nocera * Shaun !McCance * Andreas Nilsson * Seif Lotfy * Karen Sandler === Regrets === * Tobias Mueller === Missing === == Board Meeting Agenda == * Future adboard meetings * We need to plan the next adboard meeting. Last meeting was at GUADEC. * When should we have the next meeting? * What topics should we cover? * Ideas for the next campaigns for Friends of GNOME * Newcomer event, Outreach efforts funding * cross-desktop collaboration * report on GNOME OS meeting at GUADEC, Boston Summit, and on the gnome-os-list * Discuss further ideas on the mailing list * When should we have the next adboard face-to-face meeting? * Next round of Women Outreach Program. * Karen sent a summary to the mailing list. * More projects decided to join. * Karen has been exploring sponsorship offers from adboard members and other foundations. * How many students should the Foundation fund? * One student = USD 5000. * Recommendation: 2 students. * We need a rough budget based on the numbers from previous years. * Vote for sponsor two students, with the option for others if the budget allows it: unanimous * The next round will be announced some time around next week. * Fiscal services for projects. * The Foundation now holds the Google Summer of Code money for PulseAudio. * Karen is still waiting for feedback from SourceForge for their incubator project. * Health insurance increase for employees. * Still discussing the issue on the mailing list. * Status of web version of Annual report * '''ACTION''': Emmanuele to send an email to Tobi for the updated list of donors from PayPal. * GNOME GNIGHTS * Meg Ford asked the board for some financial support for their monthly GNOME community meetups in Chicago. * USD 40/event * Provision: blog/wiki reports and sponsor badge * Vote: unanimous * '''ACTION''': Karen to send an email to Meg about the funding of the GNOME GNights. * Friends of GNOME * We have some donors falling through the cracks. * The script automating the extraction of the list of donors should help catch some of the cases. * The board was asked for only having a certificate instead of a gift * Mozilla has a similar certificate. * Next meeting: November 20th, 2012 * Time: 15:00 UTC == Completed Actions == * Bastien to notify the Strasbourg bid of the selection for GUADEC 2014 * Joanie to work with the A11y team to write proposals for using the Mozilla and FoG money == Status of action items == * All directors should discuss the first-response contact for emails * Andreas and Emmanuele to discuss the best approach to publish the Agenda on foundation-list before the board meeting * Andreas - To create a wiki page on the web services accounts holders. * Bastien - To contact the BBC to discuss about possible collaboration in working directly with GNOME. * Bastien - Reach out to the GNOME Advisory Board via email to see if they can help out with providing contacts at Yahoo. * Bastien will research what the status of the Banshee Amazon revenue is and report back to Bertrand Lorentz * Emmanuele - Will audit the current donors and check that everybody received their benefits. * Emmanuele to start a wiki page on the community feedback of GUADEC 2012 * Emmanuele to check the data mined by Tobi from ?PayPal and send it to Andreas * Joanie will send an email to both GNOME and KDE board lists to get us all together on the discussion for a desktop collaboration summit. * Joanie, Seif to go through the board-list archives to categorize the types of contacts and come up with the various areas * Karen - To look into Google Checkout as an annual payment option for FoG. * Karen - To finish the Privacy Policy, get review from James Vasile, etc. * Karen - To continue working with Justin about renewing the old trademarks. * Karen - Will reach out to Mozilla to find advice about negotiating partnerships. * Karen - To continue following up with CiviCRM contractors. * Karen to contact foundation-list to get feedback for CiviCRM * Karen - Develop trademark usage forms for common use cases. James Vasile from legal is working with Brian on this. * This has been done. Will close once the Foundation website is updated, refer to bug #644932. * https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=644932 * Karen - Check records of organizations with existing contracts to use the GNOME trademark. Taken over from Vincent Untz. Look at the archives in 2005 and try to determine which companies can use the GNOME trademark. Know what kind of contracts we had with them. * Karen to investigate alternative solutions for CiviCRM (security,
Re: Minutes for the board meeting of November 6th, 2012
Hi, On 11/20/2012 03:04 PM, Emmanuele Bassi wrote: == Board Meeting Agenda == * Future adboard meetings * We need to plan the next adboard meeting. Last meeting was at GUADEC. * When should we have the next meeting? * What topics should we cover? * Ideas for the next campaigns for Friends of GNOME * Newcomer event, Outreach efforts funding * cross-desktop collaboration * report on GNOME OS meeting at GUADEC, Boston Summit, and on the gnome-os-list * Discuss further ideas on the mailing list * When should we have the next adboard face-to-face meeting? Were there any answers to these questions? I'm not sure if these are minutes, or a CP of the agenda. == Completed Actions == * Bastien to notify the Strasbourg bid of the selection for GUADEC 2014 I haven't seen an announcement of this to guadec-list or foundation-list - is it official that Brno is the 2013 GUADEC location, and Strasbourg is the 2014 location now? If so, would it be possible/advisable to do as LCA does, and have some people from Strasbourg sitting on the organising committee for this year's GUADEC, to learn by observing the organisers what needs to be done? * Shaun - To contact Dave Neary and Ekaterina Gerasimova to get a list of attendees to get feedback for the summit. Can I get a reminder what this was about? Is this the Berlin Desktop Summit? is this still a live action, or can it be dropped? Thanks, Dave. -- Dave Neary, Lyon, France Email: dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Minutes for the board meeting of November 6th, 2012
hi Dave; sorry, nothing to see here, move along. :-P ciao, Emmanuele. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Minutes for the board meeting of November 6th, 2012
hi; On 20 November 2012 14:11, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org wrote: == Board Meeting Agenda == * Future adboard meetings * We need to plan the next adboard meeting. Last meeting was at GUADEC. * When should we have the next meeting? * What topics should we cover? * Ideas for the next campaigns for Friends of GNOME * Newcomer event, Outreach efforts funding * cross-desktop collaboration * report on GNOME OS meeting at GUADEC, Boston Summit, and on the gnome-os-list * Discuss further ideas on the mailing list * When should we have the next adboard face-to-face meeting? Were there any answers to these questions? I'm not sure if these are minutes, or a CP of the agenda. no, there are no answers - those are proposed questions for the adboard meeting. * Shaun - To contact Dave Neary and Ekaterina Gerasimova to get a list of attendees to get feedback for the summit. Can I get a reminder what this was about? Is this the Berlin Desktop Summit? is this still a live action, or can it be dropped? I think this can definitely be dropped; we usually do that during the hand-over between old board and new board at GUADEC, but that probably survived the checks because Shaun is still on the board. ciao, Emmanuele. -- W: http://www.emmanuelebassi.name B: http://blogs.gnome.org/ebassi/ ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Agenda for the board meeting of November 20th, 2012
this is the public agenda for the board meeting of November 20th. * GNOME Accessibility FoG project update * The a11y team have a proposal (2 project areas) on how to spend the funds and needs feedback on that. * Joining the W3C * Accessibility team have discussed the possibility of GNOME joining the W3C in order to have a stake in the emerging standards. * Reports - annual report * Progress of the web version of the Annual Report. * Sysadmin position * We have funding allocated for a sysadmin that we didn't use on our last sysadmin. * Marketing director position * On foundation-list, there have been suggestions about us hiring a marketing director in order to coordinate our messaging. * webkitGTK+ hackfest * 4th annual WebKitGTK+ Hackfest. 17 participants for 4 days. * travel committee * GNOME supporter card * We should put together a GNOME supporter card for one of our donors. * Next adboard meeting * GUADEC 2013 and 2014 announcement/press release -- W: http://www.emmanuelebassi.name B: http://blogs.gnome.org/ebassi/ ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Agenda for the board meeting of November 20th, 2012
Le mardi 20 novembre 2012, à 14:44 +, Emmanuele Bassi a écrit : * Joining the W3C * Accessibility team have discussed the possibility of GNOME joining the W3C in order to have a stake in the emerging standards. For the record, in the past, what we did instead of formally joining the W3C is have some people from our community be invited experts to some working groups (the invited experts can't vote, though). Cheers, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME now
This is why we started the DefectiveByDesign.org. I suggest making GNOME inform users about DefectiveByDesign.org so as to boost the campaign. (People reading this might want to sign up.) How do you propose GNOME should inform users? By displaying the information on the screen in some suitable circumstance such that most users will see it occasionally. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME now
Consume is not the best word to use as you point out. Some works of art are expensive and require financing. Most movies or digital games cost a small fortune to make, for example. DRM may not be the best way for such works to be financed, but it is a popular way used by many average people today. It is a fact that many people use DRM schemes, but that gives them no legitimacy. We are trying to convince people to reject them. We MUST try, not only because DRM denies the users long-established freedoms, but also because the wide use of DRM works against the adoption of free software generally. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME now
On Tue, 2012-11-20 at 09:44 -0800, Lefty wrote: Mr. Stallman thinks [...] Please let's not have personal attacks on the foundation list. The GPL does not prohibit making money; it seeks to prohibit people from profiting by withholding knowledge from others. Let's get back to the questions of how to make the GNOME desktop prod bottoms, as the Americans say, and of how best to communicate the goals to people. Actually I think Richard made a really helpful suggestion - a screen built in to the desktop that explains the goals. Can the desktop by default at least have such a document on it for people to read? Regards, Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME now
Why not just include an About GNOME section in System Settings where we can talk about these sorts of things - about software freedom and what it means. About DRM and why we don't include tools to allow its use, and why free formats like OGG are preferable. We could have multiple tabs: One about GNOME, another about DRM, another about software freedom generally and then a third with copies of the various free software licenses and explanations of them (ie GPL, LGPL, BSD, etc). Emily On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Liam R E Quin l...@holoweb.net wrote: On Tue, 2012-11-20 at 09:44 -0800, Lefty wrote: Mr. Stallman thinks [...] Please let's not have personal attacks on the foundation list. The GPL does not prohibit making money; it seeks to prohibit people from profiting by withholding knowledge from others. Let's get back to the questions of how to make the GNOME desktop prod bottoms, as the Americans say, and of how best to communicate the goals to people. Actually I think Richard made a really helpful suggestion - a screen built in to the desktop that explains the goals. Can the desktop by default at least have such a document on it for people to read? Regards, Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list -- Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. - Goethe Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. - Dr.Seuss Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted. - Albert Einstein ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME now
On Tue, 2012-11-20 at 13:38 -0500, Emily Gonyer wrote: Why not just include an About GNOME section in System Settings It would be a start, but some down sides might be - . administrators locking away access to about gnome . people not thinking to look in a configuration tool for information on the project as a whole. we can talk about these sorts of things - about software freedom and what it means. About DRM and why we don't include tools to allow its use, and why free formats like OGG are preferable. We could have multiple tabs: One about GNOME, another about DRM, another about software freedom generally and then a third with copies of the various free software licenses and explanations of them (ie GPL, LGPL, BSD, etc). This is going in a good direction, as long as it gets simplified after consensus on what to include ;-) It should include other important goals, such as universal access (accessibility, internationalisation, working on as many devices as possible and on lower-end devices)... Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME now
Good point... perhaps make it a seperate app then? Just call it About GNOME that way anytime you open up the applications over view its the first listing. Give it a GNOME foot logo, and write it in Python GTK+3 (or similar basic languages) so its simple to update and edit as needed. On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Liam R E Quin l...@holoweb.net wrote: On Tue, 2012-11-20 at 13:38 -0500, Emily Gonyer wrote: Why not just include an About GNOME section in System Settings It would be a start, but some down sides might be - . administrators locking away access to about gnome . people not thinking to look in a configuration tool for information on the project as a whole. we can talk about these sorts of things - about software freedom and what it means. About DRM and why we don't include tools to allow its use, and why free formats like OGG are preferable. We could have multiple tabs: One about GNOME, another about DRM, another about software freedom generally and then a third with copies of the various free software licenses and explanations of them (ie GPL, LGPL, BSD, etc). This is going in a good direction, as long as it gets simplified after consensus on what to include ;-) It should include other important goals, such as universal access (accessibility, internationalisation, working on as many devices as possible and on lower-end devices)... Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml -- Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. - Goethe Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. - Dr.Seuss Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted. - Albert Einstein ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME now
El 20/11/12 15:26, Liam R E Quin escribió: Actually I think Richard made a really helpful suggestion - a screen built in to the desktop that explains the goals. Can the desktop by default at least have such a document on it for people to read? Regards, Liam Hello, I believe this is indeed a very good suggestion. An attractive pop-up window appearing the first time GNOME starts up might be just the right way to do it, and it would be easy to develop once the text we wish to include is done. I also want to add that Argentina is currently forking debian testing with gnome-shell into a distro called Huayra [1], which will be included in thousands of netbooks provided by the government to students; and they have added a pop-up window like this which explains briefly the differences between free and non-free software, and thus the advantages of free software. [1] http://huayra.conectarigualdad.gob.ar/huayra Warmest regards, -- Nicolás Satragnonsatra...@gnome.org GNOME Spanish translator ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME now
I think it's a great idea to include an About GNOME in the product. However, it's more important for us as a project to know what we are doing and why. If we do the right thing for the audience we are targeting, they will know what and why. On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Liam R E Quin l...@holoweb.net wrote: On Tue, 2012-11-20 at 13:38 -0500, Emily Gonyer wrote: Why not just include an About GNOME section in System Settings It would be a start, but some down sides might be - . administrators locking away access to about gnome . people not thinking to look in a configuration tool for information on the project as a whole. we can talk about these sorts of things - about software freedom and what it means. About DRM and why we don't include tools to allow its use, and why free formats like OGG are preferable. We could have multiple tabs: One about GNOME, another about DRM, another about software freedom generally and then a third with copies of the various free software licenses and explanations of them (ie GPL, LGPL, BSD, etc). This is going in a good direction, as long as it gets simplified after consensus on what to include ;-) It should include other important goals, such as universal access (accessibility, internationalisation, working on as many devices as possible and on lower-end devices)... Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME now
Actually I think Richard made a really helpful suggestion - a screen built in to the desktop that explains the goals. Can the desktop by default at least have such a document on it for people to read? One place to put it is part of an introductory first run tutorial which also explains things like the top left corner, some basic keybindings etc. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME now
O , 2012-11-20 13:48 -0500, Emily Gonyer rakstīja: Good point... perhaps make it a seperate app then? Just call it About GNOME that way anytime you open up the applications over view its the first listing. Give it a GNOME foot logo, and write it in Python GTK+3 (or similar basic languages) so its simple to update and edit as needed. At start it looked like natural part of documentation. Just use yelp and mallard. In the first page of help add link “About GNOME and free software”. -- Rūdolfs Mazurs rudolfs.maz...@gmail.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: newcomer experience survey - REMINDER
Hi all, Thank you to everyone who has participated in the survey. Please complete it by this Friday, November 23 if you haven't done so yet, but started contributing to GNOME after January 2010 and have been active in the last 6 months. We would love for everyone who qualifies to complete this survey. https://limesurvey.sim.vuw.ac.nz/index.php?sid=65151lang=en Thanks! Marina - Original Message - From: Marina Zhurakhinskaya mari...@redhat.com To: foundation-list foundation-list@gnome.org Cc: Kevin Carillo kevin.cari...@vuw.ac.nz Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2012 4:48:05 PM Subject: newcomer experience survey Hi! Kevin Carillo is a Ph.D. student in the School of Information Management at Victoria University of Wellington whose research topic is about the influence of newcomer experience on contributor behaviour and performance in Free and Open Source Software communities. He has put together a really well-researched survey for people who started contributing to GNOME or other projects after January 2010. Please take it if you qualify! It's for technical and non-technical contributors alike! The collected data will be released under a ‘share-alike’ Open Data Commons Open Database License (ODbL) and the published materials about the research will be publicly available. The results of this research will be of great interest to everyone in Free and Open Source Software and your response would help ensure that we have a comprehensive set of data about newcomer experiences in GNOME. Survey link: https://limesurvey.sim.vuw.ac.nz/index.php?sid=65151lang=en More about the survey: http://kevincarillo.org/survey-invitation Thank you! Marina ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME now
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 1:48 PM, Emily Gonyer emilyyr...@gmail.com wrote: Good point... perhaps make it a seperate app then? Just call it About GNOME that way anytime you open up the applications over view its the first listing. Give it a GNOME foot logo, and write it in Python GTK+3 (or similar basic languages) so its simple to update and edit as needed. I like the app idea, particularly in Python and GTK3. Add in getext internationalization and those of us in the Sugar / OLPC downstream will either Sugarize it as an activity or have it run on the GNOME boot of the Sugar/GNOME dual-boot OLPC builds for millions of XO laptops. There is actually a long standing ticket in the OLPC Trac from John Gilmore requesting the development of a free software educational bundle. It may be hard to teach old dogs new tricks, but if you raise the next generation on free software and educate them about it , they will be digitally born free as users and creators of software tools. If someone would like to write up the idea on the Sugar Labs wiki [1], [2] and then register to mentor it [3] we can turn this into a Google Code-In task. cjl Sugar Labs Translation Team Coordinator. [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Google_Code-In_2012 [2] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/GoogleCodeIn2012/GCI2012_Brainstorming [3] http://www.google-melange.com/gci/homepage/google/gci2012 ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Agenda for the board meeting of November 20th, 2012
Bonjour Vincent :-) Thanks a lot for your valuable input! On 20.11.2012 15:59, Vincent Untz wrote: For the record, in the past, what we did instead of formally joining the W3C is have some people from our community be invited experts to some working groups Do you have more details on that? Like when about that was and how that happened? Thanks, Tobi signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Agenda for the board meeting of November 20th, 2012
Le mercredi 21 novembre 2012, à 02:03 +0100, Tobias Mueller a écrit : Bonjour Vincent :-) Thanks a lot for your valuable input! On 20.11.2012 15:59, Vincent Untz wrote: For the record, in the past, what we did instead of formally joining the W3C is have some people from our community be invited experts to some working groups Do you have more details on that? Like when about that was and how that happened? There was some discussion in January 2006 about the SVG working group, for instance. We got someone from Inkscape invited as an expert in this WG. That's probably the part I remember. I also know that Daniel Veillard is (or at least was, at that time) an invited expert for the XML working group. In general we do know people at the W3C or in the relevant W3C working groups, so we can simply reach out to them to know what's the best way to contribute, and how to do so. Cheers, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
