Re: Links that recommend running nonfree JS code.
Define Many ? I personally support FSF's ethics in principle, please don't speak for all of us. On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 2:58 AM, Nimit Shah nimit.sv...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Magdalen, I agree with Meg. Many of us don't share the same ethics as FSF and that is the reason why we don't have much to contribute to over here. Nimit Shah On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 12:44 AM, meg ford meg...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Magdalen, On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 11:50 AM, Magdalen Berns m.be...@thismagpie.com wrote: This makes perfect sense to me. At the moment I am not totally convinced that the rest of the community are on board with what you have said though. It is not clear whether or not people understand the nuances of how you are defining things or whether there may even be so fundamental political/ethical differences of agreement (or some mix of both). It would be useful to have some more clarity on that so we all know whether any of this is actionable at this stage, I think. Generally I think that the people who are not on board understand what is being discussed and simply disagree with certain aspects of it. I know that is the case with me. I contribute to FOSS, etc, but I do not always share the same ethics as the FSF. My impression is that that is common. We could have a discussion about it, but I don't know that having such a discussion via an email list would be constructive. Cheers, Meg ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Links that recommend running nonfree JS code.
Hi Magdalen, I agree with Meg. Many of us don't share the same ethics as FSF and that is the reason why we don't have much to contribute to over here. Nimit Shah On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 12:44 AM, meg ford meg...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Magdalen, On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 11:50 AM, Magdalen Berns m.be...@thismagpie.com wrote: This makes perfect sense to me. At the moment I am not totally convinced that the rest of the community are on board with what you have said though. It is not clear whether or not people understand the nuances of how you are defining things or whether there may even be so fundamental political/ethical differences of agreement (or some mix of both). It would be useful to have some more clarity on that so we all know whether any of this is actionable at this stage, I think. Generally I think that the people who are not on board understand what is being discussed and simply disagree with certain aspects of it. I know that is the case with me. I contribute to FOSS, etc, but I do not always share the same ethics as the FSF. My impression is that that is common. We could have a discussion about it, but I don't know that having such a discussion via an email list would be constructive. Cheers, Meg ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Links that recommend running nonfree JS code.
Hi Magdalen, On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 11:50 AM, Magdalen Berns m.be...@thismagpie.com wrote: This makes perfect sense to me. At the moment I am not totally convinced that the rest of the community are on board with what you have said though. It is not clear whether or not people understand the nuances of how you are defining things or whether there may even be so fundamental political/ethical differences of agreement (or some mix of both). It would be useful to have some more clarity on that so we all know whether any of this is actionable at this stage, I think. Generally I think that the people who are not on board understand what is being discussed and simply disagree with certain aspects of it. I know that is the case with me. I contribute to FOSS, etc, but I do not always share the same ethics as the FSF. My impression is that that is common. We could have a discussion about it, but I don't know that having such a discussion via an email list would be constructive. Cheers, Meg ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Links that recommend running nonfree JS code.
Hi, At this stage, I regretfully have urge anyone who would preference lashing out on twitter with their frustrations about the existence of this thread, to consider engaging in a reasoned way on this dedicated thread about their concerns. Whist throwing bigotry at me may seem like the easiest way to end this discussion without fuss, it is not so. I tried to view a page on Facebook, which is a posting about a political issue. I used wget as usual, and all I got was something telling me to log in first. Meanwhile, you reported It seems can actually technically view the page without being logged in which is a good thing, but it seems that this is only possible when the offending javascript is not being blocked. which is consistent with what I observed. Thanks for confirming. I think the proper rule is that a link to a page on Facebook is ok provided it can be viewed without running nonfree JS code and without logging in. Indeed, I would suggest that as the basic condition for acceptable links to any site. If the purpose of the link is to suggest people look at the contents of the page, then the link is ok provided people can see the contents without identifying themselves and without running nonfree software. This makes perfect sense to me. At the moment I am not totally convinced that the rest of the community are on board with what you have said though. It is not clear whether or not people understand the nuances of how you are defining things or whether there may even be so fundamental political/ethical differences of agreement (or some mix of both). It would be useful to have some more clarity on that so we all know whether any of this is actionable at this stage, I think. In the special cases where the purpose of the link is something else (such as to donate), then it needs to be judged according to that purpose. One reason I suggested we change the subject onto links in general is because I had not expected you to be so willing to concede it would be possible to find a compromise about builder. I am delighted you have been able to prove me wrong about that. I have found a simple way to publish an indiGoGo for builder on the GNOME website as an iframe. I am not sure if that is what they want but I sent some code so that it could be added to the wordpress. indiGoGo don't seem to have an API on offer so the total can be queried and updated on a banner easily another method so I am hoping this way would be just as well.[1] What do you think? Magdalen [1] https://support.indiegogo.com/hc/en-us/articles/527366-How-to-Add-a-Widget-to-your-Blog ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
