Re: Minutes from the board meetings
2009/6/8 Stormy Peters sto...@gnome.org: The minutes from most of the GNOME Foundation Board of Directors' meetings have now been posted at: http://live.gnome.org/FoundationBoardPublic/Minutes Excellent, thank you. Does that mean the board has only held three meetings this year as only 3 MOMs are listed for 2009? The rest will be posted tomorrow. Please feel free to post any questions here for discussion. (I am debating posting the contents of the minutes to the list one-by-one for discussion/transparency but I don't really want to spam the list either ...) Sounds like a good idea to me. -- mvh Björn ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: What do you think of the foundation?
2009/5/29 Philip Van Hoof pvanh...@gnome.org: The problem would be that this was possible. However, let me quote you the bottom of planet.gnome.org: Quote: - Planet GNOME is a window into the world, work and lives of GNOME - hackers and contributors. - - Blog entries aggregated on this page are owned by, and represent the - opinion of the author. I'd agree that the last paragraph should probably go to the top of the page, to make it more clear. And perhaps we should make it bold too. Is planet.gnome.org managed by the Foundation? I thought that site still was Jeff Waugh's baby. -- mvh Björn ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Call for hosts for GUADEC 2009
I fully agree. We think that the actions of the gnome foundation has a profound impact on the world, that the choice of venue is important. That holding the conference in morocco lends the moroccian *regime* credibility it does not deserve. 2008/4/22, Behdad Esfahbod [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 19:03 +, BJörn Lindqvist wrote: On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Behdad Esfahbod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: About GUADEC out of Europe, that's fine as long as the place is Ok for travel. Bangalore has the same problem that US has. Too far... That said, I love to see GUADEC '11 in Morocco for example... I wouldn't. GNOME is all about creating more freedom, Morocco is all about taking away those freedoms. It would seem weird if the conference was hosted in a country so diametrically opposed to what GNOME stands for. That and the burning summer heat. :) GNOME is People. Do you have any evidence that the Moroccan *people* are opposed to the values GNOME stands for? We think we in GNOME have a great thing to offer, and any person on this planet deserves being part of this the same as any other one. Those people have an oppressing regime, ignore them is not a really compelling idea to me. -- behdad http://behdad.org/ Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 -- mvh Björn ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Call for hosts for GUADEC 2009
Usa isn't the only country in North America. Maybe Canada or Mexico has less strict rules about visas? It is not hard to imagine that the Americans might feel that it is a little unfair that guadec always is in Europe. Couldn't there be two conferences? 2008/4/22, Behdad Esfahbod [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 13:17 -0400, Og Maciel wrote: Hi there, As I'd love to see GUADEC (as well as Akademy) being hosted in North Carolina, and as this is not an official bid, I was wondering if there is anyone interested in helping/coaching me? I don't have any experience with this kind of activity, but I do know a lot of people and we have big companies around the area such as Red Hat, IBM, rPath as well as most of the Foresight Linux developers. Anyone want to adopt me? Hi Og, There are two main issues with having GUADEC in the US: - The Big Pond. It's just more travel to fly everyone to the US. - US visa. It's a real issue. It's not a predictable and fast process like most European countries are. It literally takes months to get a US visa for those of us that need one. And many people going to GUADEC need one. For those reasons, I don't think having GUADEC in the US is practical as of now. Things of course may change in the future. Cheers, -- behdad http://behdad.org/ Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list -- mvh Björn ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Call for hosts for GUADEC 2009
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Behdad Esfahbod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: About GUADEC out of Europe, that's fine as long as the place is Ok for travel. Bangalore has the same problem that US has. Too far... That said, I love to see GUADEC '11 in Morocco for example... I wouldn't. GNOME is all about creating more freedom, Morocco is all about taking away those freedoms. It would seem weird if the conference was hosted in a country so diametrically opposed to what GNOME stands for. That and the burning summer heat. :) -- mvh Björn ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME dependent on Mono
On Nov 29, 2007 3:13 PM, Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 29, 2007 8:31 AM, BJörn Lindqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 29, 2007 1:33 PM, Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll second this. The fact:fiction ratio of boycottnovell is just incredibly, incredibly bad. RMS message read If part of it is not accurate, I hope someone will explain. Do you care to sort out what is fact and what is fiction? Jeff has ably debunked this particular fiction already in the thread, and more generally ably debunked the FUD that Novell somehow controls the Foundation. As to the rest, I have better things to do with my life than to debunk the rest of boycottnovell post-by-post. No. The boycottnovell site and the OP alluded to that there would be moral, philosophical and or legal problems with GNOME depending on Mono and or C#. Is that fact or is it fiction? -- mvh Björn ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME Foundation Statement on ECMA TC45-M Participation
On Nov 24, 2007 8:27 PM, Jeff Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no neutral game being played here. Concerns were raised that the GNOME Foundation's participation in EMCA TC45-M suggested that we supported OOXML becoming an ISO standard. Thus, the answer was simple: We do not. Well except that our representative on that committee supports OOXML becoming an ISO standard... Please stop the charade, getting involved in the process was a stupid mistake to begin with and continuing to do it while the hypocrisy shines through is just boneheaded. How on earth can offering constructive criticism, feedback and helping develop a specification NOT be supporting it?? -- mvh Björn ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Who would be a good member? [Was: About the coming election]
On Nov 7, 2007 10:00 AM, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay There has to be a strong movement towards telling GNOME contributors that there's no magical halo that entitles them to a place on the Foundation other than the willingness to put in hours to make it a better place for all. What does magical halo mean? The list of criterias at http://foundation.gnome.org/membership/ seem to be pretty clear. -- mvh Björn ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Can we improve things?
On 9/12/07, Jeff Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm just not going to get caught up in all this alarmism about censorship. I can't imagine why anyone would think I could get away with actual censorship of Planet... it would be laughable if it wasn't so mean spirited. It is not true, but it is not laughable. I don't for a second doubt that you do not censor planet.gnome.org. But many months ago I emailed you and asked to get my blog syndicated. I never got any reply and left it as that because I didn't care very strongly about it and my blog isn't that good anyway. One could speculate why one doesn't receive any reply: 1. Jeff gets so many mail each day that he forgot about it. 2. The mail got lost in the spam filter. 3. Jeff doesn't like you. 4. Jeff doesn't like your blog. 5. Jeff doesn't like your politics. 6. Neither you nor your blog is elite enough. 7. planet.gnome.org in an old boys club. Of those, only 1 and 2 are really plausible. But there is *no way to know that*. Which is why you people resort to speculations which is why this whole thread started. Which is why a transparent process is really really important. Requests should be handled through bugzilla because then everyone can see that it is all open and all allegations about nepotism is totally unfounded. Oh, and I don't believe the argument that feelings might get hurt if someone is publicly rejected. If someones ego is so fragile that it breaks by being rejected from syndication, one must ask why you're publishing a blog for the world to see in the first place? planet.gnome.org is an important source of gnome related news and understandably, not everyone can belong. Not that I think very many would be rejected in an open system. It's not like people would apply unless they actually are interested in and writing about GNOME and free software. -- mvh Björn ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
