Re: projects-old.gnome.org being discontinued
On Thu, 2018-12-06 at 22:42 +0100, Andrea Veri wrote: > . Do you see any value in > keeping those URLs around even if they're historical and not relevant > since several years? There's intertwined questions here... * the old URLs should continue to resolve to useful resources, even if they are not the resources [1]. Don't break links. * the old project information may have historical value, and there may well be people still using the old versions of the software. “Not relavant” depends on context. But maybe they the files are accessible through archive.org. * there's information about each of the projects on the main "ancient" project-old cover page which is not duplicated on the newest pages; it's probably out of date, but adding the information to the page listing all the projects would surely be a large benefit. So i'd say, wait until you hear from the engagement team about plans to automate the list of projects (or whatever), and then put HTTP redirects in place, or a script that tries to find the best match, or redirect them all to a page that says they've gone away, says how to find both the newest versions and maybe also suggests how to find the old source code. Even that projects-old page wasn't complete in that it dropped some gnome 1 projects, and the world didn't end :) so i'm not saying keep everything around forever, and i'm glad you sent mail asking for comments. i've probably used more of your time than it's worth, now :) thanks for replying. Liam (ankh) > -- Liam Quin - web slave for https://www.fromoldbooks.org/ with fabulous vintage art and fascinating texts to read. Click here to have the slave whipped with warm noodles. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: projects-old.gnome.org being discontinued
On Thu, 2018-12-06 at 12:31 +0100, Andrea Veri wrote: > Liam, > > no, I really meant projects-old.gnome.org which as I described on my > original e-mail was the pre-2013 projects page we had running before > transitioning to the new wiki.g.o based projects listing. Yes, i understood that. Sorry if i wasn't clear. > I believe the engagement team was looking > into possible new ways to unify projects listing into one single > view, not sure what's the status there though. Then i'd suggest holding off until you know, because redirecting the old page to a new mechanism would make the most sense. As i said, there's lots of links to projects-old.gnome.org. Liam > > cheers, > Il giorno mer 5 dic 2018 alle ore 21:10 Liam R E Quin > ha scritto: > > On Wed, 2018-12-05 at 11:22 +0100, Andrea Veri wrote: > > > Hey, > > > > > > the projects-old website [1] was decided to be left around in > > > 2013 > > > right after transitioning projects pages to the GNOME's wiki > > > (projects.g.o is a vhost that contains a set of redirects since > > > then) > > > > i think you mean projects.gnome.org, right? > > > > That seems to be a lot less complete, and also just has project > > names > > and not explanations. So there's (out of date) information being > > lost. > > > > There are also a lot of external links to the page, so you'll break > > a > > lot of links (and, for what it's worth, hurt gnome.org's search > > ranking > > a little in the process). But this could be mitigated with an HTTP > > redirect to a page telling people how to find what they might have > > wanted. > > > > > for a short period of time while the transition was happening. I > > > believe it's now a good time (after 5+ years!) to retire the > > > former > > > website all together. > > > > If it goes, it might be helpful to add short descriptions to > > projects.gnome.org, although that would mean a bunch of work of > > course. > > The (current) wiki pages are not organized enough to make this a > > question of easy scraping so maybe the answer is to automate > > something > > that grabs the page title from the linked pages, and encourage > > project > > maintaners to edit their wiki pages as needed? > > > > On the other hand it's fun exploring the page to find out what > > things > > are :) > > > > The new page is much better overall, even without descriptions, > > because > > of the division into categories. > > > > Liam (irc::ankh) > > > > > > -- > > Liam Quin - web slave for https://www.fromoldbooks.org/ > > with fabulous vintage art and fascinating texts to read. > > Click here to have the slave beaten. > > > > -- Liam Quin - web slave for https://www.fromoldbooks.org/ with fabulous vintage art and fascinating texts to read. Click here to have the slave beaten. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: projects-old.gnome.org being discontinued
On Wed, 2018-12-05 at 11:22 +0100, Andrea Veri wrote: > Hey, > > the projects-old website [1] was decided to be left around in 2013 > right after transitioning projects pages to the GNOME's wiki > (projects.g.o is a vhost that contains a set of redirects since then) i think you mean projects.gnome.org, right? That seems to be a lot less complete, and also just has project names and not explanations. So there's (out of date) information being lost. There are also a lot of external links to the page, so you'll break a lot of links (and, for what it's worth, hurt gnome.org's search ranking a little in the process). But this could be mitigated with an HTTP redirect to a page telling people how to find what they might have wanted. > for a short period of time while the transition was happening. I > believe it's now a good time (after 5+ years!) to retire the former > website all together. If it goes, it might be helpful to add short descriptions to projects.gnome.org, although that would mean a bunch of work of course. The (current) wiki pages are not organized enough to make this a question of easy scraping so maybe the answer is to automate something that grabs the page title from the linked pages, and encourage project maintaners to edit their wiki pages as needed? On the other hand it's fun exploring the page to find out what things are :) The new page is much better overall, even without descriptions, because of the division into categories. Liam (irc::ankh) -- Liam Quin - web slave for https://www.fromoldbooks.org/ with fabulous vintage art and fascinating texts to read. Click here to have the slave beaten. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Appeal for changes to GNOME [was: My Letter to Withdraw Membership from the GNOME Foundation]
On Sun, 2018-03-18 at 16:46 +0800, Tong Hui wrote: > Good news that you stay with us! Yes our goal is solving problem, not > just leave them there and withdrawing. Sorry that I modify your > subject. Yes, I was very pleased to see the second letter. It takes strength to apologise in public in that way and to stay. As for specific features such as icons on the desktop, transparent terminal backgrounds, control over the animation speed of the panel, spatial file browser, some of these go away and some come back agin over the years as people learn what works and what doesn't. You have to look past the initial reactions of "this is different do I don't like it" and that can be hard. Actually for quite a long time there was a choice in vanilla gnome between having a desktop background image and having icons, you couldn't have both. Maybe it'd be interesting to have a "show desktop with icons" gesture, like the gesture that gets you to the pseudo-mac dock today to start programs. Welcome back, Mingcong. -- Liam Quin - web slave for https://www.fromoldbooks.org/ with fabulous vintage art and fascinating texts to read. Click here to have the slave beaten. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Code of Conduct Adoption Process
On Mon, 2016-09-12 at 12:07 -0700, Nuritzi Sanchez wrote: > proposing to draw up a standard code of conduct for GNOME events. You could maybe start with the libregraphicsmeeting.org policy, http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/lgm/public-documentation/code-of-conduc t/ Liam -- Liam R. E. Quin <l...@holoweb.net> W3C XML Activity lead ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Question to candidates: Best use of Trademark Fundraiser money?
On Sun, 2015-05-24 at 21:52 +0100, Magdalen Berns wrote: Hi Andreas, I think most of us haven't seen latest the accounts yet, but I think it's probably fair to assume that a war chest of ~$100,000 is probably a wee bit excessive. ;-) It doesn't sound like a lot of money to me. It's probably not enough to fight a single trademark case in court in the US - you'd need two or three times as much money [1, 2]. Regards, Liam [1] http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2013/05/23/trademark-protection-is-litigation-worth-the-cost/ [2] http://tcattorney.typepad.com/ip/2011/05/trademark-infringement-lawsuits.html -- Liam R. E. Quin l...@holoweb.net http://www.fromoldbooks.org/ ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME and Ubuntu GNOME
On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 08:57:19 -0500 Michael Catanzaro mcatanz...@gnome.org wrote: [...] Whereas the versions of your applications can probably vary without TOO much trouble, you should only ever update core components like gnome-shell, gnome-settings-daemon, and gnome-control-center at the same time. gnome-tweak-tool is another one where something is likely to break if not upgraded in lockstep. How could they be made more robust against this sort of problem? These communicate over unstable D-Bus interfaces and assume they're communicating with the corresponding version of the other components. Why don't they ask, and refuse to run if they depend on the other parts so closely. But in that case what's the advantage of using dbus? It's already a pain for users that things like themes and shell extensions are so closely tied to the gnome-shell version, but at least they just refuse to load rather than breaking in unpredictable ways. -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Proposal: DNS change irc.gnome.org becomes A record and irc.gimpnet.org starts getting phased out.
On Sat, 2013-05-11 at 01:27 +0900, Tristan Van Berkom wrote: Would you like to join a community where everything you say is under strict scrutiny ? where you cannot freely express yourself in your blog without being really careful to make all of your comments gender neutral and politically correct ? Or would you prefer to join a community where you're made fun of on a routine basis, mocked, ridiculed, made to feel like shit, because you were born with one leg shorter than the other, or you were in a bomb blast and got injured? What if we start jabber.gnomefags.com? or a message that says, It's gone Dutch when a device can't be mounted? Because some undergraduate thought it was funny in their dorm room to throw stones out of the window at the people who have to walk slowly. You can express yourself in your blog as freely as you like, subject to local laws, but if you claim to -- or are seen to -- represent the GNOME project as a whole then yes, you have a responsibility to be respectful of others in that context. The problem is the way labels are used in some cultures as a way to exclude and discriminate against people - a practice that's so entrenched in US (and UK) culture (for example) that there are laws about it. This may be a cultural difference itself that doesn't translate into all other languages, I'm not sure. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Proposal: DNS change irc.gnome.org becomes A record and irc.gimpnet.org starts getting phased out.
On Thu, 2013-05-09 at 13:28 -0500, meg ford wrote: As a native English speaker I can verify that the term it is indeed a problem. The GIMP, however, is widely used by people I know who don't even know what Free Software is. Changing its name could have pretty negative consequences for their project I would imagine No-one is asking the GIMP to change its name (at least not in this thread). This is about renaming the IRC network for the GNOME project as a whole from gimpnet to gnome.net. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Proposal: DNS change irc.gnome.org becomes A record and irc.gimpnet.org starts getting phased out.
On Wed, 2013-05-08 at 10:02 -0700, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: We are looking into changing our irc server name from irc.gimpnet.org to irc.gnome.org and looking for feedback. I think it's a good idea and support it. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Proposal: DNS change irc.gnome.org becomes A record and irc.gimpnet.org starts getting phased out.
On Wed, 2013-05-08 at 10:53 -0700, Germán Póo-Caamaño wrote: Although, GIMP is an acronym I was not aware that connotation of gimp (as a non-English speaker I am not aware of many words either). It's offensive enough that I can't easily talk about it in a work context, which is unfortunate as I'm involved in digital publishing standards. Cross-culture work is often difficult. With due respect, I think it is a coincidence. Bad coincidence. Yes, GIMP was named after a character in a movie, by people whose first language was not English and who didn't know it was pejorative. [...] I think we can promote irc.gnome.org, but I do not think it is our call to remove any domain or subdomain associated with GIMP project. Did you ask to GIMP folks what do they think? It's up to the GNOME project to decide if a name is acceptable as part of GNOME. A term might sound perfectly acceptable in one environment and not another (terms like black and coloured, oriental and asian, latino and spic come to my mind as examples). Sometimes context makes it OK, and for example I can talk about the GIMP image editor in technical committee work, but I wouldn't wear a GIMP tee-shirt (even though I have one) at a business event where an InkscapeL tee-shirt might be just fine :-) But an international project doesn't have that option as easily, because it's seen everywhere. Anyway, if you make the change, you should change irc.ca.gimp.org, irc.us.gimp.org and irc.au.gimp.org as well. Yes. And, as you note, the change would take longer to happen in things like xchat connect menus. But it won't happen if it's not started :) Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Want to review a book about GNOME 3?
On Thu, 2013-03-07 at 23:35 +0200, alex diavatis wrote: I was wondering if you have to encouraging anyone to buy a book about GNOME from anywhere, and not just Amazon. There are so many people that work without a profit, why you should promote something sell-able only? Free (no price) is not the same as Freedom. A lot of people like to work from a printed book. It would be appropriate if the content of such a book were also available e.g. under a creative commons share-alike licence, or under the FSF documentation license. I do not know whether that's the case here or not. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME now
On Tue, 2012-11-27 at 17:06 -0800, Jeremy Allison wrote: On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Richard Stallman r...@gnu.org wrote: GNU/Linux is mostly used on PCs, but we want it to be used on tablets and phones too. Thus, making GNOME work well on those machines is useful. However, until the day people prefer to do programming on a tablet, the desktop will remain important. Is the GNU system for programmers only ? I doubt that is what you mean. I'm sure it isn't. The software for the mobile devices has to be written by programmers. If the programmers write the software on desktop computers then we want them to be using GNOME while they do it. If programmers have to use some other desktop environment when writing the application, they'll want to have that same environment on their mobile devices, and that will have an impact on GNOME's usage. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME now
On Tue, 2012-11-20 at 09:44 -0800, Lefty wrote: Mr. Stallman thinks [...] Please let's not have personal attacks on the foundation list. The GPL does not prohibit making money; it seeks to prohibit people from profiting by withholding knowledge from others. Let's get back to the questions of how to make the GNOME desktop prod bottoms, as the Americans say, and of how best to communicate the goals to people. Actually I think Richard made a really helpful suggestion - a screen built in to the desktop that explains the goals. Can the desktop by default at least have such a document on it for people to read? Regards, Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME now
On Tue, 2012-11-20 at 13:38 -0500, Emily Gonyer wrote: Why not just include an About GNOME section in System Settings It would be a start, but some down sides might be - . administrators locking away access to about gnome . people not thinking to look in a configuration tool for information on the project as a whole. we can talk about these sorts of things - about software freedom and what it means. About DRM and why we don't include tools to allow its use, and why free formats like OGG are preferable. We could have multiple tabs: One about GNOME, another about DRM, another about software freedom generally and then a third with copies of the various free software licenses and explanations of them (ie GPL, LGPL, BSD, etc). This is going in a good direction, as long as it gets simplified after consensus on what to include ;-) It should include other important goals, such as universal access (accessibility, internationalisation, working on as many devices as possible and on lower-end devices)... Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
new people [was: Re: Og Maciel left the GNOME Foundation Membership Committee]
On Fri, 2012-11-16 at 15:57 +0100, Andrea Veri wrote: The GNOME Foundation Membership Committee is welcoming two new members: - Federico Mena Quintero - Fabiana Pedreira Simoes Congratulations, thank you, and welcome to both of you! Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME now
On Wed, 2012-11-14 at 18:26 -0600, Brian Cameron wrote: this advanced UNIX-hacker type does not seem to be the primary user GNOME is focusing on anymore. An open source environment needs to attract four main types of people if it's going to remain viable - 1. programmers, to work on it 2. system administrators and packagers, to get it distributed, to make sure it fits in well with other systems 3. evangelists, to tell other people about it, to write tutorials, to twist the developers' arms or confiscate their shoes until the environment is appealing... 4. its target user base, which has to include 1-3 above. Very few people use a system because of its licence; they choose a system and maybe then check that the licence is acceptable to them. That doesn't mean the licence is unimportant, of course. The GNOME desktop needs to be the best (or at least a very good) environment for people developing applications and for running Web browsers... Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Looking for community managers or enthusiasts!
On Wed, 2012-11-14 at 11:38 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote: On Tue, 2012-11-13 at 16:07 -0800, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: I'm looking for some charismatic, happy GNOME folks who can help engage with our community. This is a good idea, along with building up resources describing goals. I hope it's slightly better handled than Emily last 2 posts, Communication will need to be both ways - outward from developers and people heavily involved in gnome, and back inwards from the outside. It's usually more important to give a clear and correct message (and to be seen to do so) than to quick to respond. If speed is important, a response on a blog (say) saying, we are aware of these comments and will respond in more detail later can be enough at times. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: A few observations about GIMPNET
On Fri, 2012-10-05 at 09:21 -0400, Allan Day wrote: It would be great to be able to run something like Bip [1] for GNOME IRC. Note, it's of course NOT OK to publish public logs of IRC channels (or any other discussion forum) unless ALL the participants understand that this will happen and agree to it. Obviously it's fine to keep logs for your own purposes. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml Co-author, 5th edition of Beginning XML, Wrox, July 2012 ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: A few observations about GIMPNET
On Thu, 2012-10-04 at 18:02 -0700, Germán Póo-Caamaño wrote: [...] FWIW, I would like us to have public IRC logs. But if a hacker (or group of them) have privacy concern, we should not dismiss it because IRC is already public. +1 We have public logged IRC channels at work, but... (1) people need to know this (e.g. a channel greet message) (2) there has to be a way to say things off the record, e.g. by prefixing what you say with [off]; at work we generally use actions (/me) for that, but I prefer [off] for public channels (3) the logs should not reveal people's full IP addresses or identity. People need to be able to join the channel, see that it's logged, and leave. (4) it may be appropriate for the log not to become public in real time - e.g. I've encountered a case of someone being stalked based on when they signed off. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml Co-author, 5th edition of Beginning XML, Wrox, July 2012 -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Questionnaire on motivation analysis of open source and open content
On Thu, 2012-02-23 at 16:26 -0600, Bryen M Yunashko wrote: [..] Has anyone come up with a comprehensive list of one-to-one functions of non-free services and free? This is the wrong way round. Don't want to imply, if you like this wonderful proprietary solution, here's a libre one that's almost as good. Instead the list should be, If you want to do _this_ use _this_. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Could a few influential GNOME develoers join gnu-prog-disc...@gnu.org?
On Wed, 2012-01-18 at 17:32 -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: [...] The standards made by POSIX, ISO and freedesktop.org are suggestions. They carry some weight because users typically appreciate compatibility with standards. But that's not the only thing users appreciate, so a standard is not a command for us to obey. In some cases and environments, standards may also be mandated by governments and legal systems, or by contracts, and then do need to be followed with especial care. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Readability publisher sign-up for *.gnome.org
On Thu, 2011-08-25 at 17:57 +0100, Will Thompson wrote: Hi, I've been experimenting with Readability https://www.readability.com for a couple of months. It's a web service that reformats web pages for easier reading, and—if you pay for it—maintains a TODO list of those nicely-formatted pages for later reading. (Sadly, it's not Free.) So we should not use it. However, if we can improve the readability and useability of our Web site and the information we write and make available, we should do so. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org www.advogato.org ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Accessibility liaisons [was: Re: Meeting Minutes Published - November 11, 2010]
On Fri, 2010-12-17 at 18:32 +0100, Dave Neary wrote: Hi, Juanjo Marin wrote: Is there already any page with a list organizations ? We can work it out in a dossier about what is GNOME and about a11y GNOME tecnologies. Not that I know of. I just started one in the wiki. http://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/HandicapAssociations You might want to add teh W3C Web Accessibility Initiative - http://www.w3.org/WAI/ Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org www.advogato.org ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Meeting Minutes Published - November 11, 2010
On Thu, 2010-12-16 at 16:52 -0800, Fernando Herrera wrote: On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Ben Konrath b...@bagu.org wrote: The feedback I received was a similar story; the potential funders seemed only interested in an applications that would serve their users who primarily use Windows. Obviously this will be an issue when searching for funding for GNOME a11y projects - especially new projects that don't have an established group of users like Caribou. What about showing them the benefits of GNOME/Free software? We should try to get some talking points about what we can offer like: - It's Free software - It cost no money - We have better i18n - We are have X feature that is lacking in propietary solutions - We are doing Y better All of these are strong points. Assistive technology for Microsoft Windows often has an annual subscription fee, and people who need such help often have low-paying jobs or no job at all. On the other hand, it *does* mean ensuring accessible installers and administration tools, and possibly having an organization to help caregivers. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org www.advogato.org ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Non-Free JavaScript
On Sat, 2010-03-06 at 05:29 -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: [...] Javascript programs are not necessarily bad, but if browsers temporarily install them silently without checking whether they are free, that systematically leads users to run nonfree software without knowing it. That raises an interesting point - there's no standard way to mark a licence on a fragment of JavaScript, neither included in an HTML or XML document nor if downloaded separately, at least as far as I can tell. Is that something we (W3C) should take up? Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org www.advogato.org ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Non-Free JavaScript
On Sun, 2010-03-07 at 21:50 +0100, Goran Rakic wrote: Dana Ned, 7 Mart, 2010 21:32 , narendra sisodiya je napisao/ Every JavaScript Developer must be instructed to declare global variable (var LicenseInfo = [gplv3, mit] ) in their first line of JavaScript file. There is no standard to do this in C or C++ either. I do not see a reason why JavaScript should differ. JavaScript can be blocked and white listed if one is worried not to run non-free software. Because most people don't let Web browsers download and run C code. For the Linux kernel, there is indeed an API to prevent proprietary modules from tainting the kernel when they are loaded. Most JavaScript is downloaded automatically, and it seems to me that it's a similar situation, except that most Web browsers are not distributed under the GPL. But as the GNOME desktop starts to integrate JavaScript, it may become an issue. Best, Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org www.advogato.org ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Reboot: Strategic goals for GNOME
On Thu, 2010-03-04 at 17:45 -0800, Lefty (石鏡 ) wrote: On 3/4/10 3:00 PM, Richard Stallman r...@gnu.org wrote: Let's not be in a rush to invite users to use servers -- even our own -- instead of their own computers. That is the wrong direction to go. [...] I doubt that as many as 10% of the people who maintain a blog or share pictures on Flickr or Picasa could do it if they had to run their own server to support those activities, and it seems unreasonable to suggest that they should. What could GNOME do to change that? Maybe we need a peer-to-peer distributed blogging system, for example? Publish my content on the GNOME cloud, without losing my own copy of it and without losing ownership of it... In any case, I'm under the impression that a search warrant or similar order is generally required in the US to get information regardless of whether it's from a hosted service or from your personal computer; certainly the police can't simply call up Facebook and ask for information on random people and expect to get it. They can and they do, as has been widely covered by the media. The vast majority of people who use computers--and I'm not referring to people who download source and build their own versions of things--are quite happy to, for example, have Wordpress or Livejournal maintain their blogs for them, and there's absolutely no reason for them to attempt to host it themselves. They are also happy to use Microsoft Word, and other proprietary software. But that does not mean we should abandon GNOME. Instead, we need to make it easier for people to follow the more open path. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org www.advogato.org ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GTK Questions
On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 09:27 -0700, TILLMAN, MICHAEL D9 wrote: [...] We can’t go with something that is LESS responsive than our current “X” applications written in C or C++, and we were wondering if GTK, generally speaking, is comparable to compiled X applications in response speeds and memory usage. Gtk+ is written in C, so should be the same speed, at least in principle. You can write slow code in any language... Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org www.advogato.org ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: please help me
On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 00:14 -0700, navid fk wrote: it mean i want to use only GTKs libraries and some compilers not visual IDE for GTK No-one is forcing you to use an IDE. E.g. gcc is fine. If you need more information you'd do better to ask on the gtk list rather than the foundation list, probably. If you need more information, mail to the other list, and mention which platform you are using (e.g, Mac OS X 2.8.3, or Mandriva Linux 2009.1, or Microsoft Windows 3.11, or whatever), and which platform you want to target, if it's different, as compilers are often very system-specific. You could also try asking in #gnome or #gnome-hackers on irc.gnome.org. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org www.advogato.org ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Some Finnish thoughts of Guadec+aKademy 2009
On Sat, 2008-07-05 at 20:30 +0300, Petri Räsänen wrote: [...] As a final remark I believe that one factor in the decision making process will be the message that will be read between the lines of the decision. I can speak only speculatively and on behalf of our proposal, but if the choice is Tampere, I believe it can be interpreted as a sign openness to new countries as a location, respecting the diversity of the community and in a way as decision to take a fresh new step in the country where it all more or less got started. Not a bad message, right? A good message, worth exploring... Questions to ask are (1) where is Free Software in most need of support? For example, identify places where there are strong challenges, or where there are new and young communities starting that need to be encouraged; (2) If that is not a strong factor, then identify the key people you want at the conference, and ask which places are they most likely to attend. A survey can be helpful here. (3) If there are no overall clear answers from (1) and (2), where will the conference get good press coverage and media visibility? Of course, the purpose is for Free Desktop People to get together, exchange ideas, boost morale, and admire each other's ankles. But the outreach aspects are also important, and I think are more important than the cost of a pint of beer or a pair of socks in a given location. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org www.advogato.org ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Call for hosts for GUADEC 2009
On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 23:33 -0400, Clare So wrote: [...] I agree with you, Behdad. There is no point in pushing for Canada. When we had a W3C advisory committee meeting in Montreal in November some 3 years ago it was one of the better attended meetings we'd ever had (we = W3C). There is usually no snow until December or January in southern Ontario and Quebec at least, I don't know about the other provinces as well. Canada is also easy to get to, and does not have the US Visa requirements. If there is not a strong KDE or Gnome community here, maybe we need to fix that by having a conference? Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org www.advogato.org ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Windows-only software in government
On Thu, 2008-02-28 at 09:22 -0500, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote: One of the issues forcing me to keep a few MS Windows computer around in my company are government services relying on Windows-only software, like this example: http://www.statcan.ca/english/exports/download.htm My company is required to report all exports to non-US destinations using the Windows-only program - or paper forms. Bleh. I have had some involvement both at Ontario and at Federal levels in suggesting that the Canadian government move towards open, standard formats and Free software. It is a difficult struggle. At the Ontario Government showcase of Technology when I spoke, they insisted on PowerPoint slides. I refused. In the talk, I asked how many people thought that government proceedings, and presentatoins like these, should be archived for 10 years or more, and most people raised a hand. A majority did for 40 years. Then I asked how many people thought they would be able to read PowerPoint files in 20 years (after some examples o 20-year-old software like Wordstar, Magic Wand, etc) and there were I think zero hands. So there's understanding there (and there was a Minister in the audience, nodding away, there's understanding to some extent especially at the higher levels). Some arguments that go down well are * the need to archive * the need for accessibility * the need to repurpose information (e.g. print, Web, search...) * the need to control costs * the need to have control over core technology, to use trusted software * the need to encourage and support the Canadian IT industry Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org www.advogato.org ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: bounties?
On Thu, 2007-11-08 at 11:53 +0100, Johannes Schmid wrote: [...] Just a short note on the success of bounties. The Anjuta Project (www.anjuta.org/tasks, list is not completely up-to-date) put bounties of overall about 4000$ in place about two years ago. Only about half of those have been worked on since and the biggest part was done by already active developers who had done some patches in the area where the bounty appeared before. The bounty is rarely enough to substitute for full-time pay. So you had to be willing to do the work anyway. It might work better to give gifts -- Gnome socks, X.org underpants, a certificate to hang on the wall, or whatever. Gnome Miles. :) Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org www.advogato.org ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Idea: GNOME event in Beijing 2008
On Fri, 2007-08-03 at 23:40 +0300, Quim Gil wrote: This is a call for volunteers and interested GNOME lovers in Beijing / China / East Asia. Please forward to friends and contacts that might be interested. The WWW 2008 conference will also be there - maybe it might be interesting to consider a The Web and the Ubiquitous Desktop mini-conference or something, co-located or immediately before or after the other conference, e.g. at the weekend? Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org www.advogato.org ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Regarding OOXML and Microsoft patents
On Sat, 2007-07-14 at 17:50 -0400, Miguel de Icaza wrote: If a long standard is part of an attack, we can use that for our own purposes. In this case I suspect that the length of the standard is largely a consequence of the format being an XML serialization of the existing complex and wart-filled proprietary binary formats. I haven't read the specs to see how detailed and precise they are, though. Neither am I saying I think it's a good idea for anyone (except Microsoft) for people to use XML in this way, as little more than a memory dump of a proprietary format. Of course, the length doesn't make the spec easy to implement -- did Microsoft include any sort of test suite, and any clear conformance statements? Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org www.advogato.org Travel pictures: http://www.holoweb.net/~liam/pictures/ ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Towards more collaboration between the academic world and the GNOME community
On Wed, 2007-04-25 at 01:05 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: [...] Feedback is welcome, and volunteers will be cheered :-) I don't think I have enough time to earn a cheer, I've already used up all the time I save through not putting on shoes :-) You could consider a peer-reviewed track at guadec. After maybe 2 or 3 years of publishing the proceedings, it may be considered suitable for academic publications that count towards tenure track (bigger in the US than Europe, perhaps, but still significant). Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org www.advogato.org ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Special GNOME event in California next week
On Sat, 2007-04-14 at 20:30 +0200, Quim Gil wrote: If you are not into this topic you can probably wait these 5 days. :) I think in fact the people involved, especially Jeff, deserve to be applauded for letting people know ahead of time, even when they felt unable to disclose the details. Jeff has taken a lot of heat (and since he doesn't wear pants his knees and ankles are in danger from burning) but if the community feels that it was not well done, the time to say so is after the announcement, not now, when we don't have enough information to judge. Regards, Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org www.advogato.org ___ foundation-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME Local user groups
On Mon, 2006-08-14 at 10:51 +0200, Rodrigo Moya wrote: On Fri, 2006-08-11 at 14:12 +0200, Quim Gil wrote: El dv 11 de 08 del 2006 a les 13:46 +0200, en/na Rodrigo Moya va escriure: My question is: how we can have marketing materials easily? that is also my question :) What do you have in mind when you talk about 'marketing materials'? The answer possibly differs depending on the materials. Stickers, t-shirts, banners etc have different problematics. I was mainly thinking about t-shirts, stickers and CDs. Don't forget the Gnome socks :-) However, cross-border trade restrictions mean it can work out better to have a fund for locally-produced clothing rather than trying to export/import it. E.g. there are tarrifs involved in moving textiles between US and Canada, despite NAFTA. Developing a set of guidelines for branding (that is, for use of the Gnome foot logo and the name, including specifying colours and sizes and positioning etc., or possibly a simple approval process) can make everything a lot easier. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org www.advogato.org ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Vote NO on referendum to reduce board members
On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 09:45 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: [...] many of us notice that the large size of the group causes irrelevant distraction, even when urgent decisions are necessary. That happens even with the best people. I find it happens with teleconference consisting of only two or three people at least as often, if not more often than with larger groups. With a larger group you're more likely to have someone chairing who can move the discussion along. I still think the problems being reported are nothing to do with the size of the group but to do with lack of clear process and with poor delegation. These are not easy to fix, but I don't think changing the group size will help. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org www.advogato.org XML Blog: http://people.w3.org/~liam/blog/ ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Petition for referendum
On Thu, 2005-09-29 at 14:52 +0100, Bill Haneman wrote: IMO the main Board problems are task assignment and delegation. Reducing the size of the Board won't directly help delegation, and reducing the available resources by having fewer Directors will only worsen task assignment/completion problems. +1 The difference between 7 people and 11 people is not so large. It sounds like some more formal process plus more frequent face-to-face meetings might be needed. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org www.advogato.org ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Changing the name of GUADEC
On Tue, 2005-09-06 at 10:03 -0400, Miguel de Icaza wrote: I would try to go for simple Gnome Conference or maybe Gnome Conf. I think that GConf is just being too cute. Agreed GConf isn't a good idea any more than OAF or BONOBO would be. A name change of a conference usually is done for one of two reasons -- (1) legal, e.g. to get out of a contract with a hotel chain (2) because the content of the conference has changed E.g. I'd be in favour of a combined KDE+GNOME conference called Linux Desktop 2006 although it would probably also have a trade show and a very different feel. If the feel is the same, keep the name. You won't turn gnome-haters into advocates (as Dave Neary hoped) at a conference no Gnome-hater would ever attend. Instead you need outreach, you need to identify good speakers to be advocates, sent out with no cloak or shoes (Biblical reference) to preach the Good Gnews of Gnome. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org www.advogato.org On the Internet no-one can see if you're wearing shoes. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
