Re: Question to candidates - Minutes of the board meeting
Hi Britt It's good to hear from you. :) Everyone start with zero -- I think the point is we could see what do you think. Thanks for want to made pubic as timely and reasonable. Thanks again for running the board. Max * Philip Chimento: 2019/6/4 * Christel Dahlskjaer: 2019/6/4 * Benjamin Berg: 2019/6/4 * Allan Day: 2019/6/4 * Tristan Van Berkom: 2019/6/4 * Carlos Soriano: 2019/6/4 * Robert McQueen: 2019/6/5 * Niels De Graef: 2019/6/5 * Britt Yazel: 2019/6/6 * Federico Mena Quintero * Christopher Davis On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 12:44 AM Britt Yazel wrote: > Hi Max, > > Sorry for my late response, however as I have never held a board seat > before I do not have the experience to comment either way on the timing of > the release of board meeting minutes. > > With that said and after reading the prior responses, my personal > preference is to be as quick as is possible in releasing the minutes while > the conversations and points are fresh in our minds. I have found that the > longer things sit, the more likely they are to fall by the wayside, and the > Foundation members deserve to have a timely and transparent board of > directors. > > I hesitate to promise anything as far as a time table commitment, as it > would not be up to me alone when the minutes are released, and without > having personally experienced these board meeting structure, promising > anything of the sort would, in my opinion, be irresponsible. I can say that > the best of my ability I will see that the meeting minutes are made public > as timely and efficiently as is reasonable. I am also happy to revisit the > conversation once the board is elected to see if as a team we can agree on > a reasonable timetable. > > Thanks, > > -Britt Yazel > > On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 4:13 AM Max via foundation-list < > foundation-list@gnome.org> wrote: > >> Hi Robert >> >> Thanks for reply my question again. >> We could have many information when we see the reply. >> Just like my last mail -- the list could be "Answer" or "Not Answer", >> "Date" or "None" >> >> I just check the foundation-list@gnome.org mail list last year( 2018 ). >> " There is no question to board candidates " >> At 2017, only 1 question to board candidates. >> >> I just explain why I do that -- If there is no reply from candidates -- >> We just have their bio :p >> >> >> Max >> >> On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 6:48 PM Robert McQueen wrote: >> >>> Hi Max, >>> >>> On Wed, 2019-06-05 at 09:26 +0800, Max via foundation-list wrote: >>> >>> We are all volunteer live in different time zone, we have real job and >>> life. So we will do community task at rest time of real life. >>> It's good to do community task in reasonable time. >>> I think ask question to candidates during the election time -- we might >>> be see how busy they are in real life. >>> To guess how much time the candidates could spend on community tasks. >>> If someone is real great but he / she is 100% or 90% busy in real life, >>> she / he might be have no time to help. >>> >>> >>> Serving on the board is a form of volunteering your time to help the >>> GNOME community. It comes with specific and quite predictable time >>> commitments in terms of the board meetings, e-mails, etc that being a board >>> member entails - usually around 2 hours a week, and usually at the same >>> time each week. As Carlos points out, these are rarely urgent. The board >>> has actually been trying to take a more "hands off" role - focusing on >>> oversight, strategy, etc rather than day to day or urgent decisions. The >>> Foundation now has 7 full-time staff and they should be able to dedicate >>> far more time and be more responsive. >>> >>> So - provided the board candidate is able to dedicate these specific >>> times, I don't think response time or availability to volunteer for >>> additional things should necessarily be considered while assessing board >>> candidates for election - if someone isn't available to volunteer for >>> community tasks that doesn't mean they will be a bad board member. I hope >>> in my case the opposite is true - I am very busy in my personal and >>> professional life because I am on the leadership team of Endless, a company >>> that works with GNOME - but this means I have experience as a >>> director/executive which I think I can use to help the Foundation board set >>> a good strategy and sensible policies, manage it's resources well, manage >>
Re: Question to candidates - Minutes of the board meeting
Hi Robert Thanks for reply my question again. We could have many information when we see the reply. Just like my last mail -- the list could be "Answer" or "Not Answer", "Date" or "None" I just check the foundation-list@gnome.org mail list last year( 2018 ). " There is no question to board candidates " At 2017, only 1 question to board candidates. I just explain why I do that -- If there is no reply from candidates -- We just have their bio :p Max On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 6:48 PM Robert McQueen wrote: > Hi Max, > > On Wed, 2019-06-05 at 09:26 +0800, Max via foundation-list wrote: > > We are all volunteer live in different time zone, we have real job and > life. So we will do community task at rest time of real life. > It's good to do community task in reasonable time. > I think ask question to candidates during the election time -- we might be > see how busy they are in real life. > To guess how much time the candidates could spend on community tasks. > If someone is real great but he / she is 100% or 90% busy in real life, > she / he might be have no time to help. > > > Serving on the board is a form of volunteering your time to help the GNOME > community. It comes with specific and quite predictable time commitments in > terms of the board meetings, e-mails, etc that being a board member entails > - usually around 2 hours a week, and usually at the same time each week. As > Carlos points out, these are rarely urgent. The board has actually been > trying to take a more "hands off" role - focusing on oversight, strategy, > etc rather than day to day or urgent decisions. The Foundation now has 7 > full-time staff and they should be able to dedicate far more time and be > more responsive. > > So - provided the board candidate is able to dedicate these specific > times, I don't think response time or availability to volunteer for > additional things should necessarily be considered while assessing board > candidates for election - if someone isn't available to volunteer for > community tasks that doesn't mean they will be a bad board member. I hope > in my case the opposite is true - I am very busy in my personal and > professional life because I am on the leadership team of Endless, a company > that works with GNOME - but this means I have experience as a > director/executive which I think I can use to help the Foundation board set > a good strategy and sensible policies, manage it's resources well, manage > the ED, etc. Whether a board member takes on additional > community/volunteering tasks (eg organising a conference, joining a > committee, being an officer like secretary or treasurer, etc) is a separate > decision. (I personally don't have a lot /more/ time to give, but when I do > I choose to spend it on Flatpak/Flathub because I think the app ecosystem > is a blocker to the Linux desktop's overall growth and impact.) > > Cheers, > Rob > > > The date is for UTC +08:00 in my local time. > > * Philip Chimento: 2019/6/4 > * Christel Dahlskjaer: 2019/6/4 > * Benjamin Berg: 2019/6/4 > * Allan Day: 2019/6/4 > * Tristan Van Berkom: 2019/6/4 > * Carlos Soriano: 2019/6/4 > * Robert McQueen: 2019/6/5 > > * Britt Yazel > * Niels De Graef > * Federico Mena Quintero > * Christopher Davis > > On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 4:55 AM Robert McQueen wrote: > > Hi Max, > > For what it's worth - I agree very strongly with Carlos here. The > community seems very "latched on" to minutes as the only/best way to hear > from or understand the board. I believe that on the whole Philip and > Federico as Secretary and Vice-Secretary have been doing as good a job as > could reasonably be expected of them, in terms of keeping the process > running and making sure the minutes happen and are published within weeks > rather than months. It's certainly as good or as close to as good as I've > seen it during the past few years, and as a time-starved collection of > volunteers, I don't think it's feasible for an incoming director to promise > that the preparation of minutes will change significantly. > > That said; we hear the concerns about timeliness and transparency but > really - poring over summarised board minutes looking for decisions (or > conspiriacies) and second-guessing justifications/motivations is not a good > way to build trust and transparency. Communication should be more > intentional and directed, ideally the board should be more accessible. This > is why I blogged about the key topics and things we were aiming to do from > our hackfest last year. > > I think that Carlos' GitLab and Discourse suggestions are great, and maybe > there are some other things we could consider - some round table /
Re: Question to candidates - Minutes of the board meeting
Hi Carlos Thanks for your reply. Just like my last mail. I think it's good to get more detail and information how hard to be a board member. Let every foundation member know the board hard and work hard is mean to me. Thanks again for your reply and thank for make GNOME forward with board for 2 years. Max On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 2:00 PM Carlos Soriano wrote: > Hi Max, > > Just an honest insight from working in the board for two years. The tasks > the board do rarely require immediate action, in fact the most immediate > important action we can do is a special meeting, which requires 48h notice > in advance. > > In general, it's more valuable to allocate a chunk of time over the > weekend, and for big tasks that can happen once every month or two months. > If my memory serves me correctly, we had around 3-4 emergencies in the last > two years, and almost all directors found some time to deal with them. > > Cheers > > On Wed, 5 Jun 2019 at 03:27, Max via foundation-list < > foundation-list@gnome.org> wrote: > >> Hi Allan, Tristan, Carlos, Robert >> >> Thanks for the quick response. >> Thanks all of you give us more choice and tool. >> GNOME.Asia team also use gitlab issue board to co-work together. >> >> During the GNOME.Asia role, I learn about --- "Pass the information to >> the team members fast" is more better than "Think all method alone". >> We are all volunteer live in different time zone, we have real job and >> life. So we will do community task at rest time of real life. >> It's good to do community task in reasonable time. >> I think ask question to candidates during the election time -- we might >> be see how busy they are in real life. >> To guess how much time the candidates could spend on community tasks. >> If someone is real great but he / she is 100% or 90% busy in real life, >> she / he might be have no time to help. >> >> The date is for UTC +08:00 in my local time. >> >> * Philip Chimento: 2019/6/4 >> * Christel Dahlskjaer: 2019/6/4 >> * Benjamin Berg: 2019/6/4 >> * Allan Day: 2019/6/4 >> * Tristan Van Berkom: 2019/6/4 >> * Carlos Soriano: 2019/6/4 >> * Robert McQueen: 2019/6/5 >> >> * Britt Yazel >> * Niels De Graef >> * Federico Mena Quintero >> * Christopher Davis >> >> On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 4:55 AM Robert McQueen wrote: >> >>> Hi Max, >>> >>> For what it's worth - I agree very strongly with Carlos here. The >>> community seems very "latched on" to minutes as the only/best way to hear >>> from or understand the board. I believe that on the whole Philip and >>> Federico as Secretary and Vice-Secretary have been doing as good a job as >>> could reasonably be expected of them, in terms of keeping the process >>> running and making sure the minutes happen and are published within weeks >>> rather than months. It's certainly as good or as close to as good as I've >>> seen it during the past few years, and as a time-starved collection of >>> volunteers, I don't think it's feasible for an incoming director to promise >>> that the preparation of minutes will change significantly. >>> >>> That said; we hear the concerns about timeliness and transparency but >>> really - poring over summarised board minutes looking for decisions (or >>> conspiriacies) and second-guessing justifications/motivations is not a good >>> way to build trust and transparency. Communication should be more >>> intentional and directed, ideally the board should be more accessible. This >>> is why I blogged about the key topics and things we were aiming to do from >>> our hackfest last year. >>> >>> I think that Carlos' GitLab and Discourse suggestions are great, and >>> maybe there are some other things we could consider - some round table / >>> AMA things - so that the board is in discussion with the membership more >>> frequently than the big Q "meet the new board" at GUADEC. At this exact >>> time, the new board don't really know what they're doing (or about to do) - >>> at least I certainly didn't - so you might get intentions/aspirations but >>> very little insight into what is actually ongoing and why. >>> >>> (As a side point, I am also not used to the concept that a board or >>> other panel would /not/ periodically approve it's previous minutes - but I >>> would also not expect a board to ordinarily meet every two weeks. We've >>> moved from weekly to bi-weekly meetings during this board term, which is >>&
Re: Question to candidates - Minutes of the board meeting
Hi Niels Thanks for reply my question. :) 2) Extrapolating how busy someone's life is by looking at a period of 2 days might not be really representative. - It's not for 2 days, it might be answer or not answer the question, right ? :) If everyone don't ask questions or ask question but there might be someone doesn't answer any question. How could we know that candidates -- just from the bio? -- Maybe everyone ( okay, at least me... ) want to hear more from candidates. With many reply and information -- We could know how hard to be GNOME board and they work very hard, it's good, right? * Philip Chimento: 2019/6/4 * Christel Dahlskjaer: 2019/6/4 * Benjamin Berg: 2019/6/4 * Allan Day: 2019/6/4 * Tristan Van Berkom: 2019/6/4 * Carlos Soriano: 2019/6/4 * Robert McQueen: 2019/6/5 * Niels De Graef: 2019/6/5 * Britt Yazel * Federico Mena Quintero * Christopher Davis Thanks again for your reply Max On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 1:41 PM Niels De Graef wrote: > Hi Max, > > I first want to thank you for your question, as it is a very valid > point. I agree with Carlos that we already have better collaboration > (GitLab) and communication (Discourse) tools which we should look into > instead of a plain-text email. > > For the rest, I think it's wise to consider a few things before making > conclusions: > > 1) This is a question that is a bit hard to give a good answer to as > someone who hasn't served a term yet (as Tristan mentioned). This > might explain why 3 out of 4 people at the bottom of your list are > would-be first-termers. ;) > > 2) Extrapolating how busy someone's life is by looking at a period of > 2 days might not be really representative. For a personal example: I'm > actually moving to a new place this month, which means it's harder to > get a response out as soon as possible. That does not mean I don't > have time allocated for the board in the rest of the year. I think we > can safely assume the latter also applies to the other people who > haven't answered yet. > > Thanks again for your feedback! > > Kind regards, > Niels > > On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 3:27 AM Max via foundation-list > wrote: > > > > Hi Allan, Tristan, Carlos, Robert > > > > Thanks for the quick response. > > Thanks all of you give us more choice and tool. > > GNOME.Asia team also use gitlab issue board to co-work together. > > > > During the GNOME.Asia role, I learn about --- "Pass the information to > the team members fast" is more better than "Think all method alone". > > We are all volunteer live in different time zone, we have real job and > life. So we will do community task at rest time of real life. > > It's good to do community task in reasonable time. > > I think ask question to candidates during the election time -- we might > be see how busy they are in real life. > > To guess how much time the candidates could spend on community tasks. > > If someone is real great but he / she is 100% or 90% busy in real life, > she / he might be have no time to help. > > > > The date is for UTC +08:00 in my local time. > > > > * Philip Chimento: 2019/6/4 > > * Christel Dahlskjaer: 2019/6/4 > > * Benjamin Berg: 2019/6/4 > > * Allan Day: 2019/6/4 > > * Tristan Van Berkom: 2019/6/4 > > * Carlos Soriano: 2019/6/4 > > * Robert McQueen: 2019/6/5 > > > > * Britt Yazel > > * Niels De Graef > > * Federico Mena Quintero > > * Christopher Davis > > > > On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 4:55 AM Robert McQueen wrote: > >> > >> Hi Max, > >> > >> For what it's worth - I agree very strongly with Carlos here. The > community seems very "latched on" to minutes as the only/best way to hear > from or understand the board. I believe that on the whole Philip and > Federico as Secretary and Vice-Secretary have been doing as good a job as > could reasonably be expected of them, in terms of keeping the process > running and making sure the minutes happen and are published within weeks > rather than months. It's certainly as good or as close to as good as I've > seen it during the past few years, and as a time-starved collection of > volunteers, I don't think it's feasible for an incoming director to promise > that the preparation of minutes will change significantly. > >> > >> That said; we hear the concerns about timeliness and transparency but > really - poring over summarised board minutes looking for decisions (or > conspiriacies) and second-guessing justifications/motivations is not a good > way to build trust and transparency. Communication should be more > intentional and directed, ideally the board should be more accessible. This > is why I blogged
Re: Question to candidates - Minutes of the board meeting
Hi Allan, Tristan, Carlos, Robert Thanks for the quick response. Thanks all of you give us more choice and tool. GNOME.Asia team also use gitlab issue board to co-work together. During the GNOME.Asia role, I learn about --- "Pass the information to the team members fast" is more better than "Think all method alone". We are all volunteer live in different time zone, we have real job and life. So we will do community task at rest time of real life. It's good to do community task in reasonable time. I think ask question to candidates during the election time -- we might be see how busy they are in real life. To guess how much time the candidates could spend on community tasks. If someone is real great but he / she is 100% or 90% busy in real life, she / he might be have no time to help. The date is for UTC +08:00 in my local time. * Philip Chimento: 2019/6/4 * Christel Dahlskjaer: 2019/6/4 * Benjamin Berg: 2019/6/4 * Allan Day: 2019/6/4 * Tristan Van Berkom: 2019/6/4 * Carlos Soriano: 2019/6/4 * Robert McQueen: 2019/6/5 * Britt Yazel * Niels De Graef * Federico Mena Quintero * Christopher Davis On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 4:55 AM Robert McQueen wrote: > Hi Max, > > For what it's worth - I agree very strongly with Carlos here. The > community seems very "latched on" to minutes as the only/best way to hear > from or understand the board. I believe that on the whole Philip and > Federico as Secretary and Vice-Secretary have been doing as good a job as > could reasonably be expected of them, in terms of keeping the process > running and making sure the minutes happen and are published within weeks > rather than months. It's certainly as good or as close to as good as I've > seen it during the past few years, and as a time-starved collection of > volunteers, I don't think it's feasible for an incoming director to promise > that the preparation of minutes will change significantly. > > That said; we hear the concerns about timeliness and transparency but > really - poring over summarised board minutes looking for decisions (or > conspiriacies) and second-guessing justifications/motivations is not a good > way to build trust and transparency. Communication should be more > intentional and directed, ideally the board should be more accessible. This > is why I blogged about the key topics and things we were aiming to do from > our hackfest last year. > > I think that Carlos' GitLab and Discourse suggestions are great, and maybe > there are some other things we could consider - some round table / AMA > things - so that the board is in discussion with the membership more > frequently than the big Q "meet the new board" at GUADEC. At this exact > time, the new board don't really know what they're doing (or about to do) - > at least I certainly didn't - so you might get intentions/aspirations but > very little insight into what is actually ongoing and why. > > (As a side point, I am also not used to the concept that a board or other > panel would /not/ periodically approve it's previous minutes - but I would > also not expect a board to ordinarily meet every two weeks. We've moved > from weekly to bi-weekly meetings during this board term, which is great, > but ideally as we build trust/process/oversight in the ED and staff, the > board should ideally have to meet less often.) > > As the staff team grows, more of the "stuff the foundation does" should > move away from the board making micro-decisions, and more towards "business > as usual" for the staff. Then the reporting and transparency requirement > moves from the board to the staff - especially as they are (by their very > existence) consuming donor funds. So I feel this transparency is also very > important. As the ED line manager, I think we've made some progress during > this term and have converted some of Neil's reporting to the board into eg > a blog post visible to the community, but clearer and more frequent updates > on "what is the foundation doing" particularly through the activities of > staff is something I would hope to be able to continue working on with Neil > and his team over the coming year. > > Thanks, > Rob > > On Tue, 2019-06-04 at 22:22 +0200, Carlos Soriano wrote: > > Hi Max, > > Thanks for your question. You raise a very good point, I agree with you > that we need to improve participation of the community on board topics, and > it's specially difficult if the information is delayed for too long. > > This is indeed a difficult situation. Some topics that the board discusses > are quite sensible, and sometimes we are in doubt whether parts of it are > private or not, so that requires consensus and therefore delays happen. As > you can imagine, we rely on volunteer time to discuss a
Re: Question to candidates - Minutes of the board meeting
Hi Christel and Benjamin Thanks reply my question. I think people ask question -- Because they want to improve or resolve some problem, maybe the status is optimization. Thanks both of you give some suggestions. I remember there are few questions for Board candidates and not sure every candidates answer all of the question. Here is my thinking, I want to know. * Is there any way to improve Minutes of the board meeting? or something happen in GNOME. * What is the logic -- the board candidates will do? " Because it is a rule in wiki so keep it? " " I have an idea xx " " Do nothing or just vote because " I think maybe now is the best status or way to minutes of board meeting. But if no one say that " Now is the optimization the best one, there is no way to improve ", how could we know? I will ask the question because I meaning to me, If not every candidates answer most the question or no one ask question, how could we know if there are something happen, what will they do with them? Thanks again to Christel, Benjamin and Philip Max On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 5:16 PM Benjamin Berg wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, 2019-06-04 at 08:42 +0800, Max via foundation-list wrote: > > Thanks everyone who want take times to make GNOME better. > > Just a simple question about Minutes of the board meeting. > > So, with the publication of the guidelines by the current board, the > expected time frame appears to be that minutes will usually be > published at the earliest 2 weeks after the meeting (I don't expect > minute approval to happen during a "working session"[1]). To be honest, > I not think that this is a time frame that allows Foundation members to > closely follow what is happening and to engage with the Board if there > is a topic of interest to them. > > I remember that in the student-council we generally published draft > minutes immediately after the meeting. This publication was posted on a > board (inside the university building), had to happen within three days > and would be signed by the secretary and session chair. The formal > approval would only happen in the next meeting (usually one week > later). > > Now, I don't expect that we can do exactly the same thing for the GNOME > Board. On the one hand there because are likely more topics that are of > a sensitive nature, on the other hand because it does not seem like a > good idea to post such preliminary minutes to a public mailing list. > > But maybe it is possible to create a faster path for information to > reach the membership. One thing I can imagine is to create a members > only mailing list specifically for posting preliminary minutes. But I > am really not sure whether such changes are at all feasible. > That said, this seems like a topic that may be worth exploring further, > for example by talking about it as part of a public "working session" > of the Board. > > Benjamin > > [1] https://wiki.gnome.org/FoundationBoard#Meetings > > > Data and information might be different. > > For me - a GNOME foundation member > > > > Data - Get "Minutes of the board meeting" after 1 month or 2 weeks > > after. > > Because maybe the event is already close or over. > > > > Information - Get "Minutes of the board meeting" in 1 week or 10 > > days. > > Because something might be happening and everyone could discuss > > with board and reply. > > > > Here is the question > > > > Could you promise to think a way --- Everyone get "Minutes of the > > board meeting" in a very close time? > > > > Here is my suggestion. > > Maybe there will be a table to record the "Minutes of the board > > meeting" announcement time and does it announce in short time? > > > > --- > > - > > | board meeting | Minutes| in 10 days ? > > | > > --- > > - > > | 2019/4/29 | 2019/5/22| No > > | > > --- > > - > > | 2019/4/8 | 2019/5/15| No > >| > > --- > > - > > | 2019/3/13 | 2019/5/15| No > > | > > --- > > - > > > > Maybe it could be a record in GNOME annual report？ >
Re: Question to candidates - Minutes of the board meeting
Hi Philip and all Thanks for reply the mail. Yes, I know the guidelines for meeting minutes. I know the 2 weeks and I want to say 10 days just an example not a real number. ( So my question is ask Board to think a way, I just suggestion ) During the my role of GNOME.Asia team, I wrote some minutes [1] too. For your question: "I would also like to ask you: what do you think would help encourage the kind of discussion you are looking for, other than minutes published after 7 or 10 days?" I want to encourage more discussion with GNOME Board, in the other hands, how many discussion with Minutes of Board meetings or directly to GNOME board last year? So my thinking is -- if the minutes cloud mail in more close time ( 2 weeks is a good time ), I think people might be more discuss with others or GNOME board ( Or maybe not? ) I know the correct information is also important, but I just want to know if the minutes is more close -- maybe people would discuss more or want to do more. for example: some minutes about GNOME.Asia --- when I see it with Board minutes -- it already over and I just know what discuss in the board. --- and that's the reason I want to ask the question. Thanks again to Philips work hard and reply my e-mail, and sorry for my poor English :p [1] https://wiki.gnome.org/GnomeAsia/Minutes Max On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 11:57 AM wrote: > On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 5:43 PM Max via foundation-list < > foundation-list@gnome.org> wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Thanks for running for the board. >> >> Thanks everyone who want take times to make GNOME better. >> Just a simple question about Minutes of the board meeting. >> >> Data and information might be different. >> For me - a GNOME foundation member >> >> Data - Get "Minutes of the board meeting" after 1 month or 2 weeks after. >> Because maybe the event is already close or over. >> >> Information - Get "Minutes of the board meeting" in 1 week or 10 days. >> Because something might be happening and everyone could discuss with >> board and reply. >> >> Here is the question >> >> Could you promise to think a way --- Everyone get "Minutes of the board >> meeting" in a very close time? >> >> Here is my suggestion. >> Maybe there will be a table to record the "Minutes of the board meeting" >> announcement time and does it announce in short time? >> >> >> >> | board meeting | Minutes| in 10 days ? >> | >> >> >> | 2019/4/29 | 2019/5/22| No >> | >> >> >> | 2019/4/8 | 2019/5/15| No >>| >> >> >> | 2019/3/13 | 2019/5/15| No >> | >> >> ---- >> >> Maybe it could be a record in GNOME annual report？ >> There are ? % for Minutes of the board meeting on time to announce. >> >> I want to say --- It not just secretary task, It's the information we >> want to get from all GNOME Board member. >> >> Thanks again for all who take time to running the board >> > > Hi Max, > > This question seems quite relevant and timely, and as I'm sure you know > publishing the minutes has been my responsibility over the last year. You > may have noticed that I just replied on another foundation-list thread that > I am proposing a guideline to the board for best practices around minutes > [1]. > > I can speak about my experience publishing the minutes. Looking back over > the 2018-2019 board term that I've served, sometimes it's been easy for me > to get the minutes done by the time of the next board meeting, and > sometimes, as you have noticed, it takes longer. As being a director is a > volunteer position I don't think it's feasible to always require it to be > done in 7 or 10 days. Sometimes it is delayed waiting for information that > needs to be included in the minutes or because another director needs to > carry out an action item first. It seems to have been inevitable in > practice every year that there are sometimes delays despite each > secretary's best intentions. My personal opinion in a situation like this > where a short schedule has not proved sustainable, is
Question to candidates - Minutes of the board meeting
Hi all, Thanks for running for the board. Thanks everyone who want take times to make GNOME better. Just a simple question about Minutes of the board meeting. Data and information might be different. For me - a GNOME foundation member Data - Get "Minutes of the board meeting" after 1 month or 2 weeks after. Because maybe the event is already close or over. Information - Get "Minutes of the board meeting" in 1 week or 10 days. Because something might be happening and everyone could discuss with board and reply. Here is the question Could you promise to think a way --- Everyone get "Minutes of the board meeting" in a very close time? Here is my suggestion. Maybe there will be a table to record the "Minutes of the board meeting" announcement time and does it announce in short time? | board meeting | Minutes| in 10 days ? | | 2019/4/29 | 2019/5/22| No | | 2019/4/8 | 2019/5/15| No | | 2019/3/13 | 2019/5/15| No | Maybe it could be a record in GNOME annual report？ There are ? % for Minutes of the board meeting on time to announce. I want to say --- It not just secretary task, It's the information we want to get from all GNOME Board member. Thanks again for all who take time to running the board Max ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Reminder - Submit your talk - GNOME.Asia summit 2018 - deadline 2018/5/25
Hi ALL Just reminder, please submit you talk TODAY ( LAST DAY ) On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 8:07 PM, Max <sakana...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi ALL > > Just reminder, please submit your talk before 5/25. ( Just in 3 days ) > > Please submit yours at: https://docs.google.com/fo > rms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfKnffsc_Ke2ZEP3fInJkAwEzXFUM24HZ7dYYluoGLmHMQjZw/viewform > > > A standard session will be scheduled for 45 mins (35 mins talk + 10 mins > Q). The session could be a technical talk, panel discussion, or BOF. If > you need more time or additional resources, feel free to get in touch with > the organizing team. > > You could see more detail here > > https://www.gnome.org/news/2018/04/gnome-asia-summit-2018- > call-for-papers-is-now-open/ > > > GNOME.Asia team > > > On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 8:54 AM, Max <sakana...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi ALL >> >> Just reminder, please submit your talk before 5/25. ( Just in 7 days ) >> >> Please submit yours at: https://docs.google.com/fo >> rms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfKnffsc_Ke2ZEP3fInJkAwEzXFUM24HZ7dYYluoGLmHMQjZw/viewform >> >> >> A standard session will be scheduled for 45 mins (35 mins talk + 10 mins >> Q). The session could be a technical talk, panel discussion, or BOF. If >> you need more time or additional resources, feel free to get in touch with >> the organizing team. >> >> You could see more detail here >> >> https://www.gnome.org/news/2018/04/gnome-asia-summit-2018- >> call-for-papers-is-now-open/ >> >> >> GNOME.Asia team >> >> > ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Reminder - Submit your talk - GNOME.Asia summit 2018 - deadline 2018/5/25
Hi ALL Just reminder, please submit your talk before 5/25. ( Just in 3 days ) Please submit yours at: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfKnffsc_ Ke2ZEP3fInJkAwEzXFUM24HZ7dYYluoGLmHMQjZw/viewform A standard session will be scheduled for 45 mins (35 mins talk + 10 mins Q). The session could be a technical talk, panel discussion, or BOF. If you need more time or additional resources, feel free to get in touch with the organizing team. You could see more detail here https://www.gnome.org/news/2018/04/gnome-asia-summit- 2018-call-for-papers-is-now-open/ GNOME.Asia team On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 8:54 AM, Max <sakana...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi ALL > > Just reminder, please submit your talk before 5/25. ( Just in 7 days ) > > Please submit yours at: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfKnffsc_ > Ke2ZEP3fInJkAwEzXFUM24HZ7dYYluoGLmHMQjZw/viewform > > > A standard session will be scheduled for 45 mins (35 mins talk + 10 mins > Q). The session could be a technical talk, panel discussion, or BOF. If > you need more time or additional resources, feel free to get in touch with > the organizing team. > > You could see more detail here > > https://www.gnome.org/news/2018/04/gnome-asia-summit- > 2018-call-for-papers-is-now-open/ > > > GNOME.Asia team > > ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Reminder - Submit your talk - GNOME.Asia summit 2018 - deadline 2018/5/25
Hi ALL Just reminder, please submit your talk before 5/25. ( Just in 7 days ) Please submit yours at: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfKnffsc_Ke2ZEP3fInJkAwEzXFUM24HZ7dYYluoGLmHMQjZw/viewform A standard session will be scheduled for 45 mins (35 mins talk + 10 mins Q). The session could be a technical talk, panel discussion, or BOF. If you need more time or additional resources, feel free to get in touch with the organizing team. You could see more detail here https://www.gnome.org/news/2018/04/gnome-asia-summit-2018-call-for-papers-is-now-open/ GNOME.Asia team ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Minutes of the Foundation Board, 1st May
Hi Allan and Board I have some questions or suggestions to ask. Question 1: So the "The GNOME Foundation Travel and Reimbursable Expense Policy [1] " will replace " Travel sponsorship [2] " or not? Question 2: With "The GNOME Foundation Travel and Reimbursable Expense Policy [1] " for Easy Reference Guide, do travers need to give a report( Blog? ) or not? - Because it doesn't list in Easy Reference Guide, but if you have time to read the end of the page, you will see " Expense Reporting " Question 3: Compare * " Travel sponsorship [2] " 45 lines608 words ( I use wc command in linux ) and * "The GNOME Foundation Travel and Reimbursable Expense Policy [1] " 265 lines 4063 words Do you think the traveler is easy to read, understand and know difference env or information they must give to TC or Rosanna? Does it make sense? if 265 lines and not many list item or give road maps or something? ( I think it might be difficult to travelers) Question 4: How many staff will process the application? TC and Rosanna? or just Rosanna? How do you think the traveler They should send the application before 3 weeks? ( If they might booking 2 weeks in advance ) Sometimes, some of them send application before a week, and some send application after the event. If the "The GNOME Foundation Travel and Reimbursable Expense Policy [1] " too long or not easy to read, so they could not give enough information to TC or Rosanna, how could they do? - if the application is long or hard to read, they will lose focus to process, -for example, TC is waiting their report( because they didn't receive the e-mail ) but traveler say " Hey, you should know my blog already post in the world. " Is it easy to be execute by TC or Rosanna? -- for example, if people read " Travel sponsorship [2] request instructions " ( https://wiki.gnome.org/Travel/Request ), they will know "Be patient, we are volunteers.". But sometimes you will receive " Hey TC, could you please confirm my application? I already send to you for 3 days... " -- I am afraid if the document is not easy to read, it will happen again and again. Still thanks board want to do things to help everyone Max -- [1] https://wiki.gnome.org/Foundation/TravelPolicy [2] https://wiki.gnome.org/Travel On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 7:54 PM, Allan Day <a...@gnome.org> wrote: > Germán Poo-Caamaño <g...@gnome.org> wrote: > ... >> FWIW, processing times for events like GUADEC are not usually processed >> before the talks have been accepted. They cannot, as the speakers have >> preference, and budget is limited. > > That's a good point. Maybe we could look into how the budgets are > allocated for this. > >> There is a guideline for looking for reasonable prices. In my past >> experience at the TC, among all people applying few of them actually >> did their homework. > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the Travel Committee guideline > just say "find the cheapest option"? > > The question the board was discussing is how to balance economy and > convenience (in other words, what counts as "reasonable"). For > example, do you have to take the cheapest flight, even if it takes > twice as long? The Foundation's staff travel policy [1] covers this. > For example, it says that it's acceptable to spend $100 extra on a > flight if it saves you 3 hours. > > Regarding applicants not doing their homework, the Foundation staff > travel policy also specifies that the traveller should do a price > comparison search and save the results. Maybe this could be a way to > check whether the homework has been done or not... > > Allan > -- > [1] https://wiki.gnome.org/Foundation/TravelPolicy > ___ > foundation-list mailing list > foundation-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Minutes of the Foundation Board, 3rd April
Hi ALL > We should either ask them to use “team” or make them a committee. The name of "GNOME Asia Committee" is already created before Max joined the committee in 2010 For my personally, I think ( and guess ) all the members of GNOME.Asia they don't really care the name of * GNOME.Asia Team * GNOME.Asia Worker * GNOME.Asia Farmer We will follow Board's decision :) I could ask the members of GNOME.Asia X For myself, I love to be GAT, GAW or GAF. Because I work GNOME.Asia for fun, meet friends and promote. To all members of GNOME.Asia Please give some suggestion :) Max from GNOME.Asia On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 9:43 PM, Allan Day <a...@gnome.org> wrote: > Hey Alexandre, > > Alexandre Franke <afra...@gnome.org> wrote: > ... > > We should either ask them to use “team” or make them a committee. > > I think my preference would be to come up with standard guidelines for > any group wanting to run a bidding process, as we are already doing > [1], rather than making this specifically about GNOME.Asia. > > Allan > -- > [1] https://gitlab.gnome.org/Community/Board/issues/39 > ___ > foundation-list mailing list > foundation-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list > ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Question to GNOME Foundation Board candidates
Hello all, First, thanks to all candidates for volunteering to the Foundation Board. Max come from GNOME.Asia team and thanks GNOME and board support Asia. I know there will be more people ask questions about all domain with GNOME, so I ask 1 question with Asia first. I have 3 questions to all candidates ( sorry for my poor English ) 1) How many hours per week do you expect you will be able to dedicate to working on the board on a regular basis? for 2nd or 3rd ( or more ) term candidacy: last year, every one plan 5-10 or 5-15 hours per week, what's average hours per week when you become board? do you think it's good hours for life and work balance with you?( I think it might be good reference for fist term candidacy and let us know your loading )( Thanks again work and make GNOME forward ) for 1st term candidacy: Please let us know your plan :) 2) What's your plan and view with GNOME in Asia? How do you think about grow GNOME in Asia? 3) How do you make GNOME great again? ( Sorry for my poor English again ) Any idea about let everyone say " Wow!! it's GNOME " " I know GNOME :) " * We start to have sponsors from Asia with GUADEC. * There are some open source events related and co-work with GNOME Users Group or Members in Asia. ** Hong Kong Open Source Conference ( https://opensource.hk/events/ ) ** openSUSE.Asia Summit ( https://events.opensuse.org/conference/summitasia16 ) ** FUDCon ( https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon?rd=Fudcon ) We held GNOME.AsiaSummit 2014 together with FUDCon. ** FOSSASIA ( http://fossasia.org/ ) Thanks again for all candidates volunteering to the Foundation Board. Max Huang ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Question to GNOME Foundation Board candidates
Hello all, First, thanks to all candidates for volunteering to the Foundation Board. Max come from GNOME.Asia team and thanks GNOME and board support Asia. I know there will be more people ask questions about all domain with GNOME, so I ask 1 question with Asia first. I have 3 questions to all candidates 1) How many hours per week do you expect you will be able to dedicate to working on the board on a regular basis? 2) What's your plan and view with GNOME in Asia? How do you think about grow GNOME in Asia? How to co-work with others? 3) About GNOME Executive Director, how do you think about GNOME ED? And what will you do if we still search GNOME ED? ( I am not mean for help to search GNOME ED, cause we already have GNOME ED committee :) ) * We start to have sponsors from Asia with GUADEC. * There are some open source events related and co-work with GNOME Users Group or Members in Asia. ** Hong Kong Open Source Conference ( http://opensource.hk/event ) ** openSUSE.Asia Summit ( https://events.opensuse.org/conference/summitasia14 ) ** FUDCon ( https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon?rd=Fudcon ) We held GNOME.Asia Summit 2014 together with FUDCon. ** FOSSASIA ( http://fossasia.org/ ) ** LINUXCON JAPAN (http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/linuxcon-japan) Thanks again for all candidates volunteering to the Foundation Board. Max Huang ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Travel committee disfunctional?
Hi Zeeshan and ALL I am Max, one of the travel committee members and GNOME.Asia members. We have 2 wiki for GNOME travel instruction. GNOME Travel Wiki https://wiki.gnome.org/Travel Request instructions https://wiki.gnome.org/Travel/Request We are all are volunteers with GNOME travel tasks. I always do the travel tasks by batch mode. ( You could see the 2 wiki above, people who get the subsidy should send their receipt and provide report within 2 weeks ) Travel committee will process multiple events at the same time. So I will focus reimbursement process after event end 2 weeks.( I am not sure other travel committee members, I just provide my work process ) I will keep eye if some mail out of 2 weeks time. In zeeshan this case, zeeshan think he wait enough time to travel committee. I will explain why zeeshan not get the same process speed like others in the same conference. not provide blog report in 2 weeks. ( You will know even you are not give blog report at 2 weeks, but travel committee will process the travel reimbursement, but you are not in focus batch time period, so might be a little late )( Thanks foundation members always give us enough time) provide transfer information at Mar -- after explain the cost of bank transfer, zeeshan accept and provide at 2016/3/3, we are already run the reimburse, but we are not mail to zeeshan very soon. Zeeshan mail to foundation list at 2016/3/10 ( 7 days after ) == Summary == ** Both travel committee and foundation member need more time, if the receipt or report not on time. ( according GNOME travel wiki ) solution: Maybe we could consider add “no later than two weeks after the event:” in people should write their report to GNOME. Question: If people don’t send the receipts and report in time, what could travel committee member do? Reject ? ( For now, we will still process the reimbursement ) Accept? ( But still reply and process very soon or on time? We are all volunteers, so maybe it’s hard to do that. I write this e-mail spend me almost 45 mins to check the mail list timeline and reply this mail. I will wonder to spend this time to take process for other events ) Anyway, sorry for my poor English and thank everyone give enough time to travel committee. I really do my best with GNOME tasks. Honestly, when I see this mail at foundation-list, I feel a little sad why I spend much time at volunteers task. ( But I will still do more with GNOME cause that’s the way I choose to contribute ) Max, one of the travel committee members = Time line for this case 2015/12/24 - Zeeshan - send request 2016/1/14 - Zeeshan - ask confirm request 2016/1/15 - Travel committee - confirm request 2016/1/15 - Zeeshan - Accept travel offer 2016/1/15 - Zeeshan - send the receipt include correct wrong receipt 2016/2/4 - Travel Committee - reminder Zeeshan to send to report ( blog ) to travel committee 2016/2/4 - Zeeshan - Tell travel committee didn’t write blog, he will send report soon 2016/2/6- Zeeshan - send blog url to travel committee 2016/2/22 - Zeeshan - Ask reimbursement status 2016/2/26 - Zeeshan - Ask reimbursement status 2016/3/1- Travel Committee - Notify Zeeshan “may be lose a significant part of the reimbursement in fees and the cost to the Foundation will also be quite significant compared to the total. Would you be amenable to PayPal or another reimbursement method instead ” 2016/3/1- Zeeshan - Zeeshan don't think I should have to pay for any such costs. Zeeshan think travel committee should consider these costs when accepting funding requests. 2016/3/1 - Travel Committee - Explain why the cost to Zeeshan 2016/3/1 - Accept the explain, note will change to paypal method ( but not give information ) 2016/3/3 - Zeeshan - Ask reibursement status 2016/3/3 - Travel Committee - Reply to zeeshan, not receive paypal information from zeeshan so Rosanna can’t pay via payal method 2016/3/3 - Zeeshan - Provide paypal account information 2016/3/10 - Zeeshan - Ask reimbursement status again and send to foundation-list mail 2016/3/10 - Travel Committee - Notify Zeeshan already in reimbursement queue 2016/3/16 - Zeeshan - reply to travel committee 2016/3/17 - Travel Commitee - reply to travel committee = On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 2:36 AM, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) <zeesha...@gnome.org> wrote: > On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 6:31 PM, Alberto Ruiz <ar...@gnome.org> wrote: > > Zeeshan, > > Alberto, > > > I understand your frustration, > > I like to believe people mean well and I think you do too in here but > sorry I don't feel that you understand my frustration, reading through > the rest of your reply. You completely focused on my email and showing > how it's not constructive at all, instead of suggesting any solution > to the actual problem. > >
Reminder - GNOME.Asia Summit 2016 Call for paper Deadline
Dear ALL: Just reminder, GNOME.Asia Summit 2016 Call for Paper deadline in 3 days - 16th Feb, 2016. http://2016.gnome.asia/cfp/ A standard session at GNOME.Asia 2016 will be scheduled as 45 mins (35 mins talk + 10 mins Q). Please take into consideration any time you will need for preparation. The session could be a technical talk, panel discussion, or BOF. If you’d like to share your knowledge and experience at GNOME.Asia 2016, please fill in the form at before 16th Feb, 2016. GNOME.Asia team ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Hello to Foundation List
Welcome Siska!! Thanks for your host in GNOME.Asia Summit ^^ Thanks for plan GNOME party and class ^___^ Max On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 9:22 AM, Siska Iskandar <seattle.b...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all. > > Let me introduce myself first. My name is Siska Restu Anggraeny Iskandar, > but you can call me Siska for short. I was born in Banjar, West Java, > Indonesia and grew up in Yogyakarta, Indonesia. It is a different province > with different culture and language. I am currently in last year of Bachelor > Degree with Informatics Engineering majoing in State Islamic University > Sunan Kalijaga Yogyakarta. > > In May 2015, I join and help GNOME.Asia Summit 2015 and become local > organizer of that event. If you are there, probably you see me, I am the one > who hold mic all day. I am the MC :D. [0] > > My journey with open-source began in 2009 when I got into Vocational High > School with Computer Engineering and Networking. We got Networking Subject > which is we should getting know RedHat and Fedora, and etc. > > In the first year of my university, I find digital or technology term is > common thing in my life. Being an IT student give me a rapid update about > its technology, but how about our social environment? Technology has been my > lifestyle but I do wish that I could share my experience, knowledge and > prosperity to society. > > From last couple years, I’ve been focused for help and contribute on > awareness of women in technology. One of my concern is the housewives and > motherhood, the very base user in technology. We help them by teach and > introduce them to newest technology or the explain the nearest technology > around them. In March, I started to take a dip to motherhood to introduce > them to the FOSS. [1]. The movement is called "Perempuan Sadar Teknologi" or > in English is called Women Awareness in Technology. > > After joining GNOME.Asia Summit 2015, I intend to attend GUADEC 2015, too. > Then I registered as volunteer for GUADEC and got sponsorship from GNOME > Foundation (thanks GNOME <3 ) to go Gutenberg, Sweden and meet a huge number > of contributor, user and developer of GNOME. > > Right now, I am preparing GNOME 3.18 Release Party in Yogyakarta, Indonesia. > We already got place and some sponsor, including from GNOME Foundation! It > is my pleasure to host GNOME event here. But we haven't receive the fund > yet. Hehehehe. > > We plan to not only having a party but also create some simple class from > motherhood and housewives to introduce them to FOSS and anti-piracy > campaign. If you all had a free time around first week of October, we will > pleased to meet you! > > > [0] http://2015.gnome.asia/ > [1] > https://iskandarsiska.wordpress.com/2015/03/23/introduce-foss-to-motherhood/ > > PS. GNOME 3.18 Release Party will happens at 3rd October, 2015 2 PM till 5 > PM GMT +7 Maps of Crystal Lotus Hotel, Yogyakarta > -- > All the best, > Siska Iskandar > WhatsApp : +62 8383 7177 191 > > > ___ > foundation-list mailing list > foundation-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list > ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: [travel] Privacy of information sent to the Travel Committee (was: GNOME.Asia Summit 2015 Travel Subsidy application is Open)
Hi Tobi Thanks for let me know this problem. Sorry, this is my fault. I am fix the problem now. The reason is I setup the folder to share private but not notice well about the link. I apologize for my mistake, wish you and all speakers to GNOME.Asia Summit 2015 could forgive my fatuity. (_ _) Thanks for your suggestion for encrypt the documents before uploading them. I still learn the process with travel process task, I will notice that and thanks you again Again, sorry for my personal mistake, wish you and all speakers could forgive me. Max Huang On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 2:57 AM, Tobias Mueller mue...@cryptobitch.de wrote: Hi! On Mi, 2015-04-01 at 15:30 +0800, Emily Chen wrote: Some extra comments: * Any information you send to the Travel Committee will be private. It has come to my attention that anyone can read information I trusted the travel-committee with, because it appears to reside on a publicly available Google Drive¹. So my private information, like my bank information or my address, can not only seen by Google, but also pretty much by anybody else. And I assume I am correct by thinking that not only my own private information, but also that of all others who have given their information to the travel-committee for requesting subsidy for GNOME.Asia Summit 2015 are exposed in that way. I have no information reg. the current GUADEC requests. I am still torn of how much of an issue it really is, given that mails sent to the travel-committee land in many GMail inboxes anyway. So the publicly available link might actually not compromise much of my privacy. But I feel like we should at least know about that level of exposure, as I wouldn't describe that as the information being private. I would also feel a little better if you not sent things like filled forms or receipts to Google. I suggest to either encrypt the documents before uploading them or to use the GNOME Wiki for storing them. Cheers, Tobi 1: https://muelli.cryptobitch.de/tmp/gdoc.png ___ travel-committee mailing list travel-commit...@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/travel-committee ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Question to GNOME Foundation Board candidates
Hello all, First, thanks to all candidates for volunteering to the Foundation Board. Max come from GNOME.Asia team and thanks GNOME and board support Asia. I have 2 questions to all candidates 1) How many hours per week do you expect you will be able to dedicate to working on the board on a regular basis? 2) What's your plan and view with GNOME in Asia? How do you think about grow GNOME in Asia?( ecosystem / contribute / sponsor / volunteer ... ) * Maybe you already notice -- there start to have sponsors from Asia with GUADEC.( There are 2 in 2015 and 1 in 2014 ) * There are some open source events related and co-work with GNOME Users Group or Members in Asia. For example ** Hong Kong Open Source Conference ( http://opensource.hk/event ) After GNOME.Asia Summit 2012, there are more GNOME and open source related activities in Hong Kong. They start Hong Kong Open Source Conference at 2013. ** openSUSE.Asia Summit ( https://events.opensuse.org/conference/summitasia14 ) ** FUDCon ( https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon?rd=Fudcon ) We held GNOME.Asia Summit 2014 together with FUDCon. I know there will be more people ask questions about all domain with GNOME, so I ask question with Asia first. Thanks again for all candidates volunteering to the Foundation Board. (_ _) Max Huaug ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Reminder - GNOME.Asia Summit 2015 Call for paper Deadline
Dear ALL: Just reminder, GNOME.Asia Summit 2015 Call for Paper deadline this week - 15th March, 2015. http://2015.gnome.asia/cfp A standard session at GNOME.Asia 2015 will be scheduled as 45 mins (35 mins talk + 10 mins QA). Please take into consideration any time you will need for preparation. The session could be a technical talk, panel discussion, or BOF. If you’d like to share your knowledge and experience at GNOME.Asia 2015, please fill in the form at before March 15th, 2015. GNOME.Asia team ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: New GNOME Foundation Member
Hi Haris Thanks for contribute to GNOME and join us. (_ _) Max Huang On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 7:13 PM, ahmad haris princeofg...@di.blankon.in wrote: Hello everyone, I'm Ahmad Haris (mostly known as princeofgiri) from Indonesia. I never contribute directly to GNOME. Recently, I'm a part of BlankOn http://blankonlinux.or.id Developer (local linux distribution) and have experience in many different team such as Artwork, Packaging, Public Relation and Project Manager. Today, I also supporting Local Organizer to make GNOME.ASIA 2015 come true. ^_^ I'm interesting to promoting GNOME desktop for everyone. Thank's for approval. Haris ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
GNOME.Asia summit 2015 is call for paper
GNOME.Asia summit 2015 is call for paper http://sakananote2english.blogspot.com/2015/02/gnomeasia-summit-2015-is-call-for-paper.html http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=959931218269978020postID=2100699742572729516from=pencil http://2015.gnome.asia/static/img/logo_2015.png http://2015.gnome.asia/cfp PRESENTING AT THE GNOME.ASIA SUMMIT *Click here to submit your presentation! http://2015.gnome.asia/cfp/submission/* GNOME.Asia Summit 2015 invites proposals for presentations at the conference. GNOME.Asia Summit is Asia's GNOME user and developer conference, spreading the knowledge of GNOME across Asia. The conference will be held in Universitas Indonesia, Depok West Java, Indonesia on May 8-9, 2015. The conference follows the release of GNOME 3.14, helping to bring new desktop paradigms that facilitate user interaction in the computing world. It will be a great place to celebrate and explore the many new features and enhancements to the GNOME 3.14 release and to help make GNOME as successful as possible. We welcome proposals by newcomers and experienced speakers alike. Possible topics* include*, but* not limited* to: How to Promote/Contribute to GNOME in Asia - GNOME Marketing - Promotion of Free / Open Source Software - How to run a Local GNOME Users Group - Asia success stories / Local GNOME Projects - GNOME and Educations - GNOME Outreach Program for Women - Google Summer of Code Hacking GNOME - Latest developments in GNOME - GNOME 3 GNOME 3 Usability - GNOME Human Interface Engineering (Icons and Graphic Design) - QA and testing in GNOME - GNOME Accessibility - GNOME Coding How-to - Writing applications for GNOME 3 - Integration of web life into the desktop Adapting GNOME to new types of devices - Developing GNOME on mobile devices (smart phones, tablets) - Developing GNOME on embedded systems or open source hardware - On-going projects and success stories - Finding Free and Open Source friendly hardware manufacturers Localization and Internationalization - Translations - Input methods - Fonts Other topics could include any topic related to Free and Open Source Software not listed above: - Small Board, - Open Hardware, - Open Data, - Big Data, - Cloud Computing, - Mobile Technology Lightning talks! A five minute presentation to demonstrate your work or promote an interesting topic. These talks will be grouped together in a single session. A standard session at GNOME.Asia 2015 will be scheduled as 45 mins (35 mins talk + 10 mins QA). Please take into consideration any time you will need for preparation. The session could be a technical talk, panel discussion, or BOF. If you’d like to share your knowledge and experience at GNOME.Asia 2015, please fill in the form at before *March 15th, 2015*. Please provide a short abstract about your proposal (under 150 words). Include your name, biographical information, a photo suitable for the web, a title, and a description of your presentation . The reviewing team will evaluate the entries based on the submitted abstracts and available time in the schedule. You will be contacted before *March 17th, 2015* on whether your submission has been accepted or not. All interested contributors are highly encouraged to send in their talks. Please help us to spread the invitation to other potential participants. Even you do not plan to be a speaker, please consider joining GNOME.Asia 2015. This is going to be a great event! *Click here to submit your presentation! http://2015.gnome.asia/cfp/submission/* ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Self introduction
Welcome Oliver ^__^ On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 5:57 PM, Oliver Propst oliver.pro...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, my name is Oliver Propst [1], I'm a new foundation member. I have contributed to the marketing efforts of GNOME (as part of the Engagement Team) since around 2010. Beside my GNOME contributions I'm also involved with the Mozilla community [2] and organizing the free software/society conference FSCONS [3] (which Karen keynoted last year). Other interests includes exercise, take pictures [4] and read comics [5]. Professionally I work as a public school teacher, although this semester I'm attending a course at the University here in Gothenburg, Sweden where I live. I look forward to continue contribute to the Engagement Team efforts and collaborate with the rest of the GNOME community. 1 https://twitter.com/Opropst 2 https://reps.mozilla.org/u/oliver_propst/ 3 https://fscons.org/2013/ 4 http://500px.com/oliverpropst 5 https://www.goodreads.com/user/show/18407066-oliver-propst -- -mvh Oliver Propst ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: New challenge
Hi Karen: It's great time to work with you and learn from you. GNOME.Asia will keep grow and learn. Wish could see you in Asia and somewhere. Thanks for everything you did with GNOME and Asia. Max Huang 2014/3/31 下午11:57 於 Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org 寫道： Hi Foundation members, I've posted some news on my blog. Working as the GNOME Foundation Executive Director has been an incredible experience for me and GNOME has made some impressive progress in my time at the Foundation. I'm proud of where the GNOME community is and think it's time for me to hand the reins over to someone new. Today I am announcing my new position as the Software Freedom Conservancy Executive Director. As many of you know, I have been volunteering with Conservancy for some time, having co-founded it when I was at SFLC. It is an important organization where I think I can make a difference, and GNOME is in good hands. The current board of directors continues to impress me with their commitment and varied skillset and I know they will continue to lead the organization well. There's a more detailed discussion of this change on my blog at gnomg.orgbut of course, I have no intention of leaving GNOME. I plan to announce my candidacy for the board when the call comes out, I'll stay on as pro bono counsel, and of course I'll continue volunteering in other ways. The Conservancy has also agreed to partner with GNOME, so that I can help to run the Outreach Program for Women with Marina. I'm excited for my new role and am glad I can continue to work with you in so many ways. karen ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
GNOME Asia Summit 2014 T-SHIRT CONTEST
Dear ALL: GNOME.Asia Summit 2014 will be held in *Beijing, China* in *May 24-25, 2014*. We are looking for YOUR help to design t-shirts for this year's Summit. We need two new shirt designs, one for participants and another for volunteers. The contest is open from now until *March 31st, 2014*. Voting will begin * April 1st* and run through *April 3, 2014*. Everyone is encouraged to log in and vote at this page: http://2014.gnome.asia/tshirts/ Prizes No contest should be called a contest without some prizes! This year we have the following up for grab: - *Winner:* A Special gift from local team and two t-shirts with your winning design *Note*: The final decision will be made by GNOME.Asia Summit Committee. Please understand that the highest vote score of the design may not be designated the final winner due to cost or other production considerations. Good luck! ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Reminder: GNOME.Asia 2014 Summit Call for Paper Deadline -- 3th Mar, 2014
Thanks Andre ^__^ That is my mistake -- cause just finish Facebook reminder. (_ _) Please use directly link http://2014.gnome.asia/cfp Thanks Andre and everyone Max ^__^ On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 1:42 AM, Andre Klapper ak...@gmx.net wrote: On Fri, 2014-02-28 at 20:28 +0800, Max wrote: Dear ALL: GNOME.Asia summit 2014 summit in Beijing. Please fill in the form before March 3th. 2014 http://2014.gnome.asia/cfp/ If you are privacy concerned, don't click the link in the HTML version of the email. The link does not go to http://2014.gnome.asia/cfp/; as it looks like, but instead goes to a Facebook referer at http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2F2014.gnome.asia%2Fcfp%2Fh=3AQEVgHdUenc=AZPmOpbp5PvY1SVTy1dQ2VKNB6KtPkv_1X03J93L2P-d0ewrpgubDMJ4BhoZCgaQTgyHo5oVpQjxSOsl0lPrxz6I7d0h84Gsu_JQWxL1DEdGaoYBu-2wD5wiQvlguJWTMtJwzh65APfplO4X1kWfyj9_s=1 andre -- Andre Klapper | ak...@gmx.net http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/ ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Reminder: GNOME.Asia 2014 Summit Call for Paper Deadline -- 3th Mar, 2014
Dear ALL: GNOME.Asia summit 2014 summit in Beijing. Please fill in the form before March 3th. 2014 http://2014.gnome.asia/cfp/http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2F2014.gnome.asia%2Fcfp%2Fh=3AQEVgHdUenc=AZPmOpbp5PvY1SVTy1dQ2VKNB6KtPkv_1X03J93L2P-d0ewrpgubDMJ4BhoZCgaQTgyHo5oVpQjxSOsl0lPrxz6I7d0h84Gsu_JQWxL1DEdGaoYBu-2wD5wiQvlguJWTMtJwzh65APfplO4X1kWfyj9_s=1 GNOME.Asia Committee ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
GNOME.Asia 2014 to be held in Beijing
Hosting GNOME.Asia Summit 2014 May 24-25, 2014 Beijing It is with great pleasure that we announce that Beijing has been selected as the venue of our upcoming GNOME.Asia Summit 2014. GNOME.Asia Summit 2014 follows the release of GNOME 3.12, helping to bring new desktop paradigms that facilitate user interaction in the computing world. It will be a great place to celebrate and explore the many new features and enhancements to GNOME 3 and to help make GNOME as successful as possible. The first ever GNOME.Asia Summit 2008 was hosted in Beijing. It will be great for GNOME.Asia to come back to Beijing again in the year of 2014. Beijing is the capital of the People’s Republic of China has been the political and cultural center of China for centuries. The city is renowned for its opulent palaces, temples, huge stone walls and gates, and its art treasures and universities have made it a center of culture and art in China. There are good airport connections, and train/bus/subway infrastructure. We believe that hosting the event in Beijing will bring the spotlight on GNOME and make an impact locally, regionally and internationally in terms of business and community building. The venue for the conference will be the BeiHang University (Beijing University of Aeronautics and Astronautics), which has been at the center of the GNOME.Asia Community for many years. Many of the repeat organizers of the GNOME.Asia Summit are based in Beijing. We would like to thank everyone who participated in the GNOME.Asia 2014bidding process. We look forward to working with you more in the future! GNOME.Asia Committee ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME Foundation Board Elections Spring 2013 - Preliminary Results
Congratulations to all the preliminary candidates ! ^__^ On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 11:39 PM, Andrea Veri a...@gnome.org wrote: Dear Foundation Members, the GNOME Foundation Membership Elections Committee is pleased to announce the preliminary results for the Board of Directors. We strongly encourage everyone to look at the detailed results to verify their ballot. (see below) These results can be challenged by sending an e-mail to electi...@gnome.org. The challenges have to be sent before Tuesday, 2013-06-18, 23:59 UTC. Please note these results should not be considered final until any challenge have been resolved. The results can be found at: http://vote.gnome.org/vote/results.php?election_id=21 A list of all votes can be found at: http://vote.gnome.org/vote/votes.php?election_id=21 If the results are not challenged, the new Board will be composed by: Tobias Mueller Joanmarie Diggs Emmanuele Bassi Andreas Nilsson Sriram Ramkrishna Ekaterina Gerasimova Marina Zhurakhinskaya. Some figures about the votes: there were 361 registered voters. 192 voters sent valid ballots. Cheers, Andrea Veri on behalf of the GNOME Foundation Membership Elections Committee ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Question to GNOME Foundation Board candidates
Thanks Brain 2013/5/22 上午3:17 於 Brian Cameron brian.came...@oracle.com 寫道： My question to the candidates: For all candidates, how do you see being on the board will enhance or facilitate the volunteer work you already do in the commutity? It might be enhance for GNOME.Asia organize, cause we could get response more quickly and runing at the same time. How many hours per week do you expect you will be able to dedicate to working on the board on a regular basis? I have no idea about that, cause I am not board member now. Brian ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list Best regards Max ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Question to GNOME Foundation Board candidates
Hello Fabiana I am not the board member, but I just think about your suggestion. Maybe we could have a blog which all board members co-write for that blog. And for everything board did with the article, we cloud give it a tag, for example GUADEC or GNOME.Asia. Foudation members could sumbit the blog RSS to see what is happening, and go to the blog website filter the tag to see what's happen recently. Ask some question in the blog. I have no idea it's good or not. Maybe wiki is a good choice too. Max :-) 2013/5/20 下午10:23 於 Fabiana Simões fabianapsim...@gmail.com 寫道： Hello all, First, thanks to all candidates for volunteering to the Foundation Board. We have a number of candidates running for a second term, and knowing what were these candidates' contributions to the Foundation in the past year is quite important for me as a voter. However, as per Zeeshan's questions, I find it hard to follow the Board's progress and accomplishments. I would like to know what are your ideas on improving the visibility of the Board's actions, and communication to Foundation members. Thanks, Fabiana ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Official announcement and invitation to GNOME.Asia Summit 2013
Dear all: GNOME.Asia 2013 is calling for papers. GNOME.Asia Summit is Asia’s GNOME user and developer conference, spreading the knowledge of GNOME across Asia. The conference will be held in NIPA Business Center, Sangam-dong Seoul, Korea on May 24 -25, 2013. The conference follows the release of GNOME 3.8, helping to bring new desktop paradigms that facilitate user interaction in the computing world. It will be a great place to celebrate and explore the many new features and enhancements to the groundbreaking GNOME 3 release and to help make GNOME as successful as possible. Learn more: http://sakananote2english.blogspot.tw/2013/02/gnomeasia-2013-is-now-calling-for-papers.html * * https://live.gnome.org/GnomeAsia/2013Summit ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Introduce myself
Hi Jiro: Welcome on board ^__^ はじめましで I am Max from Taiwan. Wish someday we could have GNOME.Asia summit in Japan. ^___^ Max On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 6:07 PM, Jiro Matsuzawa jmatsuz...@gnome.org wrote: Hi all, My name is Jiro Matsuzawa. I am a new member of the GNOME Foundation. I live in Japan. I've been translating GNOME into Japanese since 2010. The Japanese translation team is so active. I'm interested in not only i18n/l10n but also a11y and documentation. I've made some presentations on GNOME at FLOSS-related events in Japan so that more people get involved in GNOME. I'll continue to contribute to GNOME. I'm really happy to become a GNOME member. Thank you for approving my membership. All the best! -- Jiro Matsuzawa E-mail: jmatsuz...@gnome.org jmatsuz...@src.gnome.org matsuzawa...@gmail.com GPG Key ID: 0xECC442E9 GPG Key Fingerprint: E086 C14A 869F BB0E 3541 19EB E370 B08B ECC4 42E9 ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Official announcement and invitation to GNOME.Asia Summit 2012
Dear all, GNOME.Asia 2012 is calling for papers. GNOME.Asia Summit is Asia’s GNOME user and developer conference, spreading the knowledge of GNOME across Asia. The conference will be held in Hong Kong on June 9 and 10. The conference follows the release of GNOME 3.4, helping to bring new desktop paradigms that facilitate user interaction in the computing world. It will be a great place to celebrate and explore the many new features and enhancements to the groundbreaking GNOME 3 release and to help make GNOME as successful as possible. Learn more: http://sakananote2english.blogspot.in/2012/04/gnomeasia-2012-is-now-calling-for.html https://live.gnome.org/GnomeAsia/2012Summit Max ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME.Asia 2012 Official Announcement
Dear Andre: Thanks andre do us a big favor. ^__^ thanks you We just update the https://live.gnome.org/GnomeAsia/2012Summit and start spread it out -- mail invitaion for Call for Paper to mail-list. Thanks to help us make things go forward. ^^ Best regards Max On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 7:59 PM, Andre Klapper ak...@gmx.net wrote: Brian Cameron píše v Po 20. 02. 2012 v 11:38 -0600: Hosting GNOME.Asia 2012 June 9-15, 2012 Hong Kong Maybe I'm just impatient or don't follow the right places, but: I don't see any activity on https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-asia-list/ since October 2011. https://live.gnome.org/GnomeAsia/2012Summit just links to CallForHost and Bids. That's both outdated now that we go for Hongkong. Call for Papers was mentioned in https://mail.gnome.org/archives/asia-summit-list/2012-March/msg2.html but I didn't see a call on planet.gnome.org or on the foundation-list. Last post on marketing-l...@gnome.org with Asia in subject line was in May 2011 so it seems that the marketing team is not involved? Last post in https://www.facebook.com/groups/23768529182/ also just mentions its existance: GNOME.Asia 2012 will be in Hong Kong on June 9-15. http://2012.gnome.asia/rfp/ seems to be online though - I just assume that simply nobody knows about it. If it hadn't come to my mind that I'm interested in giving some talks I wouldn't have found out that the submission deadline is in 17 days. Does anybody do some basic marketing for GNOME.Asia 2012? It doesn't feel like currently. andre -- mailto:ak...@gmx.net | failed http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list -- _/_/ openSUSE Ambassador - Taiwan _/_/ _/_/ mail: sakanamax_at_gmail.com _/_/ _/_/ twitter: sakanamax _/_/ _/_/ nickname: sakana _/_/ -- ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: New Foundation Members
Dear Joone: Awesome, it's a great news for GNOME.Asia And congratulation for new foundation memeber. ^__^ Best regards Max 2012/2/22 Joone Hur joone@gmail.com Hi Emily, Our community will be able to help you organize GNOME.Asia in Seoul. Thank you, Joone On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Emily Chen emilychen...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Joone, Congratulations to be the GNOME Foundation members. GNOME.Asia always want to go to Korea, hope we will work with Korea local community to make this happen in future. -Emily 2012/2/21 Joone Hur joone@gmail.com On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 11:11 PM, Andrea Veri a...@gnome.org wrote: Hi, this is the first time we actually receive so many membership's applications in just two weeks and I'm glad to notice that the GNOME Foundation is increasing its value. But here we go with a list of the newly approved members: 13. Joone Hur (WebKitGTK+ and WebKitClutter contributions, GNOME Promoter in South Korea) Hello everyone, I will also use this announcement to introduce myself. My name is Joone Hur and I'm from Incheon, Korea. I’ve been contributing to WebKitGtk+ since 2010 and have worked for Collabora since 2011. Currently, I am working on Webkit-Clutter and focusing on Accelerated Compositing. The main reason why I decided to become a GNOME foundation member is to let GNOME folks know about the GNOME Korea community(http://gnome.or.kr). The GNOME Korea community started to translate for GNOME in 1998, and is mainly working on Korean translation(http://l10n.gnome.org/teams/ko/). Changwoo Ryu has led the Korean translation team since the early stages of GNOME. As a member of the GNOME Korea community, I organize a GNOME Tech Talks every month to introduce various GNOME technologies to Korean developers and am also in charge of maintaining the GNOME Korea blog ( http://gnome-kr.blogspot.com/). I'm really grateful to become a new GNOME foundation member. In particular, I’d like to thank Xan and Gustavo(Kov) for helping me to become involved in WebKitGtk+ development. In the future, I will try to report on activities of the GNOME Korea community and my GNOME experiences through Planet GNOME. Thank you for approving my membership. Joone ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: New Foundation Members
Welcome new members ^_^ ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Introduction
Hi Mike: Congrats! ^___^ 2011/10/27 Michael Hill mdhil...@gmail.com: My name is Mike Hill, and I'm a new Foundation member. I recently started contributing to the documentation effort with User Docs and System Monitor Docs. I began using Debian in late 1996. In 1998 I moved from a position as a Designer/Drafter at the engineering company where I'm still employed, to Network Administrator with 50-100 users. Outside of work I was involved with the SGI Linux port in a build/test capacity, by virtue of having an Indy as a home computer. In 1999 I discovered GNOME and Ottawa Linux Symposium through the SGI Linux list, and Neal Stephenson through a Cryptonomicon review on Slashdot. At work I was running Debian firewalls. In 2003 I replaced a NetWare/Exchange Server network with Samba/Openexchange running on SLES. I was downloading and building Evolution and Epiphany on my administrator desktop machine. In late 2004 I started running Ubuntu, and no longer had to install GNOME explicitly. The following year the company was acquired by a much larger one; I became IT manager, but my SLES server was replaced by a number of Windows ones. GNOME continued running in the background without my attention, until... In February 2010, Linux Magazine columnist and local SF writer Marcel Gagne blogged about GNOME Shell. I tried it and was enthralled. I periodically attempted to get it running on Ubuntu, and sometimes succeeded. In March of this year, Jim Campbell posted to the Toronto LUG list that the docs team was coming to town. I jumped at the opportunity to get involved, and went out to meet Shaun and the crew. I needed a dependably-running GNOME 3 and was armed with the Live DVD and my Ubuntu laptop. Tiffany showed me that GNOME Shell needed to be killed in order for it to truly live on Ubuntu, and Phil taught me how to install git with zypper on openSUSE. I switched to openSUSE. (Periodically I attempt to get GNOME 3 running on Debian.) I'm indebted to the Foundation for sponsorships to this year's Summits. I've posted further, briefer thoughts about these on my blog, below (not on Planet GNOME yet). I'm delighted to be a Foundation member. Mike http://mdhill.posterous.com/ ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
