Re: Meeting Minutes Published - November 11, 2010
Cesar, El 17/12/2010 12:21, Piñeiro escribió: ... So, turn cross-platform Orca means turns two modules, and create a new one. This is a really big amount of work to do. And we enter in a vicious circle. You proposed that turn in order to get funds. But we would require a really big amount of funds to get that. Thanks for your explanation which helped me to understand better how Orca works. Agreed. Given this scenario it seems clear that the effort is greater than the return. However, IMHO, I think that this approach could be taken into account for some new AT projects, especially those less dependant on specific api's (for instance, I'm thinking of AAC software). Beyond probably increasing funding opportunities (according to previous comments in this thread), a larger user base could be reached. Is just my opinion. This is already being done. Dasher is already cross-platform. The plug-ins to Open Office to generate DAISY books or print to braille are cross-platform (well, the braille part will be on other platforms soon). Etc. Having been involved in an attempt at making a cross-platform screen reader (we wanted to make the new outSPOKEN both for Windows and Mac - and I had an experimental port to SunOS going back in the day), I'm of the opinion that the overhead cost in abstracting the different approaches hooks such for the different platforms is likely not worth the cost - vs. just developing separate efforts which share ideas. Peter -- Peter Korn | Accessibility Principal Phone: +1 650 5069522 500 Oracle Parkway | Redwood City, CA 94065 Oracle is committed to developing practices and products that help protect the environment ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Inviting GNOME to participate at an accessibility event
Hi all, Thanks for forwarding this on Stormy! To echo Stormy, we would love to have a significant GNOME accessibility end-user and developer presence at the AEGIS conference in Seville October 6-8. GNOME accessibility is a key facet of AEGIS, with direct contributions to GNOME Shell magnification, Bonobo deprecation, GNOME accessibility testing coming from AEGIS (as well as indirect contributions through accessibility work on OpenOffice.org, Firefox, and OpenGazer, among others). We are also hoping to put together a GNOME Accessibility Hackfest at one or the other end of the conference. I hope to have more details soon on that, and then later more still when we publish the detailed conference agenda. Regards, Peter Korn Accessibility Principal Oracle AEGIS Technical Manager It would be great to have GNOME a11y work well represented at this conference. Stormy -- Forwarded message -- From: fro...@otenet.gr mailto:fro...@otenet.gr Date: Mon, May 17, 2010 at 12:16 PM Subject: Event: Access for All in the desktop, web and mobile field: an end-user and developer perspective To: i...@guadec.org mailto:i...@guadec.org Dear colleague, We would like to kindly invite you to the 2nd Pan-European Workshop/User Forum and the 1st International ÆGIS Conference entitled “Access for All in the desktop, web and mobile field: an end-user and developer perspective” which will take place in Seville, Spain on 6 and 7-8 October 2010 respectively. For the dedicated developers, a free developer camp (clinic) will take place on the 9th of October 2010. All events are organised by the ÆGIS IP initiative (Open Accessibility Everywhere: Groundwork, Infrastructure, Standards - www.aegis-project.eu http://www.aegis-project.eu), partially funded under FP7 (Theme: ICT#8208;2007.7.1; ICT Ageing). With an estimated total population of 501 million (http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu, 1 January 2010), an estimated 45 million people in Europe have a LSHPD (long-standing health problem or disability). A mere 20-30% are believed to use Assistive Technology (AT), but concrete figures do not exist. In fact, most people with disabilities are not even aware of what AT exists. This workshop and conference aims to help spread the word on the existence of AT, and especially on technology that is freely available. The Workshop/User Forum aims to bring together end-users and experts in the field of assistive technologies, from both the OSS community as well as the proprietary one, that focus on the accessibility of desktop, web and mobile applications. During the workshop the project will present the tools developed so far, and will stimulate discussions between both end-users and application developers vis-à-vis the project’s outcomes so far. The outcomes will be taken into account by the Consortium during the further course of the project. Participation to the workshop will be free of charge. The conference aims to gather presenters that address both the end-users as well as the developers’ perspective in a number of areas (see topics below). Interactive demos of Assistive Technology ICT, in the Rich Internet Applications, Desktop Applications and Mobile Applications areas as well as developers’ tools that embed accessibility plug-ins will also be demonstrated in a separate exhibition area. The participation fee will be €150 for researchers, €50 for students and people with disabilities and free for personal assistants. In addition, an exhibition space will be provided as well which will be open throughout the conference duration. The fee for exhibitors will be € 300. The registration form for each of the aforementioned events will be available shortly via the project’s website (www.aegis-project.eu http://www.aegis-project.eu). We kindly invite you and your colleagues to submit papers in the following categories: * Scientific papers * Technical papers Conference topics (non-exhaustive list): * Accessible desktop applications (AT, developer tools and accessible applications) * Accessible mobile applications (AT, developer tools and accessible applications) * Accessible Rich Internet Applications (AT, developer tools and accessible applications) * Accessibility and Standardisation (e.g. ISO, eInclusion, Policies, Legislation) * Accessibility and Usability (e.g. Design for All) * Accessibility research (e.g. Assistive technology usage by end-users and their satisfaction, innovative AT training via accessible e-learning) Important dates: * Abstract submission: 28th May 2010 * Notification of abstracts acceptance: 14th June 2010 * Submission of external exhibitions by 30th June 2010 * Paper submission deadline: 9th July 2010 * Notification of acceptance and outcome of review process: 23rd July 2010 * Final camera ready papers: 31st August 2010 * Registration by 30th September 2010 Abstracts
Re: GNOME Foundation Announces Program to Sponsor Accessibility Projects
Hi gang, To amplify on what David said... While many folks with disabilities are understandably most focused on getting a solution that works for them (whether proprietary or not, so long as they have it and can thus use technology, be on the 'net, etc.), I think an increasing number feel that FOSS accessibility is very important. See http://blogs.sun.com/korn/date/20080223 for my writeup of a pair of videos from India about FOSS accessibility (and specifically about Orca on Ubuntu), and the very clear statement from Krishnakant Mane on this topic. Peter Richard Stallman wrote: Note that this press release is not about free software, but about accessibility It's about accessibility for GNOME, thus accessibility for free software. The fact that GNOME is free software isn't the main point of this announcement, but it should be a side point. Yes. It is so important that accessibility be 'free'. It is so frustrating when these solutions are not shared and improved. Imagine not been allowed to fix a bug to enable someone! G (RMS I know how easy that is for you to imagine :) ) D ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Can there be an Official Hardware Partner for GNOME
Hi Josh, I think it makes sense to separate out an organization/community like GNOME from an event like GUADEC. I think being the official foo of GUADEC is different from being the official foo of GNOME. Being the official foo elevates foo over anything else in foo's category. There can only be one. This is distinct from more general sponsorship - you can have any number of silver/gold/platinum sponsors. You can have only one official in any given category (and how many categories are there for software? I mean, sure, there is the official soft drink of GNOME/GUADEC, but really...). For my own part, I am much more comfortable with the former than the latter, for several reasons. First, it has a natural time-out. When GUADEC X is over (or after some number of months after it is over), the relationship can naturally be over. Someone else can gain that coveted slot later. The amount someone has to give to gain that coveted slot (assuming it goes up in value over time) may go up. The second reason I prefer this is that it puts GNOME as a whole at an arms-length distance from foo. Regards, Peter Korn Accessibility Architect, Sun Microsystems, Inc. Hi everybody! Maybe you noticed my blog post on planet.gnome.org Transtec (http://www.transtec.de/) is very eager to sponsor hardware for the GNOME event box. I'm currently negotiating the terms. They'd like to go even further by establishing a partnership with GNOME. That's why I'd like to know whether GNOME can have an Official Hardware Partner, something the company can advertise with. What's in for us? Well, I'd like to get the following things: * Significant discount on their hardware for GNOME, e.g. for the Event Box * A discount on their hardware for GNOME foundation members * Providing hardware for events, e.g. GUADEC, on loan-basis I think we can benefit from a deal like that while still maintaining our independence. Are there any concerns from the side of the foundation board? Anyway, I try to bring them to the advisory board as well and the hardware for the event box is already a deal. I now try to get Novell, Red Hat, Sun etc. to provide some funds as well (The plan is to plaster up the box with the logos of the sponsors). I'll keep you posted! Regards, Josh PS: Do we have an official contact with Intel? Maybe they will provide some funds as well ;-) ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
