Re: Is there GNU/Linux distribution which includes always latest gnome 3

[Alberto Ruiz]

Hello everyone,I would politely ask to end this thread, discussing the name
of Arch linux on this list accomplishes nothing.


2014-04-12 14:02 GMT+02:00 Richard Stallman :

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> > By the way, there also an Arch Hurd distro[1] as well as a Debian
> > GNU/kFreeBSD version.
> >
> That would be Arch GNU I suppose?
>
> The clearest name for it is "Arch GNU/Hurd".  That shows that it is
> nearly the same as Arch GNU/Linux, and also shows just what the small
> difference is.
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Re: Is there GNU/Linux distribution which includes always latest gnome 3

[Richard Stallman]

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> By the way, there also an Arch Hurd distro[1] as well as a Debian
> GNU/kFreeBSD version.
>
That would be Arch GNU I suppose?

The clearest name for it is "Arch GNU/Hurd".  That shows that it is
nearly the same as Arch GNU/Linux, and also shows just what the small
difference is.

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Re: Is there GNU/Linux distribution which includes always latest gnome 3

[Sriram Ramkrishna]

On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 7:10 AM, Mathieu Stumpf
 wrote:
> Le mercredi 02 avril 2014 à 16:02 -0400, Richard Stallman a écrit :
>> [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]]
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>>
>> This mean, there is an ArchLinux system, which is a GNU/Linux
>> system, not only Linux system, but the name is still ArchLinux.
>>
>> Their distro is a version of the GNU/Linux system.  By calling their
>> distro "ArchLinux", they are (in effect) changing the name of our
>> system, calling it "Linux".
>>
>> So they have no right to complain if we correct their error
>> and call their distro "Arch GNU/Linux".
>>
>
> By the way, there also an Arch Hurd distro[1] as well as a Debian
> GNU/kFreeBSD version.
>
That would be Arch GNU I suppose?

sri


> [1] http://www.archhurd.org/
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Re: Is there GNU/Linux distribution which includes always latest gnome 3

[Mathieu Stumpf]

Le mercredi 02 avril 2014 à 16:02 -0400, Richard Stallman a écrit :
> [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]]
> [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]]
> [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]
> 
> This mean, there is an ArchLinux system, which is a GNU/Linux
> system, not only Linux system, but the name is still ArchLinux.
> 
> Their distro is a version of the GNU/Linux system.  By calling their
> distro "ArchLinux", they are (in effect) changing the name of our
> system, calling it "Linux".
> 
> So they have no right to complain if we correct their error
> and call their distro "Arch GNU/Linux".
> 

By the way, there also an Arch Hurd distro[1] as well as a Debian
GNU/kFreeBSD version.

[1] http://www.archhurd.org/


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Re: Distribution Naming System (Was: Re: Is there GNU/Linux distribution which includes always latest gnome 3)

[Richard Stallman]

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The basic point of your message is a variant of a FAQ,
http://www.gnu.org/gnu/gnu-linux-faq.html#alienate.

Richard, I think you should think about why GNU got itself in such
situation, the GNU project failed to build a brand and communicate an
appealing message, Linux built a great brand instead. 

Other people put their "brand" on our work, which was harmful to us
and beneficial for them.  Your description recounts those events with
a lot of spin: it blames the GNU Project for what was done to us,
while congratulating the success of those who did it.

I think I will add this to the GNU/Linux FAQ.

There are already plenty of people and projects that call the system
GNU/Linux -- not just GNU activities such as this one.  There is no
final outcome.  We in GNOME can influence the outcome, and we should.

You've raised some interesting development questions, and I will think
about them, but I think they are separate issues.

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Re: Distribution Naming System (Was: Re: Is there GNU/Linux distribution which includes always latest gnome 3)

[Alberto Ruiz]

As much as I would like to call this thread off and stop the off topic
trend, I can't help but get this out of my chest:

Richard, I think you should think about why GNU got itself in such
situation, the GNU project failed to build a brand and communicate an
appealing message, Linux built a great brand instead. You find that
unfortunate for a collection of reasons. You worry about making sure that
the use of software freedom is tied with the word spreading of its message,
I think we all do in here or we wouldn't be in the GNOME Foundation, you're
just not being very effective and wasting your valuable time in making sure
people is afraid of typing the word Linux without the GNU/ prefix.

You just don't build brands by correcting every single individual you
stumble upon telling them how wrong they are when they speak about
something. Beyond the realm of free software, in general that's considered
almost rude, if anything it doesn't make you very likeable. Most of the
time what you achieve is the exact opposite, people get tired of hearing
about GNU. Perhaps this article[0] from Miguel will help you understand how
counter-productive this is, even if you are right. This speech[1] from Phil
Plait also raises some really good points about word-spreading in the
context of science and scepticism, it is well worth the watch and a lot of
the points are _very_ relevant to the free software movement.

If the GNU project wants to have a brand/name/project people want to feel
related to, maybe you should start thinking about making an effort to
understand which type of projects you should be fostering and hosting and
what kind of message you need to send. Certainly, if you started to talk
about GNU in terms of positives instead of negatives you would gather more.
systemd, CoreOS, LLVM, OpenStack, LibreOffice, GitLab... there are so many
interesting problems and critical to software freedom being solved outside
of the GNU umbrella these days. I do wonder, have you ever reached out to
the leaders of these projects and asked them why they didn't consider to
host their code and relate their projects to GNU more tightly? And if so,
have you considered what GNU can do to make that happen in the future?

You are a persuasive individual with a huge amount of influence in the tech
and the open culture movement, it makes me sad to see you spending so much
energy on calling for credit for what you did 20-15-10 years ago (and most
of the time, preaching to the choir while doing it)  instead of focusing on
what you can do _today_ to keep building credit (not saying you're not
doing anything, just saying that that's not the focus of your message). It
is also sad to think that most people don't know of anything exciting or
relevant that GNU is doing these days, that's the problem you ought to fix,
s/Linux/GNU\/Linux/ is the least of our problems IMHO.

I don't want to sound like I know exactly what you should be doing, nor do
I want you to think that I am telling you what to do, that is for you to
decide. But with all of this I wanted to invite you to question whether you
are using your time, energy and the amount of attention you get in the best
possible way towards software freedom.

Best regards Richard.

[0] http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2011/Feb-17.html
[1] https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4524326/PhilPlait.ogg (Richard, I
hope you appreciate I downloaded and re-encoded this video for you to enjoy
it  without the use of Flash nor requiring any patent encumbered codecs)


2014-04-04 13:40 GMT+02:00 Richard Stallman :

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>
> By calling it Linux, I'm also not recognizing the work of the Apache
> foundation. I'm also not recognising that systemd is basically running
> the whole show nowadays. I think those projects should be recognised,
> but I'm also sure I don't want to type GNU/Linux/Apache/systemd every
> time I refer to my OS.
>
> That argument is a FAQ.  See
> http://www.gnu.org/gnu/gnu-linux-faq.html#many.
>
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Re: Distribution Naming System (Was: Re: Is there GNU/Linux distribution which includes always latest gnome 3)

[Richard Hughes]

On 3 April 2014 19:18, Richard Stallman  wrote:
> That's true.  Most distros do not recognize that this system is
> basically GNU; they give the credit for the GNU Project's work
> to Mr Torvalds, rather than to us.

By calling it Linux, I'm also not recognizing the work of the Apache
foundation. I'm also not recognising that systemd is basically running
the whole show nowadays. I think those projects should be recognised,
but I'm also sure I don't want to type GNU/Linux/Apache/systemd every
time I refer to my OS.

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Re: Distribution Naming System (Was: Re: Is there GNU/Linux distribution which includes always latest gnome 3)

[Richard Stallman]

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By calling it Linux, I'm also not recognizing the work of the Apache
foundation. I'm also not recognising that systemd is basically running
the whole show nowadays. I think those projects should be recognised,
but I'm also sure I don't want to type GNU/Linux/Apache/systemd every
time I refer to my OS.

That argument is a FAQ.  See http://www.gnu.org/gnu/gnu-linux-faq.html#many.

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Re: Is there GNU/Linux distribution which includes always latest gnome 3

[Richard Stallman]

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As many people on this list know, I too prefer the term GNU/Linux, and 
it's been GNOME's official policy to use the term. FWIW, I try to avoid 
this problem by referring to the project as just "Arch".

If we call it just "Arch", that's an ok solution.
That way at least we're not spreading the mistake.

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Re: Is there GNU/Linux distribution which includes always latest gnome 3

[Richard Stallman]

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the name of distributions and whether or not it conforms to the
requests of the GNU project has nothing to do with the GNOME project
or the GNOME Foundation.

That's true.  The issue I brought up is how WE talk about these
distros -- that's how it relates to GNOME.

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Re: Distribution Naming System (Was: Re: Is there GNU/Linux distribution which includes always latest gnome 3)

[Ali/amjjawad]

On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Richard Stallman  wrote:

> [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]]
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>
> I have done a quick search on the 'active' distributions on
> DistroWatch.com
> and only very few systems are following your logic:
>
> http://distrowatch.com/search.php?status=Active
>
>
Thanks for your reply :)



> That's true.  Most distros do not recognize that this system is
> basically GNU; they give the credit for the GNU Project's work
> to Mr Torvalds, rather than to us.
>

Indeed.


>
> The frequence of this mistake is why correcting it is important.
> If the mistake were rare, we might as well not worry about it.
>

I couldn't agree more :)

>From now and on, for me, I'll do my best to always write "GNU/Linux"
instead of "Linux". After all, it will cost me one extra second and GNU
Project and everyone who worked so hard on that project for all these years
are definitely deserve this extra second :)



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>
Thank you!

P.S.
I'm going to ask my team to change the home page of ToriOS.org to reflect
this correction.

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Re: Is there GNU/Linux distribution which includes always latest gnome 3

[Emmanuele Bassi]

okay, can we please stop this pointless thread on foundation-list?

the name of distributions and whether or not it conforms to the
requests of the GNU project has nothing to do with the GNOME project
or the GNOME Foundation.

if you want to propose a name change, or want to raise the issue of
the name of the Arch distribution, feel free to send an email to their
project mailing list.

ciao,
 Emmanuele.


On 3 April 2014 19:05, Yosef Or Boczko  wrote:
> Btw, in the name of my system there is GNU/Linux credit:
> $ uname -a
> Linux yoseforb 3.14.0-1-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Tue Apr 1 23:08:28 CEST 2014
> x86_64 GNU/Linux
>
> Regards,
> Yosef Or Boczko
>
> בתאריך ה', אפר 3, 2014 בשעה 9:06 PM, Karen Sandler  כתב:
>
>> On 2014-04-03 04:28, Ali/amjjawad wrote:
>>
>>
>> > Arch is a variant of the GNU/Linux system, so please let's not call it
>> > "Arch Linux".  Calling the whole system "Linux" is, in effect, giving
>> > Torvalds credit for our work, so we get no credit for it.
>> > > See http://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html [1] and
>> > http://www.gnu.org/gnu/gnu-linux-faq.html [2], plus the history in
>> > http://www.gnu.org/gnu/the-gnu-project.html [3].
>> > > Since Arch is a version of GNU/Linux, the right term is Arch
>> > > GNU/Linux.
>>
>> As many people on this list know, I too prefer the term GNU/Linux, and
>> it's been GNOME's official policy to use the term. FWIW, I try to avoid this
>> problem by referring to the project as just "Arch".
>>
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Re: Is there GNU/Linux distribution which includes always latest gnome 3

[Yosef Or Boczko]

Btw, in the name of my system there is GNU/Linux credit:
$ uname -a
Linux yoseforb 3.14.0-1-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Tue Apr 1 23:08:28 CEST 
2014 x86_64 GNU/Linux


Regards,
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בתאריך ה', אפר 3, 2014 בשעה 9:06 PM, Karen Sandler 
 כתב:

On 2014-04-03 04:28, Ali/amjjawad wrote:


> Arch is a variant of the GNU/Linux system, so please let's not call 
it
> "Arch Linux".  Calling the whole system "Linux" is, in effect, 
giving

> Torvalds credit for our work, so we get no credit for it.
> 
> See http://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html [1] and

> http://www.gnu.org/gnu/gnu-linux-faq.html [2], plus the history in
> http://www.gnu.org/gnu/the-gnu-project.html [3].
> 
> Since Arch is a version of GNU/Linux, the right term is Arch 
GNU/Linux.


As many people on this list know, I too prefer the term GNU/Linux, 
and 
it's been GNOME's official policy to use the term. FWIW, I try to 
avoid 
this problem by referring to the project as just "Arch".


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Re: Is there GNU/Linux distribution which includes always latest gnome 3

[Karen Sandler]

On 2014-04-03 04:28, Ali/amjjawad wrote:



Arch is a variant of the GNU/Linux system, so please let's not call it
"Arch Linux".  Calling the whole system "Linux" is, in effect, giving
Torvalds credit for our work, so we get no credit for it.

See http://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html [1] and
http://www.gnu.org/gnu/gnu-linux-faq.html [2], plus the history in
http://www.gnu.org/gnu/the-gnu-project.html [3].

Since Arch is a version of GNU/Linux, the right term is Arch GNU/Linux.


As many people on this list know, I too prefer the term GNU/Linux, and 
it's been GNOME's official policy to use the term. FWIW, I try to avoid 
this problem by referring to the project as just "Arch".


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Re: Distribution Naming System (Was: Re: Is there GNU/Linux distribution which includes always latest gnome 3)

[Richard Stallman]

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I have done a quick search on the 'active' distributions on DistroWatch.com
and only very few systems are following your logic:

http://distrowatch.com/search.php?status=Active

That's true.  Most distros do not recognize that this system is
basically GNU; they give the credit for the GNU Project's work
to Mr Torvalds, rather than to us.

The frequence of this mistake is why correcting it is important.
If the mistake were rare, we might as well not worry about it.

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Distribution Naming System (Was: Re: Is there GNU/Linux distribution which includes always latest gnome 3)

[Ali/amjjawad]

Dear Mr. Stallman,

First of all, it is a pleasure to be with you on the same mailing list. You
have my full respect!

On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 1:52 AM, Richard Stallman  wrote:

> [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]]
> [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]]
> [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]
>
> Arch is a variant of the GNU/Linux system, so please let's not call it
> "Arch Linux".  Calling the whole system "Linux" is, in effect, giving
> Torvalds credit for our work, so we get no credit for it.
>
> See http://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html and
> http://www.gnu.org/gnu/gnu-linux-faq.html, plus the history in
> http://www.gnu.org/gnu/the-gnu-project.html.
>
> Since Arch is a version of GNU/Linux, the right term is Arch GNU/Linux.
>
> If we mention it, what can we say about it?  It is not a free system,
> so if we mention it, we should not present it as exemplary.
>
> See http://gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html for more explanation
> about this issue.
>
>
I have done a quick search on the 'active' distributions on DistroWatch.com
and only very few systems are following your logic:

http://distrowatch.com/search.php?status=Active

However, I have not searched/seen this yet:
http://distrowatch.com/search.php?status=All

But I guess the 'active' ones are more important than the other.

Only few are following the GNU/Linux naming logic.

I see your point here, perhaps unlike some other who might not.

There is no one who could deny what you have done nor your project. You do
have our respect, no doubt about that. But, in order to end this discussion
once and for all (I hope we could), what do you suggest?

I'm not sure if approaching all the communities and request a name change
is good idea but it could still be one of the options.

I for one have my own project:
http://torios.org/

If truth to be told, I wasn't paying lots of attention to GNU/Linux but
thanks to your emails, I will from now and on. Yes, I'm aware since I have
started using Linux that it is actually GNU/Linux but I also know only few
who are mentioning that.

Sadly, people for some odd reason tend to remove/ignore the important words
on their emails/posts/articles, etc to save time but they're wrong IMHO.
Words like "Hi" at the beginning of any email for example or "GNU" before
"Linux" so it is "GNU/Linux" ... if they would know that will cost them 1
extra second to write that, I guess they might think wisely but we can't
force people to do that. It should come from them directly.

I was sad the other day and wrote:
http://amjjawad.blogspot.com/2014/02/it-is-just-one-word.html

Now, after reading your emails, I will start my best to never forget to
mention 'GNU' whenever there is 'Linux'.

I'll be the change that I would like to see around. This is the best way.

Thank you so much for enlightening me/us. I highly appreciate that.


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Re: Is there GNU/Linux distribution which includes always latest gnome 3

[Richard Stallman]

[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]]
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That logic, if followed to its end,

"If followed to its end" usually means "if I stretch what you said".
Of course, any statement is likely become wrong if stretched too far.

 means Fedora is giving no credit to GNU
or Linux.

Fedora gives credit to Linux, but in another way.
I think there's nothing wrong with that way,
but it ought to give credit to GNU in the same way,

In other words, you're criticizing a position which
is more extreme than my real position.  I share your
disagreement with it.

 If a high-level application needed to cite all its components in
its name, that could be inconvenient.

I agree, but that's a different issue.  See
http://www.gnu.org/gnu/gnu-linux-faq.html#many.

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Re: Is there GNU/Linux distribution which includes always latest gnome 3

[Mathieu Duponchelle]

That logic, if followed to its end, means Fedora is giving no credit to GNU
or Linux. If a high-level application needed to cite all its components in
its name, that could be inconvenient.

I wouldn't call ArchLinux's name an error personally but hey :)


On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 10:02 PM, Richard Stallman  wrote:

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>
> This mean, there is an ArchLinux system, which is a GNU/Linux
> system, not only Linux system, but the name is still ArchLinux.
>
> Their distro is a version of the GNU/Linux system.  By calling their
> distro "ArchLinux", they are (in effect) changing the name of our
> system, calling it "Linux".
>
> So they have no right to complain if we correct their error
> and call their distro "Arch GNU/Linux".
>
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Re: Is there GNU/Linux distribution which includes always latest gnome 3

[Richard Stallman]

[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]]
[[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]]
[[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]

This mean, there is an ArchLinux system, which is a GNU/Linux
system, not only Linux system, but the name is still ArchLinux.

Their distro is a version of the GNU/Linux system.  By calling their
distro "ArchLinux", they are (in effect) changing the name of our
system, calling it "Linux".

So they have no right to complain if we correct their error
and call their distro "Arch GNU/Linux".

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Re: Is there GNU/Linux distribution which includes always latest gnome 3

[Yosef Or Boczko]

I agree about the term of GNU/Linux, but the problem is I can't
change the name of an exist distribution.

This mean, there is an ArchLinux system, which is a GNU/Linux
system, not only Linux system, but the name is still ArchLinux.

To say "the ArchLinux distribution, GNU/Linux system" is too long
for me, so I say only "the ArchLinux distribution".

Regards,
Yosef Or Boczko

בתאריך ד', אפר 2, 2014 בשעה 12:52 AM, Richard Stallman 
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Arch is a variant of the GNU/Linux system, so please let's not call it
"Arch Linux".  Calling the whole system "Linux" is, in effect, giving
Torvalds credit for our work, so we get no credit for it.

See http://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html and
http://www.gnu.org/gnu/gnu-linux-faq.html, plus the history in
http://www.gnu.org/gnu/the-gnu-project.html.

Since Arch is a version of GNU/Linux, the right term is Arch 
GNU/Linux.


If we mention it, what can we say about it?  It is not a free system,
so if we mention it, we should not present it as exemplary.

See http://gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html for more explanation
about this issue.

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Re: Is there GNU/Linux distribution which includes always latest gnome 3

[Richard Stallman]

[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]]
[[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]]
[[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]

Arch is a variant of the GNU/Linux system, so please let's not call it
"Arch Linux".  Calling the whole system "Linux" is, in effect, giving
Torvalds credit for our work, so we get no credit for it.

See http://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html and
http://www.gnu.org/gnu/gnu-linux-faq.html, plus the history in
http://www.gnu.org/gnu/the-gnu-project.html.

Since Arch is a version of GNU/Linux, the right term is Arch GNU/Linux.

If we mention it, what can we say about it?  It is not a free system,
so if we mention it, we should not present it as exemplary.

See http://gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html for more explanation
about this issue.

-- 
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President, Free Software Foundation
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