Re: Minutes of SoC meeting
On Thu, 2007-03-08 at 12:18 -0600, Shaun McCance wrote: I saved logs of both the meetings. http://www.gnome.org/~shaunm/070227-soc.txt http://www.gnome.org/~shaunm/070306-soc.txt Embarrassing as it sounds, I have to admit that when I volunteered to be on the selection committee I was under the impression that I was volunteering to be a mentor. However, as I already volunteered I would be happy to help out although I will not be present from the 14th-19th of march (this week) and I would expect that people with a little experience in past years of GSoC would be more suitable for the task. I /would/ like to try to be a mentor this year... so I suppose it would be at least awkward if I were also on the selection committee. Cheers, -Tristan PS: Sorry for the confusion that I brought to the table. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Minutes of SoC meeting
On Tue, 2007-03-06 at 23:01 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: Le lundi 05 mars 2007, à 20:46, Federico Mena Quintero a écrit : El mié, 28-02-2007 a las 19:46 +0100, Vincent Untz escribió: SoC/WSOP mentors from previous years: Behdad Esfahbod, Shaun McCance, Danilo Segan, Joe Shaw, Vincent Untz Bleh. Sorry that I couldn't attend, but Oralia and I were jet-setting around Belgium ;) :-) + performance analysis projects are interesting but might not produce concrete results in the end Interesting. How did you come to this conclusion? Hrm, I don't have the logs of the meeting, so maybe someone will be able to jump in and help with the reply. I saved logs of both the meetings. http://www.gnome.org/~shaunm/070227-soc.txt http://www.gnome.org/~shaunm/070306-soc.txt -- Shaun ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Minutes of SoC meeting - 2007/Mar/06
On Wed, 2007-03-07 at 00:07 +0200, Lucas Rocha wrote: * ACTION: Behdad to ask mizmo about a poster (DONE) Two proposals: 1. http://people.redhat.com/duffy/gnome-brand/soc2007/soc2007-poster_a4.png 2. http://desrt.mcmaster.ca/random/poster-draft.png DECISION: Use proposal 1 with Google Summer of Code on it, and mentioning more explicitly the money involved. The poster should probably make it clear that it's about software development, or programming. Not all of the target audience will know that hack and code mean software development, or know what GNOME is. Or if we think we only want people who understand hack then let's at least make that more obvious so that this stands out next to the poster about the anthropology text book swap meet. -- Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.murrayc.com www.openismus.com ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Minutes of SoC meeting
El mié, 28-02-2007 a las 19:46 +0100, Vincent Untz escribió: SoC/WSOP mentors from previous years: Behdad Esfahbod, Shaun McCance, Danilo Segan, Joe Shaw, Vincent Untz Bleh. Sorry that I couldn't attend, but Oralia and I were jet-setting around Belgium ;) + performance analysis projects are interesting but might not produce concrete results in the end Interesting. How did you come to this conclusion? Federico ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Minutes of SoC meeting
Le lundi 05 mars 2007, à 20:46, Federico Mena Quintero a écrit : El mié, 28-02-2007 a las 19:46 +0100, Vincent Untz escribió: SoC/WSOP mentors from previous years: Behdad Esfahbod, Shaun McCance, Danilo Segan, Joe Shaw, Vincent Untz Bleh. Sorry that I couldn't attend, but Oralia and I were jet-setting around Belgium ;) :-) + performance analysis projects are interesting but might not produce concrete results in the end Interesting. How did you come to this conclusion? Hrm, I don't have the logs of the meeting, so maybe someone will be able to jump in and help with the reply. But, IIRC, what was told is that performance analysis is something hard, and that it might require a lot of effort to get (code-wise) a small result. The result can still have a big impact on user experience, but it's hard to know this before the performance analysis is done (ie, before the end of the project). It doesn't mean that we don't want such projects, but that we have to be aware of all this when evaluating all the applications. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Minutes of SoC meeting - 2007/Mar/06
Hi all, Here are the minutes I took from the meeting we had today on irc in #soc. Further discussion about GNOME SoC should happen in gnome-soc-list from now on. = Present: Behdad Esfahbod Vincent Untz Shaun McCance Danilo Segan Clare So Sandy Armstrong Tristan Van Berkom Olav Vitters Ryan Lortie Lucas Rocha Christian Kellner Mads Chr. Olesen (Other inactive attendees were there too) 1) Actions from previous meeting * ACTION: Vincent to talk with sysadmins about getting a sandbox repository or main repository access for students (DONE) Vincent started a thread on gnome-infrastructure about it and will ensure that the infrastructure is ready before May. http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-infrastructure/2007-March/msg4.html * ACTION: Behdad to ask mizmo about a poster (DONE) Two proposals: 1. http://people.redhat.com/duffy/gnome-brand/soc2007/soc2007-poster_a4.png 2. http://desrt.mcmaster.ca/random/poster-draft.png DECISION: Use proposal 1 with Google Summer of Code on it, and mentioning more explicitly the money involved. * ACTION: Lucas to ping web people about putting SoC on the front page (NOT DONE) SoC announcement should be added to p.g.o front page ASAP. * ACTION: Vincent to send a mail to know who would like to be in the selection committee (DONE) Vincent and Behdad will choose a mixed list of volunteers and invited people for the selection committee. Volunteers from the meeting: Lucas, Christian, Ryan, Tristan and Vincent. * ACTION: Vincent to create the mentors mailing list (DONE) Waiting response from sysadmins. 2) New Actions * ACTION: Vincent to ask if it will be possible to merge back with full history from the separated directory * ACTION: Vincent to ask sysadmins to reset gnome-soc-list password (DONE during meeting) * ACTION: Behdah to subscribe GNOME as a mentoring organization (DONE during meeting) 3) Organization of the SoC promotion from a GNOME perspective The proposed promotion plan comprises: - banner and test on w.g.o frontpage ASAP - banner on p.g.o - blogs with poster - poster translations - posters everywhere where it makes sense - announcement in mailing lists (gnome-announce-list, gugmasters-list) Ryan created a wiki page to coordinate the GNOME SoC ad campaign effort in universities: - http://live.gnome.org/SummerOfCode2007/UniversityAdvertisement * ACTION: Vincent to make a call for translations on the GNOME SoC poster * ACTION: Behdad to ping p.g.o people to put a banner about SoC * ACTION: Ryan to blog about university campaign page (DONE during meeting) 4) Collect ideas on SoC/WSOP-like programmes that could be proposed to the board E-mail ideas to Vincent, Behdad and/or the board. 5) Review of the instructions we've put online for students * ACTION: everyone should take some time to review the wiki SoC2007 page: http://live.gnome.org/SummerOfCode2007 6) AOB fun-moment According to Christian, Danilo stinks and isn't at all as handsome as some pictures of him *MIGHT* indicate! * ACTION: Christian to find pictures of Danilo where he exposures his real not-that-good-looking face ;-) /fun-moment ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Minutes of SoC meeting - 2007/Mar/06
Le mercredi 07 mars 2007, à 00:07, Lucas Rocha a écrit : * ACTION: Vincent to ask if it will be possible to merge back with full history from the separated directory To clarify this point: it's about the svn sandbox we want to provide to students. Shaun pointed out it'd be great to be able to merge code from a repository in the sandbox to one of our normal repository. (This is a gnome-infrastructure topic, so please don't reply to this mail on foundation-list :-)) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Minutes of SoC meeting
Le mercredi 28 février 2007, à 19:46, Vincent Untz a écrit : Hi, We had a meeting about Summer of Code yesterday in #soc. Here are the minutes. We'll have another meeting next week, probably same day + same time (Tuesday, 20:00 UTC) since there were still some topics we didn't have time to discuss. Just a reminder about the next meeting: it's Tuesday (ie today/tomorrow, 20:00 UTC), and it will be held in #soc. Right now, the agenda is: + organization of the SoC promotion from a GNOME perspective + collect ideas on SoC/WSOP-like programmes that could be proposed to the board + review of the instructions we've put online for students and potential mentors (http://live.gnome.org/SummerOfCode2007) + AOB I'm sure I'm forgetting something, so don't hesitate to propose another topic for discussion. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Minutes of SoC meeting
Hi ! Note that we'll soon create the wiki page to post ideas about potential SoC projects. We'll announce it widely soonish. I was suggesting to vincent the other day on IRC that maybe instead of doing like last year (dumping all sorts of ideas on a lgo wiki page then letting the students try to extract something meaningful) we should do a 2-step process where we ask maintainers about potential areas that can be improved by a student during x months, then a small comittee of let's say 10 people decide what's worth proposing to the student and clean-up/verify/publish the list officially. Students can then choose from that list or suggest a new idea. It will be better than receiving mails with a mashup of small things that he found on the wiki page. Raf ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Minutes of SoC meeting
Hi, We had a meeting about Summer of Code yesterday in #soc. Here are the minutes. We'll have another meeting next week, probably same day + same time (Tuesday, 20:00 UTC) since there were still some topics we didn't have time to discuss. Note that we'll soon create the wiki page to post ideas about potential SoC projects. We'll announce it widely soonish. Vincent = Present: SoC/WSOP students from previous years: Ryan Lortie, Max Wiehle, Clare So SoC/WSOP mentors from previous years: Behdad Esfahbod, Shaun McCance, Danilo Segan, Joe Shaw, Vincent Untz Others: Lucas Rocha, Boyd Timothy, Olav Vitters, Mariano Suarez-Alvarez Dan Winship, Larry Ewing, Aaron Bockover, Kjartan Maraas, Paolo Maggi, Sven Herzberg (and others I missed, but not all were active) ACTION: Lucas to keep track of community involvement of SoC partipicants ACTION: Vincent to talk with sysadmins about getting a sandbox repository or main repository access for students ACTION: Behdad to ask mizmo about a poster (black and white, A4 and letter) ACTION: Lucas to ping web people about putting SoC on the front page ACTION: Vincent to send a mail to know who would like to be in the selection committee ACTION: Vincent to create the mentors mailing list Good points from previous years === + the successful projects + students who stayed in the community + students came on IRC, and people were helpful to them + other social aspects (meeting at GUADEC, eg) - note that face-to-face meetings really help + SoC helps people start contributing because students have a clear mission and a mandate + GNOME SoC Planet + from an outside point of view WSOP seemed more successful than SoC Negative points/What could be improved? === + we didn't keep track of community involvement of SoC students + disconnect between mentors and admins: which projects have been useful in the end? + not enough communication between mentors and students - we'll ask for weekly reports - they'll be sent to one list (gnome-soc-list) - SoC admins are responsible for pinging students who don't send reports - have a rule like we will seriously consider your case if you miss 2 reports - we should stress that having written nearly no code in one week is not always an issue, since sometimes a lot of thinking is needed + no infrastructure for students at the beginning - having a sandbox repository before SoC begins would really help - questions whether this should be separate from the main svn repository or not . probably separate, for security reasons - bzr/git/etc. could help too . some students might not feel comfortable with such tools . we're using svn for GNOME, so using the same tool is probably better + selection process was a bit chaotic, since all potential mentors were able to vote. See 4th item in the agenda. + we should send mails to rejected students, pointing them at useful resources on how to contribute What kind of projects do we want for this year? === + maybe we've accepted projects that are not urgently useful + performance analysis projects are interesting but might not produce concrete results in the end + projects with a high learning curve might be too difficult + try to avoid projects that are essential to one of our modules, because it can block progress of the whole module, especially if the student has difficulties + we want a mix of immediately useful projects and pie-in-the-sky projects - 20-30% of experiemental/weird/cool stuff and 70-80% of needed features (for example) - something in roadmap and something unexpected can also define the mix + would be great to have sexy bling projects How do we select student/projects? == + we want to make our selection process well-known so that all students know about it + general agreement that we should avoid picking someone who already participated in a GNOME-related SoC/WSOP project or who is already a GNOME contributor - we want to favour new contributors - this is not a general rule, since a really good project proposed by a past participant/contributor will be considered too + we're fine with students having participated in SoC, with a totally unrelated to GNOME project + we don't require prior open source involvement + we'll let all potential mentors comment on all applications + in the end, a selection committee (~10 people) will read the comments, and decide which applications we select + all foundation members can be mentors - people who could be foundation members but don't want to can also be mentors Other discussion + we'll create a mailing list for mentors + we need to advertise better SoC and our participation - put some SoC flyers in
