Re: Minutes of the Board Meeting of May, 9th, 2016
Your right Alberto. Is very important to check out how to invite him to help not just blame. I'd made when possible, but no pro-active actions back from him. And yes, any action should be on get better understand about GNOME's philosophy on community and user feedback. May offer alternative sites, where GNOME Board and maintainers, can post or discuss complaints and as a source of information to clarify some points or just to help any to highlight issues on actions taken or to allow any one to support any discussion against blames, specially if they're unsupported. El may. 16, 2016 8:54 AM, "Alberto Ruiz" escribió: > That's not quite precise, his handles, domain name and twitter account > include GNOME in them as well as the descriptions: > > https://plus.google.com/+WorldofGnomeOrg > http://worldofgnome.org/ > https://twitter.com/worldofgnome > > Having said that, I'm not sure trying to shut things down with via > trademark is the appropriate response and would prolly have a Streisand > effect. At the same time, many of us have raised this concern with Alex and > it doesn't look like he fully acknowledges that he is unfairly piggybacking > on the GNOME trademark to attract attention towards his site and videos. > > I think that sponsoring Alex for a trip to GUADEC to actually understand > the people and get involved in the community process is probably a reaction > with more chances of positive outcomes than attempting to shut down a site > with 8K followers. > > > 2016-05-16 14:43 GMT+01:00 Andrea Veri : > >> Hey Daniel, >> >> after a quick look the person in question does not seem to use any >> GNOME-related and protected by law logo or trademark on his Google+ >> page. The posts he makes look to me like personal opinions about GNOME >> and the technologies around it. One should be either free to follow >> him or not but even the Google+ page name mentions "Wogue" as its >> title with a custom logo which doesn't seem to infringe any of the >> trademarks registered by the GNOME Foundation. >> >> If you find out any trademark infringement on the resources you >> pointed out please let the Board know and it will be investigated. >> >> 2016-05-16 14:48 GMT+02:00 Daniel Espinosa : >> > Could you include a point to discuss how to avoid any organization or >> > individual, could use GNOME trademark to promote against GNOME? >> > >> > Is the case of World of GNOME (WOGUE on G+). It recently has pushed >> blaming, >> > unsupported complaints (based on real data from projects maintainers). >> > >> > While I'm not against he can publish his complaints on GNOME, I think he >> > can't use GNOME trademark to push negative, or few news to try to >> support >> > its negative ideas about GNOME. >> > >> > Sure, feedback is good, but while he is not part of GNOME Foundation, >> may he >> > is unable to use GNOME trademark to blame and no positive actions to >> help. >> > >> > El may. 16, 2016 2:53 AM, "Andrea Veri" escribió: >> >> >> >> = Minutes for Monday, May 9th 2016, 19:30 UTC = >> >> >> >> Next meeting date Monday, May 16th, 19:30 UTC >> >> >> >> Wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/Minutes/20160509 >> >> >> >> == Attending == >> >> >> >> * Alexandre Franke >> >> * Jeff F. T. (chairing) >> >> * Ekaterina Gerasimova >> >> * Cosimo Cecchi >> >> * Allan Day >> >> * Rosanna Yuen >> >> * Shaun McCance >> >> >> >> == Regrets == >> >> >> >> * Andrea Veri >> >> >> >> == Missing == >> >> >> >> >> >> == Agenda == >> >> >> >> * Preparing the advisory board meeting >> >> * ED Search Update >> >> * GUADEC Manchester bid >> >> >> >> === Ongoing === >> >> >> >> '''The following section is part of the Agenda and includes items which >> >> have seen updates in the last 30 days. Items which have been updated >> more >> >> than 30 days ago are listed under the "Ongoing but stalled" section.''' >> >> >> >> * ED Search Update >> >> * Unixstickers >> >> * Google ad grant >> >> * Selling 3rd party merch at confs >> >> * Friends of GNOME >> >> * GUADEC registration fee vs donation system >> >> >> >> == Minutes == >> >> >> >> * Preparing the advisory board meeting >> >> * Meeting is scheduled for Monday 16th May at 16:00 UTC >> >> * Allan has a presentation draft and asks for Board members to give >> some >> >> presentations >> >>* And also should fill in as backup speakers in case some of the >> >> invitees are not able to talk >> >>* Need a volunteer for ED search update >> >> * Shaun is happy to talk but we need to come up with a narrative >> >>* Allan will prepare a draft for slides, and will require input from >> >> some Board members to add data, and general proofreading >> >>* Screenshots can be taken from the release notes, and we can use >> some >> >> event photos too >> >> >> >> * ED Search Update >> >> * There was a question about whether we should revise the >> position/job >> >> description, but the Board did not come to a conclusion on this in >> previous >> >> discus
Re: Minutes of the Board Meeting of May, 9th, 2016
That's not quite precise, his handles, domain name and twitter account include GNOME in them as well as the descriptions: https://plus.google.com/+WorldofGnomeOrg http://worldofgnome.org/ https://twitter.com/worldofgnome Having said that, I'm not sure trying to shut things down with via trademark is the appropriate response and would prolly have a Streisand effect. At the same time, many of us have raised this concern with Alex and it doesn't look like he fully acknowledges that he is unfairly piggybacking on the GNOME trademark to attract attention towards his site and videos. I think that sponsoring Alex for a trip to GUADEC to actually understand the people and get involved in the community process is probably a reaction with more chances of positive outcomes than attempting to shut down a site with 8K followers. 2016-05-16 14:43 GMT+01:00 Andrea Veri : > Hey Daniel, > > after a quick look the person in question does not seem to use any > GNOME-related and protected by law logo or trademark on his Google+ > page. The posts he makes look to me like personal opinions about GNOME > and the technologies around it. One should be either free to follow > him or not but even the Google+ page name mentions "Wogue" as its > title with a custom logo which doesn't seem to infringe any of the > trademarks registered by the GNOME Foundation. > > If you find out any trademark infringement on the resources you > pointed out please let the Board know and it will be investigated. > > 2016-05-16 14:48 GMT+02:00 Daniel Espinosa : > > Could you include a point to discuss how to avoid any organization or > > individual, could use GNOME trademark to promote against GNOME? > > > > Is the case of World of GNOME (WOGUE on G+). It recently has pushed > blaming, > > unsupported complaints (based on real data from projects maintainers). > > > > While I'm not against he can publish his complaints on GNOME, I think he > > can't use GNOME trademark to push negative, or few news to try to support > > its negative ideas about GNOME. > > > > Sure, feedback is good, but while he is not part of GNOME Foundation, > may he > > is unable to use GNOME trademark to blame and no positive actions to > help. > > > > El may. 16, 2016 2:53 AM, "Andrea Veri" escribió: > >> > >> = Minutes for Monday, May 9th 2016, 19:30 UTC = > >> > >> Next meeting date Monday, May 16th, 19:30 UTC > >> > >> Wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/Minutes/20160509 > >> > >> == Attending == > >> > >> * Alexandre Franke > >> * Jeff F. T. (chairing) > >> * Ekaterina Gerasimova > >> * Cosimo Cecchi > >> * Allan Day > >> * Rosanna Yuen > >> * Shaun McCance > >> > >> == Regrets == > >> > >> * Andrea Veri > >> > >> == Missing == > >> > >> > >> == Agenda == > >> > >> * Preparing the advisory board meeting > >> * ED Search Update > >> * GUADEC Manchester bid > >> > >> === Ongoing === > >> > >> '''The following section is part of the Agenda and includes items which > >> have seen updates in the last 30 days. Items which have been updated > more > >> than 30 days ago are listed under the "Ongoing but stalled" section.''' > >> > >> * ED Search Update > >> * Unixstickers > >> * Google ad grant > >> * Selling 3rd party merch at confs > >> * Friends of GNOME > >> * GUADEC registration fee vs donation system > >> > >> == Minutes == > >> > >> * Preparing the advisory board meeting > >> * Meeting is scheduled for Monday 16th May at 16:00 UTC > >> * Allan has a presentation draft and asks for Board members to give > some > >> presentations > >>* And also should fill in as backup speakers in case some of the > >> invitees are not able to talk > >>* Need a volunteer for ED search update > >> * Shaun is happy to talk but we need to come up with a narrative > >>* Allan will prepare a draft for slides, and will require input from > >> some Board members to add data, and general proofreading > >>* Screenshots can be taken from the release notes, and we can use > some > >> event photos too > >> > >> * ED Search Update > >> * There was a question about whether we should revise the position/job > >> description, but the Board did not come to a conclusion on this in > previous > >> discussion > >> * ACTION: Rosanna to tell Jonathan to go ahead with the job search > >> > >> * GUADEC Manchester bid > >> * The Board received a bid from Manchester for GUADEC 2017 > >> * There's a document to review > >> * We want to meet with the organizing team(s) at GUADEC this year > >> * When do we want to announce the next location? At GUADEC? > >>* For the schedule proposed by Manchester, this would be possible, > but > >> depends on how many other bids we get > >>* It's not a requirement to announce it at GUADEC > >> * There are no other bids for now > >> * Is there anything obvious missing from the bid? We should > communicate > >> that sooner rather than later > >> * We can review the document on the m-l, collect questions and
Re: Minutes of the Board Meeting of May, 9th, 2016
Many thanks for your response, but what about site: http://worldofgnome.org/ This is the site it used be post news to GNOME and the way it is known as World of GNOME, while using no reference in its logo, it is in its source name and web page. Now it is posting just as WOGUE on G+, but is known as World of GNOME. El may. 16, 2016 8:43 AM, "Andrea Veri" escribió: > Hey Daniel, > > after a quick look the person in question does not seem to use any > GNOME-related and protected by law logo or trademark on his Google+ > page. The posts he makes look to me like personal opinions about GNOME > and the technologies around it. One should be either free to follow > him or not but even the Google+ page name mentions "Wogue" as its > title with a custom logo which doesn't seem to infringe any of the > trademarks registered by the GNOME Foundation. > > If you find out any trademark infringement on the resources you > pointed out please let the Board know and it will be investigated. > > 2016-05-16 14:48 GMT+02:00 Daniel Espinosa : > > Could you include a point to discuss how to avoid any organization or > > individual, could use GNOME trademark to promote against GNOME? > > > > Is the case of World of GNOME (WOGUE on G+). It recently has pushed > blaming, > > unsupported complaints (based on real data from projects maintainers). > > > > While I'm not against he can publish his complaints on GNOME, I think he > > can't use GNOME trademark to push negative, or few news to try to support > > its negative ideas about GNOME. > > > > Sure, feedback is good, but while he is not part of GNOME Foundation, > may he > > is unable to use GNOME trademark to blame and no positive actions to > help. > > > > El may. 16, 2016 2:53 AM, "Andrea Veri" escribió: > >> > >> = Minutes for Monday, May 9th 2016, 19:30 UTC = > >> > >> Next meeting date Monday, May 16th, 19:30 UTC > >> > >> Wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/Minutes/20160509 > >> > >> == Attending == > >> > >> * Alexandre Franke > >> * Jeff F. T. (chairing) > >> * Ekaterina Gerasimova > >> * Cosimo Cecchi > >> * Allan Day > >> * Rosanna Yuen > >> * Shaun McCance > >> > >> == Regrets == > >> > >> * Andrea Veri > >> > >> == Missing == > >> > >> > >> == Agenda == > >> > >> * Preparing the advisory board meeting > >> * ED Search Update > >> * GUADEC Manchester bid > >> > >> === Ongoing === > >> > >> '''The following section is part of the Agenda and includes items which > >> have seen updates in the last 30 days. Items which have been updated > more > >> than 30 days ago are listed under the "Ongoing but stalled" section.''' > >> > >> * ED Search Update > >> * Unixstickers > >> * Google ad grant > >> * Selling 3rd party merch at confs > >> * Friends of GNOME > >> * GUADEC registration fee vs donation system > >> > >> == Minutes == > >> > >> * Preparing the advisory board meeting > >> * Meeting is scheduled for Monday 16th May at 16:00 UTC > >> * Allan has a presentation draft and asks for Board members to give > some > >> presentations > >>* And also should fill in as backup speakers in case some of the > >> invitees are not able to talk > >>* Need a volunteer for ED search update > >> * Shaun is happy to talk but we need to come up with a narrative > >>* Allan will prepare a draft for slides, and will require input from > >> some Board members to add data, and general proofreading > >>* Screenshots can be taken from the release notes, and we can use > some > >> event photos too > >> > >> * ED Search Update > >> * There was a question about whether we should revise the position/job > >> description, but the Board did not come to a conclusion on this in > previous > >> discussion > >> * ACTION: Rosanna to tell Jonathan to go ahead with the job search > >> > >> * GUADEC Manchester bid > >> * The Board received a bid from Manchester for GUADEC 2017 > >> * There's a document to review > >> * We want to meet with the organizing team(s) at GUADEC this year > >> * When do we want to announce the next location? At GUADEC? > >>* For the schedule proposed by Manchester, this would be possible, > but > >> depends on how many other bids we get > >>* It's not a requirement to announce it at GUADEC > >> * There are no other bids for now > >> * Is there anything obvious missing from the bid? We should > communicate > >> that sooner rather than later > >> * We can review the document on the m-l, collect questions and get > back > >> to them > >> * ACTION: Kat will collect and send comments once we have reviewed the > >> document > >> > >> == Ongoing == > >> > >> '''This section includes items which have seen an update in the last 30 > >> days. Format is "-MM-DD, action|discussion|resume" for this and > >> subsequent minutes sections''' > >> > >> * ED search update > >> * 2015-12-01, No news received in recent weeks, mostly because of > >> holidays > >> * 2015-12-08, 3 candidates are going to have a cou
Re: Minutes of the Board Meeting of May, 9th, 2016
Hey Daniel, after a quick look the person in question does not seem to use any GNOME-related and protected by law logo or trademark on his Google+ page. The posts he makes look to me like personal opinions about GNOME and the technologies around it. One should be either free to follow him or not but even the Google+ page name mentions "Wogue" as its title with a custom logo which doesn't seem to infringe any of the trademarks registered by the GNOME Foundation. If you find out any trademark infringement on the resources you pointed out please let the Board know and it will be investigated. 2016-05-16 14:48 GMT+02:00 Daniel Espinosa : > Could you include a point to discuss how to avoid any organization or > individual, could use GNOME trademark to promote against GNOME? > > Is the case of World of GNOME (WOGUE on G+). It recently has pushed blaming, > unsupported complaints (based on real data from projects maintainers). > > While I'm not against he can publish his complaints on GNOME, I think he > can't use GNOME trademark to push negative, or few news to try to support > its negative ideas about GNOME. > > Sure, feedback is good, but while he is not part of GNOME Foundation, may he > is unable to use GNOME trademark to blame and no positive actions to help. > > El may. 16, 2016 2:53 AM, "Andrea Veri" escribió: >> >> = Minutes for Monday, May 9th 2016, 19:30 UTC = >> >> Next meeting date Monday, May 16th, 19:30 UTC >> >> Wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/Minutes/20160509 >> >> == Attending == >> >> * Alexandre Franke >> * Jeff F. T. (chairing) >> * Ekaterina Gerasimova >> * Cosimo Cecchi >> * Allan Day >> * Rosanna Yuen >> * Shaun McCance >> >> == Regrets == >> >> * Andrea Veri >> >> == Missing == >> >> >> == Agenda == >> >> * Preparing the advisory board meeting >> * ED Search Update >> * GUADEC Manchester bid >> >> === Ongoing === >> >> '''The following section is part of the Agenda and includes items which >> have seen updates in the last 30 days. Items which have been updated more >> than 30 days ago are listed under the "Ongoing but stalled" section.''' >> >> * ED Search Update >> * Unixstickers >> * Google ad grant >> * Selling 3rd party merch at confs >> * Friends of GNOME >> * GUADEC registration fee vs donation system >> >> == Minutes == >> >> * Preparing the advisory board meeting >> * Meeting is scheduled for Monday 16th May at 16:00 UTC >> * Allan has a presentation draft and asks for Board members to give some >> presentations >>* And also should fill in as backup speakers in case some of the >> invitees are not able to talk >>* Need a volunteer for ED search update >> * Shaun is happy to talk but we need to come up with a narrative >>* Allan will prepare a draft for slides, and will require input from >> some Board members to add data, and general proofreading >>* Screenshots can be taken from the release notes, and we can use some >> event photos too >> >> * ED Search Update >> * There was a question about whether we should revise the position/job >> description, but the Board did not come to a conclusion on this in previous >> discussion >> * ACTION: Rosanna to tell Jonathan to go ahead with the job search >> >> * GUADEC Manchester bid >> * The Board received a bid from Manchester for GUADEC 2017 >> * There's a document to review >> * We want to meet with the organizing team(s) at GUADEC this year >> * When do we want to announce the next location? At GUADEC? >>* For the schedule proposed by Manchester, this would be possible, but >> depends on how many other bids we get >>* It's not a requirement to announce it at GUADEC >> * There are no other bids for now >> * Is there anything obvious missing from the bid? We should communicate >> that sooner rather than later >> * We can review the document on the m-l, collect questions and get back >> to them >> * ACTION: Kat will collect and send comments once we have reviewed the >> document >> >> == Ongoing == >> >> '''This section includes items which have seen an update in the last 30 >> days. Format is "-MM-DD, action|discussion|resume" for this and >> subsequent minutes sections''' >> >> * ED search update >> * 2015-12-01, No news received in recent weeks, mostly because of >> holidays >> * 2015-12-08, 3 candidates are going to have a couple of one hour >> interviews with ~2 members of the hiring committee per interview. Scheduling >> of these metings is just beginning. >> * 2015-12-15 to 2015-01-12, No updates. >> * 2016-01-19 >>* Committee has completed interview with two final candidates >>* They should have a final answer/proposal to the board within a few >> weeks >> * 2016-02-02, Expect more news this week - we'll start scheduling >> interviews soon >> * 2016-02-09 >>* Sri from the ED committee wants to present to the Board at next >> week's meeting >>* A list of candidates that are deemed good and have been vetted by t
Re: Minutes of the Board Meeting of May, 9th, 2016
Could you include a point to discuss how to avoid any organization or individual, could use GNOME trademark to promote against GNOME? Is the case of World of GNOME (WOGUE on G+). It recently has pushed blaming, unsupported complaints (based on real data from projects maintainers). While I'm not against he can publish his complaints on GNOME, I think he can't use GNOME trademark to push negative, or few news to try to support its negative ideas about GNOME. Sure, feedback is good, but while he is not part of GNOME Foundation, may he is unable to use GNOME trademark to blame and no positive actions to help. El may. 16, 2016 2:53 AM, "Andrea Veri" escribió: > = Minutes for Monday, May 9th 2016, 19:30 UTC = > > Next meeting date Monday, May 16th, 19:30 UTC > > Wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/Minutes/20160509 > > == Attending == > > * Alexandre Franke > * Jeff F. T. (chairing) > * Ekaterina Gerasimova > * Cosimo Cecchi > * Allan Day > * Rosanna Yuen > * Shaun McCance > > == Regrets == > > * Andrea Veri > > == Missing == > > > == Agenda == > > * Preparing the advisory board meeting > * ED Search Update > * GUADEC Manchester bid > > === Ongoing === > > '''The following section is part of the Agenda and includes items which > have seen updates in the last 30 days. Items which have been updated more > than 30 days ago are listed under the "Ongoing but stalled" section.''' > > * ED Search Update > * Unixstickers > * Google ad grant > * Selling 3rd party merch at confs > * Friends of GNOME > * GUADEC registration fee vs donation system > > == Minutes == > > * Preparing the advisory board meeting > * Meeting is scheduled for Monday 16th May at 16:00 UTC > * Allan has a presentation draft and asks for Board members to give some > presentations >* And also should fill in as backup speakers in case some of the > invitees are not able to talk >* Need a volunteer for ED search update > * Shaun is happy to talk but we need to come up with a narrative >* Allan will prepare a draft for slides, and will require input from > some Board members to add data, and general proofreading >* Screenshots can be taken from the release notes, and we can use some > event photos too > > * ED Search Update > * There was a question about whether we should revise the position/job > description, but the Board did not come to a conclusion on this in previous > discussion > * ACTION: Rosanna to tell Jonathan to go ahead with the job search > > * GUADEC Manchester bid > * The Board received a bid from Manchester for GUADEC 2017 > * There's a document to review > * We want to meet with the organizing team(s) at GUADEC this year > * When do we want to announce the next location? At GUADEC? >* For the schedule proposed by Manchester, this would be possible, but > depends on how many other bids we get >* It's not a requirement to announce it at GUADEC > * There are no other bids for now > * Is there anything obvious missing from the bid? We should communicate > that sooner rather than later > * We can review the document on the m-l, collect questions and get back > to them > * ACTION: Kat will collect and send comments once we have reviewed the > document > > == Ongoing == > > '''This section includes items which have seen an update in the last 30 > days. Format is "-MM-DD, action|discussion|resume" for this and > subsequent minutes sections''' > > * ED search update > * 2015-12-01, No news received in recent weeks, mostly because of > holidays > * 2015-12-08, 3 candidates are going to have a couple of one hour > interviews with ~2 members of the hiring committee per interview. > Scheduling of these metings is just beginning. > * 2015-12-15 to 2015-01-12, No updates. > * 2016-01-19 >* Committee has completed interview with two final candidates >* They should have a final answer/proposal to the board within a few > weeks > * 2016-02-02, Expect more news this week - we'll start scheduling > interviews soon > * 2016-02-09 >* Sri from the ED committee wants to present to the Board at next > week's meeting >* A list of candidates that are deemed good and have been vetted by the > committee will be presented at the meeting > * 2016-02-16, The ED Search committee converged on a single candidate > * 2016-02-23, The item has been discussed during the meeting, details > are available at > https://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-announce/2016-February/msg3.html > * 2016-03-14, Jonathan Blandford (jrb) has agreed to lead > * 2016-04-11, Jonathan mailed the Board mentioning the ED Search > Committee is back on track, they'll start meeting on a regular basis again > > * Unixstickers > * 2016-02-02 >* Allan has an action item to follow up with this >* Kat put some information on the agreements page for similar cases > * 2016-02-09, Allan drafted email - need to send that out > * 2016-02-16, Allan has been in touch
