Re: Akademy+GUADEC *2009* Hosting Proposals
Hi Germán, Great mail! Germán Póo-Caamaño wrote: How much money is required by external sources (aka sponsors)?: Venue: Tampere : € 21,000 + part of € 70,000 (labour. how much?) Canarias: € 0 A Coruña: € 0 I believe all sites will have labour costs (whether they budget for them or not). I don't think it's reasonable to organise a GUADEC + aKademy without having at least one person working at least part time co-ordinating organisation. Travel grants: How much money has been invested in this GUADEC for travel grants this year? (US$ 60,000?). For GUADEC+Akademy we should expect to move more people (double?) and having less money for that matter will be a big deal. I don't know how much money is budgeted this year, last year it was about $60,000. I have an impression that this year, with a slightly more pricey accommodation option than we had in Villanova, for example, and higher transport costs, we're sponsoring a smaller number of people in total. I'd be interested in hearing from Baris about this. If we don't double the sponsorship we can't double the amount we spend on travel (you suggested this in your mail). We'll certainly increase sponsorship, and we will make some savings on infrastructure, but doublling it will be a toughh proposition. According to the costs of Tampere: They will have assigned a travel grant of €25,000 (US$39,215). Canarias and A Coruña: They doesn't give any number here, but because they can invest (if they want to) almost all the money received by sponsors for travel grants. It would be a mistake to assume this - there *will* be labour costs. A free venue is great, and a great argument, but in addition to transport accommodation costs, there is equipment rental, administration costs, any sound vision infrastructure needed, organisers expenses, swag, social events... Expenses for participants: Lunch: Tampere : Between €5 - €25/day = Between €35 - €175/week. A Coruña: Between €8 - €18/day = Between €56 - €126/week. Canarias: €196/week. Accommodations (the minimal cost provided): Tampere : €71/day = €497/week A Coruña: €15/day = €105/week Canarias: Not given (yet?). Summary cost per person: Tampere : Between €532 - €672/week. A Coruña: Between €161 - €231/week. Canarias: It can't be calculated. This is really important - and keeping these costs down will be a huge argument in favour of a prospective host for me. Concerning travel accommodation, my feeling has always been that the organisers should ensure cheap, sponsored accommodation where requested/needed (youth hostel, camp site, as in Stuttgart, Villanova and the GTK+ Hackers Summit, for example), and if people are unhappy with the option, it's reasonable for them to cover the extra cost themselves. Hostel Sofia has an option for €24 per bed per night (61 beds), Hostel Uimahallin Maja has beds also at €24, and has 108 beds. The Kesahotelli Harmala Hostel is near a campsite, 5km from the center of town, which is a university residence, so likely has plenty of space. The same goes for A Coruna and Tenerife, group reserving a hotel might be easiest, but the youth hostel option is the best for offering people a low-cost alternative. But you need to book *early*. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Akademy+GUADEC *2009* Hosting Proposals
I need to fix a mistake that I made because a misunderstanding in my review. On Fri, 2008-07-04 at 04:44 +0200, Germán Póo-Caamaño wrote: [...] Expenses for participants: Lunch: Tampere : Between €5 - €25/day = Between €35 - €175/week. A Coruña: Between €8 - €18/day = Between €56 - €126/week. Canarias: €196/week. Accommodations (the minimal cost provided): Tampere : €71/day = €497/week A Coruña: €15/day = €105/week Canarias: Not given (yet?). The lower cost in Tampere certainly is €71, however this is for a shared room (1-4 beds). So, it will be: Accommodations (the minimal cost provided): Tampere : €17,75/day = €122,5/week A Coruña: €15/day = €105/week Canarias: Not given (yet?). Summary cost per person: Tampere : Between €157,5 - €297,5/week. A Coruña: Between €161 - €231/week. Canarias: It can't be calculated. That is with the costs. There are other points to be taken, but I will pointed out in a next email. -- Germán Póo-Caamaño Concepción - Chile http://www.gnome.org/~gpoo/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Akademy+GUADEC *2009* Hosting Proposals
On Fri, 2008-07-04 at 11:48 +0200, Dave Neary wrote: Hi Germán, Great mail! Germán Póo-Caamaño wrote: How much money is required by external sources (aka sponsors)?: Venue: Tampere : € 21,000 + part of € 70,000 (labour. how much?) Canarias: € 0 A Coruña: € 0 I believe all sites will have labour costs (whether they budget for them or not). I don't think it's reasonable to organise a GUADEC + aKademy without having at least one person working at least part time co-ordinating organisation. From the bid: Regarding the needed staff to coordinate the organization: on the one hand, Igalia offers 9 months of a full time person to coordinate the whole process. On the other hand, GPUL has already gathered more than two dozens of volunteers, a year in advance Travel grants: How much money has been invested in this GUADEC for travel grants this year? (US$ 60,000?). For GUADEC+Akademy we should expect to move more people (double?) and having less money for that matter will be a big deal. I don't know how much money is budgeted this year, last year it was about $60,000. I have an impression that this year, with a slightly more pricey accommodation option than we had in Villanova, for example, and higher transport costs, we're sponsoring a smaller number of people in total. I'd be interested in hearing from Baris about this. In our proposal in the budget we estimate a budget of 70.000€ for travel grants, we supposed sponsoring 100 attendants, 50% from europe, 50% rest of the world. In our budget we suppose that volunteers (around 50) and sponsored participants will have accommodation, breakfast and meal paid by the organization with a budget of 30.000€ for this concept. I would like to know how many participants are being sponsored this year in order to check the differences. If we don't double the sponsorship we can't double the amount we spend on travel (you suggested this in your mail). We'll certainly increase sponsorship, and we will make some savings on infrastructure, but doublling it will be a toughh proposition. In our proposal, as there are two different conferences in the same venue, we will share infrastructure cost, but the number of sponsored participant will depend on the sponsorship of each conference. There are other decisions to be made, because in aKademy there is no cost of registration but last years GUADEC had it. We should decide if there would be different cost of registration for GUADEC and aKademy. Registration is not an important part of the budget, but i think that profesional registration are a good point for gathering of Sponsors as a way of contributing to the conference. And initiatives of paying less for the membership of GNOME Foundation, students, speakers, volunteers and hobbyist is good. According to the costs of Tampere: They will have assigned a travel grant of €25,000 (US$39,215). Canarias and A Coruña: They doesn't give any number here, but because they can invest (if they want to) almost all the money received by sponsors for travel grants. It would be a mistake to assume this - there *will* be labour costs. A free venue is great, and a great argument, but in addition to transport accommodation costs, there is equipment rental, administration costs, any sound vision infrastructure needed, organisers expenses, swag, social events... In our budget we included the following expenses related to this, 2000 € related for hiring an expert for the management of expenses as we do in Vilanova and 4000€ related to the security personnel during week-ends, in order to open the faculty. Video recording is usually provided by the University really cheap if is the University involved as is our case. Expenses for participants: Lunch: Tampere : Between €5 - €25/day = Between €35 - €175/week. A Coruña: Between €8 - €18/day = Between €56 - €126/week. Canarias: €196/week. Accommodations (the minimal cost provided): Tampere : €71/day = €497/week A Coruña: €15/day = €105/week Canarias: Not given (yet?). Summary cost per person: Tampere : Between €532 - €672/week. A Coruña: Between €161 - €231/week. Canarias: It can't be calculated. This is really important - and keeping these costs down will be a huge argument in favour of a prospective host for me. Having lunch in the University Campus in Coruña will cost around 6€, this year the price is 5.20€ The same goes for A Coruna and Tenerife, group reserving a hotel might be easiest, but the youth hostel option is the best for offering people a low-cost alternative. But you need to book *early*. Here we choose the option of Halls of Residence because the selected one has a lot of facilities needed for having nice places for night hackfests, and the number of more than 500 of vacancies, just for 15 €/night person. The tourist office will offer us
Re: Akademy+GUADEC *2009* Hosting Proposals
On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 17:30 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: snip And to the often heard comment on oh, no, not spain again! I can only respond that Vilanova was one awesome conference, one of the best conferences ever. If the spaniards can throw awesome conferences, why not let them? Some of us already went to Sevilla as well :) ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Akademy+GUADEC *2009* Hosting Proposals
Are you reading the (very good!) materials the three candidates have prepared? What makes the Boston Summit expensive is the travel (for Europeans) and accommodation (for everybody), but this is well covered by the three candidates. On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 6:30 PM, Lennart Poettering [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are there even any direct flights to Tampere, except from HEL? Ryanair in Tampere operates to Frankfurt, London, Bremen, Dublin, Milan and to Riga. Blue 1 operates to Stockholm and Copenhagen. http://www.finavia.fi/airport_tampere-pirkkala?pg=5375 Food, at http://www.gnome.org/~behdad/akademy+guadec-2009-bids/finland/ there is a list of restaurants with many options starting from meals at 5€. Remember that Tampere is a city full of (public) university students, including Erasmus from all Europe. 5€ is a competitive price in the Spanish Summer, specially in the coast. Coping with parties every night is a problem for the economy of many. This was raised in previous editions and should be taken into account next year, no matter where. 3 sponsored social events with drinks reasonably covered + a couple of nights covered by a visit to the supermarket + a couple of nights actually sleeping well and drinking very healty water... Sounds like a plan? -- Quim Gil /// http://flors.wordpress.com ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Akademy+GUADEC *2009* Hosting Proposals
Hi guys! On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 6:30 PM, Lennart Poettering [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are there even any direct flights to Tampere, except from HEL? You are kidding me right? :) You haven't heard of the wonders of Ryanair and you are against Tampere bid? :) Regarding food and beer, Quim said it better than I could have but just wanted to remind you that you have to *buy* your water in Spain and when it's warm you drink lots of it and when you are hung-over everyday you must drink even more. :) In Finland you can just drink from the tap and save the money for the beer, which as Quim pointed out will not be expensive. -- Regards, Zeeshan Ali Khattak FSF member#5124 ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Akademy+GUADEC *2009* Hosting Proposals
Hi Lennart, Lennart Poettering wrote: Here are my three reasons to prefer Gran Canaria: 1. The money... 3. Let's face it, finnish food and beer just sucks. In Spain at least the food is very good. These two are equally well fulfilled in A Coruna. 2. The conference tourist that I am would prefer to go to the Canary Islands, it's way more interesting from a tourtistic pov than the other two suggestions. This seems like the only argument specific to Gran Canaria, and doesn't seem to me like a very good reason. In fact, it's *exactly* the reason that I cited when arguing *against* Gran Canaria. Since it's a tourist destination, I think convincing sponsors will be more difficult (bear in mind that on your money arguments, cheap flights mean we can bring more people for free/cheap). Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Akademy+GUADEC *2009* Hosting Proposals
On Thu, 03.07.08 23:09, Dave Neary ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: These two are equally well fulfilled in A Coruna. Yes, they are. The thing with Coruna ist however, that because it is not a top tourist destination you won't get cheap charter flights. 2. The conference tourist that I am would prefer to go to the Canary Islands, it's way more interesting from a tourtistic pov than the other two suggestions. This seems like the only argument specific to Gran Canaria, and doesn't seem to me like a very good reason. In fact, it's *exactly* the reason that I cited when arguing *against* Gran Canaria. Since it's a tourist destination, I think convincing sponsors will be more difficult (bear in mind that on your money arguments, cheap flights mean we can bring more people for free/cheap). Uh? Scientific conferences happen at nice spots all the time. That's how conferences work. And with non-scientific conferences it is not that different. I think it is very far fetched to assume that moving the conference to a not-so-nice place will attract any additional sponsoring. That's outright a ridiculous assumption. Do you really think the position of GNOME is so weak that someone who might want to sponsor GUADEC thinks that the community having a good time could be detrimental to what the outcome of the project? Come on! Sorry, but this argument of yours is nonsense. The fact that Gran Canaria is a touristy place makes thing cheaper, brings infrastructure. And that's two things we need for a good conference. Lennart -- Lennart PoetteringRed Hat, Inc. lennart [at] poettering [dot] net ICQ# 11060553 http://0pointer.net/lennart/ GnuPG 0x1A015CC4 ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Akademy+GUADEC *2009* Hosting Proposals
Yo! Regarding food and beer, Quim said it better than I could have but just wanted to remind you that you have to *buy* your water in Spain and when it's warm you drink lots of it and when you are hung-over everyday you must drink even more. :) In Finland you can just drink from the tap and save the money for the beer, which as Quim pointed out will not be expensive. I would assume that it's fine to drink the tap water in the canaries just fine. But I might be mistaken. I'll be surprised if that is the case since I've been on Tenerife and it wasn't possible in there. -- Regards, Zeeshan Ali Khattak FSF member#5124 ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Akademy+GUADEC *2009* Hosting Proposals
On Thu, 03.07.08 20:54, Quim Gil ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 6:30 PM, Lennart Poettering [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are there even any direct flights to Tampere, except from HEL? Ryanair in Tampere operates to Frankfurt, London, Bremen, Dublin, Milan and to Riga. Blue 1 operates to Stockholm and Copenhagen. Still no comparison to charter trips. Food, at http://www.gnome.org/~behdad/akademy+guadec-2009-bids/finland/ there is a list of restaurants with many options starting from meals at 5€. Remember that Tampere is a city full of (public) university students, including Erasmus from all Europe. 5€ is a competitive price in the Spanish Summer, specially in the coast. Coping with parties every night is a problem for the economy of many. This was raised in previous editions and should be taken into account next year, no matter where. 3 sponsored social events with drinks reasonably covered + a couple of nights covered by a visit to the supermarket + a couple of nights actually sleeping well and drinking very healty water... Sounds like a plan? I somehow doubt that this works out. It didn't in Birmingham: some people went out all the time because they had no problems affording it in Birmingham -- Some people had to focus more on living from Tesco. Claiming that this was a good solution is, uh, not really understandable to me. Anyway. I think I am not the right one to fight for all the oppressed and disadvantaged who might want to come to GUADEC. So let's stop the money discussion here. Just one last thing: I just think it is not the right sign to move the conference to the country with the third highest cost of living in Europe, after has already been in Norway (which is the country with the highest cost of living) two years ago. (We should move it to Switzerland in 2010, then we'd have had it in all three most expensive countries. Yay! -- that ranking is from ECA International, some study I justed googled) Lennart -- Lennart PoetteringRed Hat, Inc. lennart [at] poettering [dot] net ICQ# 11060553 http://0pointer.net/lennart/ GnuPG 0x1A015CC4 ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Akademy+GUADEC *2009* Hosting Proposals
On 7/3/08, Lennart Poettering [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 03.07.08 20:54, Quim Gil ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 6:30 PM, Lennart Poettering [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are there even any direct flights to Tampere, except from HEL? Ryanair in Tampere operates to Frankfurt, London, Bremen, Dublin, Milan and to Riga. Blue 1 operates to Stockholm and Copenhagen. Still no comparison to charter trips. Food, at http://www.gnome.org/~behdad/akademy+guadec-2009-bids/finland/ there is a list of restaurants with many options starting from meals at 5€. Remember that Tampere is a city full of (public) university students, including Erasmus from all Europe. 5€ is a competitive price in the Spanish Summer, specially in the coast. Coping with parties every night is a problem for the economy of many. This was raised in previous editions and should be taken into account next year, no matter where. 3 sponsored social events with drinks reasonably covered + a couple of nights covered by a visit to the supermarket + a couple of nights actually sleeping well and drinking very healty water... Sounds like a plan? I somehow doubt that this works out. It didn't in Birmingham: some people went out all the time because they had no problems affording it in Birmingham -- Some people had to focus more on living from Tesco. Claiming that this was a good solution is, uh, not really understandable to me. I don't think it's trivial either. The point of GUADEC is to socialize and get to known each other. We can't pretend to have everyone always together, but we should try to give everyone the chance to attend more places than Tesco. Not to make it a reason to always choose the cheapest place nor to rule out more expensive places, but let's try to keep it accesible to more people. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Akademy+GUADEC *2009* Hosting Proposals
On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 22:18 +0300, Zeeshan Ali Khattak wrote: Hi guys! On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 6:30 PM, Lennart Poettering [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are there even any direct flights to Tampere, except from HEL? You are kidding me right? :) You haven't heard of the wonders of Ryanair and you are against Tampere bid? :) Regarding food and beer, Quim said it better than I could have but just wanted to remind you that you have to *buy* your water in Spain and when it's warm you drink lots of it and when you are hung-over everyday you must drink even more. :) In Finland you can just drink from the tap and save the money for the beer, which as Quim pointed out will not be expensive. The price of the water is irrelevant if we see the large numbers. Using the information given in the bids (not biased): Taking out the social event costs, we have: How much money is required by external sources (aka sponsors)?: Venue: Tampere : € 21,000 + part of € 70,000 (labour. how much?) Canarias: € 0 A Coruña: € 0 Travel grants: How much money has been invested in this GUADEC for travel grants this year? (US$ 60,000?). For GUADEC+Akademy we should expect to move more people (double?) and having less money for that matter will be a big deal. Still is necessary to leave a part of that budget for keynotes. Will the common sponsors (for both GUADEC and Akademy) gives the double amount of money? According to the costs of Tampere: They will have assigned a travel grant of €25,000 (US$39,215). Canarias and A Coruña: They doesn't give any number here, but because they can invest (if they want to) almost all the money received by sponsors for travel grants. Expenses for participants: Lunch: Tampere : Between €5 - €25/day = Between €35 - €175/week. A Coruña: Between €8 - €18/day = Between €56 - €126/week. Canarias: €196/week. Accommodations (the minimal cost provided): Tampere : €71/day = €497/week A Coruña: €15/day = €105/week Canarias: Not given (yet?). Summary cost per person: Tampere : Between €532 - €672/week. A Coruña: Between €161 - €231/week. Canarias: It can't be calculated. Random notes: 1. If accommodation would be sponsored, with the same amount of money, A Coruña could sponsor 3 participants, while Tampere could sponsor only 1. 2. It is reasonable to think, in this issue, that with the same amount of money, both Canarias and A Coruña, will have more than €30,000 extras than Tampere for travel grants. 3. It would be nice to know how much of €70,000 in labour costs in Tampere will be covered by local organization. For (2.) I considered €63,000 which is extremely conservative. 4. Canarias will pay by them self €60,000 moving international journalists and African technological chairmans. This could be a good media coverage (if they do it). 5. Moving people inside Europe shouldn't be a big deal. The three cities have connections with main cities in Europe. 6. Moving people coming from outside of Europe will not be cheap because is summertime. It is high season, anyway. 7. It would be nice having Canarias accommodation costs. At last, if the water is a real problem, then A Coruña should be the best option here (cheaper than Tampere and good water). However, for travelers almost always is recommended not to drink water from the tap, not because is polluted; because the bacterial flora is different. Kind regards, -- Germán Póo-Caamaño Concepción - Chile http://www.gnome.org/~gpoo/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Akademy+GUADEC *2009* Hosting Proposals
Hello! If my vote counts, I'll vote for Finand because: 1. I live here. :) 2. GUADEC has happened in Spain twice already and it has never happened in Finland. AFAIK Akademy has never happened in Finland before either right?. 3. Not many GNOMEs have every been to Finland but that is not true about Spain. -- Regards, Zeeshan Ali Khattak FSF member#5124 ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd want some reassurance about the accommodation. It can be insanely expensive in Helsinki. Is there some place where lots of people can stay cheaply. From the materials available at http://www.gnome.org/~behdad/akademy+guadec-2009-bids/finland/ 7 Accommodation and food There are numerous accommodation options near the meeting area. Accommodation in a nearby school will be arranged and this will be the lowest cost option. The Tampere Student Housing Foundation (TOAS) provides rentable student housing. In the summertime some of these houses work as a summer hostels. TOAS is able to provide us around 200 beds in the student houses. There houses will also be in the walking distance. The costs for these rooms will be low. Hotel Omenahotelli is one of the most cost-effective choices, there is accommodation for 400 people and it is within walking distance. The Sokos Hotel Villa can be found nearest to University of Tampere. Many other hotels are within a short walking distance. Please see the list of the hotels and the map of the area. Hotel prices in Tampere are availabe in the materials, ranging from Room from 71 €/night (1-4 people) to Single from 129 €/night if you are that type of guy. ;) Finland is not a cheap country but is not the crazy e.g. Norwegian thing. :) Tampere has average prices compared to the more expensive Helsinki. Food, beer, restaurants and stuff are also cheaper in Tampere for the same products. -- Quim Gil /// http://flors.wordpress.com ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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Hi, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: Quick reminder that we are all ears to hear your comments about the three proposals. Please send them sooner rather than later. Indeed, I was waiting for comments from others before jumping in... Here goes. The Finland bid will obviously (?) have Nokia backing, so we should have a good site, some people working to organise and have a very smoothly run conference. They've done a lot of advance work, and Finland is a solid (if slightly pricey) option. A Coruna looks like a nice bid too. Also a little out of the way, like the other two (before anyone jumps in, anything outside Frankfurt, Amsterdam, London, Milan and Paris is out of the way - those are the air transport hubs of Europe). Like Tampere and Tenerife, they have done a lot of advance work, and I'd like to go to Spain again :) I think we'll have a hard time convincing sponsors to support the Canary Islands bid - it's mid-Summer, a holiday destination, it's out of the way for people coming from the US and Australia, and the image people will have when we present the plan to them will be we're paying for a junket. Whether it's true or not, there will be a perception that costs for both accommodation and travel will be higher than if we'd held the conference somewhere else. As two non-profits sending out begging letters, we need to be careful about the message we send to sponsors by our acts. Benefactors like to give money to organisations they see as being frugal. That said, the organisers have done a great job garnering local support and pre-agreeing infrastructure, which makes me think twice about the bid. Nevertheless, I feel that we'd be sending the wrong message having the conference in an island holiday resort. After all that, I'm happy with either Tampere or A Coruna, and I hope I haven't offended the guys who put so much effort into Tenerife's bid. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Akademy+GUADEC *2009* Hosting Proposals
Hi everyone, Quick reminder that we are all ears to hear your comments about the three proposals. Please send them sooner rather than later. Thanks behdad On Mon, 2008-06-23 at 18:17 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: Greetings, The GNOME Foundation and KDE e.V. boards received three proposals to host Akademy+GUADEC 2009. The bids are available for review here: http://www.gnome.org/~behdad/akademy+guadec-2009-bids/ The boards did not receive any separate bids for Akademy-only or GUADEC-only hosting. At this time we are soliciting comments from the GNOME community and other GUADEC regulars. Please use this thread on foundation-list to submit your comments. The review period closes on July 4th, in preparation for making a decision in Istanbul. Regards, Behdad On behalf of GNOME Foundation and KDE e.V. boards -- behdad http://behdad.org/ Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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On Mon, 2008-06-23 at 18:17 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: The GNOME Foundation and KDE e.V. boards received three proposals to host Akademy+GUADEC 2009. The bids are available for review here: http://www.gnome.org/~behdad/akademy+guadec-2009-bids/ The boards did not receive any separate bids for Akademy-only or GUADEC-only hosting. I'm looking forward already to this event! Combining Guadec and Akademy as the main event for both GNOME and KDE sounds like the best idea ever proposed to me. Let it be a moment of collaboration between two friendly competing groups of passionate software development professionals. I have great respect for the previous Guademy conferences. I noticed Spain played a pioneering role in that. That's definitely a plus for the Spanish proposals. Nonetheless I'm a big fan of Finland (Saunas, forests, Nokia). My personal preference therefore goes to Tampere. My second choice is Coruña in Galicia. The nice guys at Igalia have been telling me a lot about Galicia ... I just think I should visit it for holidays instead of conference reasons. I'm sure both the people in Coruña and Tampere both have the expertise and infrastructure to host the event. At this time we are soliciting comments from the GNOME community and other GUADEC regulars. Please use this thread on foundation-list to submit your comments. The review period closes on July 4th, in preparation for making a decision in Istanbul. Regards, Philip -- Philip Van Hoof, freelance software developer home: me at pvanhoof dot be gnome: pvanhoof at gnome dot org http://pvanhoof.be/blog http://codeminded.be ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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On Tue, 2008-06-24 at 00:50 +0200, Philip Van Hoof wrote: Nonetheless I'm a big fan of Finland (Saunas, forests, Nokia). My personal preference therefore goes to Tampere. My second choice is Coruña in Galicia. The nice guys at Igalia have been telling me a lot about Galicia ... I just think I should visit it for holidays instead of conference reasons. All three proposals look so impressive that makes me sad that we have to turn two down. /me wants to visit them all... -- behdad http://behdad.org/ Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
