Re: Proposal - merge the Foundation blog into gnome.org
Stormy Peters spet...@mozilla.com wrote: Allan, I think you proposed it and got some feedback and general support. Sounds like a plan to me. Thanks for making this happen! Cheers Stormy. Here's a rough plan for the transition: 1. Add gnome.org's feed to news.gnome.org [1] 2. Ensure that everyone who needs to be able to post news on the Foundation's behalf has access to gnome.org (just get in touch if you need access!) [2] 3. Add a post to the Foundation blog announcing the move 4. Enjoy I can write the post for the Foundation blog if no one else wants to do it. I'll also ask our web gurus about the possibility of archiving the Foundation posts on gnome.org. Allan [1] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=665658 [2] https://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/GnomeDotOrgAccounts -- IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Proposal - merge the Foundation blog into gnome.org
Hi, On 12/06/2011 10:39 AM, Allan Day wrote: Here's a rough plan for the transition: 1. Add gnome.org's feed to news.gnome.org [1] 2. Ensure that everyone who needs to be able to post news on the Foundation's behalf has access to gnome.org (just get in touch if you need access!) [2] 3. Add a post to the Foundation blog announcing the move 4. Enjoy What would you think about copying foundation blog posts to gnome.org retroactively also? I don't know if Wordpress has an export/import posts option, but if it did, in addition to the we're moving announcement, that might provide consistency in the archives. If it's not straightforward, it's not vital. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Proposal - merge the Foundation blog into gnome.org
Ping. Does someone who is on the board want to comment? How do we take this forward? Allan 2011/11/30 Andrea Veri a...@gnome.org: On Wed, 30 Nov 2011, Dave Neary wrote: I'm sure there are a few people who would contest this - who are consciously not foundation members for some reason, while being GNOME hackers - and there is also the technical difficulty of where you draw the line for membership rights like having a vote in elections, but I think by and large, defining the membership of the GNOME Foundation as people involved in the GNOME project is fine. I'd be interested to hear why people don't feel they want to be Foundation members. I think it would be beneficial for the project if there is a closer relationship between being a contributor and being a Foundation member. So would I! But I know that in the past when we've talked about the value of foundation membership, there have been one or two people who said I don't want to be a foundation member. Things are changing on that side, we (Membership Committee) had several discussions and meetings with a few members of the Board about the guidelines and policies to adopt when renewing or accepting new Foundation members. If there is a problem, people should take it to foundation-list and discuss a possible solution, saying I don't want to be a Foundation member without a rationale or a motivation will definitely take us no where. During past elections (June 2011) we had some issues with the renewals notifications, someone mailed me saying there was a problem, the Committee had a meeting and everything is going great now or should I start talking about the criticisms we received about our application's form? The Foundation website is under a complete facelift and it'll go live really soon with a brand new application's page, more user-friendly with less fields and without the so-bad checkbox people out there hate so much. This is the way to solve problems and I will never stop saying that every GNOME hacker is *welcome* to join the Foundation, the way I see the GNOME Foundation is it being a big family, we should help each other and we should collaborate to make GNOME a better place for everyone. Fighting each other is *not* the way to go, please think about that. cheers, Andrea ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Proposal - merge the Foundation blog into gnome.org
On 2011-12-05 at 10:17, Allan Day wrote: Ping. Does someone who is on the board want to comment? How do we take this forward? personally, I have no issues whatsoever with the proposed move; on the other hand, I have had no real interactions with the foundation's blog, so I'm probably not the best one to ask. :-) we can definitely put this on the agenda for the next board meeting, if need be, but I think the matter can be easily resolved without it. ciao, Emmanuele. -- W: http://www.emmanuelebassi.name B: http://blogs.gnome.org/ebassi ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Proposal - merge the Foundation blog into gnome.org
Allan: On 12/ 5/11 04:17 AM, Allan Day wrote: Ping. Does someone who is on the board want to comment? How do we take this forward? I very much like the idea of streamlining the way we get the word out, so I think merging the new feed for gnome.org and the Foundation blog. We could probably do other things to make the News more visible, like make recent news more visible on the GNOME front page(s) for a period of time. I believe that one reason there is a Foundation blog is because using it ensures that the news is visible on Planet. It would be ideal if we made sure that people on Planet saw the latest news, though this could probably be done in other ways aside from having a Foundation blog. Perhaps, as I suggested earlier, we could just integrate News into the Planet front page more tightly. I am not sure what you are asking, though, when you ask how do we take this forward. Is there disagreement about how we should set this up, or do we need help making the changes? For example, do you think we need to involve the sysadmin team? Brian 2011/11/30 Andrea Veria...@gnome.org: On Wed, 30 Nov 2011, Dave Neary wrote: I'm sure there are a few people who would contest this - who are consciously not foundation members for some reason, while being GNOME hackers - and there is also the technical difficulty of where you draw the line for membership rights like having a vote in elections, but I think by and large, defining the membership of the GNOME Foundation as people involved in the GNOME project is fine. I'd be interested to hear why people don't feel they want to be Foundation members. I think it would be beneficial for the project if there is a closer relationship between being a contributor and being a Foundation member. So would I! But I know that in the past when we've talked about the value of foundation membership, there have been one or two people who said I don't want to be a foundation member. Things are changing on that side, we (Membership Committee) had several discussions and meetings with a few members of the Board about the guidelines and policies to adopt when renewing or accepting new Foundation members. If there is a problem, people should take it to foundation-list and discuss a possible solution, saying I don't want to be a Foundation member without a rationale or a motivation will definitely take us no where. During past elections (June 2011) we had some issues with the renewals notifications, someone mailed me saying there was a problem, the Committee had a meeting and everything is going great now or should I start talking about the criticisms we received about our application's form? The Foundation website is under a complete facelift and it'll go live really soon with a brand new application's page, more user-friendly with less fields and without the so-bad checkbox people out there hate so much. This is the way to solve problems and I will never stop saying that every GNOME hacker is *welcome* to join the Foundation, the way I see the GNOME Foundation is it being a big family, we should help each other and we should collaborate to make GNOME a better place for everyone. Fighting each other is *not* the way to go, please think about that. cheers, Andrea ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Proposal - merge the Foundation blog into gnome.org
Allan, I think you proposed it and got some feedback and general support. Sounds like a plan to me. Thanks for making this happen! Stormy On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 9:35 AM, Brian Cameron brian.came...@oracle.comwrote: Allan: On 12/ 5/11 04:17 AM, Allan Day wrote: Ping. Does someone who is on the board want to comment? How do we take this forward? I very much like the idea of streamlining the way we get the word out, so I think merging the new feed for gnome.org and the Foundation blog. We could probably do other things to make the News more visible, like make recent news more visible on the GNOME front page(s) for a period of time. I believe that one reason there is a Foundation blog is because using it ensures that the news is visible on Planet. It would be ideal if we made sure that people on Planet saw the latest news, though this could probably be done in other ways aside from having a Foundation blog. Perhaps, as I suggested earlier, we could just integrate News into the Planet front page more tightly. I am not sure what you are asking, though, when you ask how do we take this forward. Is there disagreement about how we should set this up, or do we need help making the changes? For example, do you think we need to involve the sysadmin team? Brian 2011/11/30 Andrea Veria...@gnome.org: On Wed, 30 Nov 2011, Dave Neary wrote: I'm sure there are a few people who would contest this - who are consciously not foundation members for some reason, while being GNOME hackers - and there is also the technical difficulty of where you draw the line for membership rights like having a vote in elections, but I think by and large, defining the membership of the GNOME Foundation as people involved in the GNOME project is fine. I'd be interested to hear why people don't feel they want to be Foundation members. I think it would be beneficial for the project if there is a closer relationship between being a contributor and being a Foundation member. So would I! But I know that in the past when we've talked about the value of foundation membership, there have been one or two people who said I don't want to be a foundation member. Things are changing on that side, we (Membership Committee) had several discussions and meetings with a few members of the Board about the guidelines and policies to adopt when renewing or accepting new Foundation members. If there is a problem, people should take it to foundation-list and discuss a possible solution, saying I don't want to be a Foundation member without a rationale or a motivation will definitely take us no where. During past elections (June 2011) we had some issues with the renewals notifications, someone mailed me saying there was a problem, the Committee had a meeting and everything is going great now or should I start talking about the criticisms we received about our application's form? The Foundation website is under a complete facelift and it'll go live really soon with a brand new application's page, more user-friendly with less fields and without the so-bad checkbox people out there hate so much. This is the way to solve problems and I will never stop saying that every GNOME hacker is *welcome* to join the Foundation, the way I see the GNOME Foundation is it being a big family, we should help each other and we should collaborate to make GNOME a better place for everyone. Fighting each other is *not* the way to go, please think about that. cheers, Andrea __**_ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/**listinfo/foundation-listhttp://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list __**_ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/**listinfo/foundation-listhttp://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list __**_ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/**listinfo/foundation-listhttp://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Proposal - merge the Foundation blog into gnome.org
On 11/30/2011 10:32 AM, Allan Day wrote: Hi all, For a long time we have had a news feed for gnome.org and a separate Foundation blog. I'm proposing that we combine them both into the gnome.org feed. A bit of background. First, I think we should be moving in a direction where the Foundation isn't considered to be a separate entity from the GNOME project. The Foundation is a vital part of our project, there shouldn't be much of a difference between 'The GNOME Project' and 'The GNOME Foundation' in terms of membership and identity. Second, GNOME's news feeds are currently in a rather poor state. They are highly fragmented and are often dead or on life support. I very much agree! The foundation news on http://foundation.gnome.org/ are few and far in between and in a less visible place compared to the www.gnome.org frontpage and combining them would be a good move, since all the news currently on f.g.o would fit very well on w.g.o as well. - Andreas ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Proposal - merge the Foundation blog into gnome.org
I strongly agree as well - having one centralized new source will help people understand what's going on and not miss anything. Having new and timely news is the best way to get repeat visitors and engagement and this is a great step towards that. --Paul On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 7:35 AM, Andreas Nilsson li...@andreasn.se wrote: On 11/30/2011 10:32 AM, Allan Day wrote: Hi all, For a long time we have had a news feed for gnome.org and a separate Foundation blog. I'm proposing that we combine them both into the gnome.org feed. A bit of background. First, I think we should be moving in a direction where the Foundation isn't considered to be a separate entity from the GNOME project. The Foundation is a vital part of our project, there shouldn't be much of a difference between 'The GNOME Project' and 'The GNOME Foundation' in terms of membership and identity. Second, GNOME's news feeds are currently in a rather poor state. They are highly fragmented and are often dead or on life support. I very much agree! The foundation news on http://foundation.gnome.org/ are few and far in between and in a less visible place compared to the www.gnome.org frontpage and combining them would be a good move, since all the news currently on f.g.o would fit very well on w.g.o as well. - Andreas ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Proposal - merge the Foundation blog into gnome.org
Hi, On 11/30/2011 10:32 AM, Allan Day wrote: For a long time we have had a news feed for gnome.org and a separate Foundation blog. I'm proposing that we combine them both into the gnome.org feed. I definitely think that moving to a unique GNOME News feed news page is a great idea. I wonder: how will this structure allow the evolution of handling news for GNOME? Is there a way to submit a story or contact the editors? How does one become an editor? And, just to be clear, when you talk about the gnome.org news feed, you're talking about http://gnome.org/news (the wordpress blog) and not http://news.gnome.org (the Planet aggregator), yes? A bit of background. First, I think we should be moving in a direction where the Foundation isn't considered to be a separate entity from the GNOME project. The Foundation is a vital part of our project, there shouldn't be much of a difference between 'The GNOME Project' and 'The GNOME Foundation' in terms of membership and identity. I'm sure there are a few people who would contest this - who are consciously not foundation members for some reason, while being GNOME hackers - and there is also the technical difficulty of where you draw the line for membership rights like having a vote in elections, but I think by and large, defining the membership of the GNOME Foundation as people involved in the GNOME project is fine. The gnome.org news feed and the Foundation blog are almost identical in scope. The gnome.org feed provides 'official', generally non-technical, news about what is happening in the GNOME project. The Foundation blog is exactly the same, except that it is restricted to the Foundation. There is a large class of subjects that I would like to see on both streams, including board elections, fund raising campaigns, new members, release announcements and initiatives such as the GNOME Outreach Program for Women. Both the gnome.org news stream and the Foundation blog would benefit from having a higher frequency of posts. It might be hard to lose the Foundation blog, but I think we'd be stronger if we united our feeds. Thoughts? Opinions? I don't think the Foundation blog is being read by anything except the GNOME announcement aggregator right now, to be honest. Occasionally people would point to foundation announcements in other blogs, so it's important to ensure old links keep working or redirect, but I'm all in favour of simplifying and consolidating foundation news sources, on condition that the result is interesting for people to read. I'd also be happy to see notes pointing to significant news stories about GNOME written on other sources going into this news feed, by the way (as I think I've said before). Presumably what to do about the Journal? and what to do about news.gnome.org? are separate discussions? Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Proposal - merge the Foundation blog into gnome.org
Hi Dave, On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 3:16 PM, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org wrote: Hi, On 11/30/2011 10:32 AM, Allan Day wrote: For a long time we have had a news feed for gnome.org and a separate Foundation blog. I'm proposing that we combine them both into the gnome.org feed. I definitely think that moving to a unique GNOME News feed news page is a great idea. I wonder: how will this structure allow the evolution of handling news for GNOME? Is there a way to submit a story or contact the editors? How does one become an editor? Personally, I don't think it should be the role of gnome.org to be a generic news service. It should be more 'official' than that. That isn't to say that we could not establish such a service elsewhere, of course (this was discussed on the marketing list not long ago [1]). And, just to be clear, when you talk about the gnome.org news feed, you're talking about http://gnome.org/news (the wordpress blog) and not http://news.gnome.org (the Planet aggregator), yes? Yes. A bit of background. First, I think we should be moving in a direction where the Foundation isn't considered to be a separate entity from the GNOME project. The Foundation is a vital part of our project, there shouldn't be much of a difference between 'The GNOME Project' and 'The GNOME Foundation' in terms of membership and identity. I'm sure there are a few people who would contest this - who are consciously not foundation members for some reason, while being GNOME hackers - and there is also the technical difficulty of where you draw the line for membership rights like having a vote in elections, but I think by and large, defining the membership of the GNOME Foundation as people involved in the GNOME project is fine. I'd be interested to hear why people don't feel they want to be Foundation members. I think it would be beneficial for the project if there is a closer relationship between being a contributor and being a Foundation member. The gnome.org news feed and the Foundation blog are almost identical in scope. The gnome.org feed provides 'official', generally non-technical, news about what is happening in the GNOME project. The Foundation blog is exactly the same, except that it is restricted to the Foundation. There is a large class of subjects that I would like to see on both streams, including board elections, fund raising campaigns, new members, release announcements and initiatives such as the GNOME Outreach Program for Women. Both the gnome.org news stream and the Foundation blog would benefit from having a higher frequency of posts. It might be hard to lose the Foundation blog, but I think we'd be stronger if we united our feeds. Thoughts? Opinions? I don't think the Foundation blog is being read by anything except the GNOME announcement aggregator right now, to be honest. Occasionally people would point to foundation announcements in other blogs, so it's important to ensure old links keep working or redirect, but I'm all in favour of simplifying and consolidating foundation news sources, on condition that the result is interesting for people to read. I'd also be happy to see notes pointing to significant news stories about GNOME written on other sources going into this news feed, by the way (as I think I've said before). Presumably what to do about the Journal? and what to do about news.gnome.org? are separate discussions? Yes, again, check the marketing list archive. Allan [1] http://mail.gnome.org/archives/marketing-list/2011-October/msg00064.html -- IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Proposal - merge the Foundation blog into gnome.org
Hi, I totally agree with you Alan as we discussed in IRC a few days ago. The Foundation and the GNOME project itself should use one main stream of News located on the homepage of gnome.org. As you can see at [1], the Foundation's blog has been a bit inactive since several months now (my post there is recent but the previous is dated July 12th), mainly because having several news feeds means having multiple writers and editors and that requires time and organization we would love seeing focused somewhere else. So, ack from me for one main and well-maintained GNOME feed for both the Foundation and the GNOME Project itself. cheers, On Wed, 30 Nov 2011, Allan Day wrote: Hi all, For a long time we have had a news feed for gnome.org and a separate Foundation blog. I'm proposing that we combine them both into the gnome.org feed. A bit of background. First, I think we should be moving in a direction where the Foundation isn't considered to be a separate entity from the GNOME project. The Foundation is a vital part of our project, there shouldn't be much of a difference between 'The GNOME Project' and 'The GNOME Foundation' in terms of membership and identity. Second, GNOME's news feeds are currently in a rather poor state. They are highly fragmented and are often dead or on life support. The gnome.org news feed and the Foundation blog are almost identical in scope. The gnome.org feed provides 'official', generally non-technical, news about what is happening in the GNOME project. The Foundation blog is exactly the same, except that it is restricted to the Foundation. There is a large class of subjects that I would like to see on both streams, including board elections, fund raising campaigns, new members, release announcements and initiatives such as the GNOME Outreach Program for Women. Both the gnome.org news stream and the Foundation blog would benefit from having a higher frequency of posts. It might be hard to lose the Foundation blog, but I think we'd be stronger if we united our feeds. Thoughts? Opinions? Allan -- IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Proposal - merge the Foundation blog into gnome.org
On Wed, 30 Nov 2011, Andrea Veri wrote: Hi, I totally agree with you Alan as we discussed in IRC a few days ago. The Foundation and the GNOME project itself should use one main stream of News located on the homepage of gnome.org. As you can see at [1], the Foundation's blog has been a bit inactive since several months now (my post there is recent but the previous is dated July 12th), mainly because having several news feeds means having multiple writers and editors and that requires time and organization we would love seeing focused somewhere else. So, ack from me for one main and well-maintained GNOME feed for both the Foundation and the GNOME Project itself. cheers, Sorry, I forgot to post the link outlined above. Here it is: [1] http://blogs.gnome.org/foundation cheers, Andrea signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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On Wed, 30 Nov 2011, Dave Neary wrote: I wonder: how will this structure allow the evolution of handling news for GNOME? Is there a way to submit a story or contact the editors? How does one become an editor? I think every GNOME's sub-team will have someone contributing as authorized editor like we do for the quarterly reports, to avoid giving out too many accounts. So mainly one person per team will take care of publishing anything relevant for the GNOME Foundation or the project itself, and that person can be easily appointed by the team's consensus. cheers, Andrea signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Proposal - merge the Foundation blog into gnome.org
Hi, On 11/30/2011 05:28 PM, Allan Day wrote: I wonder: how will this structure allow the evolution of handling news for GNOME? Is there a way to submit a story or contact the editors? How does one become an editor? Personally, I don't think it should be the role of gnome.org to be a generic news service. It should be more 'official' than that. That isn't to say that we could not establish such a service elsewhere, of course (this was discussed on the marketing list not long ago [1]). We're on the same wavelenth. I'm thinking: how will the official news team scale over time? I've seen maintainers for various official GNOME things go away over time, and it would be nice not to bake that in here too - Planet, the website, the GNOME software map and the original sysadmins come to mind. It would be good to have a way to easily spread the load, and have as little as possible of the resources be under 1 or 2 people. I'm sure there are a few people who would contest this - who are consciously not foundation members for some reason, while being GNOME hackers - and there is also the technical difficulty of where you draw the line for membership rights like having a vote in elections, but I think by and large, defining the membership of the GNOME Foundation as people involved in the GNOME project is fine. I'd be interested to hear why people don't feel they want to be Foundation members. I think it would be beneficial for the project if there is a closer relationship between being a contributor and being a Foundation member. So would I! But I know that in the past when we've talked about the value of foundation membership, there have been one or two people who said I don't want to be a foundation member. Presumably what to do about the Journal? and what to do about news.gnome.org? are separate discussions? Yes, again, check the marketing list archive. OK - thanks. I don't know if I mentioned here that I wasn't following the list for a few months. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Proposal - merge the Foundation blog into gnome.org
On Wed, 30 Nov 2011, Dave Neary wrote: I'm sure there are a few people who would contest this - who are consciously not foundation members for some reason, while being GNOME hackers - and there is also the technical difficulty of where you draw the line for membership rights like having a vote in elections, but I think by and large, defining the membership of the GNOME Foundation as people involved in the GNOME project is fine. I'd be interested to hear why people don't feel they want to be Foundation members. I think it would be beneficial for the project if there is a closer relationship between being a contributor and being a Foundation member. So would I! But I know that in the past when we've talked about the value of foundation membership, there have been one or two people who said I don't want to be a foundation member. Things are changing on that side, we (Membership Committee) had several discussions and meetings with a few members of the Board about the guidelines and policies to adopt when renewing or accepting new Foundation members. If there is a problem, people should take it to foundation-list and discuss a possible solution, saying I don't want to be a Foundation member without a rationale or a motivation will definitely take us no where. During past elections (June 2011) we had some issues with the renewals notifications, someone mailed me saying there was a problem, the Committee had a meeting and everything is going great now or should I start talking about the criticisms we received about our application's form? The Foundation website is under a complete facelift and it'll go live really soon with a brand new application's page, more user-friendly with less fields and without the so-bad checkbox people out there hate so much. This is the way to solve problems and I will never stop saying that every GNOME hacker is *welcome* to join the Foundation, the way I see the GNOME Foundation is it being a big family, we should help each other and we should collaborate to make GNOME a better place for everyone. Fighting each other is *not* the way to go, please think about that. cheers, Andrea signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
