Re: [OT] Re: You logo
On Fri, 2015-04-03 at 22:38 +0100, Magdalen Berns wrote: Let's be real: this is pure drama I believe you're being pretty rude in reducing other people's distress to pure drama. Please be respectful, in the same way as you expect others to be. Claudio ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: You logo
Hey. To use GNOME logo, modify it and endorse to your product you need written permission from GNOME Foundation. Just check out at: https://www.gnome.org/logo-and-trademarks/ and https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show/FoundationBoard/Resources/LicensingGuidelines?action=showredirect=Foundation%2FLicensingGuidelines El abr 4, 2015 7:37 PM, Konstantin Falin falin...@gmail.com escribió: all right. i got it. I do not know the terminology. try to fix this gap. I'm sorry for taking the time to talk with me. 3 апр. 2015 г., в 19:40, Behdad Esfahbod behdad.esfah...@gmail.com написал(а): On 15-04-03 04:03 AM, Richard Stallman wrote: We will use the distribution Fedora 20 with the environment Gnome 3.12, as it is already tested and I like that everything is working as it should. Fedora is a GNU/Linux distribution, I thought it's a GNU/Linux/xorg/texmf/PHP/Perl/Python/HarfBuzz/... distribution. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: You logo
A belligerent response does not mean that someone's action was offensive. Whether a message is polite or not is a question of what it says. My message pointed out what is right to do, but did not make a demand. It did not attack or even criticize anyone. It was polite and inoffensive. My message did not _cause_ anyone to leave the list. Some people chose to leave the list, slamming the door behind them metaphorically, but that was a gesture. They did it as a demand to gag me. They did not have to do that. They could easily have let my message pass without responding. If they had done so, this side-discussion would have been over so fast they'd hardly have noticed it. Don't worry about them -- they will probably come back. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: You logo
Please respect the rules of this list and stay true to the topic on the subject. With all due respect, I am doing exactly that. This list is for discussing activities related to the GNOME Foundation. To discuss such an activity here is within the rules. When I say that the activity should recognize the GNU system, that is part of the discussion of the activity. If you think the activity as a whole doesn't relate to the GNOME Foundation, and shouldn't be discussed on this list, then it's correct to ask people to move the discussion of it somewhere else. But that's a different matter. Richard, in the future, please reply off-list if you want to correct someone on the usage of GNU/Linux. We are already a GNU project, most of us already know all this. There are people on the list who do not know this. Mentioning this point twice a year, in a short polite message, is useful and is no reason for anyone to take offense. Those who already know this point can easily disregard two short polite messages a year. I think I understand what you find unpleasant. It could be the hostile responses. Some make a mountain out of my molehill and demand that you gag me. Other responses argue explicitly against citing the GNU system when talking about it. That hostility does not come from me. I am the one it is aimed at. If you think the attacks are objectionable, you should place the responsibility on those that send them. Or you could decide not to let them bother you. If I can remain calm while reading that hostility, surely it is easier for you who are not its target. I have another suggestion. How about if you notice these occasions, twice a year, and post a message saying The GNOME Foundation, as a part of the GNU Project, asks you to please refer to this operating system as GNU/Linux. See http://gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html. Please respond to me off the list if you would like more explanation. I think that will deal with the sub-issue quickly and without disputes, and nothing will be derailed either. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: You logo
Fedora is a GNU/Linux distribution, I thought it's a GNU/Linux/xorg/texmf/PHP/Perl/Python/HarfBuzz/... distribution. See http://gnu.org/gnu/gnu-linux-faq.html#many. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: You logo
all right. i got it. I do not know the terminology. try to fix this gap. I'm sorry for taking the time to talk with me. 3 апр. 2015 г., в 19:40, Behdad Esfahbod behdad.esfah...@gmail.com написал(а): On 15-04-03 04:03 AM, Richard Stallman wrote: We will use the distribution Fedora 20 with the environment Gnome 3.12, as it is already tested and I like that everything is working as it should. Fedora is a GNU/Linux distribution, I thought it's a GNU/Linux/xorg/texmf/PHP/Perl/Python/HarfBuzz/... distribution. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: You logo
Hey Richard, בתאריך ש', אפר 4, 2015 בשעה 5:47 PM, Richard Stallman r...@gnu.org כתב: There are people on the list who do not know this. Mentioning this point twice a year, in a short polite message, is useful and is no reason for anyone to take offense. Those who already know this point can easily disregard two short polite messages a year. You have a mistake here: short polite message twice a year it already not polite when it cause some people to leave the list. Regards, Yosef Or Boczko I think I understand what you find unpleasant. It could be the hostile responses. Some make a mountain out of my molehill and demand that you gag me. Other responses argue explicitly against citing the GNU system when talking about it. That hostility does not come from me. I am the one it is aimed at. If you think the attacks are objectionable, you should place the responsibility on those that send them. Or you could decide not to let them bother you. If I can remain calm while reading that hostility, surely it is easier for you who are not its target. I have another suggestion. How about if you notice these occasions, twice a year, and post a message saying The GNOME Foundation, as a part of the GNU Project, asks you to please refer to this operating system as GNU/Linux. See http://gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html. Please respond to me off the list if you would like more explanation. I think that will deal with the sub-issue quickly and without disputes, and nothing will be derailed either. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: You logo
On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 6:12 PM, Yosef Or Boczko yosef...@gnome.org wrote: Hey Richard, בתאריך ש', אפר 4, 2015 בשעה 5:47 PM, Richard Stallman r...@gnu.org כתב: There are people on the list who do not know this. Mentioning this point twice a year, in a short polite message, is useful and is no reason for anyone to take offense. Those who already know this point can easily disregard two short polite messages a year. You have a mistake here: short polite message twice a year it already not polite when it cause some people to leave the list. On what planet is it Richard's fault people reacted to a brief aside, by throwing all the toys out the pram, calling him a troll, demanding his emails get deleted from the list and then leaving in a display of shameless, drama? Anyone who is not biased by some historic grievance against Richard ought to be able to see that he did not abuse anyone in this thread and that people have actually just been abusive towards him. When someone is bullied, it's always the perpetrators fault: Never the victim. Magdalen Regards, Yosef Or Boczko I think I understand what you find unpleasant. It could be the hostile responses. Some make a mountain out of my molehill and demand that you gag me. Other responses argue explicitly against citing the GNU system when talking about it. That hostility does not come from me. I am the one it is aimed at. If you think the attacks are objectionable, you should place the responsibility on those that send them. Or you could decide not to let them bother you. If I can remain calm while reading that hostility, surely it is easier for you who are not its target. I have another suggestion. How about if you notice these occasions, twice a year, and post a message saying The GNOME Foundation, as a part of the GNU Project, asks you to please refer to this operating system as GNU/Linux. See http://gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html. Please respond to me off the list if you would like more explanation. I think that will deal with the sub-issue quickly and without disputes, and nothing will be derailed either. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
[OT] Re: You logo
On Fri, 2015-04-03 at 07:03 -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: You're consistently calling out people on their imprecision when using Linux instead of GNU/Linux, yet you seem to often spell GNOME in an incorrect manner. GNOME is our trademark and it's spelled in caps. I know you usually pay attention to details, so I'd appreciate if you could pay attention to this one as well. Thank you. I will try to remember. Note that I'm not the only person who has posted messages saying Gnome. Yeah, but you are the only person on this list constantly requesting to please put a GNU/ prefix in front of the word Linux no matter what the actual topic of the corresponding thread is, creating uninteresting noise for basically everybody on this mailing list who know already anyway except for the original poster and maybe two more folks. Unfortunately your on-topic postings can be quite interesting and insightful, so I don't want to ignore just all of your emails. But as you expect others to be highly interested in spelling details (you are very free to disagree on my choice of words here), you might be expected to put in the same amount of efforts. andre -- Andre Klapper | ak...@gmx.net http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/ ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: [OT] Re: You logo
On Fri, 2015-04-03 at 16:50 +0200, Andre Klapper wrote: On Fri, 2015-04-03 at 07:03 -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: You're consistently calling out people on their imprecision when using Linux instead of GNU/Linux, yet you seem to often spell GNOME in an incorrect manner. GNOME is our trademark and it's spelled in caps. I know you usually pay attention to details, so I'd appreciate if you could pay attention to this one as well. Thank you. I will try to remember. Note that I'm not the only person who has posted messages saying Gnome. Yeah, but you are the only person on this list constantly requesting to please put a GNU/ prefix in front of the word Linux no matter what the actual topic of the corresponding thread is, creating uninteresting noise for basically everybody on this mailing list who know already anyway except for the original poster and maybe two more folks. Unfortunately your on-topic postings can be quite interesting and insightful, so I don't want to ignore just all of your emails. But as you expect others to be highly interested in spelling details (you are very free to disagree on my choice of words here), you might be expected to put in the same amount of efforts. I've had a rather short discussion with the list moderators, and, when I mentioned that we should filter out mails containing clippy-style I think you mean GNU/Linux, I was told: I'm strongly against censoring people's mails. I would argue that one's freedom stops where other people's start. I shouldn't have to put with this type of trolling on GNOME lists. So I'm leaving this list. Cheers ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: [OT] Re: You logo
On 3 April 2015 at 15:57, Bastien Nocera had...@hadess.net wrote: So I'm leaving this list. Me too. If I was to troll people about the same uninteresting thing again and again and again I would either get moderated or banned. If anyone wants to reply, please reply to my personal email address. Richard ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: You logo
On 15-04-03 04:03 AM, Richard Stallman wrote: We will use the distribution Fedora 20 with the environment Gnome 3.12, as it is already tested and I like that everything is working as it should. Fedora is a GNU/Linux distribution, I thought it's a GNU/Linux/xorg/texmf/PHP/Perl/Python/HarfBuzz/... distribution. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: [OT] Re: You logo
Let's be real: this is pure drama and it is more than slightly ironic that the original topic of this thread has been completely derailed by those seeking to censor off-topic discussion... For the record, I agree 100% with the moderators - that censorship of any card carrying member would be totally unacceptable (especially on this list). Magdalen On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 10:22 PM, Jim Campbell jcampb...@gnome.org wrote: On Fri, Apr 3, 2015, at 11:46 AM, Richard Hughes wrote: On 3 April 2015 at 15:57, Bastien Nocera had...@hadess.net wrote: So I'm leaving this list. Me too. If I was to troll people about the same uninteresting thing again and again and again I would either get moderated or banned. If anyone wants to reply, please reply to my personal email address. Richard If RMS were to say, for example, Here's where you can find information about using the GNOME trademark . . . oh, and by the way, please refer to operating systems that use the Linux kernel as GNU/Linux systems . . . I don't think there's anyone on this list who would take issue with it. And if RMS can't contribute meaningfully to the thread, but still wants to emphasize that people call it GNU/Linux, I think it's fine for him to reply off-list to the person who sent the message, and say, Kindly call it GNU/Linux. I think we're all okay with that, too. Even if we're not okay with it, it's RMS' perogative to do so. Otherwise, this is a forum for discussing matters of the GNOME Foundation. We join this list to talk about the Foundation, and probably not to talk about other things. If people repeatedly want to talk about other things, and not talk about the GNOME Foundation, I think it's appropriate for list admins to moderate those messages. Jim ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: [OT] Re: You logo
On Fri, Apr 3, 2015, at 11:46 AM, Richard Hughes wrote: On 3 April 2015 at 15:57, Bastien Nocera had...@hadess.net wrote: So I'm leaving this list. Me too. If I was to troll people about the same uninteresting thing again and again and again I would either get moderated or banned. If anyone wants to reply, please reply to my personal email address. Richard If RMS were to say, for example, Here's where you can find information about using the GNOME trademark . . . oh, and by the way, please refer to operating systems that use the Linux kernel as GNU/Linux systems . . . I don't think there's anyone on this list who would take issue with it. And if RMS can't contribute meaningfully to the thread, but still wants to emphasize that people call it GNU/Linux, I think it's fine for him to reply off-list to the person who sent the message, and say, Kindly call it GNU/Linux. I think we're all okay with that, too. Even if we're not okay with it, it's RMS' perogative to do so. Otherwise, this is a forum for discussing matters of the GNOME Foundation. We join this list to talk about the Foundation, and probably not to talk about other things. If people repeatedly want to talk about other things, and not talk about the GNOME Foundation, I think it's appropriate for list admins to moderate those messages. Jim ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: [OT] Re: You logo
On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Magdalen Berns m.be...@thismagpie.com wrote: Let's be real: this is pure drama and it is more than slightly ironic that the original topic of this thread has been completely derailed by those seeking to censor off-topic discussion... For the record, I agree 100% with the moderators - that censorship of any card carrying member would be totally unacceptable (especially on this list). This is not censorship. We're not restricting anybody's ideas here. This is just enforcing the rules of the list. The subsequent responses after Richard's are from those who are upset that rules are not being followed. There is a certain tolerance when people do that, but when it is consistent over a period of years. Tolerance erodes quickly and when not resolved, people leave the list. Please. No more replies to this thread. I have already invited the original poster to talk with the board after he initially posted and we have an active conversation already. The matter is being resolved at the right level. sri ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: You logo
On Thu, Apr 02, 2015 at 03:19:28AM -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: I would like to know whether it is possible to use your logo, but slightly modified for the production of computer equipment. The equipment will be delivered with the operating system Linux environment using Gnome 3. I think you mean the GNU/Linux operating system, using Gnome 3. Linux is just the kernel, not enough to make the computer useful. Ah, but it's enough to make a useful computer without needing any GNU tools to boot and run it, if you so desire :) It's also the core of what you are using, without it, your computer would be useless. That being said, yes, you can use GNU tools and GNOME on other operating system kernels (HURD, BSDs, etc.), but that would severely restrict your choice of hardware, and slow down your useful output by wasting power and resources needlessly, so it's not recommended. Sorry, I couldn't resist, greg k-h ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: You logo
On Wed, 2015-04-01 at 09:33 +0300, konstantin falin wrote: I would like to know whether it is possible to use your logo, but slightly modified for the production of computer equipment. The equipment will be delivered with the operating system Linux environment using Gnome 3. The software will be distributed free of charge on the basis of the GNU GPL. Please see the Third Party Usage section on https://www.gnome.org/logo-and-trademarks/ Cheers, andre -- Andre Klapper | ak...@gmx.net http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/ ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: You logo
We will use the distribution Fedora 20 with the environment Gnome 3.12, as it is already tested and I like that everything is working as it should. We would like to change the default theme using fedora to a certain way to stylize distribution. To do this, we would like to use your logo. So we want to place the logo on the equipment. To do this, we want to get your authorization. Versions of the logo is currently being developed in accordance with the options in the colors of the equipment. All options will be presented in the near future for your consideration. 2015-04-02 11:38 GMT+03:00 Greg KH gre...@linuxfoundation.org: On Thu, Apr 02, 2015 at 03:19:28AM -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: I would like to know whether it is possible to use your logo, but slightly modified for the production of computer equipment. The equipment will be delivered with the operating system Linux environment using Gnome 3. I think you mean the GNU/Linux operating system, using Gnome 3. Linux is just the kernel, not enough to make the computer useful. Ah, but it's enough to make a useful computer without needing any GNU tools to boot and run it, if you so desire :) It's also the core of what you are using, without it, your computer would be useless. That being said, yes, you can use GNU tools and GNOME on other operating system kernels (HURD, BSDs, etc.), but that would severely restrict your choice of hardware, and slow down your useful output by wasting power and resources needlessly, so it's not recommended. Sorry, I couldn't resist, greg k-h ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
