Re: [fpc-devel] don't you think it's time toupdatedelphimodecompatibility? - IDispatch, implements

2005-05-28 Thread Matthias Hryniszak


- Original Message - 
From: Tomas Hajny [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: FPC developers' list fpc-devel@lists.freepascal.org
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: [fpc-devel] don't you think it's time 
toupdatedelphimodecompatibility? - IDispatch, implements




Bisma Jayadi said:

Some known missing functionality:
1 implements style delegation
2 vararray support is patchy.
3 customvariants are missing in the rtl
4 packages
5 dispinterfaces and dispid.
6 assembler routines have some constructs that are not supported.


Can you tell which one(s) are missing then ?


Mostly caused by number 2, 3, and 6.


I don't get it. Variant support (after using variants unit) works good, 
custom variants is a mistery for me right now and assembler routines are not 
to be used in end-classes/methods/functions because of portability issues. 
Other thing is with the dispinterfaces and interfaces at all. The DO WORK 
perfectly in delphi but they are more than tricky in FPC (even though the 
support for interfaces has been greatly improved in 2.0). So in my opinion 
interfaces (which are the one-and-only) possibility for exporting classes 
from DLLs should be the most important thing to fix.


Besides I find that FPC 2.0 makes the executables just to big. Even though I 
compressed them with UPX -9 they are still bigger than the one compiled with 
delphi. This is the one thing I really dislike in freepascal. Besides the 
lack of real working interfaces I find FPC my favourite pascal compiler.


Regards,
Matthias.


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Re: [fpc-devel] don't you think it's time toupdatedelphimodecompatibility? - IDispatch, implements

2005-05-28 Thread Florian Klaempfl
Matthias Hryniszak wrote:

 
 - Original Message - From: Tomas Hajny [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: FPC developers' list fpc-devel@lists.freepascal.org
 Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 11:10 AM
 Subject: Re: [fpc-devel] don't you think it's time
 toupdatedelphimodecompatibility? - IDispatch, implements
 
 
 Bisma Jayadi said:

 Some known missing functionality:
 1 implements style delegation
 2 vararray support is patchy.
 3 customvariants are missing in the rtl
 4 packages
 5 dispinterfaces and dispid.
 6 assembler routines have some constructs that are not supported.


 Can you tell which one(s) are missing then ?


 Mostly caused by number 2, 3, and 6.
 
 
 I don't get it. Variant support (after using variants unit) works
 good, custom variants is a mistery for me right now and assembler
 routines are not to be used in end-classes/methods/functions because of
 portability issues. Other thing is with the dispinterfaces and
 interfaces at all. The DO WORK perfectly in delphi but they are more
 than tricky in FPC (even though the support for interfaces has been
 greatly improved in 2.0). So in my opinion interfaces (which are the
 one-and-only) possibility for exporting classes from DLLs should be
 the most important thing to fix.
 
 Besides I find that FPC 2.0 makes the executables just to big.+

The rtl is slightly bigger because of the portability layers and an
optimizer aligning code for modern CPUs but upx makes them definitily
smaller than D. ones:

C:\fpctype test1.pp
begin
  writeln('Hello world');
end.

C:\fpcfpc -Xs test1.pp
Free Pascal Compiler version 2.0.0 [2005/05/08] for i386
Copyright (c) 1993-2005 by Florian Klaempfl
Target OS: Win32 for i386
Compiling test1.pp
Linking test1.exe
3 Lines compiled, 0.0 sec

C:\fpcdir test1.exe
 Datenträger in Laufwerk C: ist 6Y120PO PRI
 Volumeseriennummer: 12E3-1449

 Verzeichnis von C:\fpc

28.05.2005  23:1425.600 test1.exe
   1 Datei(en) 25.600 Bytes
   0 Verzeichnis(se),  3.637.313.536 Bytes frei

C:\fpcupx test1.exe
 Ultimate Packer for eXecutables
   Copyright (C) 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004
UPX 1.25wMarkus F.X.J. Oberhumer  Laszlo MolnarJun 29th
2004

File size Ratio  Format  Name
      --   ---   ---
 25600 - 11264   44.00%win32/pe test1.exe

Packed 1 file.

C:\fpcdir test1.exe
 Datenträger in Laufwerk C: ist 6Y120PO PRI
 Volumeseriennummer: 12E3-1449

 Verzeichnis von C:\fpc

28.05.2005  23:1411.264 test1.exe
   1 Datei(en) 11.264 Bytes
   0 Verzeichnis(se),  3.637.313.536 Bytes frei

C:\fpc

IIRC Delphi creates 16 kB something.

 Even
 though I compressed them with UPX -9 they are still bigger than the one
 compiled with delphi. This is the one thing I really dislike in
 freepascal. Besides the lack of real working interfaces I find FPC my
 favourite pascal compiler.
 
 Regards,
 Matthias.
 
 
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