Re: [fpc-pascal] Google Code closing down

2015-03-14 Thread vfclists .
Google Code now has an Export to Github version on the repository pages. It
seemed to have popped out of nowhere and it must have been implemented
while I was browsing or showed up when I dropped my Javascript blockers.


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Re: [fpc-pascal] Google Code closing down

2015-03-14 Thread luiz americo pereira camara
2015-03-14 17:16 GMT-03:00 Graeme Geldenhuys mailingli...@geldenhuys.co.uk
:

 On 2015-03-14 19:44, vfclists . wrote:
  Google Code now has an Export to Github version on the repository pages.

 I've just noticed that too. That should make saving valuable open source
 projects much easier (way less effort).

 I've anybody wants to help collaborate in saving some or all FPC,
 Lazarus and Pascal projects please let me know. We can put our heads
 together and come up with a plan and work off a list of projects.




 I've just briefly scanned through some projects. There are projects like
 the FPC LLVM backend compiler (not sure if FPC developers know about
 this), Transmission GUI Frontend, FBLib (though I have my own fork on
 Github already), Luipack,


LuiPack is active (although there's not a release in the last years). I'll
do the migration on my own.

Luiz
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Re: [fpc-pascal] Google Code closing down

2015-03-14 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 2015-03-14 19:44, vfclists . wrote:
 Google Code now has an Export to Github version on the repository pages.

I've just noticed that too. That should make saving valuable open source
projects much easier (way less effort).

I've anybody wants to help collaborate in saving some or all FPC,
Lazarus and Pascal projects please let me know. We can put our heads
together and come up with a plan and work off a list of projects.

If we have a couple of people helping out, and given the 6-12 months
time limit, we should easily get through the list. Obviously active
projects will probably be migrated by their respective owners - thus the
list gets slightly smaller for us. So if you would like to help, please
contact me here, via private email or by any other channels.

I've just briefly scanned through some projects. There are projects like
the FPC LLVM backend compiler (not sure if FPC developers know about
this), Transmission GUI Frontend, FBLib (though I have my own fork on
Github already), Luipack, THTMLViewer, G-Framework etc. Some real gems.

https://code.google.com/hosting/search?q=label:FPC
https://code.google.com/hosting/search?q=label:Lazarus
https://code.google.com/hosting/search?q=label:Pascal   (the big one)

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Re: [fpc-pascal] How do you build FPC?

2015-03-14 Thread leledumbo
 Do you have some FPC/Lazarus compilation scripts or sample fpc.cfg files
you can share?

The build script:
build-fpc-cross-all.sh
http://free-pascal-general.1045716.n5.nabble.com/file/n5721321/build-fpc-cross-all.sh
  
My fpc.cfg:
fpc.cfg
http://free-pascal-general.1045716.n5.nabble.com/file/n5721321/fpc.cfg  

Now read carefully. The final directory layout is now:
$outdir
+ fpc built binaries except the actual compiler
+ $stableversion
++ standard $fpcdir/lib/fpc/$stableversion layout
+ $svnversion
++ standard $fpcdir/lib/fpc/$svnversion layout
+ $srcdir
+ lexyacc
+ tmp

* The script assumes you have proper assembler/linker accessible in PATH and
use above fpc.cfg
* Adjust fpc.cfg above to your environment
* Please start with latest release, since the script doesn't pass
OVERRIDEVERSIONCHECK=1 to make. If you insist, however, just add that flag
to make
* The script passes GDBMI=1 when building host, so you can still have
debugger enabled for fpIDE without libgdb.a exists
* tmp will be temporary destination folder, before the contents are mv-ed
and rsynced with $outdir
* In case of failure, there will be build-fpc-cross-all.log in the current
directory from which you can search for triple asterisks (***) to find what
went wrong
* $stableversion doesn't have to be there, I just do it for single fpc.cfg
requirement
* $srcdir too, but I never move it out of $outdir, though




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Re: [fpc-pascal] Google Code closing down

2015-03-14 Thread Mark Morgan Lloyd

Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:

If you haven't seen yet, Google announced that they will be closing
down Google Code. My only concern is that some niche projects used it
and that such code could be lost if not migrated to another service.
So if you have the time and know of a project that needs migration,
please do so. It is always sad to see open source code (no matter how
old) simply lost.


I was just about to start using it for something. Now I've got to start 
looking for an acceptable alternative- preferably one that operates by 
European rules rather than American ones.


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[fpc-pascal] Is the current stable release of FPC 2.6.4 or 3.0.1?

2015-03-14 Thread vfclists .
Is the current stable release  FPC 2.6.4 or 3.0.1? Is it actually 3.0.1?

When I check this site - http://svn.freepascal.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/tags/
the last tag is release_2_6_4. Is that site for release versions only? Is
there another location which as the 3.0 series among its tags?

I don't know if I'm confused because the FPC accompanying Lazarus 1.4 is
still 2.6.4.

After checking the site I see that the branches directory contains
fixes_3_0 and the tags directory goes up to release__2_6_4.

Does that mean the FPC 3.0  isn't actually a release version yet?

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[fpc-pascal] Google Code closing down

2015-03-14 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
If you haven't seen yet, Google announced that they will be closing
down Google Code. My only concern is that some niche projects used it
and that such code could be lost if not migrated to another service.
So if you have the time and know of a project that needs migration,
please do so. It is always sad to see open source code (no matter how
old) simply lost.


Regards,
  - Graeme -

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Re: [fpc-pascal] Is the current stable release of FPC 2.6.4 or 3.0.1?

2015-03-14 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 2015-03-14 09:10, vfclists . wrote:
 Does that mean the FPC 3.0  isn't actually a release version yet?

Correct. The latest stable released version in still 2.6.4. The 3.0 code
is in RC2 (for testing) I believe and should be released as 3.0 some
time in the near future.

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Re: [fpc-pascal] How do you build FPC?

2015-03-14 Thread vfclists .
On 14 March 2015 at 09:27, leledumbo leledumbo_c...@yahoo.co.id wrote:

  Do you have some FPC/Lazarus compilation scripts or sample fpc.cfg files
 you can share?

 The build script:
 build-fpc-cross-all.sh
 
 http://free-pascal-general.1045716.n5.nabble.com/file/n5721321/build-fpc-cross-all.sh
 
 My fpc.cfg:
 fpc.cfg
 http://free-pascal-general.1045716.n5.nabble.com/file/n5721321/fpc.cfg

 Now read carefully. The final directory layout is now:
 $outdir
 + fpc built binaries except the actual compiler
 + $stableversion
 ++ standard $fpcdir/lib/fpc/$stableversion layout
 + $svnversion
 ++ standard $fpcdir/lib/fpc/$svnversion layout
 + $srcdir
 + lexyacc
 + tmp

 * The script assumes you have proper assembler/linker accessible in PATH
 and
 use above fpc.cfg
 * Adjust fpc.cfg above to your environment
 * Please start with latest release, since the script doesn't pass
 OVERRIDEVERSIONCHECK=1 to make. If you insist, however, just add that flag
 to make
 * The script passes GDBMI=1 when building host, so you can still have
 debugger enabled for fpIDE without libgdb.a exists
 * tmp will be temporary destination folder, before the contents are mv-ed
 and rsynced with $outdir
 * In case of failure, there will be build-fpc-cross-all.log in the current
 directory from which you can search for triple asterisks (***) to find what
 went wrong
 * $stableversion doesn't have to be there, I just do it for single fpc.cfg
 requirement
 * $srcdir too, but I never move it out of $outdir, though




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[fpc-pascal] What is already Unicode enabled in 3.1.1?

2015-03-14 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
Hi,

Is there some FPC unicode wiki roadmap / status page? Something like
Lazarus has for it's widgetsets [http://wiki.freepascal.org/Roadmap]

For many years now the tiOPF project has two major versions being
maintained because FPC lagged behind on Delphi's Unicode support. We
have tiOPF2 which works with FPC and Delphi 7-2007, and tiOPF3 which
only works with Delphi 2009 and later.

Today I grabbed the latest FPC 3.1.1 and tried to compile tiOPF3 (which
currently only works with D2009 and later). From the wiki pages I found
that I need to enable {$MODESWITCH UNICODESTRINGS} so that the String
type is interpreted as UnicodeString. This got FPC through a couple of
units.

Now I'm getting an error with a SysUtils function FmtStr()

 tiCommandLineParams.pas(152,18) Error: Call by var for arg no. 1 has to
match exactly: Got UnicodeString expected AnsiString

The code looks as follows:

function TtiCommandLineParams.GetAsString: string;
var
  LArgIndex, LMAxArgIndex: integer;

begin
  LMAxArgIndex := FCLParams.ParamCount;

  for LArgIndex := 1 to LMAxArgIndex do
FmtStr(Result, '%s%s ', [Result, FCLParams.ParamStr(LArgIndex)]); //
 error here
  Result := Trim(Result);
end;


So it seems the SysUtis doesn't have a UnicodeString version of
FmtStr().  But then I remembered that there was talks about a AnsiString
RTL and a UnicodeString RTL. Is that switch not automatically done if I
use modeswitch UnicodeString? If not, how to I enable the Unicode RTL?

Also I get (as expected) lots of compiler warnings. For example:

tiBaseObject.pas(9,5) Hint: Unit uuchar not used in tiBaseObject

tiCommandLineParams.pas(158,34) Warning: Implicit string type conversion
with potential data loss from UnicodeString to AnsiString

tiCommandLineParams.pas(158,20) Warning: Implicit string type conversion
from AnsiString to UnicodeString


The uuchar is a weird one, because there is no uuchar unit referenced
in any of the uses clauses. So I'm presuming that FPC injects that
automatically - but then why complain about it?


Am I maybe jumping the gun by trying to use FPC 3.1.1 with tiOPF3? Is
FPC's Unicode support not yet in a usable state with Delphi 2009+ code?


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Re: [fpc-pascal] What is already Unicode enabled in 3.1.1?

2015-03-14 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 2015-03-14 11:04, Jonas Maebe wrote:
 
 Yes, you even already edited that page:

Thanks. My brain is failing me when I haven't had enough coffee yet. ;-)


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Re: [fpc-pascal] Google Code closing down

2015-03-14 Thread Florian Klaempfl
Am 14.03.2015 um 12:45 schrieb Graeme Geldenhuys:
 On 2015-03-14 11:38, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
 [Sigh] I feel like I'm being pushed onto git rather than Subversion.
 
 Then don't resist it. As 99% of developers would tell you,

[...]

 is simply
 the better product. [Graeme runs and hides :-P]

Please make the same poll about C++ and Pascal ;)

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Re: [fpc-pascal] Google Code closing down

2015-03-14 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Mark Morgan Lloyd
markmll.fpc-pas...@telemetry.co.uk wrote:
 [Sigh] I feel like I'm being pushed onto git rather than Subversion. I can
 really do without this.

For subversion you can use sourceforge. It's USA-based, however. If
you are not using cryptography it shouldn't matter, should it?
Sourceforge writes that you can't export crypto tech to some
countries, but I don't remember anything else other than that.

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Re: [fpc-pascal] Google Code closing down

2015-03-14 Thread Michael Fuchs


Am 14.03.2015 um 13:21 schrieb Michael Van Canneyt:
 Now I've got to
 start looking for an acceptable alternative- preferably one that
 operates by European rules rather than American ones.

 What do you mean by this ? How would these rules differ ?
 I wasn't aware that rules existed ?

See the example of Sourceforge:

In its terms of use, SourceForge states that its services are not
available to users in countries on the sanction list of the U.S. Office
of Foreign Assets Control (including Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Sudan and
Syria). Since 2008, access to the secure server (used for making
contributions to the site) has been blocked for people from those
countries. As of January 2010, all access including downloads was
blocked for those users. This meant that all people whose IP addresses
appear to belong to those countries were prevented from using the site.
A month later, the restrictions were relaxed so that individual projects
could indicate whether or not their software should be blocked.
Crimea has been blocked since 1 Feb 2015.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SourceForge#Country_restrictions

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Re: [fpc-pascal] Google Code closing down

2015-03-14 Thread Michael Fuchs
Am 14.03.2015 um 13:21 schrieb Michael Van Canneyt:
Now I've got to
 start looking for an acceptable alternative- preferably one that
 operates by European rules rather than American ones.
 
 What do you mean by this ? How would these rules differ ?
 I wasn't aware that rules existed ? :)

See the example of Sourceforge:

In its terms of use, SourceForge states that its services are not
available to users in countries on the sanction list of the U.S. Office
of Foreign Assets Control (including Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Sudan and
Syria). Since 2008, access to the secure server (used for making
contributions to the site) has been blocked for people from those
countries. As of January 2010, all access including downloads was
blocked for those users. This meant that all people whose IP addresses
appear to belong to those countries were prevented from using the site.
A month later, the restrictions were relaxed so that individual projects
could indicate whether or not their software should be blocked.
Crimea has been blocked since 1 Feb 2015.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SourceForge#Country_restrictions

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Re: [fpc-pascal] What is already Unicode enabled in 3.1.1?

2015-03-14 Thread Jonas Maebe
On 14/03/15 12:00, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:
 Is there some FPC unicode wiki roadmap / status page?

Yes, you even already edited that page:
http://wiki.freepascal.org/FPC_Unicode_support#RTL_changes


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Re: [fpc-pascal] Google Code closing down

2015-03-14 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 2015-03-14 10:39, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
 looking for an acceptable alternative- preferably one that operates by 
 European rules rather than American ones.

Google Code was definitely based on American rules.

Anyway, have a look at GitLab - I just bought out Gitorious. They are
based in the EU.

  https://about.gitlab.com/about/

You can even install and run your own GitLab server by checking out a
copy of the software from GitHub (??).
  https://github.com/gitlabhq/gitlabhq


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Re: [fpc-pascal] Google Code closing down

2015-03-14 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 2015-03-14 11:18, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:
 I just bought out Gitorious

Opps.. typo.. it should have read:  They just bought or took over
Gitorious - or something like that. Gitorious was also based in the EU.

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Re: [fpc-pascal] Google Code closing down

2015-03-14 Thread Mark Morgan Lloyd

Michael Van Canneyt wrote:

On Sat, 14 Mar 2015, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:


Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:

If you haven't seen yet, Google announced that they will be closing
down Google Code. My only concern is that some niche projects used it
and that such code could be lost if not migrated to another service.
So if you have the time and know of a project that needs migration,
please do so. It is always sad to see open source code (no matter how
old) simply lost.


I was just about to start using it for something. Now I've got to 
start looking for an acceptable alternative- preferably one that 
operates by European rules rather than American ones.


What do you mean by this ? How would these rules differ ?
I wasn't aware that rules existed ? :)


Google, Sourceforge and most if not all US-located services operate 
strictly according to US regulations and block access to Cuba, Iran and 
so on... it wouldn't surprise me if Russia is back on the shitlist 
before long. Irrespective of my feelings about those regimes, I'd be far 
happier to use a service that operated according to European laws and 
conventions.


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Re: [fpc-pascal] Google Code closing down

2015-03-14 Thread Mark Morgan Lloyd

Jonas Maebe wrote:

Hi,

Please continue this discussion on fpc-other (and in the future, please
also start these kinds of discussions there instead of here).


Sorry Jonas, my fault for not responding to Graeme's posting in the 
Proper Place.


At the same time I notice Michael Fuchs's quote that A month later, the 
[Sourceforge] restrictions were relaxed so that individual projects
could indicate whether or not their software should be blocked. I know 
that FPC has users in Cuba, do they still have problems downloading from 
Sourceforge?


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Re: [fpc-pascal] Google Code closing down

2015-03-14 Thread Mark Morgan Lloyd

Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:

On 2015-03-14 10:39, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
looking for an acceptable alternative- preferably one that operates by 
European rules rather than American ones.


Google Code was definitely based on American rules.


I know.


Anyway, have a look at GitLab - I just bought out Gitorious. They are
based in the EU.


[Sigh] I feel like I'm being pushed onto git rather than Subversion. I 
can really do without this.


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Re: [fpc-pascal] Google Code closing down

2015-03-14 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 2015-03-14 11:38, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
 [Sigh] I feel like I'm being pushed onto git rather than Subversion.

Then don't resist it. As 99% of developers would tell you, Git is simply
the better product. [Graeme runs and hides :-P]

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Re: [fpc-pascal] Google Code closing down

2015-03-14 Thread Michael Van Canneyt



On Sat, 14 Mar 2015, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:


Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:

If you haven't seen yet, Google announced that they will be closing
down Google Code. My only concern is that some niche projects used it
and that such code could be lost if not migrated to another service.
So if you have the time and know of a project that needs migration,
please do so. It is always sad to see open source code (no matter how
old) simply lost.


I was just about to start using it for something. Now I've got to start 
looking for an acceptable alternative- preferably one that operates by 
European rules rather than American ones.


What do you mean by this ? How would these rules differ ?
I wasn't aware that rules existed ? :)

Michael.
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Re: [fpc-pascal] Google Code closing downt

2015-03-14 Thread Marco van de Voort
In our previous episode, Graeme Geldenhuys said:
 On 2015-03-14 11:38, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
  [Sigh] I feel like I'm being pushed onto git rather than Subversion.
 
 Then don't resist it. As 99% of developers would tell you, Git is simply
 the better product. [Graeme runs and hides :-P]

[Sigh]
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Re: [fpc-pascal] Google Code closing down

2015-03-14 Thread Jonas Maebe
Hi,

Please continue this discussion on fpc-other (and in the future, please
also start these kinds of discussions there instead of here).

Thanks.


Jonas
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Re: [fpc-pascal] Is the current stable release of FPC 2.6.4 or 3.0.1?

2015-03-14 Thread Sven Barth
Am 14.03.2015 10:58 schrieb Graeme Geldenhuys 
mailingli...@geldenhuys.co.uk:

 On 2015-03-14 09:10, vfclists . wrote:
  Does that mean the FPC 3.0  isn't actually a release version yet?

 Correct. The latest stable released version in still 2.6.4. The 3.0 code
 is in RC2 (for testing) I believe and should be released as 3.0 some
 time in the near future.

FPC 3.0.0 is still in pre-RC phase. Lazarus 1.4 is at RC2 ;)

Regards,
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Re: [fpc-pascal] Google Code closing down

2015-03-14 Thread tonyp

Try Fossil (http://fossil-scm.org).  It's based on your own rules :)

-Original Message- 
From: Mark Morgan Lloyd 
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2015 12:39 PM 
To: fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org 
Subject: Re: [fpc-pascal] Google Code closing down 

I was just about to start using it for something. Now I've got to start 
looking for an acceptable alternative- preferably one that operates by 
European rules rather than American ones.


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Mark Morgan Lloyd
markMLl .AT. telemetry.co .DOT. uk

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