Re: [fpc-pascal] Can fpc 3.0 release be installed using apt-get on Linux Mint?

[Jonas Maebe]

Bo Berglund wrote:

But now I see that further down there is a section AMD64/x86_64, which
I did not use since it said AMD. But apparently that is the one for 64
bit. Sigh!


I've added "Intel 64" to that list, which is the name that Intel uses. 
Both AMD64 and x86_64 are names for the architecture though (unrelated 
to the processor brand), while "Intel 64" is Intel's own brand name for 
that architecture.



So how do I get rid of the erroneous fpc? I have no idea at all what
the install.sh script did so I can revert it


You don't have to. If you install the x86_64 version on top of it, it 
will become the new default. The i386 compiler will still be available 
via ppc386 and "fpc -Pi386".



But, should not the 32 bit compiler work also in my Linux Mint 17
machine? Even though it has an Intel 64 bit CPU...


The compiler works. The problem you got was caused by not having 32 bit 
versions of other development packages installed.



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Re: [fpc-pascal] Can fpc 3.0 release be installed using apt-get on Linux Mint?

[Bo Berglund]

On Tue, 08 Dec 2015 09:14:08 +0100, Jonas Maebe
 wrote:

>> So how do I get rid of the erroneous fpc? I have no idea at all what
>> the install.sh script did so I can revert it
>
>You don't have to. If you install the x86_64 version on top of it, it 
>will become the new default. The i386 compiler will still be available 
>via ppc386 and "fpc -Pi386".

Thanks, I downloaded the x64 tar file instead and extracted it in
parallel to the i386 one in the Downloads directory, then entered the
dir and commanded:
sudo sh install.sh

And it worked fine. FPC is now the x64 version.

Then I returned to the Lazarus folder where I had checked out
lazarus_1_6_RC1 and issued make bigide.

Now there were some warnings like this:
/usr/bin/ld: warning: ../link.res contains output sections; did you
forget -T?
But it did finish without errors.

When I type in ./startlazarus on the command line Lazarus seems to
start up OK, but then it displays the "Configure Lazarus IDE" dialog
box where it asks for the path to fpc sources...

But I have no idea where the sources were placed by the "very big with
everything" file I downloaded to install fpc x64 version...

I assume the install.sh script has put the sources somewhere on the
disk, for example below /usr/local, but I am not Linux versed enough
to know how to find the exact location.

Could someone here please tell me where?


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Re: [fpc-pascal] Can fpc 3.0 release be installed using apt-get on Linux Mint?

[Jonas Maebe]

On 08/12/15 18:04, Bo Berglund wrote:

But I have no idea where the sources were placed by the "very big with
everything" file I downloaded to install fpc x64 version...


It does not install the sources. You can download them separately from 
http://www.freepascal.org/download.var (in the "Source" section). It's 
no installer, just an archive that you can unpack anywhere.



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Re: [fpc-pascal] Can fpc 3.0 release be installed using apt-get on Linux Mint?

[Bo Berglund]

On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 18:39:30 +0100, Jonas Maebe
 wrote:

>On 08/12/15 18:04, Bo Berglund wrote:
>> But I have no idea where the sources were placed by the "very big with
>> everything" file I downloaded to install fpc x64 version...
>
>It does not install the sources. You can download them separately from 
>http://www.freepascal.org/download.var (in the "Source" section). It's 
>no installer, just an archive that you can unpack anywhere.

Thanks,
that was the last piece of the puzzle.
Lazarus 1.6RC1 is now working with fpc 3.0.0 in my Linux Mint 17.2
Cinnamon machine!


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Re: [fpc-pascal] Can fpc 3.0 release be installed using apt-get on Linux Mint?

[Bo Berglund]

On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 00:21:28 +0100, Mattias Gaertner
 wrote:

>Are you sure you installed the right compiler?
>i386 <> x86_64, 32 vs 64bit.

Well I looked at the download page:
http://www.freepascal.org/download.var
and since my laptop has an Intel CPU I chose the one that said
Intel/i386...

But now I see that further down there is a section AMD64/x86_64, which
I did not use since it said AMD. But apparently that is the one for 64
bit. Sigh!
So how do I get rid of the erroneous fpc? I have no idea at all what
the install.sh script did so I can revert it
Is there an uninstall way? Here is where apt-get would have been good
since it has an uninstall function.

But, should not the 32 bit compiler work also in my Linux Mint 17
machine? Even though it has an Intel 64 bit CPU...


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[fpc-pascal] Can fpc 3.0 release be installed using apt-get on Linux Mint?

[Bo Berglund]

I have just created a VMWare virtual machine on my Win7 PC and
installed Linux Mint 17.2 Cinnamon in order to do some pascal
development.
I really do not want to build either fpc or lazarus myself, I just
want to use the released versions.

So is there a release 3.0 version available for Linux Mint 17 via
apt-get?
And if so what would be the correct command to get it?


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Re: [fpc-pascal] Can fpc 3.0 release be installed using apt-get on Linux Mint?

[Bo Berglund]

On Mon, 07 Dec 2015 20:10:22 +0100, Bo Berglund
 wrote:

>So is there a release 3.0 version available for Linux Mint 17 via
>apt-get?
>And if so what would be the correct command to get it?

I tried this:
sudo apt-get install fpc lazarus
It gathered info for a while, then asked if I wanted to continue.
When I looked at all the stuff it had printed on screen I found it was
about to install fpc compiler 2.6.2 and lazarus 1.0.10
So I aborted.

Is it so bad that new releases are no longer posted with current Linux
distributions?


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Re: [fpc-pascal] Can fpc 3.0 release be installed using apt-get on Linux Mint?

[Sven Barth]

Am 07.12.2015 20:18 schrieb "Bo Berglund" :
>
> On Mon, 07 Dec 2015 20:10:22 +0100, Bo Berglund
>  wrote:
>
> >So is there a release 3.0 version available for Linux Mint 17 via
> >apt-get?
> >And if so what would be the correct command to get it?
>
> I tried this:
> sudo apt-get install fpc lazarus
> It gathered info for a while, then asked if I wanted to continue.
> When I looked at all the stuff it had printed on screen I found it was
> about to install fpc compiler 2.6.2 and lazarus 1.0.10
> So I aborted.
>
> Is it so bad that new releases are no longer posted with current Linux
> distributions?

The distro packages are not provided by us, but by the distributions
themselves and if there's no maintainer for the packages won't be updated
to newer releases...

Regards,
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Re: [fpc-pascal] Can fpc 3.0 release be installed using apt-get on Linux Mint?

[Michael Van Canneyt]

On Mon, 7 Dec 2015, Bo Berglund wrote:


I have just created a VMWare virtual machine on my Win7 PC and
installed Linux Mint 17.2 Cinnamon in order to do some pascal
development.
I really do not want to build either fpc or lazarus myself, I just
want to use the released versions.

So is there a release 3.0 version available for Linux Mint 17 via
apt-get?

And if so what would be the correct command to get it?


No, none officially exists. There is a very old one, but it is not maintained.

I believe fpc 3.0 is in debian experimental, but it would be a very bad idea to 
use that in linux mint.

There is a command-line installer on the ftp site for fpc, after that you 
should build lazarus itself.

As it happens, I am currently writing an article on how to install lazarus on 
Linux mint 17.3 from zero.
It does describe compiling lazarus.

I can send it to you when it is finished.

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Re: [fpc-pascal] Can fpc 3.0 release be installed using apt-get on Linux Mint?

[Bo Berglund]

On Mon, 7 Dec 2015 20:27:12 +0100 (CET), Michael Van Canneyt
 wrote:

>There is a command-line installer on the ftp site for fpc, after that you 
>should build lazarus itself.
>
>As it happens, I am currently writing an article on how to install lazarus on 
>Linux mint 17.3 from zero.
>It does describe compiling lazarus.
>
>I can send it to you when it is finished.

Thanks, please do!
I bit the bullet and did the following, hopefully it is not way off
like my experiments on a Raspberry Pi2 were:

1) Went to http://www.freepascal.org/down/i386/linux-hungary.var 

2) Downloaded the "everything" file
ftp://ftp.hu.freepascal.org/pub/fpc/dist/3.0.0/i386-linux/fpc-3.0.0.i386-linux.tar

3) Extracted its contents to the Download dir

4) Then I entered the directory and issued the command:
sudo sh install.sh

5) During installation I was asked to select target and entered
/usr/local as I was told in another case some time ago.

6) Then I just replied Y to most of the questions and it installed
apparently just fine.
At least it responds to my fpc -h command...

Now I have to deal with Lazarus, but that is another list/forum...


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Re: [fpc-pascal] Can fpc 3.0 release be installed using apt-get on Linux Mint?

[Mattias Gaertner]

On Mon, 07 Dec 2015 21:52:35 +0100
Bo Berglund  wrote:

> On Mon, 7 Dec 2015 20:27:12 +0100 (CET), Michael Van Canneyt
>  wrote:
>[...]
> 1) Went to http://www.freepascal.org/down/i386/linux-hungary.var 
> 
> 2) Downloaded the "everything" file
> ftp://ftp.hu.freepascal.org/pub/fpc/dist/3.0.0/i386-linux/fpc-3.0.0.i386-linux.tar
> 
> 3) Extracted its contents to the Download dir
> 
> 4) Then I entered the directory and issued the command:
> sudo sh install.sh
> 
> 5) During installation I was asked to select target and entered
> /usr/local as I was told in another case some time ago.
> 
> 6) Then I just replied Y to most of the questions and it installed
> apparently just fine.
> At least it responds to my fpc -h command...

That is the right way.

As an alternative you can install the FPC 2.6.4 deb (e.g. from the
Lazarus site), then download the FPC 3.0.0 sources and 'make install'
them.

> Now I have to deal with Lazarus, but that is another list/forum...

Lazarus needs libgtk2.0-dev, which should automatically install
libgtk2.0-common.

Lazarus 1.6RC1 will be available soon and it provides deb
packages for FPC 3.0.0 and Lazarus.

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Re: [fpc-pascal] Can fpc 3.0 release be installed using apt-get on Linux Mint?

[Graeme Geldenhuys]

On 2015-12-07 20:52, Bo Berglund wrote:
> 
> 5) During installation I was asked to select target and entered
> /usr/local as I was told in another case some time ago.

The nice think of the command line installer, is that you can install to
your $HOME directory as well. You do not require root permissions.

> 
> Now I have to deal with Lazarus, but that is another list/forum...

Use Git or SubVersion to checkout whatever version you want. On the
Github mirror, via the website, you can download a ZIP archive of a
branch too.

The simply do:

   make ide
or
   make bigide

depending on how much you want included by default into Lazarus. Once
you have a Lazarus executable, then you can build a new lazarus from
inside Lazarus (eg: when installing new components etc).

Been doing this process for 5 years and it never failed me.


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Re: [fpc-pascal] Can fpc 3.0 release be installed using apt-get on Linux Mint?

[Graeme Geldenhuys]

On 2015-12-07 19:27, Michael Van Canneyt wrote:
> There is a command-line installer on the ftp site for fpc, after that
> you should build lazarus itself.


I've used this method for years under Linux, FreeBSD and Windows. It
always works, and is really simple and quick. I highly recommend this
installation option to everybody.


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Re: [fpc-pascal] Can fpc 3.0 release be installed using apt-get on Linux Mint?

[Michael Van Canneyt]

On Mon, 7 Dec 2015, Bo Berglund wrote:


On Mon, 7 Dec 2015 20:27:12 +0100 (CET), Michael Van Canneyt
 wrote:


There is a command-line installer on the ftp site for fpc, after that you 
should build lazarus itself.

As it happens, I am currently writing an article on how to install lazarus on 
Linux mint 17.3 from zero.
It does describe compiling lazarus.

I can send it to you when it is finished.


Thanks, please do!
I bit the bullet and did the following, hopefully it is not way off
like my experiments on a Raspberry Pi2 were:

1) Went to http://www.freepascal.org/down/i386/linux-hungary.var

2) Downloaded the "everything" file
ftp://ftp.hu.freepascal.org/pub/fpc/dist/3.0.0/i386-linux/fpc-3.0.0.i386-linux.tar

3) Extracted its contents to the Download dir

4) Then I entered the directory and issued the command:
sudo sh install.sh

5) During installation I was asked to select target and entered
/usr/local as I was told in another case some time ago.

6) Then I just replied Y to most of the questions and it installed
apparently just fine.
At least it responds to my fpc -h command...


This is the way to go. You don't need my article :-)



Now I have to deal with Lazarus, but that is another list/forum...


That should be pretty straightforward as well.

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Re: [fpc-pascal] Can fpc 3.0 release be installed using apt-get on Linux Mint?

[Bo Berglund]

On Mon, 7 Dec 2015 22:16:26 +0100, Mattias Gaertner
 wrote:

>> Now I have to deal with Lazarus, but that is another list/forum...
>
>Lazarus needs libgtk2.0-dev, which should automatically install
>libgtk2.0-common.

I looked into my Raspberry Pi2 install notes and found these
dependencies for Lazarus:

Get additional packages:

apt-get update
apt-get install -y libx11-dev libgdk-pixbuf2.0-dev libcairo2-dev
gir1.2-coglpango-1.0 libpangox-1.0-dev xorg-dev libgtk2.0-dev
libpango1.0-dev

Are most of these superfluous? Is it enough with libgtk2.0-dev?

Then concerning Lazarus itself:

Get the Lazarus sources: 

svn co http://svn.freepascal.org/svn/lazarus/trunk lazarus

I found that I really would like to run on some form of fairly stable
source, so what would be the correct tag to use in place of trunk?


>Lazarus 1.6RC1 will be available soon and it provides deb
>packages for FPC 3.0.0 and Lazarus.
>

Will there be a tar package like for fpc or should I go for an svn
checkout?
Is there an RC tag for Lazarus?


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Re: [fpc-pascal] Can fpc 3.0 release be installed using apt-get on Linux Mint?

[Mattias Gaertner]

On Mon, 07 Dec 2015 23:15:50 +0100
Bo Berglund  wrote:

> On Mon, 7 Dec 2015 22:16:26 +0100, Mattias Gaertner
>  wrote:
> 
> >> Now I have to deal with Lazarus, but that is another list/forum...
> >
> >Lazarus needs libgtk2.0-dev, which should automatically install
> >libgtk2.0-common.
> 
> I looked into my Raspberry Pi2 install notes and found these
> dependencies for Lazarus:
> 
> Get additional packages:
> 
> apt-get update
> apt-get install -y libx11-dev libgdk-pixbuf2.0-dev libcairo2-dev
> gir1.2-coglpango-1.0 libpangox-1.0-dev xorg-dev libgtk2.0-dev
> libpango1.0-dev
> 
> Are most of these superfluous? Is it enough with libgtk2.0-dev?

I have not tried on Linux-Mint.
Can you test?
If building Lazarus fails with a linker error you will see what lib is
missing.


> Will there be a tar package like for fpc

No.
Building Lazarus is easy (make all). The tricky part is helping the
user to install the required libraries.
If someone provides a script that checks the common distros and
maintains the script I would build such a tar.


> or should I go for an svn checkout?

I recommend that. This makes upgrading easy.

> Is there an RC tag for Lazarus?

Many. For example:
http://svn.freepascal.org/svn/lazarus/tags/lazarus_1_6_RC1

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Re: [fpc-pascal] Can fpc 3.0 release be installed using apt-get on Linux Mint?

[Jonas Maebe]

Michael Van Canneyt wrote:

I believe fpc 3.0 is in debian experimental, but it would be a very bad
idea to use that in linux mint.


If you limit yourself to just using FPC from Debian experimental, I 
don't think there's much that can go wrong.



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Re: [fpc-pascal] Can fpc 3.0 release be installed using apt-get on Linux Mint?

[Bo Berglund]

On Mon, 7 Dec 2015 23:35:05 +0100, Mattias Gaertner
 wrote:

>> apt-get update
>> apt-get install -y libx11-dev libgdk-pixbuf2.0-dev libcairo2-dev
>> gir1.2-coglpango-1.0 libpangox-1.0-dev xorg-dev libgtk2.0-dev
>> libpango1.0-dev
>> 
>> Are most of these superfluous? Is it enough with libgtk2.0-dev?
>
>I have not tried on Linux-Mint.
>Can you test?

I did as follows:
sudo apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev

It pulled no less than 73 different packages

>
>> Is there an RC tag for Lazarus?
>
>Many. For example:
>http://svn.freepascal.org/svn/lazarus/tags/lazarus_1_6_RC1
>
Thanks,
I will go with that tag.


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Re: [fpc-pascal] Can fpc 3.0 release be installed using apt-get on Linux Mint?

[Bo Berglund]

On Mon, 07 Dec 2015 23:47:36 +0100, Bo Berglund
 wrote:

>On Mon, 7 Dec 2015 23:35:05 +0100, Mattias Gaertner
> wrote:
>
>>> apt-get update
>>> apt-get install -y libx11-dev libgdk-pixbuf2.0-dev libcairo2-dev
>>> gir1.2-coglpango-1.0 libpangox-1.0-dev xorg-dev libgtk2.0-dev
>>> libpango1.0-dev
>>> 
>>> Are most of these superfluous? Is it enough with libgtk2.0-dev?
>>
>>I have not tried on Linux-Mint.
>>Can you test?
>
>I did as follows:
>sudo apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev
>
>It pulled no less than 73 different packages
>
>>
>>> Is there an RC tag for Lazarus?
>>
>>Many. For example:
>>http://svn.freepascal.org/svn/lazarus/tags/lazarus_1_6_RC1
>>
>Thanks,
>I will go with that tag.

I checked out the tag above and compiled.
Unfortunately make bigide took 18s to end in an error:

Target OS: Linux for i386
Compiling lazres.pp
Linking ./lazres
Warning: "crti.o" not found, this will probably cause a linking
failure
Warning: "crtn.o" not found, this will probably cause a linking
failure
/usr/bin/ld: warning: ./link.res contains output sections; did you
forget -T?
/usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible
/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.8/crtbegin.o when searching for
/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.8/crtbegin.o
/usr/bin/ld: cannot find /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.8/crtbegin.o
/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -ldl
/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lc
Error: Error while linking
Fatal: There were 1 errors compiling module, stopping
Fatal: Compilation aborted

So what is causing this? A missing library perhaps?

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Re: [fpc-pascal] Can fpc 3.0 release be installed using apt-get on Linux Mint?

[Mattias Gaertner]

On Mon, 07 Dec 2015 23:36:17 +0100
Jonas Maebe  wrote:

> Michael Van Canneyt wrote:
> > I believe fpc 3.0 is in debian experimental, but it would be a very bad
> > idea to use that in linux mint.
> 
> If you limit yourself to just using FPC from Debian experimental, I 
> don't think there's much that can go wrong.

That's probably true, but you are mixing a Debian repository with
Ubuntu/Linux Mint/etc repository, which gives warnings and anyone you
are asking for help will tell you that it is a bad idea.


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Re: [fpc-pascal] Can fpc 3.0 release be installed using apt-get on Linux Mint?

[Mattias Gaertner]

On Mon, 07 Dec 2015 23:47:36 +0100
Bo Berglund  wrote:

>[...]
> >I have not tried on Linux-Mint.
> >Can you test?
> 
> I did as follows:
> sudo apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev
> 
> It pulled no less than 73 different packages

Debian is great at splitting packages into smaller packages.

Does Lazarus link with those packages?

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Re: [fpc-pascal] Can fpc 3.0 release be installed using apt-get on Linux Mint?

[Mattias Gaertner]

On Mon, 07 Dec 2015 23:56:56 +0100
Bo Berglund  wrote:

>[...]
> Target OS: Linux for i386
> Compiling lazres.pp
> Linking ./lazres
> Warning: "crti.o" not found, this will probably cause a linking
> failure
> Warning: "crtn.o" not found, this will probably cause a linking
> failure
> /usr/bin/ld: warning: ./link.res contains output sections; did you
> forget -T?
> /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible
> /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.8/crtbegin.o when searching for
> /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.8/crtbegin.o
> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.8/crtbegin.o

Are you sure you installed the right compiler?
i386 <> x86_64, 32 vs 64bit.

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Re: [fpc-pascal] Can fpc 3.0 release be installed using apt-get on Linux Mint?

[Mattias Gaertner]

On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 00:21:28 +0100
Mattias Gaertner  wrote:

> On Mon, 07 Dec 2015 23:56:56 +0100
> Bo Berglund  wrote:
> 
> >[...]
> > Target OS: Linux for i386
> > Compiling lazres.pp
> > Linking ./lazres
> > Warning: "crti.o" not found, this will probably cause a linking
> > failure
> > Warning: "crtn.o" not found, this will probably cause a linking
> > failure
> > /usr/bin/ld: warning: ./link.res contains output sections; did you
> > forget -T?
> > /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible
> > /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.8/crtbegin.o when searching for
> > /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.8/crtbegin.o
> > /usr/bin/ld: cannot find /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.8/crtbegin.o
> 
> Are you sure you installed the right compiler?
> i386 <> x86_64, 32 vs 64bit.

I tried Linux Mint 17.3 64bit. After installing fpc x86_64 tar and
libgtk2.0-dev, Lazarus builds fine.

Mattias
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Re: [fpc-pascal] Can fpc 3.0 release be installed using apt-get on Linux Mint?

[Anthony Walter]

OR

You can goto http://www.getlazarus.org/setup
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