Removing extraneous color channel information

[Steve Rickaby]

David, thanks for thinking about this.

At 08:39 -0800 15/12/11, David Creamer wrote:

>OmniGraffle is the problem (as far as your issue is concerned). Like most
>business-related programs, it works in RGB. Its drop shadows are RGB and 
>pixel-based, so Illustrator can convert the RGB to CMYK, but it can't change a 
>the resulting CMYK shadow to grayscale/K-only shadow.

A, I see. Oh. Pity I didn't know that back at the beginning. OmniG was the 
author's choice: he did his own diagrams.

>The easiest thing to do is upgrade to a newer version of Acrobat. You can
>convert the entire document to grayscale, removing the CMY seps.
>(I don't remember if version 6 can do that or not--it has been too long
>since I used that version.)

I looked for this sort of option, but could not find it.

Trouble is, I'm locked to 10.4.11 by FrameMaker, at present at least, so 
upgrades are becoming problematic.

I can't just remove the CMY, I need to map them onto the K. Would a more recent 
version of Acrobat do this? If so, I can maybe find someone who has one and can 
do the one-shot conversion of the pre-press file with it?

>PDF/X-3 will not solve your problem as it does not convert color.

No, I wasn't looking for it as a solution to that, but merely as a recognisable 
standard for the printers. I'm still trying to find out if they can do the CMY 
-> K shift.

>As an aside, I would either make a commitment to FrameMaker or to the Mac.
>If FrameMaker--get a Windows computer, run Boot Camp on the Mac, or get
>Parallels (or similar program) to run Windows on your Mac.
>For the latter two, you may need a newer Mac, especially for the last
>option. Then upgrade FrameMaker and Acrobat.

You give good advice, but not something I can do when faced with a deadline. 
That's my long-term plan, for sure. My commitment to FrameMaker is absolute and 
goes back to v 3, 1992.

>If you want to say strictly Mac, consider using InDesign (and still upgrade
>Acrobat).

I do use InDesign as well, but not for textbooks. InDesign's ink manager allows 
you to do this sort of thing inside the app.

Thanks for clarifying the issues.
-- 
Steve

Re: icons on new Macs

[gr...@hedgewizard.net]

Alternatively, you could extract the FM icon from the FM DLL, (or screencap it)
save it as a graphic, and then assign that graphic for the link in Snow
Leopard
 
Grant
 


On December 14, 2011 at 4:31 PM Scott Turner  wrote:

> Can't without an pperable copy of Frame. If you are running Frame in boot camp
> or a virtualization program then the icons might appear, otherwise you need to
> assign a system icon to the files. Candy Bar might work. It would require a
> little graphic work though.
>
> http://panic.com/candybar/
>
> Scott
>
> On Dec 14, 2011, at 12:31 PM, Graeme R Forbes 
> wrote:
>
> > Does anyone know how to get FM7 (and earlier) document icons to appear on
> > the desktop on Macs without Classic? On my new intel iMac running Snow
> > Leopard I see that the icons for some OS9 apps like PageMill appear
> > correctly, but all I get for FrameMaker docs is an ugly generic icon.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Graeme Forbes___


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[Steve Rickaby]

At 11:31 -0700 14/12/11, Graeme R Forbes wrote:

>Does anyone know how to get FM7 (and earlier) document icons to appear on the 
>desktop on Macs without Classic? On my new intel iMac running Snow Leopard I 
>see that the icons for some OS9 apps like PageMill appear correctly, but all I 
>get for FrameMaker docs is an ugly generic icon.

Someone closer to this setup than me writes...

At 06:39 -0700 15/12/11, Helen Garfinkle wrote:

>I don't work in Snow Leopard but in 10.5.8, I see a FrameMaker icon of a white 
>page with the upper right corner turned, and a big FM in a gold/orange square. 
>I don't know if that's ugly generic or not. Sorry I can't be more help.

-- 
Steve

icons on new Macs

[gr...@hedgewizard.net]

Alternatively, you could extract the FM icon from the FM DLL, (or screencap it)
save it as a graphic, and then assign that graphic for the link in Snow
Leopard
?
Grant
?


On December 14, 2011 at 4:31 PM Scott Turner  wrote:

> Can't without an pperable copy of Frame. If you are running Frame in boot camp
> or a virtualization program then the icons might appear, otherwise you need to
> assign a system icon to the files. Candy Bar might work. It would require a
> little graphic work though.
>
> http://panic.com/candybar/
>
> Scott
>
> On Dec 14, 2011, at 12:31 PM, Graeme R Forbes 
> wrote:
>
> > Does anyone know how to get FM7 (and earlier) document icons to appear on
> > the desktop on Macs without Classic? On my new intel iMac running Snow
> > Leopard I see that the icons for some OS9 apps like PageMill appear
> > correctly, but all I get for FrameMaker docs is an ugly generic icon.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Graeme Forbes
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Removing extraneous color channel information

[Steve Rickaby]

At 15:24 -0800 14/12/11, David Creamer wrote:

>Where did you create the drop shadows? In AI?

Author's graphics, done in OmniGraffle on Mac.

>What format did you save the AI files as?

PDF.

>What were your PDF settings?

If you mean from Illustrator, as in PDFX/1 etc, none. If you mean Distiller, 
print quality standard but I'm working towards PDF/X-3.

>What version of Acrobat Pro do you have?

6

>(I noticed you are using Distiller 6--is your Acrobat the same version?)

Yes

-- 
Steve

AW: Question about Finalyzer

[Georg Eck]

Free:

- Module: Formats  

   Contains:  It is used either for deleting all currently unused or all
formats in a catalog, 
or to insert all the new paragraph formats/character formats in the
active document's catalog

  - paragraph formats

  - character formats

  - table formats

  - variables

  - colors



More about see help:
http://www.finalyser.com/help/#page/FN10EN-Reverb/Formate.xml.06.1.html



-  GEorg

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Frame 9 - setting specific graphic sizes in dita xml jobs

[Pattie Alsop]

DITA Data is coming in directly from a content management system. We are trying 
to use FrameMaker as the authoring/editing tool, and the final deliverable 
would be PDF.
Legacy data is the issue, when it comes into frame all graphics are built as 1 
column wide, but they are not scaled to fit within the graphic block.

I don?t know if the best way to control it is through the EDD or read/write 
rules.

If I can?t get this to work soon they will go with another xml edit tool.

-Pattie


From: Writer [mailto:generic...@yahoo.ca]
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 4:52 PM
To: Pattie Alsop; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Frame 9 - setting specific graphic sizes in dita xml jobs

What kind of output are you creating? What applications are you using to create 
your output?

Nadine


From: Pattie Alsop mailto:pal...@tweddle.com>>
To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com>" 
mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 1:52:28 PM
Subject: Frame 9 - setting specific graphic sizes in dita xml jobs
Hello all,

I?m relatively new to Frame 9.  I have worked in previous versions but that was 
quite a few years ago.

My problem is this:
DITA XML Job.

EDD has entries for Figure and Image tags.
Ex: Image ?
in all contexts
insert imported graphic file

My page layout is landscape, 3 columns, so when this file opens in Frame, the 
graphic  is cut off because it should display across the page, and not just in 
one column.

I need to be able to control the object properties(?) based on the image width 
attribute.
I have 3 different possible width values, 1 column, 2 column, and 3 columns 
wide.

How do I achieve that?

Any help is greatly appreciated.

-Pattie

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Re: Error Due to missing tag

[Michael Pearson]

Hi Brenda,

You may have done this and not mentioned it, but if you haven't, you need
to import the modified EDD rules into your template file. Maybe that's the
issue?

HTH,
Mike

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 8:33 AM, George, Brenda (CAI) <
bgeo...@federatedinv.com> wrote:

>  I am encountering these error messages when I flow an xml file into
> Structured FrameMaker 8:
>
>
> Internal Error: 8004, 6345644, 8487696, 0
>
> and
>
> ** **
>
> Adobe FrameMaker (Structured): FrameMaker.exe – Application Error:
> The instruction at “0x00cc1940” referenced memory at “0x”. The
> memory could not be read.
>
>
> I have located the problem in the xml markup. The errors are due to a
> missing  tag within an element named .
> If I place a  tag in the markup the xml flows without problems.
> I have tried to modify the DTD and the EDD holdings declaration so that the
> subhead element is optional within holdings. I have tried a number of
> different declarations. None of them seem to be working. 
>
> ** **
>
> The declarations currently are set like this:
>
> The DTD declaration is this:
> 
>
> ** **
>
> The EDD declaration is this:
> Element (Container): holdings
> General rule: (mainhead, (subhead?)*, (table*))*
>
> ** **
>
> It is still throwing these errors for the holdings markup that does not
> include a subhead tag.
>
> ** **
>
> Recently a dll file called “Marketing.dll” was updated and replaced the
> previous Marketing.dll file. When I flow the xml using this revised dll
> file it throws the error. When I flow the data using the previous dll file
> it does not throw the error. 
>
> ** **
>
> Can this problem be resolved by modifying the holdings declarations in the
> DTD and EDD, or is the problem tied into the revised dll file?
>
> ** **
>
> Brenda George
>
> Desk: (724) 720-8491
>
> bgeo...@federatedinv.com
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RE: Frame 9 - setting specific graphic sizes in dita xml jobs

[Pattie Alsop]

DITA Data is coming in directly from a content management system. We are trying 
to use FrameMaker as the authoring/editing tool, and the final deliverable 
would be PDF.
Legacy data is the issue, when it comes into frame all graphics are built as 1 
column wide, but they are not scaled to fit within the graphic block.

I don’t know if the best way to control it is through the EDD or read/write 
rules.

If I can’t get this to work soon they will go with another xml edit tool.

-Pattie


From: Writer [mailto:generic...@yahoo.ca]
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 4:52 PM
To: Pattie Alsop; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Frame 9 - setting specific graphic sizes in dita xml jobs

What kind of output are you creating? What applications are you using to create 
your output?

Nadine


From: Pattie Alsop mailto:pal...@tweddle.com>>
To: "framers@lists.frameusers.com" 
mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 1:52:28 PM
Subject: Frame 9 - setting specific graphic sizes in dita xml jobs
Hello all,

I’m relatively new to Frame 9.  I have worked in previous versions but that was 
quite a few years ago.

My problem is this:
DITA XML Job.

EDD has entries for Figure and Image tags.
Ex: Image …
in all contexts
insert imported graphic file

My page layout is landscape, 3 columns, so when this file opens in Frame, the 
graphic  is cut off because it should display across the page, and not just in 
one column.

I need to be able to control the object properties(?) based on the image width 
attribute.
I have 3 different possible width values, 1 column, 2 column, and 3 columns 
wide.

How do I achieve that?

Any help is greatly appreciated.

-Pattie

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RE: SGML, MIL-STD-38784

[Hassen, Vincen D CTR USAF AFMC OC-ALC/GKBLC]

With Arbortext, you would need to ensure you purchased Arbortext Print
Composer or "Arbortext Advanced Print Publisher" as I think it is now
called.  

Arbortext Editor alone will not provide the required PDF output.


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Technical Data & Software Systems, Oklahoma City
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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Ian Proudfoot
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 6:53 AM
To: 'Stuart Rogers'; Framers@lists.frameusers.com
Cc: guy.b...@ts.eads-na.com
Subject: RE: SGML, MIL-STD-38784

Hello Guy
I have developed several MIL-STD applications for FrameMaker.

If the requirement is to deliver only MIL-STD-38784 compliant SGML
instances, then the choice of editing software does include FrameMaker,
Arbortext and any other SGML aware application. If you also have to
deliver
formatted output such as PDFs or even paper masters, then the choice is
slightly different. 

A FrameMaker SGML application for MIL-STD-38784 would give you a really
nice
editing environment and top quality formatted output. However, that
would
need to be developed for you by a suitably experienced FrameMaker
developer.
I am not aware of any ready-to-run commercial 38784 FrameMaker
applications.

With Arbortext the situation is different. The FOSIs that provide the
formatted output are freely available here:
https://pubsweb.redstone.army.mil/DTD-FOSI/38784-dtd.html 

Personally, I have used both, but would always choose FrameMaker over
Arbortext...

I hope this helps.

Best regards
Ian Proudfoot



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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Rogers
Sent: 13 December 2011 20:24
To: Framers@lists.frameusers.com
Cc: guy.b...@ts.eads-na.com
Subject: SGML, MIL-STD-38784

Guy Ball is in the STC's SIG for lone writers (as am I), and has posted 
a question to the SIG's list:

"I have a DOD proposal my company is bidding on and one of the tech
manual requirements is to "develop TO files (tagged instances) using
SGML according to the DTDs (Document Type Definitions) referenced in the
appendix to MIL-STD-38784... Does anyone know what sorts of animal I'm 
supposed to be delivering and what program I'll use to make that
happen?"


I'm pretty sure I've seen people on this FM list discussing MIL-STD 
matters, so after I offered to post here, he replied:

"I'm not on the FM users group and would appreciate your posting a
message for me.  I've seen various references to Arbortext vs FM and I'd
love to hear from someone who uses FM for mil-std SGML type
documentation."

If anyone can help Guy, please get in touch with him:

Guy Ball
Senior Technical Writer, Engineering Department
EADS North America Test and Services
4 Goodyear
Irvine, California 92618 USA
1 949 460-2491
guy.b...@ts.eads-na.com


Thanks and best regards,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3
Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

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RE: Removing extraneous color channel information

[David Creamer]

I still have the old Mac version of Frame, but I don't even have a Mac that
can run it! 

I can convert the PDF for you. I will send you a link off-line for
Minus.com. They allow very large file uploads for free.


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-Original Message-
From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk] 
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 9:05 AM
To: David Creamer; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Removing extraneous color channel information
Importance: High

David, thanks for thinking about this.

At 08:39 -0800 15/12/11, David Creamer wrote:

>OmniGraffle is the problem (as far as your issue is concerned). Like 
>most business-related programs, it works in RGB. Its drop shadows are RGB
and pixel-based, so Illustrator can convert the RGB to CMYK, but it can't
change a the resulting CMYK shadow to grayscale/K-only shadow.

A, I see. Oh. Pity I didn't know that back at the beginning. OmniG was the
author's choice: he did his own diagrams.

>The easiest thing to do is upgrade to a newer version of Acrobat. You 
>can convert the entire document to grayscale, removing the CMY seps.
>(I don't remember if version 6 can do that or not--it has been too long 
>since I used that version.)

I looked for this sort of option, but could not find it.

Trouble is, I'm locked to 10.4.11 by FrameMaker, at present at least, so
upgrades are becoming problematic.

I can't just remove the CMY, I need to map them onto the K. Would a more
recent version of Acrobat do this? If so, I can maybe find someone who has
one and can do the one-shot conversion of the pre-press file with it?

>PDF/X-3 will not solve your problem as it does not convert color.

No, I wasn't looking for it as a solution to that, but merely as a
recognisable standard for the printers. I'm still trying to find out if they
can do the CMY -> K shift.

>As an aside, I would either make a commitment to FrameMaker or to the Mac.
>If FrameMaker--get a Windows computer, run Boot Camp on the Mac, or get 
>Parallels (or similar program) to run Windows on your Mac.
>For the latter two, you may need a newer Mac, especially for the last 
>option. Then upgrade FrameMaker and Acrobat.

You give good advice, but not something I can do when faced with a deadline.
That's my long-term plan, for sure. My commitment to FrameMaker is absolute
and goes back to v 3, 1992.

>If you want to say strictly Mac, consider using InDesign (and still 
>upgrade Acrobat).

I do use InDesign as well, but not for textbooks. InDesign's ink manager
allows you to do this sort of thing inside the app.

Thanks for clarifying the issues.
--
Steve

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Removing extraneous color channel information

[David Creamer]

I still have the old Mac version of Frame, but I don't even have a Mac that
can run it! 

I can convert the PDF for you. I will send you a link off-line for
Minus.com. They allow very large file uploads for free.


David Creamer
IDEAS Training
http://www.ideastraining.com
Adobe Authorized Instructor & Certified Expert since 1995
Authorized QuarkXPress Instructor and Certified Expert since 1988



-Original Message-
From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk] 
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 9:05 AM
To: David Creamer; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Removing extraneous color channel information
Importance: High

David, thanks for thinking about this.

At 08:39 -0800 15/12/11, David Creamer wrote:

>OmniGraffle is the problem (as far as your issue is concerned). Like 
>most business-related programs, it works in RGB. Its drop shadows are RGB
and pixel-based, so Illustrator can convert the RGB to CMYK, but it can't
change a the resulting CMYK shadow to grayscale/K-only shadow.

A, I see. Oh. Pity I didn't know that back at the beginning. OmniG was the
author's choice: he did his own diagrams.

>The easiest thing to do is upgrade to a newer version of Acrobat. You 
>can convert the entire document to grayscale, removing the CMY seps.
>(I don't remember if version 6 can do that or not--it has been too long 
>since I used that version.)

I looked for this sort of option, but could not find it.

Trouble is, I'm locked to 10.4.11 by FrameMaker, at present at least, so
upgrades are becoming problematic.

I can't just remove the CMY, I need to map them onto the K. Would a more
recent version of Acrobat do this? If so, I can maybe find someone who has
one and can do the one-shot conversion of the pre-press file with it?

>PDF/X-3 will not solve your problem as it does not convert color.

No, I wasn't looking for it as a solution to that, but merely as a
recognisable standard for the printers. I'm still trying to find out if they
can do the CMY -> K shift.

>As an aside, I would either make a commitment to FrameMaker or to the Mac.
>If FrameMaker--get a Windows computer, run Boot Camp on the Mac, or get 
>Parallels (or similar program) to run Windows on your Mac.
>For the latter two, you may need a newer Mac, especially for the last 
>option. Then upgrade FrameMaker and Acrobat.

You give good advice, but not something I can do when faced with a deadline.
That's my long-term plan, for sure. My commitment to FrameMaker is absolute
and goes back to v 3, 1992.

>If you want to say strictly Mac, consider using InDesign (and still 
>upgrade Acrobat).

I do use InDesign as well, but not for textbooks. InDesign's ink manager
allows you to do this sort of thing inside the app.

Thanks for clarifying the issues.
--
Steve

Error Due to missing tag

[George, Brenda (CAI)]

I am encountering these error messages when I flow an xml file into Structured 
FrameMaker 8:

Internal Error: 8004, 6345644, 8487696, 0

and

Adobe FrameMaker (Structured): FrameMaker.exe - Application Error:
The instruction at "0x00cc1940" referenced memory at "0x". The memory 
could not be read.

I have located the problem in the xml markup. The errors are due to a missing 
 tag within an element named .
If I place a  tag in the markup the xml flows without problems. I 
have tried to modify the DTD and the EDD holdings declaration so that the 
subhead element is optional within holdings. I have tried a number of different 
declarations. None of them seem to be working.

The declarations currently are set like this:
The DTD declaration is this:


The EDD declaration is this:
Element (Container): holdings
General rule: (mainhead, (subhead?)*, (table*))*

It is still throwing these errors for the holdings markup that does not include 
a subhead tag.

Recently a dll file called "Marketing.dll" was updated and replaced the 
previous Marketing.dll file. When I flow the xml using this revised dll file it 
throws the error. When I flow the data using the previous dll file it does not 
throw the error.

Can this problem be resolved by modifying the holdings declarations in the DTD 
and EDD, or is the problem tied into the revised dll file?

Brenda George
Desk: (724) 720-8491
bgeorge at federatedinv.com

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Re: icons on new Macs

[Karen Robbins]

What do you mean by "generic"? The orange "FM" block on a white 
document (possibly with two red lines if you're using Parallels)? 
What does the v7 icon look like--my v7 documents show up as v9 even 
in Windows, and those icons don't display any version identifier


Curious,
Karen Robbins


Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 11:31:40 -0700
From: Graeme R Forbes 
To: framers 
Cc: Graeme gf 
Subject: icons on new Macs
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed

Does anyone know how to get FM7 (and earlier) document icons to 
appear on the desktop on Macs without Classic? On my new intel iMac 
running Snow Leopard I see that the icons for some OS9 apps like 
PageMill appear correctly, but all I get for FrameMaker docs is an 
ugly generic icon.


Thanks,
Graeme Forbes

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[Karen Robbins]

What do you mean by "generic"? The orange "FM" block on a white 
document (possibly with two red lines if you're using Parallels)? 
What does the v7 icon look like--my v7 documents show up as v9 even 
in Windows, and those icons don't display any version identifier

Curious,
Karen Robbins

>Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 11:31:40 -0700
>From: Graeme R Forbes 
>To: framers 
>Cc: Graeme gf 
>Subject: icons on new Macs
>Message-ID: 
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
>
>Does anyone know how to get FM7 (and earlier) document icons to 
>appear on the desktop on Macs without Classic? On my new intel iMac 
>running Snow Leopard I see that the icons for some OS9 apps like 
>PageMill appear correctly, but all I get for FrameMaker docs is an 
>ugly generic icon.
>
>Thanks,
>Graeme Forbes

RE: Removing extraneous color channel information

[Steve Rickaby]

David, thanks for thinking about this.

At 08:39 -0800 15/12/11, David Creamer wrote:

>OmniGraffle is the problem (as far as your issue is concerned). Like most
>business-related programs, it works in RGB. Its drop shadows are RGB and 
>pixel-based, so Illustrator can convert the RGB to CMYK, but it can't change a 
>the resulting CMYK shadow to grayscale/K-only shadow.

A, I see. Oh. Pity I didn't know that back at the beginning. OmniG was the 
author's choice: he did his own diagrams.

>The easiest thing to do is upgrade to a newer version of Acrobat. You can
>convert the entire document to grayscale, removing the CMY seps.
>(I don't remember if version 6 can do that or not--it has been too long
>since I used that version.)

I looked for this sort of option, but could not find it.

Trouble is, I'm locked to 10.4.11 by FrameMaker, at present at least, so 
upgrades are becoming problematic.

I can't just remove the CMY, I need to map them onto the K. Would a more recent 
version of Acrobat do this? If so, I can maybe find someone who has one and can 
do the one-shot conversion of the pre-press file with it?

>PDF/X-3 will not solve your problem as it does not convert color.

No, I wasn't looking for it as a solution to that, but merely as a recognisable 
standard for the printers. I'm still trying to find out if they can do the CMY 
-> K shift.

>As an aside, I would either make a commitment to FrameMaker or to the Mac.
>If FrameMaker--get a Windows computer, run Boot Camp on the Mac, or get
>Parallels (or similar program) to run Windows on your Mac.
>For the latter two, you may need a newer Mac, especially for the last
>option. Then upgrade FrameMaker and Acrobat.

You give good advice, but not something I can do when faced with a deadline. 
That's my long-term plan, for sure. My commitment to FrameMaker is absolute and 
goes back to v 3, 1992.

>If you want to say strictly Mac, consider using InDesign (and still upgrade
>Acrobat).

I do use InDesign as well, but not for textbooks. InDesign's ink manager allows 
you to do this sort of thing inside the app.

Thanks for clarifying the issues.
-- 
Steve
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RE: Removing extraneous color channel information

[David Creamer]

OmniGraffle is the problem (as far as your issue is concerned). Like most
business-related programs, it works in RGB.
Its drop shadows are RGB and pixel-based, so Illustrator can convert the RGB
to CMYK, but it can't change a the resulting CMYK shadow to grayscale/K-only
shadow.

The easiest thing to do is upgrade to a newer version of Acrobat. You can
convert the entire document to grayscale, removing the CMY seps.
(I don't remember if version 6 can do that or not--it has been too long
since I used that version.)

PDF/X-3 will not solve your problem as it does not convert color. 

As an aside, I would either make a commitment to FrameMaker or to the Mac.
If FrameMaker--get a Windows computer, run Boot Camp on the Mac, or get
Parallels (or similar program) to run Windows on your Mac.
For the latter two, you may need a newer Mac, especially for the last
option. Then upgrade FrameMaker and Acrobat.

If you want to say strictly Mac, consider using InDesign (and still upgrade
Acrobat).


David Creamer
IDEAS Training
http://www.ideastraining.com
Adobe Authorized Instructor & Certified Expert since 1995
Authorized QuarkXPress Instructor and Certified Expert since 1988



-Original Message-
From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk] 
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 5:29 AM
To: David Creamer
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Removing extraneous color channel information
Importance: High

At 15:24 -0800 14/12/11, David Creamer wrote:

>Where did you create the drop shadows? In AI?

Author's graphics, done in OmniGraffle on Mac.

>What format did you save the AI files as?

PDF.

>What were your PDF settings?

If you mean from Illustrator, as in PDFX/1 etc, none. If you mean Distiller,
print quality standard but I'm working towards PDF/X-3.

>What version of Acrobat Pro do you have?

6

>(I noticed you are using Distiller 6--is your Acrobat the same version?)

Yes

-- 
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Removing extraneous color channel information

[David Creamer]

OmniGraffle is the problem (as far as your issue is concerned). Like most
business-related programs, it works in RGB.
Its drop shadows are RGB and pixel-based, so Illustrator can convert the RGB
to CMYK, but it can't change a the resulting CMYK shadow to grayscale/K-only
shadow.

The easiest thing to do is upgrade to a newer version of Acrobat. You can
convert the entire document to grayscale, removing the CMY seps.
(I don't remember if version 6 can do that or not--it has been too long
since I used that version.)

PDF/X-3 will not solve your problem as it does not convert color. 

As an aside, I would either make a commitment to FrameMaker or to the Mac.
If FrameMaker--get a Windows computer, run Boot Camp on the Mac, or get
Parallels (or similar program) to run Windows on your Mac.
For the latter two, you may need a newer Mac, especially for the last
option. Then upgrade FrameMaker and Acrobat.

If you want to say strictly Mac, consider using InDesign (and still upgrade
Acrobat).


David Creamer
IDEAS Training
http://www.ideastraining.com
Adobe Authorized Instructor & Certified Expert since 1995
Authorized QuarkXPress Instructor and Certified Expert since 1988



-Original Message-
From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk] 
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 5:29 AM
To: David Creamer
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Removing extraneous color channel information
Importance: High

At 15:24 -0800 14/12/11, David Creamer wrote:

>Where did you create the drop shadows? In AI?

Author's graphics, done in OmniGraffle on Mac.

>What format did you save the AI files as?

PDF.

>What were your PDF settings?

If you mean from Illustrator, as in PDFX/1 etc, none. If you mean Distiller,
print quality standard but I'm working towards PDF/X-3.

>What version of Acrobat Pro do you have?

6

>(I noticed you are using Distiller 6--is your Acrobat the same version?)

Yes

-- 
Steve

Error Due to missing tag

[Michael Pearson]

Hi Brenda,

You may have done this and not mentioned it, but if you haven't, you need
to import the modified EDD rules into your template file. Maybe that's the
issue?

HTH,
Mike

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 8:33 AM, George, Brenda (CAI) <
BGeorge at federatedinv.com> wrote:

>  I am encountering these error messages when I flow an xml file into
> Structured FrameMaker 8:
>
>
> Internal Error: 8004, 6345644, 8487696, 0
>
> and
>
> ** **
>
> Adobe FrameMaker (Structured): FrameMaker.exe ? Application Error:
> The instruction at ?0x00cc1940? referenced memory at ?0x?. The
> memory could not be read.
>
>
> I have located the problem in the xml markup. The errors are due to a
> missing  tag within an element named .
> If I place a  tag in the markup the xml flows without problems.
> I have tried to modify the DTD and the EDD holdings declaration so that the
> subhead element is optional within holdings. I have tried a number of
> different declarations. None of them seem to be working. 
>
> ** **
>
> The declarations currently are set like this:
>
> The DTD declaration is this:
> 
>
> ** **
>
> The EDD declaration is this:
> Element (Container): holdings
> General rule: (mainhead, (subhead?)*, (table*))*
>
> ** **
>
> It is still throwing these errors for the holdings markup that does not
> include a subhead tag.
>
> ** **
>
> Recently a dll file called ?Marketing.dll? was updated and replaced the
> previous Marketing.dll file. When I flow the xml using this revised dll
> file it throws the error. When I flow the data using the previous dll file
> it does not throw the error. 
>
> ** **
>
> Can this problem be resolved by modifying the holdings declarations in the
> DTD and EDD, or is the problem tied into the revised dll file?
>
> ** **
>
> Brenda George
>
> Desk: (724) 720-8491
>
> bgeorge at federatedinv.com
>
> ** **
>
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Error Due to missing tag

[George, Brenda (CAI)]

I am encountering these error messages when I flow an xml file into Structured 
FrameMaker 8:

Internal Error: 8004, 6345644, 8487696, 0

and

Adobe FrameMaker (Structured): FrameMaker.exe - Application Error:
The instruction at "0x00cc1940" referenced memory at "0x". The memory 
could not be read.

I have located the problem in the xml markup. The errors are due to a missing 
 tag within an element named .
If I place a  tag in the markup the xml flows without problems. I 
have tried to modify the DTD and the EDD holdings declaration so that the 
subhead element is optional within holdings. I have tried a number of different 
declarations. None of them seem to be working.

The declarations currently are set like this:
The DTD declaration is this:


The EDD declaration is this:
Element (Container): holdings
General rule: (mainhead, (subhead?)*, (table*))*

It is still throwing these errors for the holdings markup that does not include 
a subhead tag.

Recently a dll file called "Marketing.dll" was updated and replaced the 
previous Marketing.dll file. When I flow the xml using this revised dll file it 
throws the error. When I flow the data using the previous dll file it does not 
throw the error.

Can this problem be resolved by modifying the holdings declarations in the DTD 
and EDD, or is the problem tied into the revised dll file?

Brenda George
Desk: (724) 720-8491
bgeo...@federatedinv.com

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Re: icons on new Macs

[Steve Rickaby]

At 11:31 -0700 14/12/11, Graeme R Forbes wrote:

>Does anyone know how to get FM7 (and earlier) document icons to appear on the 
>desktop on Macs without Classic? On my new intel iMac running Snow Leopard I 
>see that the icons for some OS9 apps like PageMill appear correctly, but all I 
>get for FrameMaker docs is an ugly generic icon.

Someone closer to this setup than me writes...

At 06:39 -0700 15/12/11, Helen Garfinkle wrote:

>I don't work in Snow Leopard but in 10.5.8, I see a FrameMaker icon of a white 
>page with the upper right corner turned, and a big FM in a gold/orange square. 
>I don't know if that's ugly generic or not. Sorry I can't be more help.

-- 
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Re: Frame 9 - setting specific graphic sizes in dita xml jobs

[Writer]

You still haven't said what you use to create the PDF. However, I wouldn't 
bother trying to set up the columns, pages size, etc in the authoring 
environment because really all you are creating at that point is unformatted 
XML. I would apply all the formatting using the whatever it is you use to 
create the PDF. For example, if you're creating the PDF by going from DITA > FM 
> PDF, I would create a template to apply to the FM files. 


I have seen references to some plug-ins for FM that allow you to control the 
defaults for anchored frames, but I've never used them.

They are:

ImpGraph by Bruce Foster (I'm not sure if this is still available as Mr. Foster 
passed away recently).
ShrinkWrapAsIs.dll (http://martinek.us/shrinkwrap.html).

Let us know how you resolve your problem.

Nadine




>
> From: Pattie Alsop 
>To: Writer ; "framers@lists.frameusers.com" 
> 
>Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 6:34:01 AM
>Subject: RE: Frame 9 - setting specific graphic sizes in dita xml jobs
> 
>
> 
>DITA Data is coming in directly from a content management system. We are 
>trying to use FrameMaker as the authoring/editing tool, and the final 
>deliverable would be PDF. 
>Legacy data is the issue, when it comes into frame all graphics are built as 1 
>column wide, but they are not scaled to fit within the graphic block.  
> 
>I don’t know if the best way to control it is through the EDD or read/write 
>rules. 
> 
>If I can’t get this to work soon they will go with another xml edit tool. 
> 
>-Pattie
> 
> 
>From:Writer [mailto:generic...@yahoo.ca] 
>Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 4:52 PM
>To: Pattie Alsop; framers@lists.frameusers.com
>Subject: Re: Frame 9 - setting specific graphic sizes in dita xml jobs
> 
>What kind of output are you creating? What applications are you using to 
>create your output?
> 
>Nadine
> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>From:Pattie Alsop 
>>To: "framers@lists.frameusers.com"  
>>Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 1:52:28 PM
>>Subject: Frame 9 - setting specific graphic sizes in dita xml jobs
>>Hello all, 
>> 
>>I’m relatively new to Frame 9.  I have worked in previous versions but that 
>>was quite a few years ago.
>> 
>>My problem is this:  
>>DITA XML Job.
>> 
>>EDD has entries for Figure and Image tags.    
>>Ex: Image …
>>in all contexts
>>insert imported graphic file 
>> 
>>My page layout is landscape, 3 columns, so when this file opens in Frame, the 
>>graphic  is cut off because it should display across the page, and not just 
>>in one column.    
>> 
>>I need to be able to control the object properties(?) based on the image 
>>width attribute.  
>>I have 3 different possible width values, 1 column, 2 column, and 3 columns 
>>wide.
>> 
>>How do I achieve that?  
>> 
>>Any help is greatly appreciated.
>> 
>>-Pattie
>>
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Frame 9 - setting specific graphic sizes in dita xml jobs

[Writer]

You still haven't said what you use to create the PDF. However, I wouldn't 
bother trying to set up the columns, pages size, etc in the authoring 
environment because really all you are creating at that point is unformatted 
XML. I would apply all the formatting using the whatever it is you use to 
create the PDF. For example, if you're creating the PDF by going from DITA > FM 
> PDF, I would create a template to apply to the FM files. 


I have seen references to some plug-ins for FM that allow you to control the 
defaults for anchored frames, but I've never used them.

They are:

ImpGraph by Bruce Foster (I'm not sure if this is still available as Mr. Foster 
passed away recently).
ShrinkWrapAsIs.dll (http://martinek.us/shrinkwrap.html).

Let us know how you resolve your problem.

Nadine




>
> From: Pattie Alsop 
>To: Writer ; "framers at lists.frameusers.com" 
> 
>Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 6:34:01 AM
>Subject: RE: Frame 9 - setting specific graphic sizes in dita xml jobs
> 
>
> 
>DITA Data is coming in directly from a content management system. We are 
>trying to use FrameMaker as the authoring/editing tool, and the final 
>deliverable would be PDF. 
>Legacy data is the issue, when it comes into frame all graphics are built as 1 
>column wide, but they are not scaled to fit within the graphic block. ?
>?
>I don?t know if the best way to control it is through the EDD or read/write 
>rules. 
>?
>If I can?t get this to work soon they will go with another xml edit tool. 
>?
>-Pattie
>?
>?
>From:Writer [mailto:generic668 at yahoo.ca] 
>Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 4:52 PM
>To: Pattie Alsop; framers at lists.frameusers.com
>Subject: Re: Frame 9 - setting specific graphic sizes in dita xml jobs
>?
>What kind of output are you creating? What applications are you using to 
>create your output?
>?
>Nadine
>?
>>
>>
>> 
>>From:Pattie Alsop 
>>To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com"  
>>Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 1:52:28 PM
>>Subject: Frame 9 - setting specific graphic sizes in dita xml jobs
>>Hello all, 
>>?
>>I?m relatively new to Frame 9.? I have worked in previous versions but that 
>>was quite a few years ago.
>>?
>>My problem is this:? 
>>DITA XML Job.
>>?
>>EDD has entries for Figure and Image tags.??? 
>>Ex: Image ?
>>in all contexts
>>insert imported graphic file 
>>?
>>My page layout is landscape, 3 columns, so when this file opens in Frame, the 
>>graphic ?is cut off because it should display across the page, and not just 
>>in one column. ???
>>?
>>I need to be able to control the object properties(?) based on the image 
>>width attribute. ?
>>I have 3 different possible width values, 1 column, 2 column, and 3 columns 
>>wide.
>>?
>>How do I achieve that? ?
>>?
>>Any help is greatly appreciated.
>>?
>>-Pattie
>>
>>___
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RE: Removing extraneous color channel information

[Steve Rickaby]

At 15:24 -0800 14/12/11, David Creamer wrote:

>Where did you create the drop shadows? In AI?

Author's graphics, done in OmniGraffle on Mac.

>What format did you save the AI files as?

PDF.

>What were your PDF settings?

If you mean from Illustrator, as in PDFX/1 etc, none. If you mean Distiller, 
print quality standard but I'm working towards PDF/X-3.

>What version of Acrobat Pro do you have?

6

>(I noticed you are using Distiller 6--is your Acrobat the same version?)

Yes

-- 
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AW: Question about Finalyzer

[Georg Eck]

Free:

- Module: Formats  

   Contains:  It is used either for deleting all currently unused or all
formats in a catalog, 
or to insert all the new paragraph formats/character formats in the
active document's catalog

  - paragraph formats

  - character formats

  - table formats

  - variables

  - colors

 

More about see help:
http://www.finalyser.com/help/#page/FN10EN-Reverb/Formate.xml.06.1.html

 

-  GEorg

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