Re: FrameMaker to Apple Pages (then to iBooks Author)

[Steve Rickaby]

At 17:52 -0800 28/1/12, Scott Prentice wrote:

The reason you may want to save from FM to Pages is so you can get your 
content into the Apple iBooks Author application (it only imports a Pages 
file).

I thought it also imports Word? See for example

http://www.apple.com/ibooks-author/ under 'Building a book'

Pages might well be preferable, though ;-) I evaluated it recently, and the 
only major issue I found was that - at least in the version I tried (4.0.3) - 
it had no concept of linking graphics, and just pulled them all into the Pages 
document, resulting in huge files and slowness. This might have been fixed by 
now.

-- 
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Re: FrameMaker to Apple Pages (then to iBooks Author)

[Scott Prentice]

Hi Steve...

Yes, IBA does import Word as well, but in my early testing I found that style 
names weren't preserved and many objects like links and images were lost. 

I still need to do more validation to see if there exists a viable route from 
FM to IBA or if a plugin would be a usegul method. 

The current beta plugin is more of a proof of concept to test the process. 

Cheers,

...scott

Sent from my phone. Please excuse any typos or unexpected brevity. 

On Jan 29, 2012, at 5:42 AM, Steve Rickaby srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk 
wrote:

 At 17:52 -0800 28/1/12, Scott Prentice wrote:
 
 The reason you may want to save from FM to Pages is so you can get your 
 content into the Apple iBooks Author application (it only imports a Pages 
 file).
 
 I thought it also imports Word? See for example
 
 http://www.apple.com/ibooks-author/ under 'Building a book'
 
 Pages might well be preferable, though ;-) I evaluated it recently, and the 
 only major issue I found was that - at least in the version I tried (4.0.3) - 
 it had no concept of linking graphics, and just pulled them all into the 
 Pages document, resulting in huge files and slowness. This might have been 
 fixed by now.
 
 -- 
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Re: FrameMaker to Apple Pages (then to iBooks Author)

[Scott Prentice]

One more thing.

I'm now seeing that IBA does properly maintain style names when 
importing a Word DOC. Not sure what I was seeing (or not seeing) before. 
You do need to make sure to select the Preserve paragraph styles on 
import option, but when you do it does seem to preserve style names 
(for character styles as well).


Might still make sense to be able to go from FM to Pages directly 
without going through a DOC file .. but we'll see.


Cheers,

...scott


On 1/29/12 7:54 AM, Scott Prentice wrote:

Hi Steve...

Yes, IBA does import Word as well, but in my early testing I found that style 
names weren't preserved and many objects like links and images were lost.

I still need to do more validation to see if there exists a viable route from 
FM to IBA or if a plugin would be a usegul method.

The current beta plugin is more of a proof of concept to test the process.

Cheers,

...scott

Sent from my phone. Please excuse any typos or unexpected brevity.

On Jan 29, 2012, at 5:42 AM, Steve Rickabysrick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk  
wrote:


At 17:52 -0800 28/1/12, Scott Prentice wrote:


The reason you may want to save from FM to Pages is so you can get your content 
into the Apple iBooks Author application (it only imports a Pages file).

I thought it also imports Word? See for example

http://www.apple.com/ibooks-author/  under 'Building a book'

Pages might well be preferable, though ;-) I evaluated it recently, and the 
only major issue I found was that - at least in the version I tried (4.0.3) - 
it had no concept of linking graphics, and just pulled them all into the Pages 
document, resulting in huge files and slowness. This might have been fixed by 
now.

--
Steve

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Re: FrameMaker to Apple Pages (then to iBooks Author)

[Steve Rickaby]

Scott

I'm now seeing that IBA does properly maintain style names when importing a 
Word DOC. Not sure what I was seeing (or not seeing) before. You do need to 
make sure to select the Preserve paragraph styles on import option, but when 
you do it does seem to preserve style names (for character styles as well).

I'm sure that a route to iBA from FrameMaker will be very useful to a load of 
folks. Great stuff!

I'm still wondering how the publishers advertised with iBP have repurposed 
their existing titles; maybe they backed off from InDesign/Quark to the 
original Word ms and worked from there.

-- 
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Lists of Effective Pages and Sections

[Kristy Nolan]

Hi, guys!

I am stumped. On Structured Frame 10, trying to create lists of effective 
sections and pages. These are requirements as front matter for our documents, 
two separate lists. The entire document is structured except for these lists 
and the TOCs. (If there is a way to generate these in structure, I am all for 
it, but not sure how to do that. Even the reference books I have don't seem to 
address the two together.)

I get the general idea of how to generate the lists (Special/List of...) and 
have the correct elements appearing.

I've started with the list of effective sections, where I have elements for my 
chapter title, section title, and subsection title, each with its associated 
revision date. On the reference page all of them are showing up as 
$elemtextonly in its paragraph [e.g., RevisionDate()LOP]. When I was in 
unstructured Frame, I could move these elements to a different paragraph and 
still retain the piece I was looking for. If I move the current $elemtextonly, 
it defaults to the new paragraph (understandable). The only way I have found to 
retain the right information is keeping all in separate paragraphs, but I am 
looking to have a title with a leader line to its revision date in one 
paragraph.

Leads me to multiple questions:
1. At one point years ago I stumbled on a way to essentially have two 
paragraphs on one line (in appearance only). Anyone know how to do that? It is 
not a table, but that's all I remember.
2. Is there a way to get the proper elements to show up in one paragraph on the 
reference page?
3. Is there a better way to do this?

I am happy to share a sample chapter (with its EDD) and what I currently have 
set up if someone has an idea. This is my first big project actually creating 
the EDD from scratch, so it is entirely possible I missed something completely.

Thanks in advance!
Kristy


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Re: Lists of Effective Pages and Sections

[Writer]

Kristy, by structured, do you mean DITA? If so (and assuming your goal 
is to make a book PDF or something similar), save your ditamap as a 
FrameMaker book with FrameMaker components, and then add your front 
matter, TOC, formatting, etc. Don't try to do your formatting or fancy 
work in the DITA files themselves.


If you don't mean DITA, what do you mean by structured?

Nadine



On 29/01/2012 2:18 PM, Kristy Nolan wrote:

Hi, guys!

I am stumped. On Structured Frame 10, trying to create lists of effective 
sections and pages. These are requirements as front matter for our documents, 
two separate lists. The entire document is structured except for these lists 
and the TOCs. (If there is a way to generate these in structure, I am all for 
it, but not sure how to do that. Even the reference books I have don't seem to 
address the two together.)

I get the general idea of how to generate the lists (Special/List of...) and 
have the correct elements appearing.

I've started with the list of effective sections, where I have elements for my 
chapter title, section title, and subsection title, each with its associated revision 
date. On the reference page all of them are showing up as$elemtextonly  in 
its paragraph [e.g., RevisionDate()LOP]. When I was in unstructured Frame, I could 
move these elements to a different paragraph and still retain the piece I was looking 
for. If I move the current $elemtextonly, it defaults to the new paragraph 
(understandable). The only way I have found to retain the right information is 
keeping all in separate paragraphs, but I am looking to have a title with a leader 
line to its revision date in one paragraph.

Leads me to multiple questions:
1. At one point years ago I stumbled on a way to essentially have two 
paragraphs on one line (in appearance only). Anyone know how to do that? It is 
not a table, but that's all I remember.
2. Is there a way to get the proper elements to show up in one paragraph on the 
reference page?
3. Is there a better way to do this?

I am happy to share a sample chapter (with its EDD) and what I currently have 
set up if someone has an idea. This is my first big project actually creating 
the EDD from scratch, so it is entirely possible I missed something completely.

Thanks in advance!
Kristy


Kristy Nolan
Manager, Flight Operations
Central Publications HDQ-1CP
Southwest Airlines
2702 Love Field Dr.
Dallas, TX 75235
214-792-6142



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Re: Lists of Effective Pages and Sections

[Böðvar Björgvinsson]

Hi Kristy,

There is a LEP Tool by SiliconPrairie
http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com/ which I used a lot a few years back
with good results on both structured and unstructured FM books. This was
for FM 7, but I see that they have those available all the way up to FM10.
Fastest way is to go right to the Downloads page.

Brgds,
Bodvar Bjorgvinsson


2012/1/29 Kristy Nolan kristy.no...@wnco.com

 Hi, guys!

 I am stumped. On Structured Frame 10, trying to create lists of effective
 sections and pages. These are requirements as front matter for our
 documents, two separate lists. The entire document is structured except for
 these lists and the TOCs. (If there is a way to generate these in
 structure, I am all for it, but not sure how to do that. Even the reference
 books I have don't seem to address the two together.)

 I get the general idea of how to generate the lists (Special/List of...)
 and have the correct elements appearing.

 I've started with the list of effective sections, where I have elements
 for my chapter title, section title, and subsection title, each with its
 associated revision date. On the reference page all of them are showing up
 as $elemtextonly in its paragraph [e.g., RevisionDate()LOP]. When I was
 in unstructured Frame, I could move these elements to a different paragraph
 and still retain the piece I was looking for. If I move the current
 $elemtextonly, it defaults to the new paragraph (understandable). The only
 way I have found to retain the right information is keeping all in separate
 paragraphs, but I am looking to have a title with a leader line to its
 revision date in one paragraph.

 Leads me to multiple questions:
 1. At one point years ago I stumbled on a way to essentially have two
 paragraphs on one line (in appearance only). Anyone know how to do that? It
 is not a table, but that's all I remember.
 2. Is there a way to get the proper elements to show up in one paragraph
 on the reference page?
 3. Is there a better way to do this?

 I am happy to share a sample chapter (with its EDD) and what I currently
 have set up if someone has an idea. This is my first big project actually
 creating the EDD from scratch, so it is entirely possible I missed
 something completely.

 Thanks in advance!
 Kristy


 Kristy Nolan
 Manager, Flight Operations
 Central Publications HDQ-1CP
 Southwest Airlines
 2702 Love Field Dr.
 Dallas, TX 75235
 214-792-6142



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FrameMaker to Apple Pages (then to iBooks Author)

[Steve Rickaby]

At 17:52 -0800 28/1/12, Scott Prentice wrote:

>The reason you may want to save from FM to Pages is so you can get your 
>content into the Apple iBooks Author application (it only imports a Pages 
>file).

I thought it also imports Word? See for example

 under 'Building a book'

Pages might well be preferable, though ;-) I evaluated it recently, and the 
only major issue I found was that - at least in the version I tried (4.0.3) - 
it had no concept of linking graphics, and just pulled them all into the Pages 
document, resulting in huge files and slowness. This might have been fixed by 
now.

-- 
Steve

FrameMaker to Apple Pages (then to iBooks Author)

[Scott Prentice]

Hi Steve...

Yes, IBA does import Word as well, but in my early testing I found that style 
names weren't preserved and many objects like links and images were lost. 

I still need to do more validation to see if there exists a viable route from 
FM to IBA or if a plugin would be a usegul method. 

The current beta plugin is more of a proof of concept to test the process. 

Cheers,

...scott

Sent from my phone. Please excuse any typos or unexpected brevity. 

On Jan 29, 2012, at 5:42 AM, Steve Rickaby  wrote:

> At 17:52 -0800 28/1/12, Scott Prentice wrote:
> 
>> The reason you may want to save from FM to Pages is so you can get your 
>> content into the Apple iBooks Author application (it only imports a Pages 
>> file).
> 
> I thought it also imports Word? See for example
> 
>  under 'Building a book'
> 
> Pages might well be preferable, though ;-) I evaluated it recently, and the 
> only major issue I found was that - at least in the version I tried (4.0.3) - 
> it had no concept of linking graphics, and just pulled them all into the 
> Pages document, resulting in huge files and slowness. This might have been 
> fixed by now.
> 
> -- 
> Steve

FrameMaker to Apple Pages (then to iBooks Author)

[Scott Prentice]

One more thing.

I'm now seeing that IBA does properly maintain style names when 
importing a Word DOC. Not sure what I was seeing (or not seeing) before. 
You do need to make sure to select the "Preserve paragraph styles on 
import" option, but when you do it does seem to preserve style names 
(for character styles as well).

Might still make sense to be able to go from FM to Pages directly 
without going through a DOC file .. but we'll see.

Cheers,

...scott


On 1/29/12 7:54 AM, Scott Prentice wrote:
> Hi Steve...
>
> Yes, IBA does import Word as well, but in my early testing I found that style 
> names weren't preserved and many objects like links and images were lost.
>
> I still need to do more validation to see if there exists a viable route from 
> FM to IBA or if a plugin would be a usegul method.
>
> The current beta plugin is more of a proof of concept to test the process.
>
> Cheers,
>
> ...scott
>
> Sent from my phone. Please excuse any typos or unexpected brevity.
>
> On Jan 29, 2012, at 5:42 AM, Steve Rickaby wordmongers.demon.co.uk>  wrote:
>
>> At 17:52 -0800 28/1/12, Scott Prentice wrote:
>>
>>> The reason you may want to save from FM to Pages is so you can get your 
>>> content into the Apple iBooks Author application (it only imports a Pages 
>>> file).
>> I thought it also imports Word? See for example
>>
>> <http://www.apple.com/ibooks-author/>  under 'Building a book'
>>
>> Pages might well be preferable, though ;-) I evaluated it recently, and the 
>> only major issue I found was that - at least in the version I tried (4.0.3) 
>> - it had no concept of linking graphics, and just pulled them all into the 
>> Pages document, resulting in huge files and slowness. This might have been 
>> fixed by now.
>>
>> -- 
>> Steve
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FrameMaker to Apple Pages (then to iBooks Author)

[Steve Rickaby]

Scott

>I'm now seeing that IBA does properly maintain style names when importing a 
>Word DOC. Not sure what I was seeing (or not seeing) before. You do need to 
>make sure to select the "Preserve paragraph styles on import" option, but when 
>you do it does seem to preserve style names (for character styles as well).

I'm sure that a route to iBA from FrameMaker will be very useful to a load of 
folks. Great stuff!

I'm still wondering how the publishers advertised with iBP have repurposed 
their existing titles; maybe they backed off from InDesign/Quark to the 
original Word ms and worked from there.

-- 
Steve

Lists of Effective Pages and Sections

[Kristy Nolan]

Hi, guys!

I am stumped. On Structured Frame 10, trying to create lists of effective 
sections and pages. These are requirements as front matter for our documents, 
two separate lists. The entire document is structured except for these lists 
and the TOCs. (If there is a way to generate these in structure, I am all for 
it, but not sure how to do that. Even the reference books I have don't seem to 
address the two together.)

I get the general idea of how to generate the lists (Special/List of...) and 
have the correct elements appearing.

I've started with the list of effective sections, where I have elements for my 
chapter title, section title, and subsection title, each with its associated 
revision date. On the reference page all of them are showing up as 
<$elemtextonly> in its paragraph [e.g., RevisionDate()LOP]. When I was in 
unstructured Frame, I could move these elements to a different paragraph and 
still retain the piece I was looking for. If I move the current $elemtextonly, 
it defaults to the new paragraph (understandable). The only way I have found to 
retain the right information is keeping all in separate paragraphs, but I am 
looking to have a title with a leader line to its revision date in one 
paragraph.

Leads me to multiple questions:
1. At one point years ago I stumbled on a way to essentially have two 
paragraphs on one line (in appearance only). Anyone know how to do that? It is 
not a table, but that's all I remember.
2. Is there a way to get the proper elements to show up in one paragraph on the 
reference page?
3. Is there a better way to do this?

I am happy to share a sample chapter (with its EDD) and what I currently have 
set up if someone has an idea. This is my first big project actually creating 
the EDD from scratch, so it is entirely possible I missed something completely.

Thanks in advance!
Kristy


Kristy Nolan
Manager, Flight Operations
Central Publications HDQ-1CP
Southwest Airlines
2702 Love Field Dr.
Dallas, TX 75235
214-792-6142



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Lists of Effective Pages and Sections

[Writer]

Kristy, by structured, do you mean DITA? If so (and assuming your goal 
is to make a book PDF or something similar), save your ditamap as a 
FrameMaker book with FrameMaker components, and then add your front 
matter, TOC, formatting, etc. Don't try to do your formatting or fancy 
work in the DITA files themselves.

If you don't mean DITA, what do you mean by structured?

Nadine



On 29/01/2012 2:18 PM, Kristy Nolan wrote:
> Hi, guys!
>
> I am stumped. On Structured Frame 10, trying to create lists of effective 
> sections and pages. These are requirements as front matter for our documents, 
> two separate lists. The entire document is structured except for these lists 
> and the TOCs. (If there is a way to generate these in structure, I am all for 
> it, but not sure how to do that. Even the reference books I have don't seem 
> to address the two together.)
>
> I get the general idea of how to generate the lists (Special/List of...) and 
> have the correct elements appearing.
>
> I've started with the list of effective sections, where I have elements for 
> my chapter title, section title, and subsection title, each with its 
> associated revision date. On the reference page all of them are showing up 
> as<$elemtextonly>  in its paragraph [e.g., RevisionDate()LOP]. When I was in 
> unstructured Frame, I could move these elements to a different paragraph and 
> still retain the piece I was looking for. If I move the current 
> $elemtextonly, it defaults to the new paragraph (understandable). The only 
> way I have found to retain the right information is keeping all in separate 
> paragraphs, but I am looking to have a title with a leader line to its 
> revision date in one paragraph.
>
> Leads me to multiple questions:
> 1. At one point years ago I stumbled on a way to essentially have two 
> paragraphs on one line (in appearance only). Anyone know how to do that? It 
> is not a table, but that's all I remember.
> 2. Is there a way to get the proper elements to show up in one paragraph on 
> the reference page?
> 3. Is there a better way to do this?
>
> I am happy to share a sample chapter (with its EDD) and what I currently have 
> set up if someone has an idea. This is my first big project actually creating 
> the EDD from scratch, so it is entirely possible I missed something 
> completely.
>
> Thanks in advance!
> Kristy
>
>
> Kristy Nolan
> Manager, Flight Operations
> Central Publications HDQ-1CP
> Southwest Airlines
> 2702 Love Field Dr.
> Dallas, TX 75235
> 214-792-6142
>
>
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Lists of Effective Pages and Sections

[Böðvar Björgvinsson]

Hi Kristy,

There is a LEP Tool by SiliconPrairie
http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com/ which I used a lot a few years back
with good results on both structured and unstructured FM books. This was
for FM 7, but I see that they have those available all the way up to FM10.
Fastest way is to go right to the Downloads page.

Brgds,
Bodvar Bjorgvinsson


2012/1/29 Kristy Nolan 

> Hi, guys!
>
> I am stumped. On Structured Frame 10, trying to create lists of effective
> sections and pages. These are requirements as front matter for our
> documents, two separate lists. The entire document is structured except for
> these lists and the TOCs. (If there is a way to generate these in
> structure, I am all for it, but not sure how to do that. Even the reference
> books I have don't seem to address the two together.)
>
> I get the general idea of how to generate the lists (Special/List of...)
> and have the correct elements appearing.
>
> I've started with the list of effective sections, where I have elements
> for my chapter title, section title, and subsection title, each with its
> associated revision date. On the reference page all of them are showing up
> as <$elemtextonly> in its paragraph [e.g., RevisionDate()LOP]. When I was
> in unstructured Frame, I could move these elements to a different paragraph
> and still retain the piece I was looking for. If I move the current
> $elemtextonly, it defaults to the new paragraph (understandable). The only
> way I have found to retain the right information is keeping all in separate
> paragraphs, but I am looking to have a title with a leader line to its
> revision date in one paragraph.
>
> Leads me to multiple questions:
> 1. At one point years ago I stumbled on a way to essentially have two
> paragraphs on one line (in appearance only). Anyone know how to do that? It
> is not a table, but that's all I remember.
> 2. Is there a way to get the proper elements to show up in one paragraph
> on the reference page?
> 3. Is there a better way to do this?
>
> I am happy to share a sample chapter (with its EDD) and what I currently
> have set up if someone has an idea. This is my first big project actually
> creating the EDD from scratch, so it is entirely possible I missed
> something completely.
>
> Thanks in advance!
> Kristy
>
>
> Kristy Nolan
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Lists of Effective Pages and Sections

[John Hogan]

Kristy,

Two paragraphs on one line requires setting the Run-In Head paragraph
property on only the FIRST of the two paragraph types.

Good luck

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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Kristy Nolan

Leads me to multiple questions:
1. At one point years ago I stumbled on a way to essentially have two
paragraphs on one line (in appearance only). Anyone know how to do that? It
is not a table, but that's all I remember.
2. Is there a way to get the proper elements to show up in one paragraph on
the reference page?
3. Is there a better way to do this?