RE: What's your top feature request for FrameMaker 11?

[rinch]

If XML is ever going to become truly mainstream,
Adobe has to make creating XML outputs just as easy as creating a PDF.
Adobe's marketing department can hype the advantages of XML all they want—current
XML workflow's demand too many resources to be cost effective for most
users. Adobe needs to make XML outputs as simple and cost-effective
as Save As PDF, while maintaining authoring capabilities that are just
as simple and intuitive as is the current unstructured authoring environment.
I believe this can be accomplished. However, Adobe engineers have much
work to do, perhaps including with some paradigm shifts regarding the basic
authoring process, to accomplish the goal of a truly easy, flexible XML
environment.

Richard

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Re: FYI: Deal for upgrading from FM7.x to FM10 ends June 15

[Maxwell Hoffmann]

FYI -

Robert, I respect your opinion on FM7.x. I have observed that in isolated cases 
a single person or small advanced group of advanced users are sometimes capable 
of exercising enough discipline to continue satisfactory production with 
version FM7.x , which was last updated 7 years ago. 

There *are*, however, definite limitations with FM7.x vs. FM10 that affect most 
people, e.g. no Unicode support, no rich graphics, more time-consuming steps in 
locating and removing format overrides, and a more challenging path to output 
to ePubs (via TCS.) For many of us, changing demands on our deliverables are 
not met by code that was written 7 to 10 years ago. 

There is a long list of nearly 50 enhancements to FrameMaker that have taken 
place over the past 10 years, listed at the *bottom* of the call to action 
webpage below. I'll use the full URL, just scroll to the bottom:

http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/fm-upgrade.html

There are 2 short blogs that anyone in a mid-sized workgroup with FM7.x should 
consider reviewing. 
(NOTE: edit line breaks in the full URLs below before copy/paste into browser 
address field.)

(a) Blog with links to 4 Captivate videos:

http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2012/05/videos-5-compelling-reasons-to-upgrade-from-framemaker-7-x-to-framemaker-10.html

(b) Blog highlighting timesaving features for FM7.x users who are not 
interested in structure:

http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2012/06/what-if-you-use-framemaker-7-x-and-dont-want-dita-upgrade-to-fm-10.html

I hope many in the group will share this information with their contacts who 
are not fully satisfied with FrameMaker 7.x, as this such FM users to upgrade 
FrameMaker to FrameMaker, rather than FrameMaker to the full Tech Comm Suite. 

For those interested, time is running out as there are now only 8 days left to 
take advantage of the promotion. This topic becomes a dead issue a week from 
tomorrow.

I will step aside from this topic.
__
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Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 08:54:09 -0700
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Subject: Re: FYI: Deal for upgrading from FM7.x to FM10 ends June 15
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The offer is Adobe FrameMaker 7.X customers can receive a savings of
30% on the FULL version of FrameMaker 10 software purchased through
Adobe Customer Service, or a participating reseller worldwide.

Adobe charges $999, 30% off that is $699. Amazon charges $634.

Personally I'd stick with 7 unless I had a specific reason to upgade.
Adobe introduced a lot of bugs with the UI makeover in FM9 and if
anything they got worse in FM10. The last new feature they added that
I have any use for was the multiple undo in 7.2.

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Find/Change Character Format Override in FM10

[Robert Lauriston]

Thanks to Craig Ede for pointing me to the new FM10 Find/Change
Character Format Override feature.

It's pretty crude. You can't specify a specific character format
override to search for, the way you can when simply searching for
character formats, so you can't find Italic or Bold overrides.

It would be more consistent with other entries on the Find drop-down
item if it were called Any Character Format Override.

As is, the only use I can see for it would be to go through manually
and fix each override individually.

Who does Adobe talk to when designing these features?
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Re: Deal for upgrading from FM7.x to FM10 ends June 15

[Robert Lauriston]

Google Shopping finds three other vendors under $640.

On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Fred Ridder docu...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Yes, but that lowball street price is from an Amazon marketplace vendor
 who don't look terribly substantial--their storefront only offers 16
 products total, and only 55 customers have posted feedback for them
 (although it is all positive feedback)--and there is currently only 1 copy
 in stock (down from 4 copies yesterday).
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Re: Upgrading from FM7.x to FM10: Features

[Grant Hogarth]

One more piece; there is a graphic/table on the Adobe FM site that shows
what features were added for each release:

http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/upgrade.html

This compares FM7, FM8, FM9 and FM10, so you can tell (pretty much) when
each feature was introduced.
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Frame RoboHelp Web app

[Amy Super]

This is a little bit more of a RoboHelp question than a FrameMaker
question, but since we're starting with Frame I thought I'd throw it out
to this group.

 

We're looking at a process flow of going from FrameMaker to RoboHelp for
online help, so that we have single sourcing for PDFs and some form of
online help. I've done this before at my last job, with output to
Microsoft HTML Help for an installed application. So doing context
sensitive work was a matter of a developer handing me a file with
MapIDs, and me  hooking everything up in RoboHelp.

 

But now, at my current position, we're looking to use the RoboHelp
output for a web-based application. 

 

Does anyone have thoughts on:

1) What RoboHelp output formats work well for web-based apps?

2) Are there resources out there that describe how to get the
context-sensitive part of it to work? Thankfully I wouldn't be doing the
programming, but I'd need to point our developers to resources.

 

Thanks!

 

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RE: Frame RoboHelp Web app

[Jeff Coatsworth]

Output formats - WebHelp, browser-based AIR Help
Resources on CSH - see Peter Grainge's site 
www.grainge.orghttp://www.grainge.org for a wealth of RH info  the Adobe 
Forums too.


From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Amy Super
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 8:19 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Frame  RoboHelp  Web app

This is a little bit more of a RoboHelp question than a FrameMaker question, 
but since we're starting with Frame I thought I'd throw it out to this group.

We're looking at a process flow of going from FrameMaker to RoboHelp for online 
help, so that we have single sourcing for PDFs and some form of online help. 
I've done this before at my last job, with output to Microsoft HTML Help for an 
installed application. So doing context sensitive work was a matter of a 
developer handing me a file with MapIDs, and me  hooking everything up in 
RoboHelp.

But now, at my current position, we're looking to use the RoboHelp output for a 
web-based application.

Does anyone have thoughts on:
1) What RoboHelp output formats work well for web-based apps?
2) Are there resources out there that describe how to get the context-sensitive 
part of it to work? Thankfully I wouldn't be doing the programming, but I'd 
need to point our developers to resources.

Thanks!

Amy Super
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Re: Find/Change Character Format Override in FM10

[Stuart Rogers]

On 07/06/2012 4:47 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote:

Thanks to Craig Ede for pointing me to the new FM10 Find/Change
Character Format Override feature.

It's pretty crude. You can't specify a specific character format
override to search for, the way you can when simply searching for
character formats, so you can't find Italic or Bold overrides.

It would be more consistent with other entries on the Find drop-down
item if it were called Any Character Format Override.

As is, the only use I can see for it would be to go through manually
and fix each override individually.



If you want to get rid of overrides en masse (and indiscriminately), you 
can import formats from the current document into itself, selecting 
Remove Other Format/Layout Overrides.  (No Undo; back up files first!)


There are also inexpensive plug-ins from Silicon Prairie that will 
remove char/pgf overrides file- or book-wide.


s.

--
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3
Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

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Unresolved X-refs with conditional text

[Nancy Allison]

Hi, all.

I've just inserted a lot of conditional text into multiple files in a book. I'm 
using FM 10 in a Win 7 environment.

When I update the book:

1. The Book error log file lists multiple unresolved cross-references.

2. I click a link in the log to go to the broken xref. FM jumps to the correct 
chapter but doesn't land on a link. Nothing is highlighted. Every link on the 
page works.

3. I use Find/Unresolved Crossreferences to search within that file, but 
nothing turns up.

4. I use Create List of Unresolved Crossreferences at the book level; that file 
is empty.

I have two questions:

1. Anybody know what's going on?

2. Do I dare ignore this -- figure it's an artifact of conditional text -- but 
since all the links I've tested on the targeted pages WORK, maybe I can just 
ignore these stupid error messages? I'm under the gun to get this done.

I could just go ahead, create the PDF, and manually click all links in all 
pages indicated in the original error log . . . 

Thanks for all insights.

--Nancy
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Re: RE: Unresolved X-refs with conditional text

[Nancy Allison]

Thanks, Tom. 

I'm thinking I'll just check the xrefs in the PDF output on the pages listed in 
the error log. If they work, non-problem can be ignored. 

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Re: FYI: Deal for upgrading from FM7.x to FM10 ends June 15

[Alan Litchfield]

All,

As a matter of interest. I went to the page on the original post. Noting that 
the only options for upgrade were from 8 or 9, I saw that at the bottom of the 
page there was a link for more information. In this country, we have no 
reseller network that services upgrades. The last time I upgraded I had to buy 
from Singapore.

Therefore, I have sent an email requesting information from Adobe (the third 
link IIRC).

*I have had no response.* I cannot ring the 1800 number because they do not 
work in this country. I cannot use the special links because this is not US or 
Canada.

Looks like I will be missing out on this offer because Adobe can't get its act 
together.

Not surprised really.

Alan

PS I would be interested to see a link to the special offer on Amazon.


On 8/06/2012, at 7:48 AM, Maxwell Hoffmann wrote:

 FYI -
 
 Robert, I respect your opinion on FM7.x. I have observed that in isolated 
 cases a single person or small advanced group of advanced users are sometimes 
 capable of exercising enough discipline to continue satisfactory production 
 with version FM7.x , which was last updated 7 years ago. 
 
 There *are*, however, definite limitations with FM7.x vs. FM10 that affect 
 most people, e.g. no Unicode support, no rich graphics, more time-consuming 
 steps in locating and removing format overrides, and a more challenging path 
 to output to ePubs (via TCS.) For many of us, changing demands on our 
 deliverables are not met by code that was written 7 to 10 years ago. 
 
 There is a long list of nearly 50 enhancements to FrameMaker that have taken 
 place over the past 10 years, listed at the *bottom* of the call to action 
 webpage below. I'll use the full URL, just scroll to the bottom:
 
 http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/fm-upgrade.html
 
 There are 2 short blogs that anyone in a mid-sized workgroup with FM7.x 
 should consider reviewing. 
 (NOTE: edit line breaks in the full URLs below before copy/paste into browser 
 address field.)
 
 (a) Blog with links to 4 Captivate videos:
 
 http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2012/05/videos-5-compelling-reasons-to-upgrade-from-framemaker-7-x-to-framemaker-10.html
 
 (b) Blog highlighting timesaving features for FM7.x users who are not 
 interested in structure:
 
 http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2012/06/what-if-you-use-framemaker-7-x-and-dont-want-dita-upgrade-to-fm-10.html
 
 I hope many in the group will share this information with their contacts who 
 are not fully satisfied with FrameMaker 7.x, as this such FM users to upgrade 
 FrameMaker to FrameMaker, rather than FrameMaker to the full Tech Comm Suite. 
 
 For those interested, time is running out as there are now only 8 days left 
 to take advantage of the promotion. This topic becomes a dead issue a week 
 from tomorrow.
 
 I will step aside from this topic.
 __
 Maxwell Hoffmann |  Product  Evangelist  |  Adobe  |  p. 503.336.5952  |  c. 
 503.805.3719  |  mhoff...@adobe.com 
 http://twitter.com/maxwellhoffmann -  
 http://www.linkedin.com/in/maxwellhoffmann  blogs.adobe.com/techcomm
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of 
 framers-requ...@lists.frameusers.com
 Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 10:00 AM
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: framers Digest, Vol 80, Issue 7
 
 Message: 11
 Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 08:54:09 -0700
 From: Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: FYI: Deal for upgrading from FM7.x to FM10 ends June 15
 Message-ID:
  CAN3Yy4CfNf9Kx3ia8z6XYxWAR5j=rvjwp6twzdkjys+zuok...@mail.gmail.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
 
 The offer is Adobe FrameMaker 7.X customers can receive a savings of
 30% on the FULL version of FrameMaker 10 software purchased through
 Adobe Customer Service, or a participating reseller worldwide.
 
 Adobe charges $999, 30% off that is $699. Amazon charges $634.
 
 Personally I'd stick with 7 unless I had a specific reason to upgade.
 Adobe introduced a lot of bugs with the UI makeover in FM9 and if
 anything they got worse in FM10. The last new feature they added that
 I have any use for was the multiple undo in 7.2.
 
 

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Re: Find/Change Character Format Override in FM10

[Robert Lauriston]

Yes, but I'm cleaning up a 1000-page doc that has been updated by
many hands over the years. I need to look at each mistake and decide
what correct tags are, if any. Some of the mistakes are pretty
creative, e.g. somebody had a habit of accidentally formatting whole
paragraph with character tags and then using overrides to get it back
to normal.

FM10 can remove all character, paragraph, or table overrides in a book
with a single Change command, but I can't see that being useful very
often.

On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 7:58 AM, Stuart Rogers
srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com wrote:
 If you want to get rid of overrides en masse (and indiscriminately), you can
 import formats from the current document into itself, selecting Remove Other
 Format/Layout Overrides.  (No Undo; back up files first!)
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Re: Frame RoboHelp Web app

[Robert Lauriston]

That's exactly what WebHelp is for. At least with RoboHelp 9 and
FrameMaker 10, it's easy to set up and works well, though the output
options are not as flexible as I'd like. I have a script for
automatically generating both PDF and WebHelp I can send you.

The CSH process for developers is described in the docs:

http://help.adobe.com/en_US/robohelp/robohtml/WSFE586D66-E937-45bd-9F7B-3425A0D02B42.html

On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 5:19 AM, Amy Super asu...@confluence.com wrote:
 This is a little bit more of a RoboHelp question than a FrameMaker question,
 but since we’re starting with Frame I thought I’d throw it out to this
 group.



 We’re looking at a process flow of going from FrameMaker to RoboHelp for
 online help, so that we have single sourcing for PDFs and some form of
 online help. I’ve done this before at my last job, with output to Microsoft
 HTML Help for an installed application. So doing context sensitive work was
 a matter of a developer handing me a file with MapIDs, and me  hooking
 everything up in RoboHelp.
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Re: FYI: Deal for upgrading from FM7.x to FM10 ends June 15

[Robert Lauriston]

I think I know all the features added in FM 8 through 10. I think the
Find Character Format Overrides might be the first one I've found
useful and there are cheap utilities that do the same. Most of the
functionality has not changed since 5.5.6 and many features feel like
they were designed for Windows 386. It's shameful, really.

If I needed Unicode support, I'd take FM8 rather than lose
productivity every day to FM 9/10's keyboard-hostile and buggy UI.

On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Maxwell Hoffmann mhoff...@adobe.com wrote:
 FYI -

 Robert, I respect your opinion on FM7.x. I have observed that in isolated 
 cases a single person or small advanced group of advanced users are sometimes 
 capable of exercising enough discipline to continue satisfactory production 
 with version FM7.x , which was last updated 7 years ago.

 There *are*, however, definite limitations with FM7.x vs. FM10 that affect 
 most people, e.g. no Unicode support, no rich graphics, more time-consuming 
 steps in locating and removing format overrides, and a more challenging path 
 to output to ePubs (via TCS.) For many of us, changing demands on our 
 deliverables are not met by code that was written 7 to 10 years ago.
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RE: What's your top feature request for FrameMaker 11?

[David Artman]

Could you please explain what you mean by this:

 From: ri...@inficon.com
 
 If XML is ever going to become truly mainstream, Adobe has to make 
 creating XML outputs just as easy as creating a PDF.

I don't think I've encountered a need for an XML deliverable, yet. Are
you thinking in terms of shared structured content between isolated
content silos or between incompatible data repositories, or similar?

My understanding of the FM XML implementation is that it is a SOURCE
format, not a deliverable format. AS A SOURCE, it can also be
delivered to other organizations, for their integration needs. But XML
is really more a place from which content transformations BEGIN, not
where they end.

Further, I don't think Adobe's adoption or not of XML as a development
format will have any impact on XML becoming mainstream. It is a given,
if the World Wide Web Consortium has any say in the matter; and many
major players are almost totally wedded to it already.

Adobe can merely choose whether or not their tools are competitive in
terms of power and cost.

But maybe I misunderstand your meaning of XML output...?

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RE: Unresolved X-refs with conditional text

[Magnus, Thomas C]

Nancy,

On a related issue, FM logs unresolved cross-ref errors for conditional 
cross-refs in text insets when PDFing, even if the condition on the doc 
containing the inset is set to hide the cross-ref and the cross ref does not 
appear in the subscriber doc. Similarly, Find unresolved cross-refs does not 
fine any unresolved cross-refs, because they are hidden.

 2. Do I dare ignore this -- figure it's an artifact of conditional text 

I think so.

Tom

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Allison
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 11:45 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Unresolved X-refs with conditional text

Hi, all.

I've just inserted a lot of conditional text into multiple files in a book. I'm 
using FM 10 in a Win 7 environment.

When I update the book:

1. The Book error log file lists multiple unresolved cross-references.

2. I click a link in the log to go to the broken xref. FM jumps to the correct 
chapter but doesn't land on a link. Nothing is highlighted. Every link on the 
page works.

3. I use Find/Unresolved Crossreferences to search within that file, but 
nothing turns up.

4. I use Create List of Unresolved Crossreferences at the book level; that file 
is empty.

I have two questions:

1. Anybody know what's going on?

2. Do I dare ignore this -- figure it's an artifact of conditional text -- but 
since all the links I've tested on the targeted pages WORK, maybe I can just 
ignore these stupid error messages? I'm under the gun to get this done.

I could just go ahead, create the PDF, and manually click all links in all 
pages indicated in the original error log . . . 

Thanks for all insights.

--Nancy
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Scroll Wheel Still Does Not Work

[Charles Brady]

I'm back. I've tried shifting to WizMouse, a different mouse, reinstalling the 
mouse software, unplugging and replugging the mouse cable, and reinstalling 
Framemaker, but nothing has worked. Does anyone have any other ideas?

Thanks for any help.

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Re: FYI: Deal for upgrading from FM7.x to FM10 ends June 15

[Robert Lauriston]

There's no special offer on Amazon, it's just priced at $634.
http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-65098749-FrameMaker-10/dp/B004JN56FI

Currently there's a copy on eBay for $599.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Adobe-FrameMaker-10-for-Windows-Brand-New-Sealed-Retail-65098749-/300720524324

On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Alan Litchfield a...@alphabyte.co.nz wrote:
 All,

 As a matter of interest. I went to the page on the original post. Noting that 
 the only options for upgrade were from 8 or 9, I saw that at the bottom of 
 the page there was a link for more information. In this country, we have no 
 reseller network that services upgrades. The last time I upgraded I had to 
 buy from Singapore.

 Therefore, I have sent an email requesting information from Adobe (the third 
 link IIRC).

 *I have had no response.* I cannot ring the 1800 number because they do not 
 work in this country. I cannot use the special links because this is not US 
 or Canada.

 Looks like I will be missing out on this offer because Adobe can't get its 
 act together.

 Not surprised really.

 Alan

 PS I would be interested to see a link to the special offer on Amazon.
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Multiple Columns

[Robert Leif]

I have been unable to produce a 2 column poster from a single column page. I
changed the size of the page to 24 by 44 inches. Subsequently, I changed the
column layout to two columns separated by 0.5 inch. I set balance columns to
yes and then no. The flow wanders from column to column rather than first
filling the left column and then the right column. It also appears that
often, I now cannot increase the width of the page from 8.5 or 12 inches to
24 inches. This two column layout worked with FrameMaker 9 and its
precursors. Do I need to reinstall FrameMaker 9? Since the last versions of
FrameMaker were internet installations, I do not have a copy of FrameMaker
9. I need to produce this poster for a meeting that I will attend.

Thank you.

Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.

Vice President

Newport Instruments

3345 Hopi Place, 

San Diego, CA 92117-3516

Tel. (619)582-0437)

Email rl...@rleif.com

 

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PDF bookmarks anomaly

[Helen Borrie]

Hi group,
I have a very large book (40 chapters, 14 appendices + glossary, circa 1100 
pp.) in FM 8 unstructured that I'm printing to PDF via the Adobe printer.  All 
goes perfectly except for one anomalous thing in Bookmarks, that I can't seem 
to fix! 

First a picture, then a few more words...
Emacs!

All of the bookmarks that should be under Chapter 38 are appearing at the 
bottom of Chapter 37's bookmarks.  The para selections and levels in Ch. 38's 
PDF props are identical to the others'.  The TOC is correct.

Any ideas, anyone?

Thanks,
Helen
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SOLVED Re: PDF bookmarks anomaly

[Helen Borrie]

At 11:09 PM 7/06/2012, Helen Borrie wrote:
>Hi group,
>I have a very large book (40 chapters, 14 appendices + glossary, circa 1100 
>pp.) in FM 8 unstructured that I'm printing to PDF via the Adobe printer.  All 
>goes perfectly except for one anomalous thing in Bookmarks, that I can't seem 
>to fix! 
>
>First a picture, then a few more words...
>
>All of the bookmarks that should be under Chapter 38 are appearing at the 
>bottom of Chapter 37's bookmarks.  The para selections and levels in Ch. 38's 
>PDF props are identical to the others'.  The TOC is correct.
>
>Any ideas, anyone?

Three responses privately from Roger Shuttleworth, Samantha Lizak and Penelope 
Perkins and you were all dead right.  Somehow I'd corrupted the flow in 
chapters 37 and 38.  When I popped them both into clean templates, problem 
solved!

Thanks all.
Helen

What's your top feature request for FrameMaker 11?

[ri...@inficon.com]

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Frame > RoboHelp > Web app

[Amy Super]

This is a little bit more of a RoboHelp question than a FrameMaker
question, but since we're starting with Frame I thought I'd throw it out
to this group.



We're looking at a process flow of going from FrameMaker to RoboHelp for
online help, so that we have single sourcing for PDFs and some form of
online help. I've done this before at my last job, with output to
Microsoft HTML Help for an installed application. So doing context
sensitive work was a matter of a developer handing me a file with
MapIDs, and me  hooking everything up in RoboHelp.



But now, at my current position, we're looking to use the RoboHelp
output for a web-based application. 



Does anyone have thoughts on:

1) What RoboHelp output formats work well for web-based apps?

2) Are there resources out there that describe how to get the
context-sensitive part of it to work? Thankfully I wouldn't be doing the
programming, but I'd need to point our developers to resources.



Thanks!



Amy Super

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Frame > RoboHelp > Web app

[Jeff Coatsworth]

Output formats - WebHelp, browser-based AIR Help
Resources on CSH - see Peter Grainge's site 
www.grainge.org<http://www.grainge.org> for a wealth of RH info & the Adobe 
Forums too.


From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Amy Super
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 8:19 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Frame > RoboHelp > Web app

This is a little bit more of a RoboHelp question than a FrameMaker question, 
but since we're starting with Frame I thought I'd throw it out to this group.

We're looking at a process flow of going from FrameMaker to RoboHelp for online 
help, so that we have single sourcing for PDFs and some form of online help. 
I've done this before at my last job, with output to Microsoft HTML Help for an 
installed application. So doing context sensitive work was a matter of a 
developer handing me a file with MapIDs, and me  hooking everything up in 
RoboHelp.

But now, at my current position, we're looking to use the RoboHelp output for a 
web-based application.

Does anyone have thoughts on:
1) What RoboHelp output formats work well for web-based apps?
2) Are there resources out there that describe how to get the context-sensitive 
part of it to work? Thankfully I wouldn't be doing the programming, but I'd 
need to point our developers to resources.

Thanks!

Amy Super
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Find/Change Character Format Override in FM10

[Stuart Rogers]

On 07/06/2012 4:47 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote:
> Thanks to Craig Ede for pointing me to the new FM10 Find/Change
> Character Format Override feature.
>
> It's pretty crude. You can't specify a specific character format
> override to search for, the way you can when simply searching for
> character formats, so you can't find Italic or Bold overrides.
>
> It would be more consistent with other entries on the Find drop-down
> item if it were called Any Character Format Override.
>
> As is, the only use I can see for it would be to go through manually
> and fix each override individually.


If you want to get rid of overrides en masse (and indiscriminately), you 
can import formats from the current document into itself, selecting 
Remove Other Format/Layout Overrides.  (No Undo; back up files first!)

There are also inexpensive plug-ins from Silicon Prairie that will 
remove char/pgf overrides file- or book-wide.

s.

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3
Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com

Unresolved X-refs with conditional text

[Nancy Allison]

Hi, all.

I've just inserted a lot of conditional text into multiple files in a book. I'm 
using FM 10 in a Win 7 environment.

When I update the book:

1. The Book error log file lists multiple unresolved cross-references.

2. I click a link in the log to go to the broken xref. FM jumps to the correct 
chapter but doesn't land on a link. Nothing is highlighted. Every link on the 
page works.

3. I use Find/Unresolved Crossreferences to search within that file, but 
nothing turns up.

4. I use Create List of Unresolved Crossreferences at the book level; that file 
is empty.

I have two questions:

1. Anybody know what's going on?

2. Do I dare ignore this -- figure it's an artifact of conditional text -- but 
since all the links I've tested on the targeted pages WORK, maybe I can just 
ignore these stupid error messages? I'm under the gun to get this done.

I could just go ahead, create the PDF, and manually click all links in all 
pages indicated in the original error log . . . 

Thanks for all insights.

--Nancy

Unresolved X-refs with conditional text

[Nancy Allison]

Thanks, Tom. 

I'm thinking I'll just check the xrefs in the PDF output on the pages listed in 
the error log. If they work, non-problem can be ignored. 

--Nancy

Find/Change Character Format Override in FM10

[Robert Lauriston]

Yes, but I'm cleaning up a >1000-page doc that has been updated by
many hands over the years. I need to look at each mistake and decide
what correct tags are, if any. Some of the mistakes are pretty
creative, e.g. somebody had a habit of accidentally formatting whole
paragraph with character tags and then using overrides to get it back
to normal.

FM10 can remove all character, paragraph, or table overrides in a book
with a single Change command, but I can't see that being useful very
often.

On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 7:58 AM, Stuart Rogers
 wrote:
> If you want to get rid of overrides en masse (and indiscriminately), you can
> import formats from the current document into itself, selecting Remove Other
> Format/Layout Overrides. ?(No Undo; back up files first!)

Frame > RoboHelp > Web app

[Robert Lauriston]

That's exactly what WebHelp is for. At least with RoboHelp 9 and
FrameMaker 10, it's easy to set up and works well, though the output
options are not as flexible as I'd like. I have a script for
automatically generating both PDF and WebHelp I can send you.

The CSH process for developers is described in the docs:

http://help.adobe.com/en_US/robohelp/robohtml/WSFE586D66-E937-45bd-9F7B-3425A0D02B42.html

On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 5:19 AM, Amy Super  wrote:
> This is a little bit more of a RoboHelp question than a FrameMaker question,
> but since we?re starting with Frame I thought I?d throw it out to this
> group.
>
>
>
> We?re looking at a process flow of going from FrameMaker to RoboHelp for
> online help, so that we have single sourcing for PDFs and some form of
> online help. I?ve done this before at my last job, with output to Microsoft
> HTML Help for an installed application. So doing context sensitive work was
> a matter of a developer handing me a file with MapIDs, and me? hooking
> everything up in RoboHelp.

FYI: Deal for upgrading from FM7.x to FM10 ends June 15

[Robert Lauriston]

I think I know all the features added in FM 8 through 10. I think the
Find Character Format Overrides might be the first one I've found
useful and there are cheap utilities that do the same. Most of the
functionality has not changed since 5.5.6 and many features feel like
they were designed for Windows 386. It's shameful, really.

If I needed Unicode support, I'd take FM8 rather than lose
productivity every day to FM 9/10's keyboard-hostile and buggy UI.

On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Maxwell Hoffmann  wrote:
> FYI -
>
> Robert, I respect your opinion on FM7.x. I have observed that in isolated 
> cases a single person or small advanced group of advanced users are sometimes 
> capable of exercising enough discipline to continue satisfactory production 
> with version FM7.x , which was last updated 7 years ago.
>
> There *are*, however, definite limitations with FM7.x vs. FM10 that affect 
> most people, e.g. no Unicode support, no rich graphics, more time-consuming 
> steps in locating and removing format overrides, and a more challenging path 
> to output to ePubs (via TCS.) For many of us, changing demands on our 
> deliverables are not met by code that was written 7 to 10 years ago.

What's your top feature request for FrameMaker 11?

[David Artman]

Could you please explain what you mean by this:

> From: rinch at Inficon.com
> 
> If XML is ever going to become truly mainstream, Adobe has to make 
> creating XML outputs just as easy as creating a PDF.

I don't think I've encountered a need for an XML deliverable, yet. Are
you thinking in terms of shared structured content between isolated
content silos or between incompatible data repositories, or similar?

My understanding of the FM XML implementation is that it is a SOURCE
format, not a deliverable format. AS A SOURCE, it can also be
"delivered" to other organizations, for their integration needs. But XML
is really more a place from which content transformations BEGIN, not
where they end.

Further, I don't think Adobe's adoption or not of XML as a development
format will have any impact on XML becoming mainstream. It is a given,
if the World Wide Web Consortium has any say in the matter; and many
major players are almost totally wedded to it already.

Adobe can merely choose whether or not their tools are competitive in
terms of power and cost.

But maybe I misunderstand your meaning of "XML output"...?

Unresolved X-refs with conditional text

[Magnus, Thomas C]

Nancy,

On a related issue, FM logs unresolved cross-ref errors for conditional 
cross-refs in text insets when PDFing, even if the condition on the doc 
containing the inset is set to hide the cross-ref and the cross ref does not 
appear in the subscriber doc. Similarly, Find unresolved cross-refs does not 
fine any unresolved cross-refs, because they are hidden.

> 2. Do I dare ignore this -- figure it's an artifact of conditional text 

I think so.

Tom

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Allison
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 11:45 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Unresolved X-refs with conditional text

Hi, all.

I've just inserted a lot of conditional text into multiple files in a book. I'm 
using FM 10 in a Win 7 environment.

When I update the book:

1. The Book error log file lists multiple unresolved cross-references.

2. I click a link in the log to go to the broken xref. FM jumps to the correct 
chapter but doesn't land on a link. Nothing is highlighted. Every link on the 
page works.

3. I use Find/Unresolved Crossreferences to search within that file, but 
nothing turns up.

4. I use Create List of Unresolved Crossreferences at the book level; that file 
is empty.

I have two questions:

1. Anybody know what's going on?

2. Do I dare ignore this -- figure it's an artifact of conditional text -- but 
since all the links I've tested on the targeted pages WORK, maybe I can just 
ignore these stupid error messages? I'm under the gun to get this done.

I could just go ahead, create the PDF, and manually click all links in all 
pages indicated in the original error log . . . 

Thanks for all insights.

--Nancy
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Scroll Wheel Still Does Not Work

[Charles Brady]

I'm back. I've tried shifting to WizMouse, a different mouse, reinstalling the 
mouse software, unplugging and replugging the mouse cable, and reinstalling 
Framemaker, but nothing has worked. Does anyone have any other ideas?

Thanks for any help.

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FYI: Deal for upgrading from FM7.x to FM10 ends June 15

[Robert Lauriston]

There's no special offer on Amazon, it's just priced at $634.
http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-65098749-FrameMaker-10/dp/B004JN56FI

Currently there's a copy on eBay for $599.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Adobe-FrameMaker-10-for-Windows-Brand-New-Sealed-Retail-65098749-/300720524324

On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Alan Litchfield  
wrote:
> All,
>
> As a matter of interest. I went to the page on the original post. Noting that 
> the only options for upgrade were from 8 or 9, I saw that at the bottom of 
> the page there was a link for more information. In this country, we have no 
> reseller network that services upgrades. The last time I upgraded I had to 
> buy from Singapore.
>
> Therefore, I have sent an email requesting information from Adobe (the third 
> link IIRC).
>
> *I have had no response.* I cannot ring the 1800 number because they do not 
> work in this country. I cannot use the special links because this is not US 
> or Canada.
>
> Looks like I will be missing out on this offer because Adobe can't get its 
> act together.
>
> Not surprised really.
>
> Alan
>
> PS I would be interested to see a link to the special offer on Amazon.

Multiple Columns

[Robert Leif]

I have been unable to produce a 2 column poster from a single column page. I
changed the size of the page to 24 by 44 inches. Subsequently, I changed the
column layout to two columns separated by 0.5 inch. I set balance columns to
yes and then no. The flow wanders from column to column rather than first
filling the left column and then the right column. It also appears that
often, I now cannot increase the width of the page from 8.5 or 12 inches to
24 inches. This two column layout worked with FrameMaker 9 and its
precursors. Do I need to reinstall FrameMaker 9? Since the last versions of
FrameMaker were internet installations, I do not have a copy of FrameMaker
9. I need to produce this poster for a meeting that I will attend.

Thank you.

Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.

Vice President

Newport Instruments

3345 Hopi Place, 

San Diego, CA 92117-3516

Tel. (619)582-0437)

Email rleif at rleif.com



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