Re: Upgrade from FM8 to 11?

2012-10-12 Thread Robert Lauriston 
Reportedly not.

On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Keith Soltys keith.sol...@tmx.com wrote:
 Did it fix the issue that some people have reported about PDF production
 taking an order of magnitude longer in FM 11 than it did in FM 10?
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Re: Upgrade from FM8 to 11?

2012-10-12 Thread Linda Pelton 

Tim,

I currently own Frame 8 at home. Was upgraded from Frame 8 at work to 
Frame 10 because a newly acquired company writer had Frame 7. I still 
hate Frame 10. The pods are an abomination as far as I am concerned. 
Unless you unpod them, some of the dialogs which spawn an intermediate 
dialog, disappear without you having an opportunity to apply. Most of 
the time the keycodes don't work for applying paragraph or character 
formatting. I constantly click in the bottom bar to reactivate them - - 
double click here, double click there -- extra steps that were seamless 
in Frame 8. Half the time I find the pods in my way. Thank goodness I 
kept my Frame 8 active at home. I even went so far as to revert to Frame 
8 at the office for awhile, but with sharing files with two other 
writers that became more hassle than it was worth. I haven't had the 
book pdf issues, but our company has pretty ordinary books of 200 or so 
pages without complex formatting.


If I were you, I would stick with Frame 8 as long as you can.

Linda Pelton
Overture Networks, Inc.



On 10/11/2012 2:35 PM, LTC Writer wrote:


I've been reading the posts about the printing problems, especially 
when creating a PDF from a book. I was considering upgrading from 
version 8 to 11. I produce only PDFs for my clients. One client is now 
using version 10 but told me that I could continue using version 8, 
for now. I hope that when the time comes that I have to use a newer 
version for this client, Adobe will have fixed the problem.


Do you recommend I stick with my trusty version 8 or should I add 
version 11 to my tool set now?


Tim Lewis

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Re: Upgrade from FM8 to 11?

2012-10-12 Thread Steve Rickaby 
At 14:35 -0500 11/10/12, LTC Writer wrote:

Do you recommend I stick with my trusty version 8 or should I add version 11 
to my tool set now?

Tim: a general point - unless the new version (of anything) contains something 
you *must have*, IMHO it's always best to stick to what you know works.

The glaring exception to this is the situation in which by doing so you will 
lose your upgrade privileges due to being n versions behind the latest bu... 
er, current version. This applies to Adobe and to a few other software 
manufacturers.

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Re: Upgrade from FM8 to 11?

2012-10-12 Thread Roger Shuttleworth 
No it doesn't. Printing a document or book of over 100 pages to PDF 
takes 10 times as long as it did in FM9. Structure or unstructured, 
makes no difference. Also no difference whether you save as PDF, print 
to the Adobe PDF printer (assuming it hasn't uninstalled itself!), or 
print to PS and then distill.


Roger Shuttleworth
London, Canada


On 11/10/2012 4:07 PM, Keith Soltys wrote:


Did it fix the issue that some people have reported about PDF 
production taking an order of magnitude longer in FM 11 than it did in 
FM 10?


Keith

*From:*framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeff 
Coatsworth

*Sent:* Thursday, October 11, 2012 3:52 PM
*To:* framers@lists.frameusers.com
*Subject:* RE: Upgrade from FM8 to 11?

the 11.0.1 patch fixed it



*From:*framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] *On Behalf Of *LTC Writer

*Sent:* Thursday, October 11, 2012 3:36 PM
*To:* framers@lists.frameusers.com
*Subject:* Upgrade from FM8 to 11?

I've been reading the posts about the printing problems, especially 
when creating a PDF from a book. I was considering upgrading from 
version 8 to 11. I produce only PDFs for my clients. One client is now 
using version 10 but told me that I could continue using version 8, 
for now. I hope that when the time comes that I have to use a newer 
version for this client, Adobe will have fixed the problem.


Do you recommend I stick with my trusty version 8 or should I add 
version 11 to my tool set now?


Tim Lewis

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Re: Upgrade from FM8 to 11?

2012-10-12 Thread Robert Lauriston 
I have a long list of bugs that I encountered when I was trying to
arrange FM10's windows and dialogs / pods the way I like them.

I reset FM10 to its defaults, left the UI in its default state, and
gave up on keyboard shortcuts for most things, that works better.

I'd use FM8 if I had a copy. Much more efficient and stable.

On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 9:48 PM, Linda Pelton lapel...@gmail.com wrote:
 I currently own Frame 8 at home. Was upgraded from Frame 8 at work to Frame
 10 because a newly acquired company writer had Frame 7. I still hate Frame
 10. The pods are an abomination as far as I am concerned. Unless you unpod
 them, some of the dialogs which spawn an intermediate dialog, disappear
 without you having an opportunity to apply. ...
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Subject: FrameMaker 11.1 Update: some notes

2012-10-12 Thread Gay Alson 
Hi Rob,
Sorry for your problems with the upgrade--I haven't experienced those,
because we're happy enough to just Save As PDF for the majority of our
books. (I haven't printed to .ps since Adobe fixed the PDF issue a
couple years back...)
I'm writing again just to emphasize that my own problem wasn't really an
upgrade failure, just a UBD problem (User Brain Dead). I've gotten used
to double-clicking in a WinZip window to open files so I never save
locally anymore, and just didn't snap duh that I should do so for an
executable...
Again, though, Adobe deserves some thanks, both to Kapil Verma, as you
mentioned, and also to Vikram in TCS Support who was kind enough to
contact me and get me sorted out.
Hope you can solve your issues as quickly and easily!
Regards,
~~Gay
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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Rob Shell
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 2:16 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FrameMaker 11.1 Update: some notes

To Gay:
My sympathies on the upgrade failure.
The first problem that we were not notified automatically when using the
check for updates from FrameMaker itself.
If it was not for this list I would never have known about the update.
Thank you,  Kapil Verma. Having said that I did successfully install the
update. 
The new wrinkle in Winodows 7 was that two Adobe services have to be
disabled or suspended.
RS03 Middle tier service
and
RS03 Server service
The second thing I did was to disable my Norton antivirus for one hour.
Everything else was shut down.
I then installed the update with no problem.

However, the update does not fix all the big problems with FM11 book
functions.
Yes it does print to ps.
However, over 1,000 pages print to ps was as unstable as before the
update.

FrameMaker 11 is a huge step forward in terms of integration with other
TCS4, but FrameMaker 11.1must be able to perform its core book
functions.
Every hardcopy publisher I know must have perfect book print functions.
I would also like to make a distinction between crashes, when FM falls
over and gives a message and the more dangerous hang where one saves
the book and all the files and the blue circles keeps on turning without
saving.
Our attempts to have a real progress bar have come to naught. So FM11
does not print big books to ps and hangs while saving.
Anyone know where are the sample scripts or instructions not in the help
file for sure.
As ever
Unhappy camper
Rob Shell
Windows Seven
FrameMaker 9.1 patched
4 GB RAM
3 TB hd
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Re: Framemaker 8 freezing with Win7, do Frame 8 patches apply to Win7?

2012-10-12 Thread Theresa de Valence 

Lise,

I'm running 8.0p273 on Win 7 64 bit. I had trouble getting Frame running 
at the beginning. In the end I had to replace Acrobat 8 (Professional) 
with Acrobat X (which in many ways did not run as well).


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Upgrade from FM8 to 11?

2012-10-12 Thread Linda Pelton 
Tim,

I currently own Frame 8 at home. Was upgraded from Frame 8 at work to 
Frame 10 because a newly acquired company writer had Frame 7. I still 
hate Frame 10. The pods are an abomination as far as I am concerned. 
Unless you unpod them, some of the dialogs which spawn an intermediate 
dialog, disappear without you having an opportunity to apply. Most of 
the time the keycodes don't work for applying paragraph or character 
formatting. I constantly click in the bottom bar to reactivate them - - 
double click here, double click there -- extra steps that were seamless 
in Frame 8. Half the time I find the pods in my way. Thank goodness I 
kept my Frame 8 active at home. I even went so far as to revert to Frame 
8 at the office for awhile, but with sharing files with two other 
writers that became more hassle than it was worth. I haven't had the 
book pdf issues, but our company has pretty ordinary books of 200 or so 
pages without complex formatting.

If I were you, I would stick with Frame 8 as long as you can.

Linda Pelton
Overture Networks, Inc.



On 10/11/2012 2:35 PM, LTC Writer wrote:
>
> I've been reading the posts about the printing problems, especially 
> when creating a PDF from a book. I was considering upgrading from 
> version 8 to 11. I produce only PDFs for my clients. One client is now 
> using version 10 but told me that I could continue using version 8, 
> for now. I hope that when the time comes that I have to use a newer 
> version for this client, Adobe will have fixed the problem.
>
> Do you recommend I stick with my trusty version 8 or should I add 
> version 11 to my tool set now?
>
> Tim Lewis
>
> */Lewis Technical Communications, Inc./***
>
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Upgrade from FM8 to 11?

2012-10-12 Thread Steve Rickaby 
At 14:35 -0500 11/10/12, LTC Writer wrote:

>Do you recommend I stick with my trusty version 8 or should I add version 11 
>to my tool set now?

Tim: a general point - unless the new version (of anything) contains something 
you *must have*, IMHO it's always best to stick to what you know works.

The glaring exception to this is the situation in which by doing so you will 
lose your upgrade privileges due to being  versions behind the latest bu... 
er, current version. This applies to Adobe and to a few other software 
manufacturers.

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Upgrade from FM8 to 11? - Thanks

2012-10-12 Thread LTC Writer 
Thanks to all who responded. A reply from Harpreet, Adobe Support, says that
the printing issue has been fixed. The other replies are mixed. One of my
clients is using FM10 and eventually, I will not be able to create documents
for them in FM8. I expect I will be upgrading soon.

Tim Lewis
Lewis Technical Communications, Inc.

I previously wrote:
I've been reading the posts about the printing problems, especially when
creating a PDF from a book. I was considering upgrading from version 8 to
11. I produce only PDFs for my clients. One client is now using version 10
but told me that I could continue using version 8, for now. I hope that when
the time comes that I have to use a newer version for this client, Adobe
will have fixed the problem.

Do you recommend I stick with my trusty version 8 or should I add version 11
to my tool set now?

Upgrade from FM8 to 11?

2012-10-12 Thread Roger Shuttleworth 
No it doesn't. Printing a document or book of over 100 pages to PDF 
takes 10 times as long as it did in FM9. Structure or unstructured, 
makes no difference. Also no difference whether you save as PDF, print 
to the Adobe PDF printer (assuming it hasn't uninstalled itself!), or 
print to PS and then distill.

Roger Shuttleworth
London, Canada


On 11/10/2012 4:07 PM, Keith Soltys wrote:
>
> Did it fix the issue that some people have reported about PDF 
> production taking an order of magnitude longer in FM 11 than it did in 
> FM 10?
>
> Keith
>
> *From:*framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeff 
> Coatsworth
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 11, 2012 3:52 PM
> *To:* framers at lists.frameusers.com
> *Subject:* RE: Upgrade from FM8 to 11?
>
> the 11.0.1 patch fixed it
>
> 
>
> *From:*framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] *On Behalf Of *LTC Writer
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 11, 2012 3:36 PM
> *To:* framers at lists.frameusers.com
> *Subject:* Upgrade from FM8 to 11?
>
> I've been reading the posts about the printing problems, especially 
> when creating a PDF from a book. I was considering upgrading from 
> version 8 to 11. I produce only PDFs for my clients. One client is now 
> using version 10 but told me that I could continue using version 8, 
> for now. I hope that when the time comes that I have to use a newer 
> version for this client, Adobe will have fixed the problem.
>
> Do you recommend I stick with my trusty version 8 or should I add 
> version 11 to my tool set now?
>
> Tim Lewis
>
> */Lewis Technical Communications, Inc./***
>
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Upgrade from FM8 to 11?

2012-10-12 Thread Robert Lauriston 
I have a long list of bugs that I encountered when I was trying to
arrange FM10's windows and dialogs / pods the way I like them.

I reset FM10 to its defaults, left the UI in its default state, and
gave up on keyboard shortcuts for most things, that works better.

I'd use FM8 if I had a copy. Much more efficient and stable.

On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 9:48 PM, Linda Pelton  wrote:
> I currently own Frame 8 at home. Was upgraded from Frame 8 at work to Frame
> 10 because a newly acquired company writer had Frame 7. I still hate Frame
> 10. The pods are an abomination as far as I am concerned. Unless you unpod
> them, some of the dialogs which spawn an intermediate dialog, disappear
> without you having an opportunity to apply. ...

Subject: FrameMaker 11.1 Update: some notes

2012-10-12 Thread Gay Alson 
Hi Rob,
Sorry for your problems with the upgrade--I haven't experienced those,
because we're happy enough to just Save As PDF for the majority of our
books. (I haven't printed to .ps since Adobe fixed the PDF issue a
couple years back...)
I'm writing again just to emphasize that my own problem wasn't really an
upgrade failure, just a UBD problem (User Brain Dead). I've gotten used
to double-clicking in a WinZip window to open files so I never save
locally anymore, and just didn't snap  that I should do so for an
executable...
Again, though, Adobe deserves some thanks, both to Kapil Verma, as you
mentioned, and also to Vikram in TCS Support who was kind enough to
contact me and get me sorted out.
Hope you can solve your issues as quickly and easily!
Regards,
~~Gay
-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Rob Shell
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 2:16 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FrameMaker 11.1 Update: some notes

To Gay:
My sympathies on the upgrade failure.
The first problem that we were not notified automatically when using the
check for updates from FrameMaker itself.
If it was not for this list I would never have known about the update.
Thank you,  Kapil Verma. Having said that I did successfully install the
update. 
The new wrinkle in Winodows 7 was that two Adobe services have to be
disabled or suspended.
RS03 Middle tier service
and
RS03 Server service
The second thing I did was to disable my Norton antivirus for one hour.
Everything else was shut down.
I then installed the update with no problem.

However, the update does not fix all the big problems with FM11 book
functions.
Yes it does print to ps.
However, over 1,000 pages print to ps was as unstable as before the
update.

FrameMaker 11 is a huge step forward in terms of integration with other
TCS4, but FrameMaker 11.1must be able to perform its core book
functions.
Every hardcopy publisher I know must have perfect book print functions.
I would also like to make a distinction between "crashes", when FM falls
over and gives a message and the more dangerous "hang" where one saves
the book and all the files and the blue circles keeps on turning without
saving.
Our attempts to have a real progress bar have come to naught. So FM11
does not print big books to ps and hangs while saving.
Anyone know where are the sample scripts or instructions not in the help
file for sure.
As ever
Unhappy camper
Rob Shell
Windows Seven
FrameMaker 9.1 patched
4 GB RAM
3 TB hd
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Framemaker 8 freezing with Win7, do Frame 8 patches apply to Win7?

2012-10-12 Thread Theresa de Valence 
Lise,

I'm running 8.0p273 on Win 7 64 bit. I had trouble getting Frame running 
at the beginning. In the end I had to replace Acrobat 8 (Professional) 
with Acrobat X (which in many ways did not run as well).

Sorry that I can no longer remember the specifics, but you may feel 
assured that it will work someday soon!

Best,
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