Query about what happens in structured Frame
Hello Framers, I’m in need of some basic advice. I’ve been using Frame for 20 years but have not yet used structured Frame. My Frame is 8.0p273, Acrobat Professional is 10.1.7 From an eList about crime fiction, several authors are writing a collaborative mystery story. I’m organizing the story in Access. The story itself is in an rtf memo field called BookComponent.Storytext. My friend is writing VBA code to export Storytext to html (Storytext.html) but he has no familiarity with Frame. So far, he has exported to html which MS Word can read, then I can copy and paste into Frame—this is a bit too ugly for repetitive iterations. Both Rick Quatro and Shlomo Perets have offered help (services), but I don’t even understand what to ask for. If I understand correctly, what I should be able to do is to open structured Frame and introduce it to Storytext.html and somehow get all the h1 tags to convert to Heading1 paratags. Right? How could one phrase this better (so as to explain the process which happens)? I have been pointed here: C:\Program Files (x86)\Adobe\FrameMaker8\Structure\xml\xhtml\app\template but as there is nothing in the template, I don’t understand what to do with it. FrameMaker 8’s User Guide is not helpful. Could a kindly Framer point me to a sample which I could study? Thanks in advance, Theresa P.S. If you want to read the cool mystery story it’s in a pdf on this page: http://www.reviewsbytdev.com/content/Whos-Murdering-Crime-Fiction ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Query about what happens in structured Frame
Hi Theresa, Here is the document you need to start with: http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/8.0/structapp_dev.pdf This will give you information on working with structured FrameMaker and structured applications. When you need reference information, you can use this: http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/8.0/structapp_dev_ref.pdf As far as your project, what you need is to have the XHTML EDD and template modified to match your existing unstructured template. Your Access developer should be able to produce valid XHTML from the Access data. You would then open the XHTML export from Access in FrameMaker, and the formatting should be pretty much done. Since you have a lot of FrameMaker experience, you can probably figure it out with the documentation above. Because there is already an XHTML application in FrameMaker 8, you don't have to start from scratch anyway. Another approach would be to hire someone to help you modify the existing application. I would certainly be willing to do some live sessions where you could watch me make the modifications via web meetings. Then you can learn at the same time as the job is getting done. When you feel comfortable, you could finish it up yourself. I can't speak for Shlomo, but he does a lot of working web meetings, and may be willing to do the same thing. If you are looking for free help, you can certainly post questions here as you read the documentation and start experimenting. Please let me know if you have any questions or comments. Thank you very much. Rick Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-283-5045 r...@frameexpert.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Theresa de Valence Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 3:50 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Query about what happens in structured Frame Hello Framers, I'm in need of some basic advice. I've been using Frame for 20 years but have not yet used structured Frame. My Frame is 8.0p273, Acrobat Professional is 10.1.7 From an eList about crime fiction, several authors are writing a collaborative mystery story. I'm organizing the story in Access. The story itself is in an rtf memo field called BookComponent.Storytext. My friend is writing VBA code to export Storytext to html (Storytext.html) but he has no familiarity with Frame. So far, he has exported to html which MS Word can read, then I can copy and paste into Frame-this is a bit too ugly for repetitive iterations. Both Rick Quatro and Shlomo Perets have offered help (services), but I don't even understand what to ask for. If I understand correctly, what I should be able to do is to open structured Frame and introduce it to Storytext.html and somehow get all the h1 tags to convert to Heading1 paratags. Right? How could one phrase this better (so as to explain the process which happens)? I have been pointed here: C:\Program Files (x86)\Adobe\FrameMaker8\Structure\xml\xhtml\app\template but as there is nothing in the template, I don't understand what to do with it. FrameMaker 8's User Guide is not helpful. Could a kindly Framer point me to a sample which I could study? Thanks in advance, Theresa P.S. If you want to read the cool mystery story it's in a pdf on this page: http://www.reviewsbytdev.com/content/Whos-Murdering-Crime-Fiction ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as r...@rickquatro.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/rick%40rickquatro.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Query about what happens in structured Frame
At 14:49 -0500 14/6/13, Theresa de Valence wrote: I'm in need of some basic advice. I've been using Frame for 20 years but have not yet used structured Frame. My Frame is 8.0p273, Acrobat Professional is 10.1.7. As well as the excellent advice Rick has given you, you can download a series of articles from my LinkedIn page on migrating from unstructured FrameMaker to structured FrameMaker. I wrote these a few years back after going through the same learning process as you, to provide a basic guide to structured FrameMaker for anyone already familiar with unstructured FrameMaker. Hope this helps. -- Steve Rickaby http://www.linkedin.com/in/steverickaby WordMongers Ltdhttp://www.wordmongers.com Registered office Larks Cottage, Treen, St Levan, Penzance TR19 6LG Registered in the UK, company number 3130681, VAT reg no GB 557 4598 91 Telephone: 01 736 810575 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Query about what happens in structured Frame
There are a number of things new to Fm11 that can help with this task, if you are looking to work within the constraints of DITA.The Fm 11 Reviewer's Guide (written in DITA) will explain a few of the concepts, including Smart Paste, and XSLT from HTML to other content models.You'll find the RG athttp://wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/products/framemaker/pdf/FRAMEMAKER11_REVIEWERS_GUIDE.PDF -MattMatt R. Sullivanco-authorPublishing Fundamentals: Unstructured FrameMaker 11P:714.798.7596 |C:714.585.2335 |m...@mattrsullivan.com@mattrsullivanLinkedInfacebookmattrsullivan.com On Jun 14, 2013, at 12:49 PM, Theresa de Valence t...@bstw.com wrote:So far, he has exported to html which MS Word can read, then I can copy and paste into Frame—this is a bit too ugly for repetitive iterations. Both Rick Quatro and Shlomo Perets have offered help (services), but I don’t even understand what to ask for.If I understand correctly, what I should be able to do is to open structured Frame and introduce it to Storytext.html and somehow get all the h1 tags to convert to Heading1 paratags. Right? How could one phrase this better (so as to explain the process which happens)?I have been pointed here:C:\Program Files (x86)\Adobe\FrameMaker8\Structure\xml\xhtml\app\templatebut as there is nothing in the template, I don’t understand what to do with it.FrameMaker 8’s User Guide is not helpful.___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Query about what happens in structured Frame
Hi Steve, I planned to download the articles you mentioned in your response to Theresa. However, only the first article in your LinkedIn publications list is hyperlinked so that it can be downloaded. I'm not sure if this is because I use only the free LinkedIn account or if it is a restriction on your end of LinkedIn. Do you know what the problem might be? No, but LinkedIn keeps changing its page structure and stuff. Now that I come to look at the current page, *I* cant see the files download area at all. Bah. I'll e-mail you the complete archive off-list. -- Steve [Trim e-mails: use less disk, use less power, use less planet] ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Query about what happens in structured Frame
Hi Steve, I planned to download the articles you mentioned in your response to Theresa. However, only the first article in your LinkedIn publications list is hyperlinked so that it can be downloaded. I'm not sure if this is because I use only the free LinkedIn account or if it is a restriction on your end of LinkedIn. Do you know what the problem might be? Carol At 11:00 AM 6/15/2013, you wrote: At 14:49 -0500 14/6/13, Theresa de Valence wrote: I'm in need of some basic advice. I've been using Frame for 20 years but have not yet used structured Frame. My Frame is 8.0p273, Acrobat Professional is 10.1.7. As well as the excellent advice Rick has given you, you can download a series of articles from my LinkedIn page on migrating from unstructured FrameMaker to structured FrameMaker. I wrote these a few years back after going through the same learning process as you, to provide a basic guide to structured FrameMaker for anyone already familiar with unstructured FrameMaker. ** Carol J. Elkins---A Written Word LLC Making Information Understandable Phone: 719-948-3773 mailto:celk...@awrittenword.com http://www.awrittenword.com *** -- Steve [Trim e-mails: use less disk, use less power, use less planet] ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Query about what happens in structured Frame
Hi Theresa, Here is the document you need to start with: http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/8.0/structapp_dev.pdf This will give you information on working with structured FrameMaker and structured applications. When you need reference information, you can use this: http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/8.0/structapp_dev_ref.pdf As far as your project, what you need is to have the XHTML EDD and template modified to match your existing unstructured template. Your Access developer should be able to produce valid XHTML from the Access data. You would then open the XHTML export from Access in FrameMaker, and the formatting should be pretty much done. Since you have a lot of FrameMaker experience, you can probably figure it out with the documentation above. Because there is already an XHTML application in FrameMaker 8, you don't have to start from scratch anyway. Another approach would be to hire someone to help you modify the existing application. I would certainly be willing to do some "live" sessions where you could watch me make the modifications via web meetings. Then you can learn at the same time as the job is getting done. When you feel comfortable, you could finish it up yourself. I can't speak for Shlomo, but he does a lot of working web meetings, and may be willing to do the same thing. If you are looking for "free" help, you can certainly post questions here as you read the documentation and start experimenting. Please let me know if you have any questions or comments. Thank you very much. Rick Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-283-5045 rick at frameexpert.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Theresa de Valence Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 3:50 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Query about what happens in structured Frame Hello Framers, I'm in need of some basic advice. I've been using Frame for >20 years but have not yet used structured Frame. My Frame is 8.0p273, Acrobat Professional is 10.1.7 From an eList about crime fiction, several authors are writing a collaborative mystery story. I'm organizing the story in Access. The story itself is in an rtf memo field called BookComponent.Storytext. My friend is writing VBA code to export Storytext to html (Storytext.html) but he has no familiarity with Frame. So far, he has exported to html which MS Word can read, then I can copy and paste into Frame-this is a bit too ugly for repetitive iterations. Both Rick Quatro and Shlomo Perets have offered help (services), but I don't even understand what to ask for. If I understand correctly, what I should be able to do is to open structured Frame and introduce it to Storytext.html and somehow get all the tags to convert to paratags. Right? How could one phrase this better (so as to explain the process which happens)? I have been pointed here: C:\Program Files (x86)\Adobe\FrameMaker8\Structure\xml\xhtml\app\template but as there is nothing in the template, I don't understand what to do with it. FrameMaker 8's User Guide is not helpful. Could a kindly Framer point me to a sample which I could study? Thanks in advance, Theresa P.S. If you want to read the cool mystery story it's in a pdf on this page: http://www.reviewsbytdev.com/content/Whos-Murdering-Crime-Fiction ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as rick at rickquatro.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/rick%40rickquatro.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Query about what happens in structured Frame
There are a number of things new to Fm11 that can help with this task, if you are looking to work within the constraints of DITA. The Fm 11 Reviewer's Guide (written in DITA) will explain a few of the concepts, including Smart Paste, and XSLT from HTML to other content models. You'll find the RG at http://wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/products/framemaker/pdf/FRAMEMAKER11_REVIEWERS_GUIDE.PDF -Matt Matt R. Sullivan co-author Publishing Fundamentals: Unstructured FrameMaker 11 P: 714.798.7596 | C: 714.585.2335 | matt at mattrsullivan.com @mattrsullivan LinkedIn facebook mattrsullivan.com On Jun 14, 2013, at 12:49 PM, Theresa de Valence wrote: > So far, he has exported to html which MS Word can read, then I can copy and > paste into Frame?this is a bit too ugly for repetitive iterations. Both Rick > Quatro and Shlomo Perets have offered help (services), but I don?t even > understand what to ask for. > > If I understand correctly, what I should be able to do is to open structured > Frame and introduce it to Storytext.html and somehow get all the tags to > convert to paratags. Right? How could one phrase this better (so > as to explain the process which happens)? > > I have been pointed here: > C:\Program Files (x86)\Adobe\FrameMaker8\Structure\xml\xhtml\app\template > but as there is nothing in the template, I don?t understand what to do with > it. > > FrameMaker 8?s User Guide is not helpful. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130615/214fb5b6/attachment.html> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: twitter.png Type: image/png Size: 1331 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130615/214fb5b6/attachment.png> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: linkedin.png Type: image/png Size: 1380 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130615/214fb5b6/attachment-0001.png> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: facebook.png Type: image/png Size: 1576 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130615/214fb5b6/attachment-0002.png> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: blog.png Type: image/png Size: 1222 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130615/214fb5b6/attachment-0003.png>
Query about what happens in structured Frame
>Hi Steve, > >I planned to download the articles you mentioned in your response to Theresa. >However, only the first article in your LinkedIn publications list is >hyperlinked so that it can be downloaded. I'm not sure if this is because I >use only the free LinkedIn account or if it is a restriction on your end of >LinkedIn. Do you know what the problem might be? No, but LinkedIn keeps changing its page structure and stuff. Now that I come to look at the current page, *I* cant see the files download area at all. Bah. I'll e-mail you the complete archive off-list. -- Steve [Trim e-mails: use less disk, use less power, use less planet]
Query about what happens in structured Frame
>Hi Steve, > >I planned to download the articles you mentioned in your response to Theresa. >However, only the first article in your LinkedIn publications list is >hyperlinked so that it can be downloaded. I'm not sure if this is because I >use only the free LinkedIn account or if it is a restriction on your end of >LinkedIn. Do you know what the problem might be? > >Carol > >At 11:00 AM 6/15/2013, you wrote: >>At 14:49 -0500 14/6/13, Theresa de Valence wrote: >> >>>I'm in need of some basic advice. I've been using Frame for >20 years but >>>have not yet used structured Frame. My Frame is 8.0p273, Acrobat >>>Professional is 10.1.7. >> >>As well as the excellent advice Rick has given you, you can download a series >>of articles from my LinkedIn page on migrating from unstructured FrameMaker >>to structured FrameMaker. I wrote these a few years back after going through >>the same learning process as you, to provide a basic guide to structured >>FrameMaker for anyone already familiar with unstructured FrameMaker. > >** >Carol J. Elkins---A Written Word LLC >Making Information Understandable >Phone: 719-948-3773 >mailto:celkins at awrittenword.com >http://www.awrittenword.com >*** -- Steve [Trim e-mails: use less disk, use less power, use less planet]
Query about what happens in structured Frame
Theresa, I remember learning Frame for the first time in 2006. Many long days at the PC that summer. I went straight into structured Frame to print large (1,200 page) XML documents to PDF for commercial printing. These documents were already being transformed to HTML and another CD publishing format called Folio Views that we have used since 1990. I've slowly learned many of the unstructured basics over the years, but it's mostly just open the file in Frame, make a few image, table and page numbering adjustments and click print. If you are not familiar with XML, DTD, XHTML, XSLT, CSS, EDD and Read/Write rules what you may need is a "concept" overview. Myself, I find it difficult to request help or oversee a project if the terminology does not fit together in my mind and flow off of my tongue freely. We author, track, and translate documents using an in-house application that stores the content in a SQL Server database. The data is exported out of the database to a single XML file and transformed to XHTML for web publishing, or opened directly into Frame and printed to a PDF file for commercial printing of hardcopy books. I am not looking for work and don't have time to teach you the details, but I am willing to connect via a meeting app and show you the components of the DB to XML/HTML to Frame process. Ed Nodland On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Theresa de Valence wrote: > Hello Framers, > > I?m in need of some basic advice. I?ve been using Frame for >20 years but > have not yet used structured Frame. My Frame is 8.0p273, Acrobat > Professional is 10.1.7 > > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130615/d7e93c3e/attachment.html>
