Re: Font issues
In addition to Mike's excellent analysis... depending on the age and type of system the original was created on, it's quite possible that the font whatever it is (and I agree with Mike, it ain's TNR), is a system font, from Apple, Windows XP, or some other vendor. For instance, if your FM tag calls for Time, Times NR, or another vendor's version would be substituted if Times isn't available -- and vice versa -- if TNR isn't available, something will be substituted. Second... if you have Acrobat, you should be able to see what font is in use for a passage, what fonts are embedded, the type of system the file was built on and other info about how it was created. That should help you track down what's actually happening. Art Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 I support www.TheGrotonLine.com, hyperlocal news for Groton MA. On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 11:42 PM, Mike Wickham i...@mikewickham.com wrote: The font is different in those two samples, and neither one of them appears to be Times New Roman. So check to be sure you are using the font that you think you are. Also, make sure that Adobe PDF is set as your default printer when working in FM, or the PDF output may not match what you see in FM. The print driver can affect the fonts available. The free SetPrint utility will set Adobe PDF as the default printer, without altering the default for any other Windows programs. (http://sundorne.com/**FrameMaker/Freeware/setPrint.**htmhttp://sundorne.com/FrameMaker/Freeware/setPrint.htm ) Make sure your font is actually installed on your computer. If you have a printer besides Adobe PDF set as the default in FM, then FM can see and use its printer resident fonts-- that is, fonts that are hard-wired inside the printer and available for printing _on that printer_, but not necessarily installed on the computer where they would be available to embed in a PDF. If the font isn't actually installed on the computer-- usually in the \windows\fonts folder-- the PDF will be forced to substitute with something else. Make sure your font is set to embed in the PDF. If you have Acrobat, you use Acrobat Distiller to do this, editing the appropriate settings file. The High Quality Print settings file has all fonts set to embed, unless someone altered it. You also might trying printing to the Adobe PDF virtual printer, rather than using Save as PDF. You didn't mention which FrameMaker version you have, but Save as PDF was highly unreliable in older versions-- so much so that all the gurus warned to avoid it. Anyway, those are some starting places to look. Mike Wickham On 7/18/2013 6:29 PM, Chris Coggins wrote: Attached are two screen caps of a portion of text: 1 is the resultant PDF from a Framemaker file recreating a source document, the other is from the source document itself. The fonts are the same on both documents (10pt TNR), so why do they come out looking so small in the frame document? Frame font is TNR 10pt, 0% Spread, 100% Stretch, 12 pt Line Spacing. PDF was generated via save-as PDF command, High Quality Print setting in both frame and distiller. What should I do differently to make the PDF from Framemaker match the source? __**_ You are currently subscribed to framers as art.campb...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe@lists.**frameusers.comframers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/**mailman/options/framers/art.** campbell%40gmail.comhttp://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Can't enter alpha character in text
For years I have used a software product called PopChar. I displays all the characters in a font and by clicking on the character it will place it in your application. Here is the URL: http://www.ergonis.com/products/popcharx/. It works on MAC and PC. Z -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 2:46 PM To: Nancy Allison; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Can't enter alpha character in text Are you sure there's an alpha in the font you're using? You can inspect it with Windows' Character Map utility. It will indicate the key sequence to type it in the status bar. If you're using a Unicode font, 097 is wrong. Use one of the methods documented here: http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/3b1/index.htm Or just cut and paste from the browser test page that links to. On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Nancy Allison ma...@verizon.net wrote: Hi, all. I use FM 10 on a Windows 7 system. I am wasting way, way too much time trying to accomplish a simple thing: I am trying to insert a lower case alpha (looks like a fish, or a lower-case a) into text. The key code Numlock-alt-097, provided in the FrameMaker 9 special character set does not work (it comes out as an x). ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as azdunc...@triad.rr.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/azdunczyk%40triad.rr.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Fonts, Character Sets, Unicode and UTF-8 Explained
There are a couple of postings about this topic, and I have certainly spent many hours fighting with special character issues and stray ? Åö ☐ characters. A couple weeks back I prepared an explanation for a question I received about a subscript3 ³ getting messed up in a complex processing flow through many programs, spreadsheets, databases, editors and browsers. I think this information could be helpful for many others, and I may have more to understand so feel free to correct or clarify. This is a bit long. I hope I'm not violating a forum rule. Due to the mix of authoring, editing, transfer, storage and processing programs and software, and the legacy techniques, data markup, and older programs the character issue becomes a bit complex. Framemaker 9.0 and up can handle UTF-8 encoded character data. Unicode 6.0 and ISO/IEC 10646:2010 defines 109,449 code points, values ( i.e. characters). That's far more than the basic 256 ANSI characters that include most of the western European characters used for the French, Spanish, and other languages. The 256 ANSI characters are represented using the values, a.k.a. code points, between 32 and 255, or in Unicode hexadecimal representation U+0020 to U+00FF. Many other characters have values above the basic 256 characters that can be troublesome such as: ☢ ≤ ≥ ∂ ∆ € ℓ ∑ ☒ £ ₇ ⁸ √x₍̅₁̅₂̅₃₎̅ № ℥ ℃ ⅓ ⅘ ⅚ ⅞ ↺ ✔☑ ☐ ✈ ど カ ␍␊ Just in case e-mail messes up the characters above, here is an image of the characters. [image: Inline image 1] There are five parts to the character puzzle: 1) The value used to represent a character. ASCII, ANSI, UNICODE. (I recommend using *Unicode*) 2) The encoding, or how the character's value is stored using 1, 2, 3, or 4 bytes. Where a byte is 8 bits, ones and zeros. (I recommend *UTF-8*) 3) The font. The set of glyphs that define how the characters will appear. (I recommend a *Unicode / UTF-8 based font*) 4) The character set declarations in XML, XSL, CSS, HTML, and software coding options for file open, read and write statements. 5) The capabilities and limitations of various programs (browsers, spreadsheets, editors, etc.) and data transfer methods. The 1963 ASCII standard character set used a 7-bit encoding and hence was limited to 128 values, 2⁷. Later the ANSI standard used all 8 bits providing 2⁸ or 256 codepoints or characters (0 - 255) In order to display mathematical or other special symbols not defined by the ASCII or ANSI standards, custom fonts were developed such as Symbol, Wingdings and Wingdings2 that displayed the limited 256 values differently. So π, pi, could be displayed in a browser using font face=symbolp/font or in MS Word by changing the font for the character with the value of 112, i.e the p in a Symbol font. So the value of 112 is not always a p unless a font is being used that assigns the p glyph to the decimal value of 112 (hex x0070). Using the Symbol font, 112 is a pi symbol π, and in Wingding3 font it is solid triangle ▲. Unicode is the set of values assigned to characters using 20 bits providing 2²⁰ or 1,112,064 codepoints. Unicode 6.0 and ISO/IEC 10646:2010 defines 109,449 characters all with unique codepoint values. In Unicode pi is U+03C0 (960 decimal) and the triangle is U+25B2 (9,650 decimal). It is customary to represent the Unicode values as hexadecimal preceeded by U+. Since codepoints 03C0 (960) and 25B2 (9,650) cannot be stored using 1-byte,i.e. 8 bits, multiple bytes are required. This is where encoding comes in. ANSI, ISO-1252, UTF-8, UTF-16, UTF-32 are encodings, i.e the way that the values are stored using 8, 16, 24, or 32 bits (ones and zeros). ASCII uses 7 bits and is limited to 128 characters. ANSI and ISO-1252 are 1 byte encodings that use all 8 bits with a limit of 256 codepoint values. UTF-8 uses 1 byte for the first 128 characters and then uses 2, 3, or 4 bytes as required. UTF-16 always uses 16 bits, 2-bytes, unless more are required and UTF-32 always uses 4 bytes even for the basic 256 characters. See the UTF-8 reference below for details on the binary encoding. UTF stands for Unicode Transformation Format. The UTF encodings all assume the Unicode codepoint values are being used. Then there is the font. If the font does not have a glyph defined for the character codepoint (value) it will typically display as a box or a question mark.* Arial Unicode MS* is a Windows font that supports glyphs for most of the first 65,533 Unicode codepoints.* Verdana* defines 780 Unicode codepoints while *Century Schoolbook* defines 650 Unicode codepoints and 20 Private Use glyphs. The basic 256 characters are the same between the three fonts, not the appearance but an a is an a. T the rest character in each font use the save values but each font contains a different collection of values and characters. One may contain the infinity symol while another may not. When a single character displays likes Åö it is due to mismatched encoding, not the font. When a character's
Adobe Tech Comm Content Strategy and Tools Survey
Done: Some interesting and leading questions. I note that the company will not notify competition winners directly, but that the participants must remember to contact the contact from 1 October. Bit dodgy really. "The Winner?s details will be published on our blog https://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/ and also on the following public forums for a period of one month. Twitter URL: https://twitter.com/AdobeTCS Facebook URL: https://www.facebook.com/adobetcs LinkedIn URL: http://www.linkedin.com/groups/Adobe-Technical-Communications-Professionals-Group-2381149/about; Alan Dr Alan Litchfield AlphaByte PO Box 1941 Auckland, New Zealand 1140 On 19/07/2013, at 8:26 PM, "Reng, Dr. Winfried" wrote: > Hi, > > Adobe conducts a "Adobe Tech Comm Content Strategy and Tools Survey". > The link is below. > If you want to vote for/against any specific licensing models, then here is > the place to tell directly to Adobe. > > Best regards > > Winfried > > -Original Message- > From: frameusers-de at googlegroups.com [mailto:frameusers-de at > googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Stephan Will > Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 10:07 PM > To: frameusers-de at googlegroups.com > Subject: [frameusers-de] Adobe TCS Umfrage > > Hallo in die Runde, > > das Adobe TCS Team hat eine Umfrage ins Netz gestellt (auf Englisch). > Siehe > http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2013/07/adobe-tech-comm-content-strategy-and-tools-survey-launched.html > > Eine Frage bezieht sich auch auf die Akzeptanz des Abo-Modells f?r > zuk?nftige TCS-Versionen. > > Gru? > Stephan > > > > This e-mail contains privileged and confidential information intended for the > use of the addressees named above. If you are not the intended recipient of > this e-mail, you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or > take any action in respect of any information contained in it. If you have > received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail > and immediately destroy this e-mail and its attachments. > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as alan at alphabyte.co.nz. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/alan%40alphabyte.co.nz > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Font issues
In addition to Mike's excellent analysis... depending on the age and type of system the original was created on, it's quite possible that the font whatever it is (and I agree with Mike, it ain's TNR), is a system font, from Apple, Windows XP, or some other vendor. For instance, if your FM tag calls for Time, Times NR, or another vendor's version would be substituted if Times isn't available -- and vice versa -- if TNR isn't available, something will be substituted. Second... if you have Acrobat, you should be able to see what font is in use for a passage, what fonts are embedded, the type of system the file was built on and other info about how it was created. That should help you track down what's actually happening. Art Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 I support www.TheGrotonLine.com, hyperlocal news for Groton MA. On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 11:42 PM, Mike Wickham wrote: > The font is different in those two samples, and neither one of them > appears to be Times New Roman. > > So check to be sure you are using the font that you think you are. Also, > make sure that Adobe PDF is set as your default printer when working in FM, > or the PDF output may not match what you see in FM. The print driver can > affect the fonts available. The free SetPrint utility will set Adobe PDF as > the default printer, without altering the default for any other Windows > programs. > (http://sundorne.com/**FrameMaker/Freeware/setPrint.**htm<http://sundorne.com/FrameMaker/Freeware/setPrint.htm> > ) > > Make sure your font is actually installed on your computer. If you have a > printer besides Adobe PDF set as the default in FM, then FM can see and use > its "printer resident" fonts-- that is, fonts that are hard-wired inside > the printer and available for printing _on that printer_, but not > necessarily installed on the computer where they would be available to > embed in a PDF. If the font isn't actually installed on the computer-- > usually in the \windows\fonts folder-- the PDF will be forced to substitute > with something else. > > Make sure your font is set to embed in the PDF. If you have Acrobat, you > use Acrobat Distiller to do this, editing the appropriate settings file. > The High Quality Print settings file has all fonts set to embed, unless > someone altered it. > > You also might trying printing to the Adobe PDF virtual printer, rather > than using Save as PDF. You didn't mention which FrameMaker version you > have, but Save as PDF was highly unreliable in older versions-- so much so > that all the gurus warned to avoid it. > > Anyway, those are some starting places to look. > > Mike Wickham > > > On 7/18/2013 6:29 PM, Chris Coggins wrote: > >> Attached are two screen caps of a portion of text: 1 is the resultant PDF >> from a Framemaker file recreating a source document, the other is from the >> source document itself. The fonts are the same on both documents (10pt >> TNR), so why do they come out looking so small in the frame document? >> >> Frame font is TNR 10pt, 0% Spread, 100% Stretch, 12 pt Line Spacing. PDF >> was generated via save-as PDF command, High Quality Print setting in both >> frame and distiller. >> >> What should I do differently to make the PDF from Framemaker match the >> source? >> >> > > __**_ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as art.campbell at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.**frameusers.com lists.frameusers.com> > or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/**mailman/options/framers/art.** > campbell%40gmail.com<http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com> > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130720/0da8fd11/attachment.html>
Can't enter alpha character in text
For years I have used a software product called PopChar. I displays all the characters in a font and by clicking on the character it will place it in your application. Here is the URL: http://www.ergonis.com/products/popcharx/. It works on MAC and PC. Z -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 2:46 PM To: Nancy Allison; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Can't enter alpha character in text Are you sure there's an alpha in the font you're using? You can inspect it with Windows' Character Map utility. It will indicate the key sequence to type it in the status bar. If you're using a Unicode font, 097 is wrong. Use one of the methods documented here: http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/3b1/index.htm Or just cut and paste from the "browser test page" that links to. On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Nancy Allison wrote: > Hi, all. I use FM 10 on a Windows 7 system. > > I am wasting way, way too much time trying to accomplish a simple > thing: I am trying to insert a lower case alpha (looks like a fish, or > a lower-case > a) into text. > > The key code Numlock-alt-097, provided in the FrameMaker 9 special > character set does not work (it comes out as an "x"). ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as azdunczyk at triad.rr.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/azdunczyk%40triad.rr.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Font issues
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Fonts, Character Sets, Unicode and UTF-8 Explained
lays likes ?? it is due to mismatched encoding, not the font. When a character's codepoint is larger than 127, U+007F, and is saved to a file as UTF-8 it uses 2 or 3 bytes. If a program such as a browser, editor or spreadsheet is expecting, reading, and displaying the data as individual single byte characters data such as ANSI, then the 2 bytes are displayed as if there are 2 characters. In other words the 16 binary ones and zeros are not decoded incorrectly to represent two or three characters and the wrong font glyphs are displayed resulting in the ?? looking stuff. I am trying to move to using Unicode codepoints, UTF-8 encoding, and a compatible fonts for everything I do, but its not easy. When the codepoint for a character creates a problem in one of the storage, transfer, or processing programs my solution was to use a named entity such as for the less-than-equal-to symbol and transform the to a character, a character wrapped in a Symbol font, a numeric entitiy for HTML, or use a Framemaker Read/Write rule. In the past I also used named entities for many of the western European characters such as Now that I understand more I no longer need to do that as much. I still use named entities like in some of my XML data, but convert them to Unicode values for Framemaker and HTML product files and use either the Arial Unicode MS or MS Gothic fonts for those characters. I could use the numeric entities in my XML but it makes authoring difficult since looking at &2264; doesn't tell me what the character is supposed to be as well as the . In addition some processes will convert the numeric entities to the actual character and then subsequent programs might choke and convert the character to a question mark. So the conversion to numeric entities is always near the last step in my processing. My goal is to someday use every character directly, and have it transfer correctly between text editors, document and publication editors, spreadsheets, databases, browsers and book readers. Some software and operating systems have to catch up to the Unicode and UTF-8 standard. I also just learned that in MS Word I can enter a Unicode value like 2264 or 2A81 then press Alt-x and it converts the value to the Unicode character using the MS Gothic font when required. I also use http://graphemica.com<http://graphemica.com/%E2%89%A4> to look up Unicode values by searching for the character, value or name, such as ?, 221E, or infinity Codepoints (a.k.a character values), encoding and fonts cover the first three parts of the puzzle. Parts 4 and 5 of the "character" puzzle have to do with file declaration, programming statements, and understanding software limitations. An XML UTF-8 file must include the declaration A HTML5 UTF-8 file must include A HTML4 and XHTML UTF-8 file must include And, the files must be *saved as UTF-8* if that is what is intended. To open and edit HTML files saved as UTF-8 using some text editors the file must also include the XML declaration described above. These declarations tell browsers, editors, and other software what the encoding is or the program may assume it's encoded as ANSI using one byte for each character. Many programs will detect the UTF-8 encoding when opening a file, but some may have to have an option selected. When saving a file in other than the native format, such as saving a new text file in TextPad, saving an Excel spreadsheet as a Tab Delimited file, or copying and pasting from one program to another special options and setting may have to be specified. Writing javascript, Perl, C#, Visual basic or other programs will require that the files are opened for reading or writing, and then data read and written using the appropriate options for ANSI, UTF-8 or another encoding encoding as required. I use Structured Framemaker to open and produce PDF files for publications that are maintained as single source XML files. So I can't really make specific Framemaker .FM encoding recommendations, but I think FM, as of version 9, saves files as UTF-8 and can support the Unicode character values. If single source data is being used for multiple processing streams, then the source data must be such that it can be transformed to support the limitations of software, programs, and processes that consume and display the data. I think Unicode and UTF-8 encoding are the best standards to use at this time. If the hexadecimal numbers like 2A3B are messing with your brain I can provide some insight on the decimal, binary, hexadecimal, byte, and bit jargon as well, but I'd probably take it off line since it's not Frame specific. Ed Nodland *Additional References* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicode https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTF-8 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Unicode_encodings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Character_encoding -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.c
