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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 7.2 Not Responding on New

2016-03-03 Thread Robert Lauriston

I use whatever works best and replace it when I find something better,
provided it's cost-effective.

Some of my software is the latest version, some is a couple of years
behind, some is vintage. For my purposes Photoshop 5 and Acrobat 8 are
usually more efficient than the latest versions, which I have if I
need them.

If my company had a lot of docs in FrameMaker 7.2, I'd make sure I had
a proven migration strategy, since if your tools get too far out of
date migrating may become harder. The latest version of Flare can
import FM 7 through 12.

On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 1:56 PM,   wrote:
> So your philosophy is to hold on tight to your antiquated skills and pray
> you never get laid off?
>
> Good luck with that.
>
> -Gillian
> 
> From: "Robert Lauriston" 
> To: "framers" 
> Sent: Thursday, March 3, 2016 10:04:59 AM
>
> Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 7.2 Not Responding on New
>
> Unstructured FrameMaker hasn't really changed much since version
> 5.5.6. There are some useful new features layered on top, but if you
> know how to use any version you can quickly get up to speed on any
> other. Any competent hiring manager should know that.
>
> If the company is using DITA (highly unlikely given they're on 7.2),
> upgrading to FrameMaker 13 wouldn't magically change the source.
>
> In any case, "I need to upgrade to the latest version to keep my
> skills up to date" seems like a nonstarter argument. If you want your
> company to buy new software, you need to justify the cost with some
> alleged benefits. And if you did a cost-benefit analysis of
> alternatives to FM 7.2, FM 13 would not necessarily be the best
> choice.
>
> On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 9:51 AM,   wrote:
>> What if Kevin gets laid off, or his company goes under? Do you really
>> think he'll be able to find another job only knowing Frame 7.2? He's
>> competing against people who know the latest version of Frame, and DITA. He
>> will be unemployed for a long time. That's why he needs to upgrade to the
>> latest version, to keep his skills up to date.
>>
>> -Gillian
>> - Original Message -
>>
>> From: "John Sgammato" 
>> To: "Gillian Flato" 
>> Cc: "framers" , "Kevin Ryan"
>> 
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2016 7:04:27 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 7.2 Not Responding on New
>>
>>
>>
>> ...and professional writers are most productive with professional grade
>> tools!
>> On Mar 2, 2016 7:43 PM, < gill6...@comcast.net > wrote:
>>
>>
>> Kevin,
>>
>> Just tell your company to upgrade you to the latest version. There is no
>> benefit to you, or the company, trying to get ancient software to work on a
>> modern PC. And yes, Frame 7.2 is ancient.
>>
>> -Gillian
>>
>> - Original Message -
>>
>> From: "Kevin Ryan" < kevin.r...@systemsandsoftware.net >
>> To: "framers" < framers@lists.frameusers.com >
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2016 1:48:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 7.2 Not Responding on New
>>
>> Thanks, Robert. More pieces of the puzzle. I do remember turning off Aero
>> for my "old/good" computer's FrameMaker a few years ago (though I can't
>> remember why), but have not done so on my "new/bad" computer. I will now.
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 7.2 Not Responding on New PC

2016-03-03 Thread Kevin Ryan

Thanks again to those who've offered constructive assistance with my FrameMaker 
7.2 "Not Responding" issue-and to Gillian for considerately alerting me of my 
backwardness and future unemployability.  

I actually AM considering an upgrade to the current FrameMaker version, as it 
does perform better for a particular conversion I may need to run more 
frequently soon. But basically version 7.2 has been a work horse that has met 
our needs well.  I have nothing but respect for it.

I'd like to suggest that this particular thread has run its course and should 
end. It seems to have become a vehicle for brow-beating.  Time for other 
people's topics, I think!

Kevin Ryan
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 7.2 Not Responding on New

2016-03-03 Thread gill6034

So your philosophy is to hold on tight to your antiquated skills and pray you 
never get laid off? 

Good luck with that. 

-Gillian 
- Original Message -

From: "Robert Lauriston"  
To: "framers"  
Sent: Thursday, March 3, 2016 10:04:59 AM 
Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 7.2 Not Responding on New 

Unstructured FrameMaker hasn't really changed much since version 
5.5.6. There are some useful new features layered on top, but if you 
know how to use any version you can quickly get up to speed on any 
other. Any competent hiring manager should know that. 

If the company is using DITA (highly unlikely given they're on 7.2), 
upgrading to FrameMaker 13 wouldn't magically change the source. 

In any case, "I need to upgrade to the latest version to keep my 
skills up to date" seems like a nonstarter argument. If you want your 
company to buy new software, you need to justify the cost with some 
alleged benefits. And if you did a cost-benefit analysis of 
alternatives to FM 7.2, FM 13 would not necessarily be the best 
choice. 

On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 9:51 AM,  wrote: 
> What if Kevin gets laid off, or his company goes under? Do you really think 
> he'll be able to find another job only knowing Frame 7.2? He's competing 
> against people who know the latest version of Frame, and DITA. He will be 
> unemployed for a long time. That's why he needs to upgrade to the latest 
> version, to keep his skills up to date. 
> 
> -Gillian 
> - Original Message - 
> 
> From: "John Sgammato"  
> To: "Gillian Flato"  
> Cc: "framers" , "Kevin Ryan" 
>  
> Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2016 7:04:27 PM 
> Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 7.2 Not Responding on New 
> 
> 
> 
> ...and professional writers are most productive with professional grade 
> tools! 
> On Mar 2, 2016 7:43 PM, < gill6...@comcast.net > wrote: 
> 
> 
> Kevin, 
> 
> Just tell your company to upgrade you to the latest version. There is no 
> benefit to you, or the company, trying to get ancient software to work on a 
> modern PC. And yes, Frame 7.2 is ancient. 
> 
> -Gillian 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> 
> From: "Kevin Ryan" < kevin.r...@systemsandsoftware.net > 
> To: "framers" < framers@lists.frameusers.com > 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2016 1:48:08 PM 
> Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 7.2 Not Responding on New 
> 
> Thanks, Robert. More pieces of the puzzle. I do remember turning off Aero for 
> my "old/good" computer's FrameMaker a few years ago (though I can't remember 
> why), but have not done so on my "new/bad" computer. I will now. 
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 7.2 Not Responding on New

2016-03-03 Thread gill6034

So your philosophy is to hold on tight to your antiquated skills and pray you 
never get laid off? 

Good luck with that. 

-Gillian 
- Original Message -

From: "Robert Lauriston"  
To: "framers"  
Sent: Thursday, March 3, 2016 10:04:59 AM 
Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 7.2 Not Responding on New 

Unstructured FrameMaker hasn't really changed much since version 
5.5.6. There are some useful new features layered on top, but if you 
know how to use any version you can quickly get up to speed on any 
other. Any competent hiring manager should know that. 

If the company is using DITA (highly unlikely given they're on 7.2), 
upgrading to FrameMaker 13 wouldn't magically change the source. 

In any case, "I need to upgrade to the latest version to keep my 
skills up to date" seems like a nonstarter argument. If you want your 
company to buy new software, you need to justify the cost with some 
alleged benefits. And if you did a cost-benefit analysis of 
alternatives to FM 7.2, FM 13 would not necessarily be the best 
choice. 

On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 9:51 AM,  wrote: 
> What if Kevin gets laid off, or his company goes under? Do you really think 
> he'll be able to find another job only knowing Frame 7.2? He's competing 
> against people who know the latest version of Frame, and DITA. He will be 
> unemployed for a long time. That's why he needs to upgrade to the latest 
> version, to keep his skills up to date. 
> 
> -Gillian 
> - Original Message - 
> 
> From: "John Sgammato"  
> To: "Gillian Flato"  
> Cc: "framers" , "Kevin Ryan" 
>  
> Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2016 7:04:27 PM 
> Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 7.2 Not Responding on New 
> 
> 
> 
> ...and professional writers are most productive with professional grade 
> tools! 
> On Mar 2, 2016 7:43 PM, < gill6...@comcast.net > wrote: 
> 
> 
> Kevin, 
> 
> Just tell your company to upgrade you to the latest version. There is no 
> benefit to you, or the company, trying to get ancient software to work on a 
> modern PC. And yes, Frame 7.2 is ancient. 
> 
> -Gillian 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> 
> From: "Kevin Ryan" < kevin.r...@systemsandsoftware.net > 
> To: "framers" < framers@lists.frameusers.com > 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2016 1:48:08 PM 
> Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 7.2 Not Responding on New 
> 
> Thanks, Robert. More pieces of the puzzle. I do remember turning off Aero for 
> my "old/good" computer's FrameMaker a few years ago (though I can't remember 
> why), but have not done so on my "new/bad" computer. I will now. 
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 7.2 Not Responding on New

2016-03-03 Thread Robert Lauriston

Unstructured FrameMaker hasn't really changed much since version
5.5.6. There are some useful new features layered on top, but if you
know how to use any version you can quickly get up to speed on any
other. Any competent hiring manager should know that.

If the company is using DITA (highly unlikely given they're on 7.2),
upgrading to FrameMaker 13 wouldn't magically change the source.

In any case, "I need to upgrade to the latest version to keep my
skills up to date" seems like a nonstarter argument. If you want your
company to buy new software, you need to justify the cost with some
alleged benefits. And if you did a cost-benefit analysis of
alternatives to FM 7.2, FM 13 would not necessarily be the best
choice.

On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 9:51 AM,   wrote:
> What if Kevin gets laid off, or his company goes under? Do you really think 
> he'll be able to find another job only knowing Frame 7.2? He's competing 
> against people who know the latest version of Frame, and DITA. He will be 
> unemployed for a long time. That's why he needs to upgrade to the latest 
> version, to keep his skills up to date.
>
> -Gillian
> - Original Message -
>
> From: "John Sgammato" 
> To: "Gillian Flato" 
> Cc: "framers" , "Kevin Ryan" 
> 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2016 7:04:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 7.2 Not Responding on New
>
>
>
> ...and professional writers are most productive with professional grade tools!
> On Mar 2, 2016 7:43 PM, < gill6...@comcast.net > wrote:
>
>
> Kevin,
>
> Just tell your company to upgrade you to the latest version. There is no 
> benefit to you, or the company, trying to get ancient software to work on a 
> modern PC. And yes, Frame 7.2 is ancient.
>
> -Gillian
>
> - Original Message -
>
> From: "Kevin Ryan" < kevin.r...@systemsandsoftware.net >
> To: "framers" < framers@lists.frameusers.com >
> Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2016 1:48:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 7.2 Not Responding on New
>
> Thanks, Robert. More pieces of the puzzle. I do remember turning off Aero for 
> my "old/good" computer's FrameMaker a few years ago (though I can't remember 
> why), but have not done so on my "new/bad" computer. I will now.
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 7.2 Not Responding on New

2016-03-03 Thread gill6034

What if Kevin gets laid off, or his company goes under? Do you really think 
he'll be able to find another job only knowing Frame 7.2? He's competing 
against people who know the latest version of Frame, and DITA. He will be 
unemployed for a long time. That's why he needs to upgrade to the latest 
version, to keep his skills up to date. 

-Gillian 
- Original Message -

From: "John Sgammato"  
To: "Gillian Flato"  
Cc: "framers" , "Kevin Ryan" 
 
Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2016 7:04:27 PM 
Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 7.2 Not Responding on New 



...and professional writers are most productive with professional grade tools! 
On Mar 2, 2016 7:43 PM, < gill6...@comcast.net > wrote: 


Kevin, 

Just tell your company to upgrade you to the latest version. There is no 
benefit to you, or the company, trying to get ancient software to work on a 
modern PC. And yes, Frame 7.2 is ancient. 

-Gillian 

- Original Message - 

From: "Kevin Ryan" < kevin.r...@systemsandsoftware.net > 
To: "framers" < framers@lists.frameusers.com > 
Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2016 1:48:08 PM 
Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 7.2 Not Responding on New 

Thanks, Robert. More pieces of the puzzle. I do remember turning off Aero for 
my "old/good" computer's FrameMaker a few years ago (though I can't remember 
why), but have not done so on my "new/bad" computer. I will now. 

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Re: [Framers] HTML5 Online Help

2016-03-03 Thread Amit Jha

Hi

For Mobile devices you can generate Mobile App and  you see Adobe DPS.

Thanks
-

From: Shmuel Wolfson
Sent: ‎03-‎03-‎2016 17:57
To: Amit Jha; 
Techshoret
Subject: Re: [Framers] HTML5 Online Help

I currently use MIF2GO to make Microsoft HTML help (CHM), and to pay a lot of 
money to upgrade to FrameMaker 2016 I have to have a good reason. At the 
MEGAComm, Stefan Gentz showed us that FramMaker 2015 has HTML5 help that can 
change its format automatically according to the screen size of the device. I 
thought this would be nice, since users could download the help file on their 
smartphones to read while they are using the application. But if HTML5 help is 
a whole bunch of separate files, it doesn't sound like users could download to 
their smartphones. The only option would be to put our help on a website and 
let them view it there.

Is that correct? Anyone have any comments?

--
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
058-763-7133

On 03-Mar-16 5:24 AM, Amit Jha wrote:

Hi All

FrameMaker 2015 has one of the output is “Microsoft HTML help” which is CHM. 
Please see 
http://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/2015/using/index.html#t=using-framemaker-2015%2Ffrm_generating_output%2FMultichannel_publishing1-.htm=%22HTML%20Help%22=%22HTML%20Help%22=%20
 for other list of outputs other than PDF.

Thanks

Amit Jha

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From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+caroline=radcom@lists.frameusers.com] 
On Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson

Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2016 12:55

To: Framers; Techshoret

Subject: [Framers] HTML5 Online Help

Hi all,

FrameMaker 2015 has HTML5 online help. Does anyone know if it is compiled into 
a single file like HTML help (CHM)?

If not, how do you send someone the help file?

When they instal a program that uses HTML5 online help, do they have hundreds 
of files, one for each web page plus other files for formatting?

--

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058-763-7133

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