Re: [Framers] Inserting element in FrameMaker 2015 XML Author mode (Author View)

[Scott Prentice]

Hi Linda...

That popup only displays when you're in an element that can't have 
another of the same elements as the next element (following sibling). 
When you're testing on different computers are you testing in the exact 
same situation? Pressing ENTER at the end of a  will just give you 
another  (no popup), but pressing ENTER at the end of a  
should give you the popup. I'm not aware of a configuration that will 
turn that on or off (might be one though).


Personally, I never use the popup. I always have the Element Catalog 
open and use that for inserting new elements.


Hope that helps!

...scott


On 7/11/17 1:32 PM, Linda Rose wrote:

Hi,

We are authoring DITA xml using FrameMaker 2015 XML Author mode in Author
View. To add an element, I am able to position my cursor after the
preceding element, press Enter and then I am presented with a list of
elements in a scroll list that I can choose from to be inserted. However,
several other writers in the group (who have the exact same version of FM
that I am using), are not getting the scroll list to select the element
from when they perform these steps.

I haven't changed any settings in FM. Has anyone else seen this
inconsistent behavior? What is the preferred method for inserting an
element?

Thanks,

Linda
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[Framers] Inserting element in FrameMaker 2015 XML Author mode (Author View)

[Linda Rose]

Hi,

We are authoring DITA xml using FrameMaker 2015 XML Author mode in Author
View. To add an element, I am able to position my cursor after the
preceding element, press Enter and then I am presented with a list of
elements in a scroll list that I can choose from to be inserted. However,
several other writers in the group (who have the exact same version of FM
that I am using), are not getting the scroll list to select the element
from when they perform these steps.

I haven't changed any settings in FM. Has anyone else seen this
inconsistent behavior? What is the preferred method for inserting an
element?

Thanks,

Linda
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Re: [Framers] A bit off subject

[Rick Quatro]

Since there is no "standard" XML file, it is difficult to have a ready-made
conversion tool. If you send me a small before/after sample, I will be glad
to see what can be done. Thanks.

Rick

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Subject: [Framers] A bit off subject

I'm often sent XML files that I need to first save as a tab-delimited TXT
file before importing into Frame to convert to a table. 

Does anyone know of a software that may be able to batch convert XML to
tab-delimited TXT files? 


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[Framers] A bit off subject

[Mikey Shine]

I'm often sent XML files that I need to first save as a tab-delimited TXT file 
before importing into Frame to convert to a table. 

Does anyone know of a software that may be able to batch convert XML to 
tab-delimited TXT files? 


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Re: [Framers] Document comparison whole book at a time

[John Posada]

The trick to doing the whole book is to not open any individual files first.

Now my issue is, after comparison, I don't see the changes marked in the
later version...How do I turn the display on to show bars, additions and
deletions.

On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 12:01 PM, Gillian Flato 
wrote:

> File > Utilities > Compare Books.
> -Gillian
> > On Jul 11, 2017, at 8:06 AM, John Posada  wrote:
> >
> > Hi, guys...I want to compare a current complete book to a prior version
> of
> > the book. It seems I have to do it file by file. Is there a way of
> > comparing a book with a previous book and have all the content compared
> and
> > change-bar'd?
> >
> > FM V11
> >
> > Thanks
> >
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Re: [Framers] Document comparison whole book at a time

[Gillian Flato]

File > Utilities > Compare Books.
-Gillian
> On Jul 11, 2017, at 8:06 AM, John Posada  wrote:
> 
> Hi, guys...I want to compare a current complete book to a prior version of
> the book. It seems I have to do it file by file. Is there a way of
> comparing a book with a previous book and have all the content compared and
> change-bar'd?
> 
> FM V11
> 
> Thanks
> 
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Re: [Framers] ‏השב: Converting to Word for Review

[Shmuel Wolfson]

Keep in mind that they don't care about formatting when they are 
reviewing it. They just want the text. So it really should not take so 
long to save it as word. Explain to them that the formatting is not nice 
because it's exported from Frame.


If you afraid they might be upset by the formatting, you can send them 
word files for commenting and a PDF to show them how the formatted doc 
looks.


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On 11-Jul-17 6:07 PM, Caroline Tabach wrote:

I sent a nice PDF, but the manager wanted Word.

This is for review only


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If the endpoint is back to FM, I'd skip the Word conversion & just use the 
Review PDF capabilities. In Lin's case, it's all ending up in Word, so doing the FM 
to PDF to Word route probably isn't the most ideal. Lin, what about hooking up 
MIF2Go? Didn't it have a superior FM to Word conversion?

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Subject: [Framers] Converting to Word for Review

Hi
Converting Frame to Word for review
What do you recommend
Export from PDF or Export from Frame?  Version 2015

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Re: [Framers] ????:__Converting_to_Word_fo r_Review

[David Artman]

   Your Manager is ignorant, then.

   PDF with Comments is much easier to use than Word with Track Changes...
   and with Word, it's entirely possible to forget to turn on Track
   Changes, and then you have no idea who changed what without doing a
   (possibly manual!) file diff.

   Have you demoed a Shared Review, so that your manager can see how
   multiple reviewers can all make changes simultaneously (impossible in
   Word, as far as I know)? It's even nice for doing a group review in
   person, as everyone can markup as they go, stay in sync, and see
   if/when there's a conflict regarding proposed changes. The best Word
   can do with regards to that is serialized review, which is SUPER slow
   unless you have very conscientious reviewers.

   Sounds like tough times for you: tons of conversion and cleanup to suit
   someone's (poorly thought out) preference.

   Bummer. :(

   David

    Original Message 
   From: Caroline Tabach <[1]carol...@radcom.com>
   Date: Tue, July 11, 2017 11:07 am
   I sent a nice PDF, but the manager wanted Word.
   This is for review only

References

   1. mailto:carol...@radcom.com
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[Framers] ‏השב: Converting to Word for Review

[Caroline Tabach]

I sent a nice PDF, but the manager wanted Word.

This is for review only


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If the endpoint is back to FM, I'd skip the Word conversion & just use the 
Review PDF capabilities. In Lin's case, it's all ending up in Word, so doing 
the FM to PDF to Word route probably isn't the most ideal. Lin, what about 
hooking up MIF2Go? Didn't it have a superior FM to Word conversion?

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Subject: [Framers] Converting to Word for Review

Hi
Converting Frame to Word for review
What do you recommend
Export from PDF or Export from Frame?  Version 2015

Caroline Tabach
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[Framers] Document comparison whole book at a time

[John Posada]

Hi, guys...I want to compare a current complete book to a prior version of
the book. It seems I have to do it file by file. Is there a way of
comparing a book with a previous book and have all the content compared and
change-bar'd?

FM V11

Thanks

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Re: [Framers] Converting to Word for Review

[Shmuel Wolfson]

If it's only for reviewing purposes, I would save as word, turn on 
tracked changes, and show the engineers how to hide the markup so that 
it doesn't bother them. When you turn on tracked changes, that stays 
with the file when the file is saved. However, the option to hide the 
markup does not get saved with the file, so you have to show them how to 
do that if seeing the markup bothers them.


Then I put the word doc and the frame doc side by side and copy the 
changes into frame. It's not all that painful.


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On 11-Jul-17 3:37 PM, Caroline Tabach wrote:

Hi
Converting Frame to Word for review
What do you recommend
Export from PDF or Export from Frame?  Version 2015

Caroline Tabach
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Re: [Framers] Converting to Word for Review

[Keith Soltys]

Lin, given that you're leaving, you may not have time to do anything about
this, but I would recommend taking a look at ThirtySix Software's SmartDocs
add-in for Word. I've been using it for several years and it handles
conditional text quite well, as well as making it easy to use variables and
reusable text snippets.

In my most complex use of it, I was able to produce two different versions
of a 300-page document. The only real problem I had with it was getting
approval to use it as it's fairly expensive, especially for a Word add-in.
But it is very powerful and lets you do things in Word that used to be only
possible in Frame (and in some cases, it's easier to use).

Maybe send a link to some of the developers just before you go :-).

Regards
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On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 10:20 AM, Lin Sims  wrote:

> Nope no access to FM12, plus I've used a feature not supported by FM12,
> namely conditional columns in multiple tables.
>
> I've gotten around the one file at a time by creating a new document and
> importing by copy each of the non-generated files in the books. Having the
> tag names come over to the RTF is more useful than having it look (almost
> but not quite) the same in Word as it does in the PDF.
>
> Plus (and I forgot to mention this), all our graphics are SVGs, which is
> NOT supported by Word, so they look horrible and are frequently out of
> place. The page breaks get a bit weird, too.
>
> As to the nightmare -- you have NO idea. I use the same set of files with a
> set of fairly complicated conditional expressions to generate 3 separate
> books in both an internal and external version, for a total of 6 PDFs. I
> now have to figure out how to create 6 separate Word files from these, and
> they are NOT small or simple files. I'm not even sure if I'll be able to
> finish the conversions before I leave. I feel bad for the
> designers/developers who will have to deal with these, since they will have
> to remember to update multiple files.  Still, at the point it's
> their problem, not mine. I wish them luck.
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 10:06 AM, Steve Rickaby <
> srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk> wrote:
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> > At 08:49 -0400 11/7/17, Lin Sims wrote:
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> > >I'm having to do this now for multiple documents because I'm being laid
> > off
> > >and the developers will be doing the documentation from now on, and they
> > >only use Word. It's something of a nightmare no matter which way you
> > choose.
> >
> > My sympathies. A nightmare for you, and a nightmare for them too,
> although
> > they probably don't know it yet ;-)
> >
> > If you still have access for a Frame 12 install, maybe Frame 15 -> Frame
> > 12 -> Mif2GO -> Word might be feasible for you?
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Re: [Framers] Converting to Word for Review

[Lin Sims]

Nope no access to FM12, plus I've used a feature not supported by FM12,
namely conditional columns in multiple tables.

I've gotten around the one file at a time by creating a new document and
importing by copy each of the non-generated files in the books. Having the
tag names come over to the RTF is more useful than having it look (almost
but not quite) the same in Word as it does in the PDF.

Plus (and I forgot to mention this), all our graphics are SVGs, which is
NOT supported by Word, so they look horrible and are frequently out of
place. The page breaks get a bit weird, too.

As to the nightmare -- you have NO idea. I use the same set of files with a
set of fairly complicated conditional expressions to generate 3 separate
books in both an internal and external version, for a total of 6 PDFs. I
now have to figure out how to create 6 separate Word files from these, and
they are NOT small or simple files. I'm not even sure if I'll be able to
finish the conversions before I leave. I feel bad for the
designers/developers who will have to deal with these, since they will have
to remember to update multiple files.  Still, at the point it's
their problem, not mine. I wish them luck.


On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 10:06 AM, Steve Rickaby <
srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> At 08:49 -0400 11/7/17, Lin Sims wrote:
>
> >I'm having to do this now for multiple documents because I'm being laid
> off
> >and the developers will be doing the documentation from now on, and they
> >only use Word. It's something of a nightmare no matter which way you
> choose.
>
> My sympathies. A nightmare for you, and a nightmare for them too, although
> they probably don't know it yet ;-)
>
> If you still have access for a Frame 12 install, maybe Frame 15 -> Frame
> 12 -> Mif2GO -> Word might be feasible for you?
>
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Re: [Framers] Converting to Word for Review

[Steve Rickaby]

At 08:49 -0400 11/7/17, Lin Sims wrote:

>I'm having to do this now for multiple documents because I'm being laid off
>and the developers will be doing the documentation from now on, and they
>only use Word. It's something of a nightmare no matter which way you choose.

My sympathies. A nightmare for you, and a nightmare for them too, although they 
probably don't know it yet ;-)

If you still have access for a Frame 12 install, maybe Frame 15 -> Frame 12 -> 
Mif2GO -> Word might be feasible for you?

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Re: [Framers] Converting to Word for Review

[Grant Hogarth]

I agree with Rick, but would recommend (if there is the budget) a 
third-party PDF->Word converter, such as ABBYFine Reader.


Grant

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From: "Rick Quatro" 
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Sent: 7/11/2017 7:26:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Framers] Converting to Word for Review

The PDF export seems a bit more reliable, plus you can export your 
entire
book. With FrameMaker, you can only do one file at a time. Neither way 
is

reliable for round-tripping back to FrameMaker.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
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585-366-4017



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Subject: [Framers] Converting to Word for Review

Hi
Converting Frame to Word for review
What do you recommend
Export from PDF or Export from Frame?  Version 2015

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Re: [Framers] Converting to Word for Review

[Rick Quatro]

The PDF export seems a bit more reliable, plus you can export your entire
book. With FrameMaker, you can only do one file at a time. Neither way is
reliable for round-tripping back to FrameMaker.

Rick Quatro
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Hi
Converting Frame to Word for review
What do you recommend
Export from PDF or Export from Frame?  Version 2015

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Re: [Framers] Converting to Word for Review

[Lin Sims]

Jeff,

MIF2GO does have superior conversion to Word, but it does not, as far as I
know, work with anything past Frame 12, and we're using Frame 2015. :(



On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 8:53 AM, Jeff Coatsworth <
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> If the endpoint is back to FM, I'd skip the Word conversion & just use the
> Review PDF capabilities. In Lin's case, it's all ending up in Word, so
> doing the FM to PDF to Word route probably isn't the most ideal. Lin, what
> about hooking up MIF2Go? Didn't it have a superior FM to Word conversion?
>
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>
> Hi
> Converting Frame to Word for review
> What do you recommend
> Export from PDF or Export from Frame?  Version 2015
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Re: [Framers] Converting to Word for Review

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If the endpoint is back to FM, I'd skip the Word conversion & just use the 
Review PDF capabilities. In Lin's case, it's all ending up in Word, so doing 
the FM to PDF to Word route probably isn't the most ideal. Lin, what about 
hooking up MIF2Go? Didn't it have a superior FM to Word conversion? 

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Subject: [Framers] Converting to Word for Review

Hi
Converting Frame to Word for review
What do you recommend
Export from PDF or Export from Frame?  Version 2015

Caroline Tabach
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Re: [Framers] Converting to Word for Review

[Lin Sims]

I'm having to do this now for multiple documents because I'm being laid off
and the developers will be doing the documentation from now on, and they
only use Word. It's something of a nightmare no matter which way you choose.

If you export from PDF, the Word document will look close to identical, but
there will be no styles applied. It'll all be modified "normal".

If you export from Frame to RTF, you'll have styles, but the conversion
isn't all that clean, particularly with tables. Still, if you do search and
replace for each style, it'll get mostly cleaned up. If you have a Word
template with the predefined using the same names as the Frame tags,
importing it will (again mostly) fix things for you.

I've chosen the export to from Frame to RTF, but it still takes time to
make things presentable.



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[Framers] Converting to Word for Review

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Hi
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