Re: [Framers] Framemaker 2019, Conditional Text, and ToCs

[Peter Gold]

Consider posting a request for better distribution packaging, to the FM
wishlist. IIRC, there's also a features petition somewhere.

On Tue, Mar 3, 2020, 12:19 PM Lea Rush  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Thanks for the prompt. That did fix the problem. The irony is that the
> lack of an up-to-date installation set goes directly against part of my
> job. I maintain our software installation sets, making sure that the
> shippng set and the online set are up to date. My first instinct is that
> any competent company would do the same, especially one as large as Adobe.
> With all those people, there must be someone doing that!
>
> Adjusting my naivety filters for reality...
> Lea
>
>
> Lea Rush
> IT and Documentation Support Specialist
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers  astoria-pacific@lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf Of Jeff Coatsworth
> Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2020 6:54 AM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
> framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Framemaker 2019, Conditional Text, and ToCs
>
> It's a common trope that just because you downloaded & installed FM today,
> that it includes all the latest fixes - it doesn't - immediate updates are
> required right off the bat.
>
>
> 
> From: Framers  jonasclub@lists.frameusers.com> on behalf of Lynne A. Price <
> lpr...@txstruct.com>
> Sent: March 3, 2020 9:51 AM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Framemaker 2019, Conditional Text, and ToCs
>
> Lea,
> Jeff's advice to make sure you have installed all patches may indeed
> solve your problem. I am running a fully patched version of FM 2019. I have
> just duplicated the situation you described and had no problems with TOC
> entries that contained conditional text.
>  --Lynne
>
> On 3/2/2020 4:42 PM, Lea Rush wrote:
> > Now I find that all conditional text, whether it's characters or the
> paragraph mark itself, is dropped from the ToC.
>
>
> --
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> and training
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Re: [Framers] Framemaker 2019, Conditional Text, and ToCs

[Lea Rush]

Hi all,

Thanks for the prompt. That did fix the problem. The irony is that the lack of 
an up-to-date installation set goes directly against part of my job. I maintain 
our software installation sets, making sure that the shippng set and the online 
set are up to date. My first instinct is that any competent company would do 
the same, especially one as large as Adobe. With all those people, there must 
be someone doing that!

Adjusting my naivety filters for reality...
Lea


Lea Rush
IT and Documentation Support Specialist 

-Original Message-
From: Framers  On 
Behalf Of Jeff Coatsworth
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2020 6:54 AM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 

Subject: Re: [Framers] Framemaker 2019, Conditional Text, and ToCs

It's a common trope that just because you downloaded & installed FM today, that 
it includes all the latest fixes - it doesn't - immediate updates are required 
right off the bat.



From: Framers 
 on behalf 
of Lynne A. Price 
Sent: March 3, 2020 9:51 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] Framemaker 2019, Conditional Text, and ToCs

Lea,
Jeff's advice to make sure you have installed all patches may indeed solve 
your problem. I am running a fully patched version of FM 2019. I have just 
duplicated the situation you described and had no problems with TOC entries 
that contained conditional text.
 --Lynne

On 3/2/2020 4:42 PM, Lea Rush wrote:
> Now I find that all conditional text, whether it's characters or the 
> paragraph mark itself, is dropped from the ToC.


--
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Text Structure Consulting, Inc.
Specializing in structured FrameMaker consulting, application development, and 
training
lpr...@txstruct.comhttp://www.txstruct.com
voice/fax: (510) 583-1505  cell phone: (510) 421-2284

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Re: [Framers] MadCap Flare

[Ken Poshedly]

 To all,
This is what I plan to do and then try my best.
Thanks to all . . .
-- Ken in Atlanta

On Tuesday, March 3, 2020, 11:04:43 AM EST, Shmuel Wolfson 
 wrote:  
 
 If your main job will be technical writing, I think you should just take 
the job and learn as you go. There are online tutorials. Lynda.com has 
courses in Flare.

Good luck.

--
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
058-763-7133


On 28-Feb-20 7:20 PM, Ken Poshedly wrote:
> Group,
>
> At a job interview yesterday (February 27), one of the folks I met with 
> stated her hopes that besides the usual technical writing duties, she plans 
> for a modernization of one of the company's web pages. Her comment was that 
> "It's so 1980s."
>
> While I've done online content here and there, I've not done really 
> full-blown, overall web site design or redesigns. The staff person (a vice 
> president) said that the current page was done using MadCap Flare.
>
> Due to the EXTREMELY restrictive policies at my previous employer (where I 
> worked for nine and one-half years before the tech pubs function was 
> outsourced), we weren't permitted to spend any money on upgrades to our 
> software or learn new ones. Thus, I have no experience with MadCap Flare.
>
> So I ask about the learning curve; I'm already a 22-year user of FrameMaker, 
> Acrobat Pro (version 9, an oldie) and other tools. So how similar are these 
> two (FM and Flare) to each other? And if I spend a few hours a day using the 
> trial version, any idea on my proficiency?
>
> I know this open-ended, but it's really new territory for me. Plus, I won't 
> even know if I get the job for a few days or weeks. Just trying to plan ahead.
>
> Thanks all.
>
> -- Kenpo in Atlanta
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Re: [Framers] MadCap Flare

[Shmuel Wolfson]

If your main job will be technical writing, I think you should just take 
the job and learn as you go. There are online tutorials. Lynda.com has 
courses in Flare.


Good luck.

--
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
058-763-7133


On 28-Feb-20 7:20 PM, Ken Poshedly wrote:

Group,

At a job interview yesterday (February 27), one of the folks I met with stated her hopes 
that besides the usual technical writing duties, she plans for a modernization of one of 
the company's web pages. Her comment was that "It's so 1980s."

While I've done online content here and there, I've not done really full-blown, 
overall web site design or redesigns. The staff person (a vice president) said 
that the current page was done using MadCap Flare.

Due to the EXTREMELY restrictive policies at my previous employer (where I 
worked for nine and one-half years before the tech pubs function was 
outsourced), we weren't permitted to spend any money on upgrades to our 
software or learn new ones. Thus, I have no experience with MadCap Flare.

So I ask about the learning curve; I'm already a 22-year user of FrameMaker, 
Acrobat Pro (version 9, an oldie) and other tools. So how similar are these two 
(FM and Flare) to each other? And if I spend a few hours a day using the trial 
version, any idea on my proficiency?

I know this open-ended, but it's really new territory for me. Plus, I won't 
even know if I get the job for a few days or weeks. Just trying to plan ahead.

Thanks all.

-- Kenpo in Atlanta
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Re: [Framers] Framemaker 2019, Conditional Text, and ToCs

[Jeff Coatsworth]

It's a common trope that just because you downloaded & installed FM today, that 
it includes all the latest fixes - it doesn't - immediate updates are required 
right off the bat.



From: Framers 
 on behalf 
of Lynne A. Price 
Sent: March 3, 2020 9:51 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] Framemaker 2019, Conditional Text, and ToCs

Lea,
Jeff's advice to make sure you have installed all patches may indeed
solve your problem. I am running a fully patched version of FM 2019. I
have just duplicated the situation you described and had no problems
with TOC entries that contained conditional text.
 --Lynne

On 3/2/2020 4:42 PM, Lea Rush wrote:
> Now I find that all conditional text, whether it's characters or the 
> paragraph mark itself, is dropped from the ToC.


--
Lynne A. Price
Text Structure Consulting, Inc.
Specializing in structured FrameMaker consulting, application development, and 
training
lpr...@txstruct.comhttp://www.txstruct.com
voice/fax: (510) 583-1505  cell phone: (510) 421-2284

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Re: [Framers] Framemaker 2019, Conditional Text, and ToCs

[Lynne A. Price]

Lea,
   Jeff's advice to make sure you have installed all patches may indeed 
solve your problem. I am running a fully patched version of FM 2019. I 
have just duplicated the situation you described and had no problems 
with TOC entries that contained conditional text.

    --Lynne

On 3/2/2020 4:42 PM, Lea Rush wrote:

Now I find that all conditional text, whether it's characters or the paragraph 
mark itself, is dropped from the ToC.



--
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Text Structure Consulting, Inc.
Specializing in structured FrameMaker consulting, application development, and 
training
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Re: [Framers] Framemaker 2019, Conditional Text, and ToCs

[Jeff Coatsworth]

Have you loaded the latest patch? I think it's up to 5 now.



From: Framers 
 on behalf 
of Lea Rush 
Sent: March 2, 2020 7:42 PM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
Subject: [Framers] Framemaker 2019, Conditional Text, and ToCs

Hi,

I recently upgraded from Frame 8 to Frame 2019. I've hit my first hiccup.

I have subtopics that are comprised either partly or entirely of conditional 
text. I just attempted to do something that was seamless in FM8; insert a 
standalone ToC in selected chapters of my book. It's not complex. There are 
about a dozen conditional tags, 4 of which are used the most. It used to work 
fine...

Now I find that all conditional text, whether it's characters or the paragraph 
mark itself, is dropped from the ToC.

Example, using asterisks to simulate conditional text and numbers to represent 
page numbers:

TOPIC
Subtopic 1
*Subtopic* 2
Sub*topic* 3

Becomes:

Topic
Subtopic 1
2
Sub 3

HELP!
Lea



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