Re: [Framers] Adobe licensing is migrating to subscription based

[Syed Zaeem Hosain]

Lin Sims wrote:

> As to an earlier email of yours, there is no difference between someone 
> upgrading from an earlier version to 2020 or someone getting a new 
> subscription to 2020. The subscription price is the same for everyone.

Yes, _exactly_! Which is what I consider unreasonable from Adobe - the rate for 
a single tool (i.e., FM), given their subscription pricing for suites, is too 
high.

Now, if you are more than one version out of date with FM, you may as well kiss 
that old license goodbye ... unless you can keep it using without upgrading or 
bug fixes.

> There are two annual options (no monthly option for FM!): one is to prepay 
> for a year (about $360), the other is to pay monthly ($29.99) for a year's 
> subscription (which totals about $360) with cancellation fees if you cancel 
> it early.

I suppose this may work for those who are willing to consider subscription 
licenses - I am not! "Your mileage may vary", of course! 

Extreme point: For me, for the occasional use I give many of my tools, having 
to pay monthly (even a year at a time) sub fees, in total for everything, would 
be expensive!

This subscription model, adopted by _many_ providers now, misses that important 
point (of total amounts) entirely - they assume that their own charges are low 
enough for each user. 

It is why I am changing towards free software, for the most part, for 
everything I do. They are getting _way_ good enough for many things. 
Particularly when most commercial software now comes attached with bells and 
whistles which the vast majority of users do not use.

Z

On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 5:07 PM Syed Zaeem Hosain 
wrote:

> Lin,
>
> That link mentioned FM _server_ versions, not the FM applications ...
> unless I overlooked something?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Z
>
> Lin Sims said:
> > This is an authoritative list of all of Adobe's products and when 
> > they
> went End of Life and when Extended Support was ended. I hope it helps.
>
> > https://helpx.adobe.com/support/programs/eol-matrix.html
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[Framers] multiple versions subscription Re: Adobe licensing is migrating to subscription based

[Craig Ede]

Useful info. Thanks.

Craig


From: Framers  on 
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Subject: Re: [Framers] Adobe licensing is migrating to subscription based

I think so? At least with FrameMaker, 2020 installed into a separate folder
and left the 2019 installation alone.

On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 2:39 PM Craig Ede  wrote:

> This brings up and interesting question. When the subscription pushes out
> a new version, can you leave an earlier FrameMaker version on a machine and
> use that for files that you want to stay in that version?
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Re: [Framers] Adobe licensing is migrating to subscription based

[Lin Sims]

I think so? At least with FrameMaker, 2020 installed into a separate folder
and left the 2019 installation alone.

On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 2:39 PM Craig Ede  wrote:

> This brings up and interesting question. When the subscription pushes out
> a new version, can you leave an earlier FrameMaker version on a machine and
> use that for files that you want to stay in that version?
>
> The medical device industry can be quite hidebound about using newer
> versions of software since they validate their quality systems against a
> particular version and don't want to do all that work again. For a
> consultant, working with different clients who may have different version
> requirements, the ability to run multiple versions is imperative.
>
> In 2015 I used Creative Cloud and the Adobe subscription let us install
> the new versions but keep the older versions of particular software active,
> too.
>
> Craig
>

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Re: [Framers] Adobe licensing is migrating to subscription based

[Craig Ede]

This brings up and interesting question. When the subscription pushes out a new 
version, can you leave an earlier FrameMaker version on a machine and use that 
for files that you want to stay in that version?

The medical device industry can be quite hidebound about using newer versions 
of software since they validate their quality systems against a particular 
version and don't want to do all that work again. For a consultant, working 
with different clients who may have different version requirements, the ability 
to run multiple versions is imperative.

In 2015 I used Creative Cloud and the Adobe subscription let us install the new 
versions but keep the older versions of particular software active, too.

Craig


From: Framers  on 
behalf of Lin Sims 

As to an earlier email of yours, there is no difference between someone
upgrading from an earlier version to 2020 or someone getting a new
subscription to 2020. The subscription price is the same for everyone.
There are two annual options (no monthly option for FM!): one is to prepay
for a year (about $360), the other is to pay monthly ($29.99) for a year's
subscription (which totals about $360) with cancellation fees if you cancel
it early.


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Re: [Framers] [EXTERNAL] Adobe licensing is migrating to subscription based

[Craig Ede]

And if you are worried that a machine is about to die on you, you can always 
deactivate the license and install it on another machine. OS advancements are 
another can o' worms but usually Win users can get things to run on the newer 
OS versions.

Craig


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Subject: Re: [Framers] [EXTERNAL] Adobe licensing is migrating to subscription 
based

Nothing happens. You bought a perpetual license for FM12 and it will
continue to work as long as the machine and OS allow it to.


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Re: [Framers] Framemaker v7.0 Quick Reference card (FREE)

[Craig Ede]

Klaus,

That link just went into my bookmarks in the FrameMaker folder.

Thanks.

Craig


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Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 9:50 AM
To: Theresa de Valence ; framers@lists.frameusers.com 

Subject: Re: [Framers] Framemaker v7.0 Quick Reference card (FREE)

On 25 Aug 2020 at 14:35, Theresa de Valence wrote:

> I know that some users of older Frame versions were looking for
> documentation. I've just discovered ONE(1) Version 7 for Windows Quick
> Reference Card which I can mail to anyone who wants it.

FM documentation disappears every now and then from the Adobe site. Hence I 
collect
items since years and offer them at
https://www.daube.ch/docu/fm-documentation/
For example: 
https://www.daube.ch/docu/fm-documentation/FM/fm05-Quick-Reference.pdf

Have fun
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Re: [Framers] Framemaker v7.0 Quick Reference card (FREE)

[Klaus Daube]

On 25 Aug 2020 at 14:35, Theresa de Valence wrote:

> I know that some users of older Frame versions were looking for 
> documentation. I've just discovered ONE(1) Version 7 for Windows Quick 
> Reference Card which I can mail to anyone who wants it.

FM documentation disappears every now and then from the Adobe site. Hence I 
collect 
items since years and offer them at
https://www.daube.ch/docu/fm-documentation/
For example: 
https://www.daube.ch/docu/fm-documentation/FM/fm05-Quick-Reference.pdf

Have fun
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Re: [Framers] [EXTERNAL] Adobe licensing is migrating to subscription based

[Shmuel Wolfson]

If you ever need to reinstall it, and it uses a license server to check 
the license when you install it, it may eventually not be able to 
install. This happened to me with Acrobat 7, and Adobe was nice enough 
to give me another installer that did not require a license server. I 
hope they keep being nice. Although legally they probably have to help 
you, who wants to have to take them to court.


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On 26-Aug-20 3:03 PM, Tom Beiswenger wrote:

This may be a really stupid question, but because it involves an Adobe product, 
it probably isn't... what happens to those of us using earlier versions of FM? 
I am the only writer in our company using FM and work with FM12 on a new 
Windows 10 laptop. FM12 is a little quirky on Win 10, but I've found ways to 
adapt so that I can keep FM. The alternative for me would be to go to AuthorIT, 
which isn't bad, but really isn't very good about creating books for print and 
digital (using conditional tags that allows us to optimize the book for digital 
display).

-Original Message-
From: Framers 
 On Behalf 
Of Lin Sims
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 7:53 AM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 

Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] [Framers] Adobe licensing is migrating to subscription 
based

You are correct, and I mentioned that on the FrameMaker group on the Adobe 
forums. That's not the only issue on Adobe's site. At the moment, the only way 
that I, who have a Teams subscription through work, could upgrade to FM2020, 
was to download the free trial. There's a download link on the account page for 
our FM subscription, but it takes you to the CREATIVE CLOUD downloads page and 
has for more than a year. I've made multiple complaints but Adobe hasn't fixed 
it. FM seem to be the red-headed stepchild of Adobe.

As to an earlier email of yours, there is no difference between someone 
upgrading from an earlier version to 2020 or someone getting a new subscription 
to 2020. The subscription price is the same for everyone.
There are two annual options (no monthly option for FM!): one is to prepay for 
a year (about $360), the other is to pay monthly ($29.99) for a year's 
subscription (which totals about $360) with cancellation fees if you cancel it 
early.

On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 5:07 PM Syed Zaeem Hosain 
wrote:


Lin,

That link mentioned FM _server_ versions, not the FM applications ...
unless I overlooked something?

Thanks!

Z

Lin Sims said:

This is an authoritative list of all of Adobe's products and when
they

went End of Life and when Extended Support was ended. I hope it helps.


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Re: [Framers] [EXTERNAL] Adobe licensing is migrating to subscription based

[Lin Sims]

Nothing happens. You bought a perpetual license for FM12 and it will
continue to work as long as the machine and OS allow it to.

On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 8:03 AM Tom Beiswenger <
tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com> wrote:

> This may be a really stupid question, but because it involves an Adobe
> product, it probably isn't... what happens to those of us using earlier
> versions of FM? I am the only writer in our company using FM and work with
> FM12 on a new Windows 10 laptop. FM12 is a little quirky on Win 10, but
> I've found ways to adapt so that I can keep FM. The alternative for me
> would be to go to AuthorIT, which isn't bad, but really isn't very good
> about creating books for print and digital (using conditional tags that
> allows us to optimize the book for digital display).
>


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Re: [Framers] [EXTERNAL] Adobe licensing is migrating to subscription based

[Tom Beiswenger]

This may be a really stupid question, but because it involves an Adobe product, 
it probably isn't... what happens to those of us using earlier versions of FM? 
I am the only writer in our company using FM and work with FM12 on a new 
Windows 10 laptop. FM12 is a little quirky on Win 10, but I've found ways to 
adapt so that I can keep FM. The alternative for me would be to go to AuthorIT, 
which isn't bad, but really isn't very good about creating books for print and 
digital (using conditional tags that allows us to optimize the book for digital 
display).

-Original Message-
From: Framers 
 On Behalf 
Of Lin Sims
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 7:53 AM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 

Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] [Framers] Adobe licensing is migrating to subscription 
based

You are correct, and I mentioned that on the FrameMaker group on the Adobe 
forums. That's not the only issue on Adobe's site. At the moment, the only way 
that I, who have a Teams subscription through work, could upgrade to FM2020, 
was to download the free trial. There's a download link on the account page for 
our FM subscription, but it takes you to the CREATIVE CLOUD downloads page and 
has for more than a year. I've made multiple complaints but Adobe hasn't fixed 
it. FM seem to be the red-headed stepchild of Adobe.

As to an earlier email of yours, there is no difference between someone 
upgrading from an earlier version to 2020 or someone getting a new subscription 
to 2020. The subscription price is the same for everyone.
There are two annual options (no monthly option for FM!): one is to prepay for 
a year (about $360), the other is to pay monthly ($29.99) for a year's 
subscription (which totals about $360) with cancellation fees if you cancel it 
early.

On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 5:07 PM Syed Zaeem Hosain 
wrote:

> Lin,
>
> That link mentioned FM _server_ versions, not the FM applications ...
> unless I overlooked something?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Z
>
> Lin Sims said:
> > This is an authoritative list of all of Adobe's products and when 
> > they
> went End of Life and when Extended Support was ended. I hope it helps.
>
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Re: [Framers] Adobe licensing is migrating to subscription based

[Lin Sims]

You are correct, and I mentioned that on the FrameMaker group on the Adobe
forums. That's not the only issue on Adobe's site. At the moment, the
only way that I, who have a Teams subscription through work, could upgrade
to FM2020, was to download the free trial. There's a download link on the
account page for our FM subscription, but it takes you to the CREATIVE
CLOUD downloads page and has for more than a year. I've made multiple
complaints but Adobe hasn't fixed it. FM seem to be the red-headed
stepchild of Adobe.

As to an earlier email of yours, there is no difference between someone
upgrading from an earlier version to 2020 or someone getting a new
subscription to 2020. The subscription price is the same for everyone.
There are two annual options (no monthly option for FM!): one is to prepay
for a year (about $360), the other is to pay monthly ($29.99) for a year's
subscription (which totals about $360) with cancellation fees if you cancel
it early.

On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 5:07 PM Syed Zaeem Hosain 
wrote:

> Lin,
>
> That link mentioned FM _server_ versions, not the FM applications ...
> unless I overlooked something?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Z
>
> Lin Sims said:
> > This is an authoritative list of all of Adobe's products and when they
> went End of Life and when Extended Support was ended. I hope it helps.
>
> > https://helpx.adobe.com/support/programs/eol-matrix.html
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020

[Gust, Dieter]

This link shows the new features compared to older FM versions
https://www.adobe.com/content/dam/acom/en/products/framemaker/framemaker_new/PDF/fm_version_comparison_en.pdf

Regards Dieter

>Is there a good resource (link) that tells me what’s new and groovy with FM 
>2020?
>Thanks all!
>Sean
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Re: [Framers] Adobe licensing is migrating to subscription based

[Caroline Tabach]

Also, Adobe has a lot of free small training videos available

Caroline Tabach

On Tue, 25 Aug 2020, 20:42 Roberta Hennessey,  wrote:

> Thank you so much.
>
> I do remember Shlomo, I took a few in person sessions with him.
>
> Bobbi
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 1:37 PM Lin Sims  wrote:
>
> > Adobe still does the 30-day trial.
> >
> > I know because despite my company having a subscription, the only way I
> > could download the installation program was to fill out that stupid form.
> > Someone at Adobe doesn't like updating the FM associated websites and
> > links.
> >
> > There are quite a few trainers out there. Barb Binder and Matt Sullivan
> are
> > two of them. I think Shlomo Peretz still does some training, but I also
> > think he's semi-retired. I could be wrong about that.
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 1:34 PM Roberta Hennessey  >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi.
> > > I see folks talking about FrameMaker. As someone who hasn't used the
> tool
> > > in years, does Adobe have a 30 day free trial these days?
> > > And does anyone know of external learning resources for someone
> > relearning
> > > Frame? Or recommendations?
> > >
> > > Bobbi
> > >
> > > On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 1:15 PM Lin Sims  wrote:
> > >
> > > > If you have a perpetual license, you will not have to pay additional
> > > money.
> > > >
> > > > If you want to upgrade to FM2020, though, you will be getting a
> > > > subscription and will have to pay to continue using the program.
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 12:59 PM Doug  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > We use FM 2017...do we need to be wary of Adobe making us pay them
> > more
> > > > > money in the future?
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 10:48 AM Simon BUCH 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > FYI
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Despite what I was told last year:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "/Customers will still be able to purchase perpetual licenses
> > of
> > > > all
> > > > > > the above-mentioned products through Channel (Adobe
> authorized
> > > > > > resellers) under Transactional Licensing Program (TLP) and
> > > > > > Cumulative Licensing Program (CLP) even after 1 July 2019./"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ... it appears that Adobe has made the decision that the purchase
> > of
> > > > > > perpetual licenses only applies to Adobe FrameMaker 15 AKA 2019
> > > > release.
> > > > > > As quoted from the Adobe Territory Account Manager:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "/FrameMaker 2019 will be available in Perpetual format.
> > > > > > This mean, internet will not be required to keep the license
> > > > active.
> > > > > > This should be available for limited time."
> > > > > > /
> > > > > >
> > > > > > and /that//:/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > /"Going forward, all the FrameMaker versions will only be
> > > available
> > > > > > in Subscription.//
> > > > > > //That said, we still can support these licenses in an
> offline
> > > > > > environment./"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But no further information was given.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Currently subscription costs stand at approximately US$30 /
> > GB£30.34
> > > /
> > > > > > €UR 36 / AU$45 etc. per month.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > // Simon BUCH
> > > > > >
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