Re: [Framers] TOC issue

[Shmuel Wolfson]

   This was a very bad decision to have this "functionality." I'm truly
   amazed that they would think this is a good feature. Having lots of
   partially broken links in my PDF is not worth whatever they think they
   are gaining in terms of functionality.

   If they really think this is such an important feature, they could at
   least put in an option in the settings to opt out of this feature, and
   not have broken links. If they make this one change, I'm going to ask
   my company to pay for a new version, which I haven't done in years.

   On 17-Dec-21 8:58 PM, [1]r...@rickquatro.com wrote:

This is not really a bug but a "feature," at least according to the FrameMaker d
ocumentation. I posted some information, including screenshots, on the Adobe For
ums.

[2]https://community.adobe.com/t5/framemaker-discussions/broken-toc-links/m-p/12
602277#M73178

Rick

-Original Message-
From: Framers [3] On B
ehalf Of Peter Gold
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 1:47 PM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. [4]
Subject: Re: [Framers] TOC issue

Great news! Thanks to Rick!

This is definitely a bug, or at least a documentation omission, AKA bug,  that n
eeds formal reporting, Someone please report it. Thanks.

On Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 12:31 PM [5] wrote:


Hi Everyone,

OK, as someone asked offlist, yes, some of these equation titles do
contain non-alphanumeric characters. .. (Their response to my: I seem
to recall that I ran up against a similar problem about 15 years ago
and ultimately tracked it down to prohibited (but not documented)
punctuation characters in the headings that weren't appearing in the ToC).

Other ones do contain a character formatting change in the middle of
the link (not at the beginning as Craig asked), so I obviously was
taught incorrectly or remember incorrectly that as long as the
character didn't begin the link, all was OK.

Long story short - Rick Quatro is going to revamp a script that will
solve the issue and save the day yet again for another FM user
(especially me), and I can stop banging my head on the wall - about this little
gem anyway.

Thank you everyone for your responses. Every single time that I post
to this list, I not only get the answer that I need but I also learn
so many little tidbits and extra gems of knowledge about FM that can
come only from tribal knowledge and everyone's years of experience.

Have safe, healthy, and happy holidays.

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
[6]www.spectrumwritingllc.com


-Original Message-
From: Framers  On
Behalf Of Peter Gold
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 10:26 AM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
[8]
Subject: Re: [Framers] TOC issue

Have you tried duplicating, by copying and pasting the problem

paragraphs,

to see if they retain the problem gremlins? If they don't, try
deleting

or;

hiding the bad ones one with a condition.

Perhaps the problem material falls on some kind of border or limit.
Have

you

tried creating a placeholder chapter ahead of the book materials,
then regenerating? If that fixes it, resett the numberings or hide
it, to

ignore the

placeholder, and regen.

On Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 10:55 AM tammyvb spectrumwritingllc.com <
[9]tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com> wrote:




What I NEED to do is just punt this project. . .
And yes I agree with you I should not have to do that but any port
in a storm. . .

Rick Quatro wants to look at the TOC and he always rides to my
rescue in these frustrating situations, so I’m waiting to hear
back from him, and learn what the obvious problem it is. . .

Well, obvious to him (and probably everybody else at this point
I’m so
frustrated) but not to me!

Thanks!



Sent from my iPhone. Blame Steve Jobs for any typos.


On Dec 17, 2021, at 9:11 AM, Lise Bible
[10]

wrote:

Tammy,
I have no Frame advice to offer (I am sure you've tried
everything I

would

have tried, and I'd be equally frustrated in your situation),
but as a workaround, can you manually create these links in
Acrobat after the

fact?

To be clear, you shouldn't HAVE to do this, but in a pinch...

Good luck!
-Lise


On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 9:36 AM tammyvb spectrumwritingllc.com
< [11]tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com> wrote:

Hi Craig,

No there is no difference in the character formatting between
these five entries and any of the other same type of entries in the TOC.

All the EquationCaption  paragraph tags are formatted
identically

without

any overrides or additional character settings.

But if you have any other ideas or thoughts I would definitely
welcome them.

Thank you!

Sent from my iPhone. Blame Steve Jobs for any typos.


On Dec 17, 2021, at 8:23 AM, Craig Ede [12]

wrote:

Is there any kind of character formatting at the beginning of
these 5

lines being used for the TOC?

Craig Ed


From: Framers 

on behalf of [14]tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com <

Re: [Framers] TOC issue

[Shmuel Wolfson]

Is it possible that there is some character formatting that you aren't 
noticing? Even if by mistake you applied italics to a space in between 
words it would mess it up. Try selecting the entire heading (in the 
document, and removing all local formatting.)



On 17-Dec-21 5:36 PM, tammyvb spectrumwritingllc.com wrote:

Hi Craig,

No there is no difference in the character formatting between these five 
entries and any of the other same type of entries in the TOC.

All the EquationCaption  paragraph tags are formatted identically without any 
overrides or additional character settings.

But if you have any other ideas or thoughts I would definitely welcome them.

Thank you!

Sent from my iPhone. Blame Steve Jobs for any typos.


On Dec 17, 2021, at 8:23 AM, Craig Ede  wrote:

Is there any kind of character formatting at the beginning of these 5 lines 
being used for the TOC?

Craig Ed


From: Framers  on behalf 
of tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com 
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 8:48 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com 
Subject: [Framers] TOC issue

OK,



Me again, but I have done everything that I can think of doing to solve this
issue BEFORE I posted and I am at a loss.  I have a book for which I am
generating a TOC. I have selected the necessary paragraph tags for the TOC
and generated. All the entries in the TOC are functioning as hyperlinks as
they should with the exception of 5 specific entries. They are deader than a
door nail. The first TOC entry above this set of five entries is an active
hyperlink and the first TOC entry below this group of 5 is also an active
hyperlink.



I have done the following:



1.  Deleted this specific text in the book and re-entered it.
2.  Confirmed that there is no override to any of these tags - the text
is EquationCaption w/out any overrides (No asterisk is showing for them.)
3.  Turned on all conditional text settings and generated the book to
check and see if there was something buried in the hidden text that was
causing the issue, but even w/ all the conditions turned on, I still have
the issue.
4.  Added the same kind of tag (an Equation Caption) directly above and
directly below the section of five that are giving me fits and regenerated
and the tag above and below are indeed hyperlinks but these 5 remain
stubbornly dead.
5.  All the equations are PDFs in this book, so I assumed that maybe
there was a graphic issue, so I deleted the five relevant graphics and
regenerated and again, the links are still dead.



I am at a loss at this point. It is just this one small section in an
otherwise large and graphic-laden manual, so there's nothing common about
this issue that I can compare to other sections in this book as no other
sections are giving me this problem.



I would welcome any and all suggestions, insight, etc.



Regards,



TVB







Tammy Van Boening

Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com

www.spectrumwritingllc.com



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