Re: [Framers] [EXTERNAL] Re: Contents of Framers digest... Why so many of us feel the way we do....

[Gust, Dieter]

Winfried wrote: "You can download the FrameMaker help as PDF from the Adobe 
website:
https://helpx.adobe.com/framemaker/help/help-resources.html;
The FM PDF help file is almost unusable in the current version because of long 
loading and scrolling times.
If you have the full Acrobat version, use this workaround: remove all PDF tags 
and scrolling, loading and searching etc. works like a charm.

Regards Dieter Gust

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Hi,

You can download the FrameMaker help as PDF from the Adobe website:
https://helpx.adobe.com/framemaker/help/help-resources.html

Best regards

Winfried

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Dennis,

Yes, will you please post the FrameMaker manual you have for us to use as 
reference?

Ramona Blackmon


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Way back in the dark ages, when FrameMaker was first ported to Windows, I 
worked with a FM staff member, Mercedes (still fondly remember her), to address 
bugs and issues. She sent me updates via overnight courier and these were 
multiple disk sets, calling for a fresh install. The reason I remember her name 
is because we talked almost daily and installation disks arrived weekly or more 
until the issue count dropped.

Of course, I don't expect this level of customer service anymore from any 
software publisher, but through the years I have had bits and pieces of 
exemplary support. On a contract to bring a trade book to press, I worked with 
Dov over the phone as to why illustrations with schematics wouldn't reproduce 
lines. and this from the printer's site in Michigan.
More recently, I worked with Adobe to resolve an issue where importing and 
converting a MS Word document crashed FrameMaker (MS Word Track Changes caused 
the problem - this was last year).

I am not happy with the subscription model as I believe it's an egregious 
affront to hold the software hostage when missing a subscription payment. From 
a business point of view, it's a cash flow solution, reducing the seasonal 
vagaries of software sales. But it's not customer-centric.  And this is a 
problem.

A while back, someone on this forum mentioned difficulty finding a FrameMaker 
manual. I have a 1241 page Adobe PDF version dated June 1,
2021 on the cover page. It's a 46MB file, but if anyone wants a copy, I'll post 
it where it can be downloaded.

Dennis Hays
Ex-Publisher of the now-extinct InFrame Magazine

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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020

[Gust, Dieter]

This link shows the new features compared to older FM versions
https://www.adobe.com/content/dam/acom/en/products/framemaker/framemaker_new/PDF/fm_version_comparison_en.pdf

Regards Dieter

>Is there a good resource (link) that tells me what’s new and groovy with FM 
>2020?
>Thanks all!
>Sean
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Re: [Framers] [FrameMaker 2019] Customizing responsive HTML5 output: best practices and good documentation?

[Gust, Dieter]

Sorry bad English - instead of exclamation marks I should say quotation marks

> I just tested FM 2019 15.0.3.603

"If you use "quotation marks" around the numeric sequence, the search works the 
way you want it to."
And Yes if you insert Index entries for any of these product designations like 
"123.456".
HTML would include an index search.



[cid:image003.jpg@01D500EE.67CF6840]



Dieter

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Hi Winfried,



additional answers:



5.) "Most of our products have order codes like 123.4567. When I want  to 
search for such order codes, the . is interpreted as separator between   two 
words. As if I want to search for 123 and 4567. I do not know a solution."



I just tested FM 2019 15.0.3.603

If you use exclamation marks round about the numeric sequence search works the 
way you asked for.



6.) In my tests in update 15.03.603 search term highlighting works!



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Subject: Re: [Framers] [FrameMaker 2019] Customizing responsive HTML5 output: 
best practices and good documentation?



Hi Winfried,

you recognized the different layout/formatting concept between Desktop 
FrameMaker with Paper/PDF Editing view and the different HTML layout and box 
model.

1.) "I do not know which font will be used. "

Font substitution you may define in the resulting CSS. Once defined you can use 
the CSS as part of the general conversion settings

2.) a) "Graphics conversion with SVG is best"

Sure it remains SVG

2.b) "However, if you have   some other objects in the same anchored frame, 
then you should  convert to raster images. I find the results much better than 
I expected."

This is the standard approach as the layer concept (as defined in FM) is not 
supported by the HTML conversion process The quality has been dramatically 
improved upon the several updates

3.) "When you have tables with table titles with several paragraphs, then  you 
have to use a work-around. HTML allows only a single paragraph."

See here: https://forums.adobe.com/message/10987920#10987920

4:) "I do not know how I can define which text goes into a topic title.   E.g. 
when my paragraph to start a new topic has a table anchor, then   the whole 
anchor paragraph and the whole table text will be in the topic

  title."

  Well that's clear, as the table anchor defines the position of the content of 
the table within the text flow. This table anchor is a DTP relict.

  Therefore in my templates tables must be anchored in an separate paragraphs 
called table anchor.

In addition topic title" is a very difficult term which is often misunderstood: 
For a customer a topic title always is the first paragraph in a HTML Topic and 
therefore it shall start with a heading.

If the topic content does not start with a heading the technical writer created 
a structural mistake.

In technical aspects the topic title might be interpreted as the HTML title 
tag. Therefore the conversion or topic creation process clearly must take into 
account that the first paragraph (heading) and the topic title will get the 
identical content.

A third aspect might be seen in the filename of the HTML topic: This can be but 
only "by accident" identical with the topic title but never should be taken as 
the standard topic title!

5.) "Most of our products have order codes like 123.4567. When I want  to 
search for such order codes, the . is interpreted as separator between   two 
words. As if I want to search for 123 and 4567. I do not know a solution."



6.) In my tests (FM 2019) using "wx.yz" seems to work, but highlighting didn't 
work - I'll ask the FM development team regarding this issue Regards Dieter 
Gust Aufsichtsrat, Leitung Forschung & Entwicklung itl AG, München



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Re: [Framers] [FrameMaker 2019] Customizing responsive HTML5 output: best practices and good documentation?

[Gust, Dieter]

Hi Winfried,

additional answers:

5.) "Most of our products have order codes like 123.4567. When I want  to 
search for such order codes, the . is interpreted as separator between   two 
words. As if I want to search for 123 and 4567. I do not know a solution."

I just tested FM 2019 15.0.3.603
If you use exclamation marks round about the numeric sequence search works the 
way you asked for.

6.) In my tests in update 15.03.603 search term highlighting works!

-Original Message-
From: Framers 
 On Behalf 
Of Gust, Dieter
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 10:56 AM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 

Subject: Re: [Framers] [FrameMaker 2019] Customizing responsive HTML5 output: 
best practices and good documentation?

Hi Winfried,
you recognized the different layout/formatting concept between Desktop 
FrameMaker with Paper/PDF Editing view and the different HTML layout and box 
model.
1.) "I do not know which font will be used. "
Font substitution you may define in the resulting CSS. Once defined you can use 
the CSS as part of the general conversion settings
2.) a) "Graphics conversion with SVG is best"
Sure it remains SVG
2.b) "However, if you have   some other objects in the same anchored frame, 
then you should  convert to raster images. I find the results much better than 
I expected."
This is the standard approach as the layer concept (as defined in FM) is not 
supported by the HTML conversion process The quality has been dramatically 
improved upon the several updates
3.) "When you have tables with table titles with several paragraphs, then  you 
have to use a work-around. HTML allows only a single paragraph."
See here: https://forums.adobe.com/message/10987920#10987920 
4:) "I do not know how I can define which text goes into a topic title.   E.g. 
when my paragraph to start a new topic has a table anchor, then   the whole 
anchor paragraph and the whole table text will be in the topic
  title."
  Well that's clear, as the table anchor defines the position of the content of 
the table within the text flow. This table anchor is a DTP relict. 
  Therefore in my templates tables must be anchored in an separate paragraphs 
called table anchor.
In addition topic title" is a very difficult term which is often misunderstood: 
For a customer a topic title always is the first paragraph in a HTML Topic and 
therefore it shall start with a heading. 
If the topic content does not start with a heading the technical writer created 
a structural mistake.
In technical aspects the topic title might be interpreted as the HTML title 
tag. Therefore the conversion or topic creation process clearly must take into 
account that the first paragraph (heading) and the topic title will get the 
identical content.
A third aspect might be seen in the filename of the HTML topic: This can be but 
only "by accident" identical with the topic title but never should be taken as 
the standard topic title!
5.) "Most of our products have order codes like 123.4567. When I want  to 
search for such order codes, the . is interpreted as separator between   two 
words. As if I want to search for 123 and 4567. I do not know a solution."

6.) In my tests (FM 2019) using "wx.yz" seems to work, but highlighting didn't 
work - I'll ask the FM development team regarding this issue Regards Dieter 
Gust Aufsichtsrat, Leitung Forschung & Entwicklung itl AG, München

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Re: [Framers] [FrameMaker 2019] Customizing responsive HTML5 output: best practices and good documentation?

[Gust, Dieter]

Hi Winfried,
you recognized the different layout/formatting concept between Desktop 
FrameMaker with Paper/PDF Editing view and the different HTML layout and box 
model.
1.) "I do not know which font will be used. "
Font substitution you may define in the resulting CSS. Once defined you can use 
the CSS as part of the general conversion settings
2.) a) "Graphics conversion with SVG is best"
Sure it remains SVG
2.b) "However, if you have   some other objects in the same anchored frame, 
then you should  convert to raster images. I find the results much better than 
I expected."
This is the standard approach as the layer concept (as defined in FM) is not 
supported by the HTML conversion process
The quality has been dramatically improved upon the several updates
3.) "When you have tables with table titles with several paragraphs, then  you 
have to use a work-around. HTML allows only a single paragraph."
See here: https://forums.adobe.com/message/10987920#10987920 
4:) "I do not know how I can define which text goes into a topic title.   E.g. 
when my paragraph to start a new topic has a table anchor, then   the whole 
anchor paragraph and the whole table text will be in the topic
  title."
  Well that's clear, as the table anchor defines the position of the content of 
the table within the text flow. This table anchor is a DTP relict. 
  Therefore in my templates tables must be anchored in an separate paragraphs 
called table anchor.
In addition topic title" is a very difficult term which is often misunderstood: 
For a customer a topic title always is the first paragraph in a HTML Topic and 
therefore it shall start with a heading. 
If the topic content does not start with a heading the technical writer created 
a structural mistake.
In technical aspects the topic title might be interpreted as the HTML title 
tag. Therefore the conversion or topic creation process clearly must take into 
account that the first paragraph (heading) and the topic title will get the 
identical content.
A third aspect might be seen in the filename of the HTML topic: This can be but 
only "by accident" identical with the topic title but never should be taken as 
the standard topic title!
5.) "Most of our products have order codes like 123.4567. When I want  to 
search for such order codes, the . is interpreted as separator between   two 
words. As if I want to search for 123 and 4567. I do not know a solution."

6.) In my tests (FM 2019) using "wx.yz" seems to work, but highlighting didn't 
work - I'll ask the FM development team regarding this issue
Regards
Dieter Gust
Aufsichtsrat, Leitung Forschung & Entwicklung
itl AG, München
+49 89 892623-600
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Betreff: Re: [Framers] [FrameMaker 2019] Customizing responsive HTML5 output: 
best practices and good documentation?

Hi Yves,

I also started to convert my unstructured documentation to HTML5.
And I do not have any tutorials or best practices. I am still experimenting.
I will look for more information in the online help and in the various forums 
and blogs.
My first impressions and questions:

o Default settings are good.

o I do not know which font will be used. Probably my font will be replaced
  by something else. However, I do not know, which fonts are on Android
  or iOS. Is there are default replacement?

o Graphics conversion with SVG is best. However, if you have
  some other objects in the same anchored frame, then you should
  convert to raster images. I find the results much better than I expected.

o When you have tables with table titles with several paragraphs, then
  you have to use a work-around. HTML allows only a single paragraph.
  See here: https://forums.adobe.com/message/10987920#10987920

o I do not know how I can define which text goes into a topic title.
  E.g. when my paragraph to start a new topic has a table anchor, then
  the whole anchor paragraph and the whole table text will be in the topic
  title.

o Most of our products have order codes like 123.4567. When I want
  to search for such order codes, the . is interpreted as separator between
  two words. As if I want to search for 123 and 4567. I do not know a solution.

o Of course I had written documents with a certain layout. I have to find
  solutions for some of my paragraph layouts (e.g. right-aligned tab stops).

o I adapt a copy of the regular settings file on our network. I do not know,
  if there is a standard solution, where this settings file should reside.

Best regards

Winfried

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Subject: [Framers] [FrameMaker 2019] Customizing responsive HTML5 output: best 
practices and good documentation?

Hi group

I'm looking for best practices and good documentation (or user 

Re: [Framers] FM 2019: Save As PDF produces PDFs with Invalid Colorspace

[Gust, Dieter]

>AW: [Framers] FM 2019: Save As PDF produces PDFs with Invalid Colorspace
Hi Lin,
 I think you have you have not installed 2019 Update 1.
This should fix your issue with the invalid  color space
http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2018/10/framemaker-2019-update-1.html

Regards

Dieter Gust

itl AG, München
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An: Frame Users 
Betreff: [Framers] FM 2019: Save As PDF produces PDFs with Invalid Colorspace

Printing to the Adobe PDF printer, however, creates happy little PDFs.

What am I doing wrong?

--
Lin Sims

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Re: [Framers] Can't Save As PDF or Print to Adobe PDF Printer, Windows 10

[Gust, Dieter]

I checked FM 2019 with an imported SVG file: no crash!
Please send an SVG file

Regards Dieter Gust
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Gesendet: Montag, 10. September 2018 19:59
An: Frame Users 
Betreff: Re: [Framers] Can't Save As PDF or Print to Adobe PDF Printer, Windows 
10

Would anyone who has the Shiny! New! Improved! FrameMaker 2019 be willing to 
see if it, also, crashes when an SVG file is included? I'm even willing to 
provide a small SVG file that can be used to test with.

On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 9:14 AM Lin Sims  wrote:

> I've added this as a Bug on the Adobe Tracker:  FRMAKER-5286
> https://tracker.adobe.com/#/view/FRMAKER-5286
>
> On Sat, Sep 8, 2018 at 12:44 PM Lin Sims  wrote:
>
>> Windows 10 strikes again, it seems. As all may recall, the 1803 build 
>> of Windows 10 bolluxed the ability of Framemaker to create PDF files.
>> Microsoft supposedly fixed this issue in July.
>>
>> Except not quite. We use SVG images in our Framemaker files, and as 
>> of August 31, my coworker, who is on Windows 10, *cannot *create a 
>> PDF. In fact, Frame freezes and has to be killed via TaskManager.
>>
>> I have Windows 7 on my work computer, and I *can *create a PDF from 
>> the same files he can't.
>>
>> On my home computer, I have Windows 10 and Framemaker 2017 (same 
>> versions as my coworker has at work). I tested several different 
>> documents, and got the same results he did.
>>
>> We have fully updated Windows and fully updated Framemaker 2017 and 
>> fully updated Acrobat Pro DC. I have tried switching from RGB to CMYK 
>> with no success. I also tried running Framemaker in Windows 7 
>> compatibility mode, with no success.
>>
>> Who do I scream at at Microsoft to get this *FIXED*? We can, 
>> obviously, workaround by using Visio files instead, but that means 
>> wrapping the sheet size to the image, which is going to play hob with 
>> making changes if we need to later on. Not a deal breaker, but damned 
>> inconvenient and it wouldn't be necessary if Microsoft hadn't broken things 
>> to begin with.
>> Lin Sims

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Re: [Framers] Responsive HTML layout

[Gust, Dieter]

Gillian,
> Framers  Im Auftrag 
> von gill6034
> [Framers] Responsive HTML layout
> Before publishing, I edited the STS file and edited the azure layout. I 
> changed the color of the background, and then added a company logo. 
> After saving the changes and building my help file, Frame ignored all of my 
> layout changes. 
I remember this bug in outdated FM versions. Which FrameMaker version do you 
use including Built number?

Regards
Dieter 
itl AG, München

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Re: [Framers] Editing Footer in HTML5 Responsive output from FrameMaker

[Gust, Dieter]

Caroline asked
"My project is checked to use an html template, but not the default one in the 
system (as that one does not have that copyright line in it)
The question is where or how can I find the actual file that I used?"

Well I fear, you'll have no chance: Only the content of the imported HTML 
template is mapped as part of the settings.
Try  the following: 

1. Identify the correct settings file (extension sts) for your HTML5 output

2. Copy the settings file to a working folder and rename it by adding .zip 
extension
Now you see it is a ZIP file where you can look into

3. Identify MasterPage.htt in the subfolder of this zip file 
\responsive_html5_!MasterPage!\MasterPage.htt

4. Try to identify the text you want to change " copyright 2017" Change the 
text as desired

5. Rename the settings file back to .sts

Be careful: Using a ZIP-extraction tool and re-zipping the files after 
modifying them may add an unwanted sub folder, which makes the STS file 
useless, until you remove the subfolder (This is a question only how the ZIP 
tool works)

The other solution is: 
Copy the sub folder PageTemplate located at "C:\Program Files (x86)\Adobe\Adobe 
FrameMaker 2017\fminit\Publisher\Template\Document\PageTemplate\" to any 
working folder
Change the "HTMLTemplate.htm" as desired and import this modified HTML page 
Template (File > Publish >Settings File - Edit > Output > Use HTML page 
Template: from the new location)

Note: Copying the HTMLTemplate.htm only for changing it is not enough at least 
you must copy pagetemplate.css as during import in FrameMaker checks if the css 
file exists just beside the location of the page HTMLTemplate.htm
Regards

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Re: [Framers] Editing Footer in HTML5 Responsive output from FrameMaker

[Gust, Dieter]

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Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. Februar 2018 13:28

Betreff: [Framers] Editing Footer in HTML5 Responsive output from FrameMaker

I set up a footer in the help files saying copyright 2017, and now they want me 
to change it to 2018
The problem is that I don't remember how I did this FrameMaker 2015

Does anyone know?

Caroline Tabach



Try this

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[cid:image006.jpg@01D3AFDB.77F80D40]

At the bottom of the HTML page template you see "footer"

Regards

Dieter Gust

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Re: [Framers] OFF TOPIC, Translation Need.

[Gust, Dieter]

> Anyone want to recommend a good translation company. Going to start with 
> German. 

itl is a leading translation service company in Germany, ISO 17100 and ISO 9001 
certified
Customers like BMW, Dräger Medical, ABB, Yaskava, Bosch. and many others.

Kind regards

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An: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Betreff: [Framers] OFF TOPIC, Translation Need.

Hello Framers, 

Anyone want to recommend a good translation company. Going to start with 
German. 

Thank you All. 

Rick
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Response from Adobe - Print to .PS issue - Cause and solution

[Gust, Dieter]

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: Response from Adobe - Print to .PS issue - Cause and solution

>I'm curious to hear how well that works. 
> Seems like editing unstructured documents in structured mode is likely to 
> have side effects. If that weren't the case, why even have the mode switch?

FM has a long history (and structured  and non-structured FM had been separate 
products) - already years ago the FM evangelist just said that: Use structured 
mode only even for unstructured documents because FM's layout engine and PDF 
interface are for unstructured documents the same in both modes.

Dieter Gust
itl AG, Munich, Germany

RE: More bad news on TCS4: no longer includes Photoshop

[Gust, Dieter]

From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Rob Shell
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 12:23 PM
Subject: More bad news on TCS4: no longer includes Photoshop

  I must add that I have found another disadvantage to buying TCS4, especially 
 if you are a first-time buyer. 
 TCS4 does not include Photoshop, whereas TCS2 does, or did
 I must confess that I find it odd that Adobe and not a single reviewer has 
 mentioned this.
If you really need Photoshop, I understand you.

If you think of typical technical documentation use cases, RoboScreenCapture 
and Illustrator which are  included instead of Photoshop (!!) are the better 
choice. .

 1. One cannot print a book in unstructured FM11.
You refer to a bug, which is really annoying, but printing the book in 
structured mode might be a suitable workaround for the short.
Save the book as PDF file is working in unstructured mode.

 2. Forget about online support.
Why? Online support always is a combination of official Adobe feedback and 
customer feedback from all over the world.
While an official Adobe feedback always will have to take into account side 
effects and therefore must be careful with hastily tips and workarounds, a lot 
of well-known experts in framers are giving fast and valuable feedback to 
almost any problem.

 3. Do without Photoshop.
Most technical documentation use cases don't deal with CMYK  so I think cheap 
software or freeware (Photoshop Elements, IrfanView...) should fulfill the 
demands. For screenshots RoboScreenCapture (which is good) is included in TCS4. 
A lot of customers asked for switching from Photoshop to Illustrator which is 
now included in TCS4.

 4. Forget about timely patches
Why?
The Adobe TCS team is always seeking dedicated contact to TCS customers, and 
while I hate bugs like  a plague Adobe delivers patches as soon as possible. 
O.K. The Adobe team might think about a similar approach like Microsoft in 
order to establish hotfixes beside regular patches.

 As a user of many programs over the years, what I see here is a drastic 
 cutting down of FrameMaker 
If you think of licenses I fear you may be right but if you think of the 
commitment of Adobe this has increased from year to year.
But indeed to compete with InDesign and Word the commitment might still be much 
too little.
Dieter Gust
itl AG, Munich
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More bad news on TCS4: no longer includes Photoshop

[Gust, Dieter]

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Rob Shell
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 12:23 PM
Subject: More bad news on TCS4: no longer includes Photoshop

>  I must add that I have found another disadvantage to buying TCS4, especially 
> if you are a first-time buyer. 
> TCS4 does not include Photoshop, whereas TCS2 does, or did
> I must confess that I find it odd that Adobe and not a single reviewer has 
> mentioned this.
If you really need Photoshop, I understand you.

If you think of typical technical documentation use cases, RoboScreenCapture 
and Illustrator which are  included instead of Photoshop (!!) are the better 
choice. .

> 1. One cannot print a book in unstructured FM11.
You refer to a bug, which is really annoying, but printing the book in 
structured mode might be a suitable workaround for the short.
Save the book as PDF file is working in unstructured mode.

> 2. Forget about online support.
Why? Online support always is a combination of official Adobe feedback and 
customer feedback from all over the world.
While an official Adobe feedback always will have to take into account side 
effects and therefore must be careful with hastily tips and workarounds, a lot 
of well-known experts in framers are giving fast and valuable feedback to 
almost any problem.

> 3. Do without Photoshop.
Most technical documentation use cases don't deal with CMYK  so I think cheap 
software or freeware (Photoshop Elements, IrfanView...) should fulfill the 
demands. For screenshots RoboScreenCapture (which is good) is included in TCS4. 
A lot of customers asked for switching from Photoshop to Illustrator which is 
now included in TCS4.

> 4. Forget about timely patches
Why?
The Adobe TCS team is always seeking dedicated contact to TCS customers, and 
while "I hate bugs like  a plague" Adobe delivers patches as soon as possible. 
O.K. The Adobe team might think about a similar approach like Microsoft in 
order to establish "hotfixes" beside regular patches.

> As a user of many programs over the years, what I see here is a drastic 
> cutting down of FrameMaker 
If you think of licenses I fear you may be right but if you think of the 
commitment of Adobe this has increased from year to year.
But indeed to compete with InDesign and Word the commitment might still be much 
too little.
Dieter Gust
itl AG, Munich

RE: Zenserve Book Store plug-in replacement

[Gust, Dieter]

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of 
rradcli...@invacare.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 11:39 PM
Subject: Zenserve Book Store plug-in replacement

 Would any of you have a recommendation for a replacement to Book Store? 
 Any help would be appreciated.
 Rob Radcliffe

My company has developed the FrameScript Script FM Archive which goes far 
beyond bookstore and Foster's Archive. 
We usually sell this script as part of our script bundles called i-frame.
it might be worth just mentioning that prices and functionality of our scripts 
are far above the cheaper solutions, ...

FM Archive is not listed yet, but it is already available, for the English 
version of FrameMaker.
For an overview of i-frame see: 
http://www.i-frame.itl.info/framescript.html?L=1http://www_high-five_at/_fanclub/_resources/ezu/ocibi/=

Dieter Gust
Director RD

itl Institut für technische Literatur AG
Moosacher Str. 14
80809 München
Tel: +49 (089) 892623-600
http://www.itl.eu

http://www.i-flow.itl.info  
http://www.i-match.itl.info  
http://www.i-frame.itl.info  

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Zenserve Book Store plug-in replacement

[Gust, Dieter]

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at 
lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of rradcli...@invacare.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 11:39 PM
Subject: Zenserve Book Store plug-in replacement

> Would any of you have a recommendation for a replacement to Book Store? 
> Any help would be appreciated.
> Rob Radcliffe

My company has developed the FrameScript Script "FM Archive" which goes far 
beyond "bookstore" and Foster's "Archive". 
We usually sell this script as part of our script bundles called i-frame.
it might be worth just mentioning that prices and functionality of our scripts 
are far above the cheaper solutions, ...

FM Archive is not listed yet, but it is already available, for the English 
version of FrameMaker.
For an overview of i-frame see: 
http://www.i-frame.itl.info/framescript.html?=1://www_high-five_at/_fanclub/_resources/ezu/ocibi/=

Dieter Gust
Director R

itl Institut f?r technische Literatur AG
Moosacher Str. 14
80809 M?nchen
Tel: +49 (089) 892623-600
http://www.itl.eu

http://www.i-flow.itl.info? 
http://www.i-match.itl.info? 
http://www.i-frame.itl.info? 

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RE: PDF bookmark font is Arial not Arial-CE

[Gust, Dieter]

RE: PDF bookmark font is Arial not Arial-CE

 Subject: RE: PDF bookmark font is Arial not Arial-CE
This is a well known problem and one of the major reasons to switch to Unicode 
FrameMaker (=FM 8) as soon as possible.

If this is not an option for you, take a look at 
http://www.itl.eu/159.html?L=1 
The itl FrameMaker  PDF Controller solves the issue. 
For details of the issue see the PDF manual.

Regards 
Dieter 
itl - Institut für technische Literatur AG 
Tel:   +49 (089) 892623-600
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PDF bookmark font is Arial not Arial-CE

[Gust, Dieter]

RE: PDF bookmark font is Arial not Arial-CE

> Subject: RE: PDF bookmark font is Arial not Arial-CE
This is a well known problem and one of the major reasons to switch to Unicode 
FrameMaker (=FM 8) as soon as possible.

If this is not an option for you, take a look at 
http://www.itl.eu/159.html?=1 
The itl FrameMaker  PDF Controller solves the issue. 
For details of the issue see the PDF manual.

Regards 
Dieter 
itl - Institut f?r technische Literatur AG 
Tel:   +49 (089) 892623-600
eMail:   dieter.gust at itl.eu 

RE: Release Date for FrameMaker 8?

[Gust, Dieter]

Seen from multi-language publishing point of view the recent update
FM 7.2p158 is the most important one for the last years
http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=3332
If a company wants to stick to FrameMaker for the next years and produces 
documentation for the European countries I strongly recommend to update as soon 
as possible.
Multiple Undo, numerous bug fixes and the XML related improvements are really a 
good basis for the future of Desktop Publishing with or without XML and be 
worth the upgrade costs.

There really is no alternative to FrameMaker as for example the improvements of 
Word 2007 are for greeting card designers and not for the creation of technical 
documentation.
If you agree to this perception you may keep cool in looking for the next Adobe 
FrameMaker updates. The most important point is: FrameMaker is living and Adobe 
now shows that the want to keep FrameMaker alive.
If you take a look at all the great plug-ins and FrameScript Scripts for 
FrameMaker (best links: http://www.leximation.com/toolsearch/ and 
http://www.itl.de/html/englisch/consulting/fsl/default.html
then you will see: There really is no need to call into question the future of 
FrameMaker.


Regards
Dieter Gust
Management RD
itl - Institut für technische Literatur AG

Tel.: +49 (089) 89 26 23 - 600
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.itl.de
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itl ideas * actions * solutions

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
 Behalf Of Dov Isaacs
 Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 5:44 AM
 To: Alan Houser; Diane Gaskill
 Cc: framers@frameusers.com; Neil Tubb
 Subject: RE: Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
 Diane Gaskill obviously does NOT have a reliable source
 inside Adobe.
   - Dov
 
   On Behalf Of Alan Houser
  Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 11:51 AM
  To: Diane Gaskill
  Cc: framers@frameusers.com; Neil Tubb
  Subject: Re: Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
  Given Adobe's historical 18-month release cycle, I would be 
 surprised 
  to see a new FrameMaker release within a couple of months. 
 (I believe 
  FrameMaker 7.2 shipped in September 2005).
  Pleasantly surprised, of course.
  (April 2005), and Acrobat 7 has been out even longer. Given the 
  propensity of even internal Adobe folks to confuse products like 
  PageMaker and FrameMaker, I might speculate that the source was 
  mis-informed. Only Adobe knows for certain, however.
  -Alan
  
  Diane Gaskill wrote:
   I've heard from a reliable source inside Adobe that it could be out 
   within a couple of months.
   Diane
   -Original Message-
   From: lists.frameusers.com
   Behalf Of Neil Tubb
   Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 1:01 PM
   To: framers@frameusers.com
   Subject: Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
   Anyone have a clue as to Adobe's plans for the next major release of
   FrameMaker? I'm trying to convince my boss to upgrade us to 7.2 from
   7.1 (ooohh...multiple undos!), but he wants to know first if a major
   upgrade is around the corner. Any insight here would be greatly 
   appreciated.
   Cheers,

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Release Date for FrameMaker 8?

[Gust, Dieter]

Seen from multi-language publishing point of view the recent update
FM 7.2p158 is the most important one for the last years
http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=3332
If a company wants to stick to FrameMaker for the next years and produces 
documentation for the European countries I strongly recommend to update as soon 
as possible.
Multiple Undo, numerous bug fixes and the XML related improvements are really a 
good basis for the future of Desktop Publishing with or without XML and be 
worth the upgrade costs.

There really is no alternative to FrameMaker as for example the improvements of 
Word 2007 are for greeting card designers and not for the creation of technical 
documentation.
If you agree to this perception you may keep cool in looking for the next Adobe 
FrameMaker updates. The most important point is: FrameMaker is living and Adobe 
now shows that the want to keep FrameMaker alive.
If you take a look at all the great plug-ins and FrameScript Scripts for 
FrameMaker (best links: http://www.leximation.com/toolsearch/ and 
http://www.itl.de/html/englisch/consulting/fsl/default.html
then you will see: There really is no need to call into question the future of 
FrameMaker.


Regards
Dieter Gust
Management R
itl - Institut f?r technische Literatur AG

Tel.: +49 (089) 89 26 23 - 600
mailto:dgust at itl.de http://www.itl.de
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> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces+dgust=itl.de at lists.frameusers.com 
> [mailto:framers-bounces+dgust=itl.de at lists.frameusers.com] On 
> Behalf Of Dov Isaacs
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 5:44 AM
> To: Alan Houser; Diane Gaskill
> Cc: framers at frameusers.com; Neil Tubb
> Subject: RE: Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
> Diane Gaskill obviously does NOT have a "reliable source"
> inside Adobe.
>   - Dov
> 
> >  On Behalf Of Alan Houser
> > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 11:51 AM
> > To: Diane Gaskill
> > Cc: framers at frameusers.com; Neil Tubb
> > Subject: Re: Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
> > Given Adobe's historical 18-month release cycle, I would be 
> surprised 
> > to see a new FrameMaker release within a couple of months. 
> (I believe 
> > FrameMaker 7.2 shipped in September 2005).
> > Pleasantly surprised, of course.
> > (April 2005), and Acrobat 7 has been out even longer. Given the 
> > propensity of even internal Adobe folks to confuse products like 
> > "PageMaker" and "FrameMaker", I might speculate that the source was 
> > mis-informed. Only Adobe knows for certain, however.
> > -Alan
> > 
> > Diane Gaskill wrote:
> > > I've heard from a reliable source inside Adobe that it could be out 
> > > within a couple of months.
> > > Diane
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: lists.frameusers.com
> > > Behalf Of Neil Tubb
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 1:01 PM
> > > To: framers at frameusers.com
> > > Subject: Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
> > > Anyone have a clue as to Adobe's plans for the next major release of
> > > FrameMaker? I'm trying to convince my boss to upgrade us to 7.2 from
> > > 7.1 (ooohh...multiple undos!), but he wants to know first if a major
> > > upgrade is around the corner. Any insight here would be greatly 
> > > appreciated.
> > > Cheers,

RE: TOCs at beginning of each chapter

[Gust, Dieter]

David Wollenberger wrote: 
... I am attempting to develop a template where there is a TOC at the 
beginning of each chapter...

Take a look at our FrameScript Script DocToc also. 
I believe it's the most comprehensive solution for managing FrameMaker Chapter 
TOCs automatically. By the way the script includes a formatting optimization 
for line breaks in TOCs
http://www.itl.de/html/englisch/consulting/fsl/solutions-2.html

Regards
Dieter Gust
itl - Institut für technische Literatur AG

Tel.: +49 (089) 89 26 23 - 600
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TOCs at beginning of each chapter

[Gust, Dieter]

David Wollenberger wrote: 
>... I am attempting to develop a template where there is a TOC at the 
>beginning of each chapter...

Take a look at our FrameScript Script DocToc also. 
I believe it's the most comprehensive solution for managing FrameMaker Chapter 
TOCs automatically. By the way the script includes a formatting optimization 
for line breaks in TOCs
http://www.itl.de/html/englisch/consulting/fsl/solutions-2.html

Regards
Dieter Gust
itl - Institut f?r technische Literatur AG

Tel.: +49 (089) 89 26 23 - 600
mailto:dgust at itl.de  http://www.itl.de 

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RE: Opentype/special characters

[Gust, Dieter]

 Message: 15
 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:04:58 -0800
 From: Dov Isaacs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: Opentype/special characters
 FrameMaker does not directly support the extended character sets
 available in many OpenType fonts. There are some registry hacks
 that can be performed to provide a window over other parts of
 the font, but such techniques are not supported or endorsed by
 Adobe AND can leave you with documents that are incompatible
 with future versions of FrameMaker!

I'm sorry Dov, 

what you call registry hacks are by no means any secret technology. 
Contrariwise they are an official(!) Microsoft Windows procedure to enable 
different character sets (derived from Standard(!) Windows code pages) from an 
OpenType font to Non-Unicode applications like FrameMaker. 
FontSubstitutes exist since Windows 3 and they still exist in Windows XP. 
Without this feature all FrameMaker users of the European Union would be forced 
to throw FrameMaker away, as FrameMaker then would not support about half of 
the European languages.

Microsoft did not document this feature or the documentation got lost in the 
Microsoft Web as now we live in the Unicode age. On the other hand the 
FontSubstitutes feature is an integral part of the RTF specification so almost 
every one dealing with translation in non-western languages had and has to do 
with this feature (we also call virtual fonts) even if he/she didn't knew this.

http://www.microsoft.com/truetype/links/News.aspx?NID=901
http://support.microsoft.com/?scid=http%3a%2f%2fwww.support.microsoft.com%2fkb%2f159594%2fen-us%2f

The link pointing to WGL Assistant (a non Microsoft solution) is wrong.
Here is the correct link: http://wgl.typ.pl/
There you'll find all information you need about FontSubstitutes and virtual 
fonts.

It's interesting that Adobe officially refuses to support this Windows standard 
existing since Windows 3. But we live now in the Unicode age. We can hardly 
wait for Adobe to implement Unicode support into FrameMaker in order to forget 
what you called a hack.

With regard to the question how to insert less than or equal without using 
the Symbol font the answer is: If that character would belong to an official 
Windows code page you could easily insert it in FrameMaker, but it isn't

For an easy insertion of any character into a FrameMaker document take a look 
at:
http://www.itl.de/html/englisch/consulting/fsl/solutions-3.html


Regards Dieter Gust
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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www.itl.de
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Opentype/special characters

[Gust, Dieter]

> Message: 15
> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:04:58 -0800
> From: "Dov Isaacs" 
> Subject: RE: Opentype/special characters
> FrameMaker does not directly support the extended character sets
> available in many OpenType fonts. There are some registry hacks
> that can be performed to provide a "window" over other parts of
> the font, but such techniques are not supported or endorsed by
> Adobe AND can leave you with documents that are incompatible
> with future versions of FrameMaker!

I'm sorry Dov, 

what you call "registry hacks" are by no means any secret technology. 
Contrariwise they are an official(!) Microsoft Windows procedure to enable 
different character sets (derived from Standard(!) Windows code pages) from an 
OpenType font to Non-Unicode applications like FrameMaker. 
FontSubstitutes exist since Windows 3 and they still exist in Windows XP. 
Without this feature all FrameMaker users of the European Union would be forced 
to throw FrameMaker away, as FrameMaker then would not support about half of 
the European languages.

Microsoft did not document this feature or the documentation got lost in the 
Microsoft Web as now we live in the Unicode age. On the other hand the 
FontSubstitutes feature is an integral part of the RTF specification so almost 
every one dealing with translation in non-western languages had and has to do 
with this feature (we also call virtual fonts) even if he/she didn't knew this.

http://www.microsoft.com/truetype/links/News.aspx?NID=901
http://support.microsoft.com/?scid=http%3a%2f%2fwww.support.microsoft.com%2fkb%2f159594%2fen-us%2f

The link pointing to WGL Assistant (a non Microsoft solution) is wrong.
Here is the correct link: http://wgl.typ.pl/
There you'll find all information you need about FontSubstitutes and virtual 
fonts.

It's interesting that Adobe officially refuses to support this Windows standard 
existing since Windows 3. But we live now in the "Unicode age". We can hardly 
wait for Adobe to implement Unicode support into FrameMaker in order to forget 
what you called a "hack".

With regard to the question how to insert "less than or equal" without using 
the Symbol font the answer is: If that character would belong to an official 
Windows code page you could easily insert it in FrameMaker, but it isn't

For an easy insertion of any character into a FrameMaker document take a look 
at:
http://www.itl.de/html/englisch/consulting/fsl/solutions-3.html


Regards Dieter Gust
dgust at itl.de
itl AG
www.itl.de