Re: [Framers] Backup in different folder?

[Rick Quatro]

That's why I will sometimes do free demos or prototypes or short videos of a 
similar script. Some managers have no clue about the bottlenecks that 
writers/editors run into, but when they see something take 30 seconds that used 
to take all week, they suddenly get interested.

 

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I've worked for many a "penny wise and pound foolish" employer over the years...

 

Alison

 

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Speaking for myself, I say lazy and hard-headed. I can't stand doing "monkey
work." Automation has made work more tolerable and efficient for clients and
me. When a potential client tells me that they can't spend money on scripts,
I wonder if their managers know how much time and accuracy is lost through
doing repetitive tasks manually.

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Behalf Of Peter Gold
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Subject: Re: [Framers] Backup in different folder?

Lin, this proves that not only is FM really smart, but the FM community is
brilliantly self-correcting! ;)

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Re: [Framers] Backup in different folder?

[A Craig]

I've worked for many a "penny wise and pound foolish" employer over the 
years... 

Alison 


From: "Rick Quatro"  
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Sent: Wednesday, 18 December, 2019 08:29:35 
Subject: Re: [Framers] Backup in different folder? 

Speaking for myself, I say lazy and hard-headed. I can't stand doing "monkey 
work." Automation has made work more tolerable and efficient for clients and 
me. When a potential client tells me that they can't spend money on scripts, 
I wonder if their managers know how much time and accuracy is lost through 
doing repetitive tasks manually. 

-Original Message- 
From: Framers  On 
Behalf Of Peter Gold 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2019 11:03 AM 
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 
 
Subject: Re: [Framers] Backup in different folder? 

Lin, this proves that not only is FM really smart, but the FM community is 
brilliantly self-correcting! ;) 

On Wed, Dec 18, 2019, 7:15 AM Lin Sims  wrote: 

> I take it back. You can do anything in Frame if you put your mind to it! 
> 
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Re: [Framers] Backup in different folder?

[Lin Sims]

I automate as much as I can, and for that very reason. A few weeks ago, I
learned how to create a Quick Step in Outlook (company email, you know how
it is) that automates the emails I send asking for document reviews or
announcing released documents. I was really please to find I could set up
recipients and content like that. (MS does not make it easy.)

On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 11:29 AM Rick Quatro  wrote:

> Speaking for myself, I say lazy and hard-headed. I can't stand doing
> "monkey
> work." Automation has made work more tolerable and efficient for clients
> and
> me. When a potential client tells me that they can't spend money on
> scripts,
> I wonder if their managers know how much time and accuracy is lost through
> doing repetitive tasks manually.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers 
> On
> Behalf Of Peter Gold
> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2019 11:03 AM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> 
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Backup in different folder?
>
> Lin, this proves that not only is FM really smart, but the FM community is
> brilliantly self-correcting! ;)
>
> On Wed, Dec 18, 2019, 7:15 AM Lin Sims  wrote:
>
> > I take it back. You can do anything in Frame if you put your mind to it!
> >
> >
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Re: [Framers] Backup in different folder?

[Rick Quatro]

Speaking for myself, I say lazy and hard-headed. I can't stand doing "monkey
work." Automation has made work more tolerable and efficient for clients and
me. When a potential client tells me that they can't spend money on scripts,
I wonder if their managers know how much time and accuracy is lost through
doing repetitive tasks manually.

-Original Message-
From: Framers  On
Behalf Of Peter Gold
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2019 11:03 AM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.

Subject: Re: [Framers] Backup in different folder?

Lin, this proves that not only is FM really smart, but the FM community is
brilliantly self-correcting! ;)

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>
>
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Re: [Framers] Backup in different folder?

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Lin, this proves that not only is FM really smart, but the FM community is
brilliantly self-correcting! ;)

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Re: [Framers] Backup in different folder?

[Lin Sims]

I take it back. You can do anything in Frame if you put your mind to it!

Thank you for the information, Klaus. I may look into it.

On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 6:15 AM Klaus Daube  wrote:

> On 17 Dec 2019 at 11:25, Lin Sims wrote:
>
> > For example, table footnotes are always at the *very end* of the table.
> If
> > you have a multipage table, that can be a real nuisance.
>
> At the pre-Tekom *Adobe TC Partner Conference 2019* this November Jang
> Graat  showed me a script that does this:
> Convert table footnotes to ordinary footnotes.
> He is also currently developing Frexels: calculating in tables à la
> Excel...
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Re: [Framers] Backup in different folder?

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On 17 Dec 2019 at 11:25, Lin Sims wrote:

> For example, table footnotes are always at the *very end* of the table. If
> you have a multipage table, that can be a real nuisance. 

At the pre-Tekom Adobe TC Partner Conference 2019 this November Jang Graat 
 showed me a script that does this: Convert table 
footnotes 
to ordinary footnotes.
He is also currently developing Frexels: calculating in tables à la Excel...

Jang maintains a FrameMaker circus: «Make FrameMaker to jump through hoops» ...

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Re: [Framers] Backup in different folder?

[Lin Sims]

Almost anything. :)

Some things I think the design of the program make impossible. For example,
table footnotes are always at the *very end* of the table. If you have a
multipage table, that can be a real nuisance.

The only workaround is to put xrefs in the table to information in a footer
row that is formatted to look like a footnote, but then you have all of the
"footnotes" appearing on every page instead of only on the page where
they're wanted. Maybe what's needed is a way to make table footnotes go to
the bottom of the page like regular text footnotes instead of being part of
the table structure, but I have a sneaking suspicion that they wouldn't be
able to move with the table if edits changed its position.

On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 10:39 AM Peter Gold 
wrote:

> Just one more reason to believe that, in the right hands, FrameMaker can do
> anything authors discover that they need it to do, and that the collective
> community knowledge probably contains a solution!
>
> Thanks, Rick!
>
> On Tue, Dec 17, 2019, 6:20 AM Rick Quatro  wrote:
>
> > I posted a free script that will do this for you on my blog. Any
> questions
> > or comments are welcome.
> >
> > http://frameautomation.com/automatic-backup-on-save/
> >
> > Rick
> >
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Re: [Framers] Backup in different folder?

[Peter Gold]

Just one more reason to believe that, in the right hands, FrameMaker can do
anything authors discover that they need it to do, and that the collective
community knowledge probably contains a solution!

Thanks, Rick!

On Tue, Dec 17, 2019, 6:20 AM Rick Quatro  wrote:

> I posted a free script that will do this for you on my blog. Any questions
> or comments are welcome.
>
> http://frameautomation.com/automatic-backup-on-save/
>
> Rick
>
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Re: [Framers] Backup in different folder?

[Rick Quatro]

I posted a free script that will do this for you on my blog. Any questions or 
comments are welcome.

http://frameautomation.com/automatic-backup-on-save/

Rick

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Re: [Framers] Backup in different folder?

[4XScripts]

Even with a script it would not be very user-friendly:

The script had to change all the paths (graphics - textinsets - Xrefs..)

So in case of emergency you couldn't just copy the backup and paste it 
in the original folder. You also had to use a script, that changes all 
the paths.


Otherwise it would end up in a big mess.

Am 16.12.2019 um 17:47 schrieb Fred Ridder:

I don't believe this is possible, because the "Automatic backup on Save" feature dies not 
actually create a new file. All that feature does is change the extension on the last saved version 
of the file to add a .backup extension rather than flagging it to the OS as an unneeded file. The 
"backup" file does not include any of the changes that you have made in the current 
editing session, so IMO it is not really a backup. Maybe it's a *fallback* file, but to me a true 
backup is an extra copy of the *current* file.

-FR


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Subject: [Framers] Backup in different folder?

Hi guys...FM19...I like having an auto backup on Save, but I'd like them put in 
another folder. Possible?

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Re: [Framers] Backup in different folder?

[Fred Ridder]

I don't believe this is possible, because the "Automatic backup on Save" 
feature dies not actually create a new file. All that feature does is change 
the extension on the last saved version of the file to add a .backup extension 
rather than flagging it to the OS as an unneeded file. The "backup" file does 
not include any of the changes that you have made in the current editing 
session, so IMO it is not really a backup. Maybe it's a *fallback* file, but to 
me a true backup is an extra copy of the *current* file.

-FR


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To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 

Subject: [Framers] Backup in different folder?

Hi guys...FM19...I like having an auto backup on Save, but I'd like them put in 
another folder. Possible?

John Posada
[cid:image002.png@01D5B0EE.AF667490]Technical Writer
One Meadowlands Plaza, East Rutherford, NJ 07073
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Re: [Framers] Backup in different folder?

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On Thu, Dec 12, 2019, 12:18 PM John Posada  wrote:

> Hi guys...FM19...I like having an auto backup on Save, but I'd like them
> put in another folder. Possible?
>

* What about a script that's triggered by autosave events?

* Alternatively, a background script that writes a copy of a newly-saved
file, like Acrobat's Watched Folder feature?

p.

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Re: [Framers] Backup in different folder?

[Lin Sims]

Nope.

On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 9:27 AM John Posada  wrote:

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>
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[Framers] Backup in different folder?

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Hi guys...FM19...I like having an auto backup on Save, but I'd like them put in 
another folder. Possible?

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