Re: [Framers] Bootcamp vs. Parallels or VM, WAS: FrameMaker and Salesforce

[Pat Christenson]

Thank you to everyone who responded. I will definitely take your comments into 
account when making my decision.

Pat

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Salesforce

Indeed yes. The more you can assign, the better your experience. When I am 
giong to do intensive work in FM, Visio, etc, I assign 8Gb.

Alan

On 10/03/16 10:31 am, Scott Prentice wrote:
> You do need more RAM for VMs. An easy rule of thumb is 4GB per OS .. 4 
> for the Mac, and 4 for each VM. I've got 16GB, and that works great 
> for
> 3 OSes.
>
> ..scott
>
>
>
> On 3/9/16 1:17 PM, John Sgammato wrote:
>> Hi Pat,
>> I got my MacBook Pro in November 2012.
>> First I asked for a Windows machine. That was rejected.
>> Then I tried VirtualBox, and that did not work well for a number of 
>> reasons that I no longer recall.
>> (I had plenty of support from well-meaning engineers.) Then one of 
>> those well-meaning engineers took my Mac home over the weekend and 
>> when I got it back it was great. He had configured Bootcamp to use 
>> virtually all the Mac resources and since then it has been a Windows 
>> machine, first Win7 and now Win10 with TCS 2015.
>> I was just talking to our IT guy. I am due for an upgrade, but I told 
>> him that I don't want it because my system ain't broke, so please 
>> don't fix it.
>> About 21 months ago, we added two more writers. They got Macs, but 
>> set up Parallels. Parallels was a resource hog and their systems 
>> never ran as well as my older Bootcamp one. In December, they 
>> switched to Bootcamp, with happy results.
>> I recommend Bootcamp over Parallels or VirtualBox for our kind of work.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 3:51 PM, Pat Christenson < 
>> pat.christen...@morningstar.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, John -
>>>
>>> I've run FrameMaker under both Parallels and VMware Fusion but have 
>>> only used in on a Windows platform for the last several years. I may 
>>> soon be in a position to use a Mac again. I'm curious about your 
>>> preference for Bootcamp (which I've never used). I would also love 
>>> to hear from other Framers on this topic.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Pat Christenson
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> John Sgammato wrote:
>>>
>>> In other news, we are also a Mac house. Over three years of 
>>> trial-and-error, we have determined that our best setup is Bootcamp 
>>> on the Mac, not Parallels and not VirtualMachine.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Robyn Chittister 
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone use FrameMaker and then integrate that documentation 
>>>> with Salesforce?
>>>>
>>>> I'm 1 of 1-1/2 technical writers at a start up that creates cloud 
>>>> apps for Salesforce. We are currently using Salesforce Knowledge to 
>>>> create and deliver our documentation. Knowledge is possibly the 
>>>> worst documentation tool I have ever used. We've been looking at 
>>>> various single-sourcing solutions, and we're down to MadCap Flare 
>>>> and FrameMaker.
>>>>
>>>> I'm a FrameMaker user from way back - I started with FM+SGML 5.5 in 
>>>> 1999. I developed templates and tools for FM+SGML and FM+XML from 
>>>> 1999-2005. I've used FM 12 in an unstructured environment, and am 
>>>> happy to see the improvements. I'm not sure how many improvements 
>>>> there have been in the structured environment, however. I've tried 
>>>> to contact Adobe, and have gotten a human being to say he'll give 
>>>> my questions to a solutions specialist to answer. Knowing Adobe, 
>>>> I'm not
>>> going to hold my breath.
>>>> My questions are:
>>>>
>>>> - Is anyone here writing doc for Salesforce or Salesforce apps?
>>>> If so,
>>>> what tools do you use?
>>>> - Is there a good comparison of the most recent versions of 
>>>> Flare v.
>>> FM?
>>>> The only ones I've been able to find are from several years ago.
>>>> - Is anyone here usin

Re: [Framers] Bootcamp vs. Parallels or VM, WAS: FrameMaker and Salesforce

[Alan Litchfield]

Indeed yes. The more you can assign, the better your experience. When I 
am giong to do intensive work in FM, Visio, etc, I assign 8Gb.


Alan

On 10/03/16 10:31 am, Scott Prentice wrote:

You do need more RAM for VMs. An easy rule of thumb is 4GB per OS .. 4
for the Mac, and 4 for each VM. I've got 16GB, and that works great for
3 OSes.

..scott



On 3/9/16 1:17 PM, John Sgammato wrote:

Hi Pat,
I got my MacBook Pro in November 2012.
First I asked for a Windows machine. That was rejected.
Then I tried VirtualBox, and that did not work well for a number of
reasons
that I no longer recall.
(I had plenty of support from well-meaning engineers.)
Then one of those well-meaning engineers took my Mac home over the
weekend
and when I got it back it was great. He had configured Bootcamp to use
virtually all the Mac resources and since then it has been a Windows
machine, first Win7 and now Win10 with TCS 2015.
I was just talking to our IT guy. I am due for an upgrade, but I told him
that I don't want it because my system ain't broke, so please don't
fix it.
About 21 months ago, we added two more writers. They got Macs, but set up
Parallels. Parallels was a resource hog and their systems never ran as
well
as my older Bootcamp one. In December, they switched to Bootcamp, with
happy results.
I recommend Bootcamp over Parallels or VirtualBox for our kind of work.


On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 3:51 PM, Pat Christenson <
pat.christen...@morningstar.com> wrote:


Hi, John -

I've run FrameMaker under both Parallels and VMware Fusion but have only
used in on a Windows platform for the last several years. I may soon
be in
a position to use a Mac again. I'm curious about your preference for
Bootcamp (which I've never used). I would also love to hear from other
Framers on this topic.

Thanks.

Pat Christenson



John Sgammato wrote:

In other news, we are also a Mac house. Over three years of
trial-and-error, we have determined that our best setup is Bootcamp
on the
Mac, not Parallels and not VirtualMachine.


On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Robyn Chittister

wrote:


Hello,

Does anyone use FrameMaker and then integrate that documentation with
Salesforce?

I'm 1 of 1-1/2 technical writers at a start up that creates cloud apps
for Salesforce. We are currently using Salesforce Knowledge to create
and deliver our documentation. Knowledge is possibly the worst
documentation tool I have ever used. We've been looking at various
single-sourcing solutions, and we're down to MadCap Flare and
FrameMaker.

I'm a FrameMaker user from way back - I started with FM+SGML 5.5 in
1999. I developed templates and tools for FM+SGML and FM+XML from
1999-2005. I've used FM 12 in an unstructured environment, and am
happy to see the improvements. I'm not sure how many improvements
there have been in the structured environment, however. I've tried to
contact Adobe, and have gotten a human being to say he'll give my
questions to a solutions specialist to answer. Knowing Adobe, I'm not

going to hold my breath.

My questions are:

- Is anyone here writing doc for Salesforce or Salesforce apps?
If so,
what tools do you use?
- Is there a good comparison of the most recent versions of
Flare v.

FM?

The only ones I've been able to find are from several years ago.
- Is anyone here using FM+XML (either v12 or 2015) who could answer

some

specific questions I have about it?


We're a Mac house, so I can't just download the trial versions. We
understand that we will need to get me set up with a VM and Windows to
use the software we choose.

Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.

~Robyn

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Re: [Framers] Bootcamp vs. Parallels or VM, WAS: FrameMaker and Salesforce

[Alan Litchfield]

I have Windows 10 on Bootcamp. While I very rarely boot into Windows 
directly, Windows 7 and 10 both run very well on the Apple hardware.


I have mostly accessed the Bootcamp partition using VirtualBox until I 
upgraded to 10, then the VirtualBox Vm stopped working. Until could get 
it working again, I downloaded and installed a trial version of VMWare 
Fusion. I have to say the experience was more than pleasing. The 
virtualisation set up was fast and painless and the machine runs 
lickety-split.


I have since found the solution to the Windows 10 integration with 
VirtualBox and now have both that can run the same Bootcamp partition 
(not at the same time of course). VMWare is slick and fast whereas VB 
seems a bit clunky and dated. VB is also subject to bugs that Oracle do 
not seem inclined to invest in.


I am using FM 2015.

HIH
Alan



On 10/03/16 9:51 am, Pat Christenson wrote:

Hi, John -

I've run FrameMaker under both Parallels and VMware Fusion but have only used 
in on a Windows platform for the last several years. I may soon be in a 
position to use a Mac again. I'm curious about your preference for Bootcamp 
(which I've never used). I would also love to hear from other Framers on this 
topic.

Thanks.

Pat Christenson



John Sgammato wrote:

In other news, we are also a Mac house. Over three years of trial-and-error, we 
have determined that our best setup is Bootcamp on the Mac, not Parallels and 
not VirtualMachine.


On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Robyn Chittister 
wrote:


Hello,

Does anyone use FrameMaker and then integrate that documentation with
Salesforce?

I'm 1 of 1-1/2 technical writers at a start up that creates cloud apps
for Salesforce. We are currently using Salesforce Knowledge to create
and deliver our documentation. Knowledge is possibly the worst
documentation tool I have ever used. We've been looking at various
single-sourcing solutions, and we're down to MadCap Flare and FrameMaker.

I'm a FrameMaker user from way back - I started with FM+SGML 5.5 in
1999. I developed templates and tools for FM+SGML and FM+XML from
1999-2005. I've used FM 12 in an unstructured environment, and am
happy to see the improvements. I'm not sure how many improvements
there have been in the structured environment, however. I've tried to
contact Adobe, and have gotten a human being to say he'll give my
questions to a solutions specialist to answer. Knowing Adobe, I'm not going to 
hold my breath.

My questions are:

- Is anyone here writing doc for Salesforce or Salesforce apps? If so,
what tools do you use?
- Is there a good comparison of the most recent versions of Flare v. FM?
The only ones I've been able to find are from several years ago.
- Is anyone here using FM+XML (either v12 or 2015) who could answer some
specific questions I have about it?


We're a Mac house, so I can't just download the trial versions. We
understand that we will need to get me set up with a VM and Windows to
use the software we choose.

Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.

~Robyn

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Re: [Framers] Bootcamp vs. Parallels or VM, WAS: FrameMaker and Salesforce

[Liz Fraley]

My world looks a lot like Scott's...

On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 1:28 PM, Scott Prentice  wrote:

> I've been running Windows on a Mac for the past 7 years, using VMware
> Fusion. I'll never go back to the "old" world. If I just wanted to run
> Windows, stand-alone, I might consider using Bootcamp, but I find the
> ability to run multiple OSes simultaneously on the same system a huge
> bonus. I often run two instances of Windows along with the Mac OS, and
> switch between them for various tasks. All of my general computer tasks are
> done on the Mac side (email, web browsing, image management, non-FM
> content, XML coding and other development tasks), while FM (many versions)
> and Windows-specific development are all done in Windows.
>
> I've got VMs for XP, Vista, Win7, Win8, Win10, as well as a few Linux
> variants and a DOS VM just for kicks. I've got separate VMs for certain
> clients who may have special needs and I don't want to taint my development
> system with their stuff. I can run a server VM and connect to it from
> another VM to test CMS integration and development.
>
> Most of the "data" on the VMs actually resides on the Mac side of the
> system, and is accessed as a mounted drive from the VM .. so I can access
> the same data from each VM as needed. Also, this makes it easy for the data
> to get backed up through the Time Machine application running on the Mac OS.
>
> This is the most productive and flexible computer system I've ever used.
> I'm sure a similar setup could be done with Parallels, I just locked into
> Fusion when I started because that's what a client used at the time. They
> seem to go back and forth through the years as to which is "better", but I
> think it's probably a bit of a toss-up.
>
> My use of a computer is probably a little different than most, since I do
> development, and it's really nice to have easy access to so many Windows
> OSes, but I still think it's  a great way to work, if you need Windows.
> When (not if, but when) Windows crashes, it's easy to just restart the VM,
> and I haven't lost my general computer functionality. And I think that
> Windows starts faster as a VM than otherwise.
>
> Anyway .. that's my story. YMMV.
>
> Cheers,
> ...scott
> On 3/9/16 12:51 PM, Pat Christenson wrote:
>
>> Hi, John -
>>
>> I've run FrameMaker under both Parallels and VMware Fusion but have only
>> used in on a Windows platform for the last several years. I may soon be in
>> a position to use a Mac again. I'm curious about your preference for
>> Bootcamp (which I've never used). I would also love to hear from other
>> Framers on this topic.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Pat Christenson
>>
>> 
>>
>> John Sgammato wrote:
>>
>> In other news, we are also a Mac house. Over three years of
>> trial-and-error, we have determined that our best setup is Bootcamp on the
>> Mac, not Parallels and not VirtualMachine.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Robyn Chittister > >
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Does anyone use FrameMaker and then integrate that documentation with
>>> Salesforce?
>>>
>>> I'm 1 of 1-1/2 technical writers at a start up that creates cloud apps
>>> for Salesforce. We are currently using Salesforce Knowledge to create
>>> and deliver our documentation. Knowledge is possibly the worst
>>> documentation tool I have ever used. We've been looking at various
>>> single-sourcing solutions, and we're down to MadCap Flare and FrameMaker.
>>>
>>> I'm a FrameMaker user from way back - I started with FM+SGML 5.5 in
>>> 1999. I developed templates and tools for FM+SGML and FM+XML from
>>> 1999-2005. I've used FM 12 in an unstructured environment, and am
>>> happy to see the improvements. I'm not sure how many improvements
>>> there have been in the structured environment, however. I've tried to
>>> contact Adobe, and have gotten a human being to say he'll give my
>>> questions to a solutions specialist to answer. Knowing Adobe, I'm not
>>> going to hold my breath.
>>>
>>> My questions are:
>>>
>>> - Is anyone here writing doc for Salesforce or Salesforce apps? If
>>> so,
>>> what tools do you use?
>>> - Is there a good comparison of the most recent versions of Flare v.
>>> FM?
>>> The only ones I've been able to find are from several years ago.
>>> - Is anyone here using FM+XML (either v12 or 2015) who could answer
>>> some
>>> specific questions I have about it?
>>>
>>>
>>> We're a Mac house, so I can't just download the trial versions. We
>>> understand that we will need to get me set up with a VM and Windows to
>>> use the software we choose.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.
>>>
>>> ~Robyn
>>>
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>>>
>>>
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>>>
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Re: [Framers] Bootcamp vs. Parallels or VM, WAS: FrameMaker and Salesforce

[Scott Prentice]

You do need more RAM for VMs. An easy rule of thumb is 4GB per OS .. 4 
for the Mac, and 4 for each VM. I've got 16GB, and that works great for 
3 OSes.


...scott



On 3/9/16 1:17 PM, John Sgammato wrote:

Hi Pat,
I got my MacBook Pro in November 2012.
First I asked for a Windows machine. That was rejected.
Then I tried VirtualBox, and that did not work well for a number of reasons
that I no longer recall.
(I had plenty of support from well-meaning engineers.)
Then one of those well-meaning engineers took my Mac home over the weekend
and when I got it back it was great. He had configured Bootcamp to use
virtually all the Mac resources and since then it has been a Windows
machine, first Win7 and now Win10 with TCS 2015.
I was just talking to our IT guy. I am due for an upgrade, but I told him
that I don't want it because my system ain't broke, so please don't fix it.
About 21 months ago, we added two more writers. They got Macs, but set up
Parallels. Parallels was a resource hog and their systems never ran as well
as my older Bootcamp one. In December, they switched to Bootcamp, with
happy results.
I recommend Bootcamp over Parallels or VirtualBox for our kind of work.


On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 3:51 PM, Pat Christenson <
pat.christen...@morningstar.com> wrote:


Hi, John -

I've run FrameMaker under both Parallels and VMware Fusion but have only
used in on a Windows platform for the last several years. I may soon be in
a position to use a Mac again. I'm curious about your preference for
Bootcamp (which I've never used). I would also love to hear from other
Framers on this topic.

Thanks.

Pat Christenson



John Sgammato wrote:

In other news, we are also a Mac house. Over three years of
trial-and-error, we have determined that our best setup is Bootcamp on the
Mac, not Parallels and not VirtualMachine.


On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Robyn Chittister 
wrote:


Hello,

Does anyone use FrameMaker and then integrate that documentation with
Salesforce?

I'm 1 of 1-1/2 technical writers at a start up that creates cloud apps
for Salesforce. We are currently using Salesforce Knowledge to create
and deliver our documentation. Knowledge is possibly the worst
documentation tool I have ever used. We've been looking at various
single-sourcing solutions, and we're down to MadCap Flare and FrameMaker.

I'm a FrameMaker user from way back - I started with FM+SGML 5.5 in
1999. I developed templates and tools for FM+SGML and FM+XML from
1999-2005. I've used FM 12 in an unstructured environment, and am
happy to see the improvements. I'm not sure how many improvements
there have been in the structured environment, however. I've tried to
contact Adobe, and have gotten a human being to say he'll give my
questions to a solutions specialist to answer. Knowing Adobe, I'm not

going to hold my breath.

My questions are:

- Is anyone here writing doc for Salesforce or Salesforce apps? If so,
what tools do you use?
- Is there a good comparison of the most recent versions of Flare v.

FM?

The only ones I've been able to find are from several years ago.
- Is anyone here using FM+XML (either v12 or 2015) who could answer

some

specific questions I have about it?


We're a Mac house, so I can't just download the trial versions. We
understand that we will need to get me set up with a VM and Windows to
use the software we choose.

Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.

~Robyn

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Re: [Framers] Bootcamp vs. Parallels or VM, WAS: FrameMaker and Salesforce

[Scott Prentice]

I've been running Windows on a Mac for the past 7 years, using VMware 
Fusion. I'll never go back to the "old" world. If I just wanted to run 
Windows, stand-alone, I might consider using Bootcamp, but I find the 
ability to run multiple OSes simultaneously on the same system a huge 
bonus. I often run two instances of Windows along with the Mac OS, and 
switch between them for various tasks. All of my general computer tasks 
are done on the Mac side (email, web browsing, image management, non-FM 
content, XML coding and other development tasks), while FM (many 
versions) and Windows-specific development are all done in Windows.


I've got VMs for XP, Vista, Win7, Win8, Win10, as well as a few Linux 
variants and a DOS VM just for kicks. I've got separate VMs for certain 
clients who may have special needs and I don't want to taint my 
development system with their stuff. I can run a server VM and connect 
to it from another VM to test CMS integration and development.


Most of the "data" on the VMs actually resides on the Mac side of the 
system, and is accessed as a mounted drive from the VM .. so I can 
access the same data from each VM as needed. Also, this makes it easy 
for the data to get backed up through the Time Machine application 
running on the Mac OS.


This is the most productive and flexible computer system I've ever used. 
I'm sure a similar setup could be done with Parallels, I just locked 
into Fusion when I started because that's what a client used at the 
time. They seem to go back and forth through the years as to which is 
"better", but I think it's probably a bit of a toss-up.


My use of a computer is probably a little different than most, since I 
do development, and it's really nice to have easy access to so many 
Windows OSes, but I still think it's  a great way to work, if you need 
Windows. When (not if, but when) Windows crashes, it's easy to just 
restart the VM, and I haven't lost my general computer functionality. 
And I think that Windows starts faster as a VM than otherwise.


Anyway .. that's my story. YMMV.

Cheers,
...scott
On 3/9/16 12:51 PM, Pat Christenson wrote:

Hi, John -

I've run FrameMaker under both Parallels and VMware Fusion but have only used 
in on a Windows platform for the last several years. I may soon be in a 
position to use a Mac again. I'm curious about your preference for Bootcamp 
(which I've never used). I would also love to hear from other Framers on this 
topic.

Thanks.

Pat Christenson



John Sgammato wrote:

In other news, we are also a Mac house. Over three years of trial-and-error, we 
have determined that our best setup is Bootcamp on the Mac, not Parallels and 
not VirtualMachine.


On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Robyn Chittister 
wrote:


Hello,

Does anyone use FrameMaker and then integrate that documentation with
Salesforce?

I'm 1 of 1-1/2 technical writers at a start up that creates cloud apps
for Salesforce. We are currently using Salesforce Knowledge to create
and deliver our documentation. Knowledge is possibly the worst
documentation tool I have ever used. We've been looking at various
single-sourcing solutions, and we're down to MadCap Flare and FrameMaker.

I'm a FrameMaker user from way back - I started with FM+SGML 5.5 in
1999. I developed templates and tools for FM+SGML and FM+XML from
1999-2005. I've used FM 12 in an unstructured environment, and am
happy to see the improvements. I'm not sure how many improvements
there have been in the structured environment, however. I've tried to
contact Adobe, and have gotten a human being to say he'll give my
questions to a solutions specialist to answer. Knowing Adobe, I'm not going to 
hold my breath.

My questions are:

- Is anyone here writing doc for Salesforce or Salesforce apps? If so,
what tools do you use?
- Is there a good comparison of the most recent versions of Flare v. FM?
The only ones I've been able to find are from several years ago.
- Is anyone here using FM+XML (either v12 or 2015) who could answer some
specific questions I have about it?


We're a Mac house, so I can't just download the trial versions. We
understand that we will need to get me set up with a VM and Windows to
use the software we choose.

Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.

~Robyn

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Re: [Framers] Bootcamp vs. Parallels or VM, WAS: FrameMaker and Salesforce

[John Sgammato]

Hi Pat,
I got my MacBook Pro in November 2012.
First I asked for a Windows machine. That was rejected.
Then I tried VirtualBox, and that did not work well for a number of reasons
that I no longer recall.
(I had plenty of support from well-meaning engineers.)
Then one of those well-meaning engineers took my Mac home over the weekend
and when I got it back it was great. He had configured Bootcamp to use
virtually all the Mac resources and since then it has been a Windows
machine, first Win7 and now Win10 with TCS 2015.
I was just talking to our IT guy. I am due for an upgrade, but I told him
that I don't want it because my system ain't broke, so please don't fix it.
About 21 months ago, we added two more writers. They got Macs, but set up
Parallels. Parallels was a resource hog and their systems never ran as well
as my older Bootcamp one. In December, they switched to Bootcamp, with
happy results.
I recommend Bootcamp over Parallels or VirtualBox for our kind of work.


On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 3:51 PM, Pat Christenson <
pat.christen...@morningstar.com> wrote:

> Hi, John -
>
> I've run FrameMaker under both Parallels and VMware Fusion but have only
> used in on a Windows platform for the last several years. I may soon be in
> a position to use a Mac again. I'm curious about your preference for
> Bootcamp (which I've never used). I would also love to hear from other
> Framers on this topic.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Pat Christenson
>
> 
>
> John Sgammato wrote:
>
> In other news, we are also a Mac house. Over three years of
> trial-and-error, we have determined that our best setup is Bootcamp on the
> Mac, not Parallels and not VirtualMachine.
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Robyn Chittister 
> wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > Does anyone use FrameMaker and then integrate that documentation with
> > Salesforce?
> >
> > I'm 1 of 1-1/2 technical writers at a start up that creates cloud apps
> > for Salesforce. We are currently using Salesforce Knowledge to create
> > and deliver our documentation. Knowledge is possibly the worst
> > documentation tool I have ever used. We've been looking at various
> > single-sourcing solutions, and we're down to MadCap Flare and FrameMaker.
> >
> > I'm a FrameMaker user from way back - I started with FM+SGML 5.5 in
> > 1999. I developed templates and tools for FM+SGML and FM+XML from
> > 1999-2005. I've used FM 12 in an unstructured environment, and am
> > happy to see the improvements. I'm not sure how many improvements
> > there have been in the structured environment, however. I've tried to
> > contact Adobe, and have gotten a human being to say he'll give my
> > questions to a solutions specialist to answer. Knowing Adobe, I'm not
> going to hold my breath.
> >
> > My questions are:
> >
> >- Is anyone here writing doc for Salesforce or Salesforce apps? If so,
> >what tools do you use?
> >- Is there a good comparison of the most recent versions of Flare v.
> FM?
> >The only ones I've been able to find are from several years ago.
> >- Is anyone here using FM+XML (either v12 or 2015) who could answer
> some
> >specific questions I have about it?
> >
> >
> > We're a Mac house, so I can't just download the trial versions. We
> > understand that we will need to get me set up with a VM and Windows to
> > use the software we choose.
> >
> > Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.
> >
> > ~Robyn
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> > *Robyn Chittister  |  Senior Technical Writer*
> >
> > E: rchittis...@vlocity.com  |  P: 925.695.5710 |  W: www.vlocity.com
> > 
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Re: [Framers] Bootcamp vs. Parallels or VM, WAS: FrameMaker and Salesforce

[Robert Lauriston]

Using Boot Camp to install Windows on a Mac is like setting up
dual-boot Windows and Linux on a PC. There's no VM, no integration
between Windows apps and OS X. You install Windows from an
installation disc, then reboot to switch from one operating system to
the other.

On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 12:51 PM, Pat Christenson
 wrote:
> Hi, John -
>
> I've run FrameMaker under both Parallels and VMware Fusion but have only used 
> in on a Windows platform for the last several years. I may soon be in a 
> position to use a Mac again. I'm curious about your preference for Bootcamp 
> (which I've never used). I would also love to hear from other Framers on this 
> topic.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Pat Christenson
>
> 
>
> John Sgammato wrote:
>
> In other news, we are also a Mac house. Over three years of trial-and-error, 
> we have determined that our best setup is Bootcamp on the Mac, not Parallels 
> and not VirtualMachine.
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[Framers] Bootcamp vs. Parallels or VM, WAS: FrameMaker and Salesforce

[Pat Christenson]

Hi, John -

I've run FrameMaker under both Parallels and VMware Fusion but have only used 
in on a Windows platform for the last several years. I may soon be in a 
position to use a Mac again. I'm curious about your preference for Bootcamp 
(which I've never used). I would also love to hear from other Framers on this 
topic.

Thanks.

Pat Christenson



John Sgammato wrote:

In other news, we are also a Mac house. Over three years of trial-and-error, we 
have determined that our best setup is Bootcamp on the Mac, not Parallels and 
not VirtualMachine.


On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Robyn Chittister 
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Does anyone use FrameMaker and then integrate that documentation with 
> Salesforce?
>
> I'm 1 of 1-1/2 technical writers at a start up that creates cloud apps 
> for Salesforce. We are currently using Salesforce Knowledge to create 
> and deliver our documentation. Knowledge is possibly the worst 
> documentation tool I have ever used. We've been looking at various 
> single-sourcing solutions, and we're down to MadCap Flare and FrameMaker.
>
> I'm a FrameMaker user from way back - I started with FM+SGML 5.5 in 
> 1999. I developed templates and tools for FM+SGML and FM+XML from 
> 1999-2005. I've used FM 12 in an unstructured environment, and am 
> happy to see the improvements. I'm not sure how many improvements 
> there have been in the structured environment, however. I've tried to 
> contact Adobe, and have gotten a human being to say he'll give my 
> questions to a solutions specialist to answer. Knowing Adobe, I'm not going 
> to hold my breath.
>
> My questions are:
>
>- Is anyone here writing doc for Salesforce or Salesforce apps? If so,
>what tools do you use?
>- Is there a good comparison of the most recent versions of Flare v. FM?
>The only ones I've been able to find are from several years ago.
>- Is anyone here using FM+XML (either v12 or 2015) who could answer some
>specific questions I have about it?
>
>
> We're a Mac house, so I can't just download the trial versions. We 
> understand that we will need to get me set up with a VM and Windows to 
> use the software we choose.
>
> Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.
>
> ~Robyn
>
> --
>
>
> *Robyn Chittister  |  Senior Technical Writer*
>
> E: rchittis...@vlocity.com  |  P: 925.695.5710 |  W: www.vlocity.com 
>  
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