Re: [Framers] FrameMaker and transparency

[Lin Sims]

FM2019 is still available with a perpetual license, but it is pretty
expensive.

On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 12:59 PM Ken Poshedly 
wrote:

> Ladies & Gents,
>
> Short question: Does FrameMaker 10 support transparency (i.e., no
> background) in imported graphics or not?
>
> Details: I've created a "Text Frame" (not a Graphic Frame) on a page in a
> new document which has, of course, the usual frame for text flow. So that's
> a newly created Text Frame ON TOP OF a system-created "text flow frame" on
> a blank page. Then, in FrameMaker 10, I used 40 percent Royal Blue as the
> Fill for the new Text Frame.
>
> I then inserted my text into the new tinted Text Frame and inserted (by
> reference) a small graphic saved as a psd file which I've modified in
> Photoshop CS4 to have a transparent background (checkerboard pattern where
> the white background had originally been).
>
> In this case, the text warns the readership of the journal that I edit to
> be responsible and not open certain e-mails (and you know the rest). I've
> found a small little anti-virus symbol to use with that text (a red-framed
> triangle with an exclamation point and the word "Virus" inside the triangle
> -- like a European road sign). The original version of the graphic was a
> jpg which had a white background around the triangle; so, like I said, I
> used Photoshop CS4 to do the layering-thing and delete the white background
> around the triangle, then saved the new image as a psd file (and also as a
> png file). The newly modified image looks just right.
>
> But when I import (by reference) the psd (or even the png) version of that
> new image, the area around the red triangle still shows as white inside the
> tinted Text Frame. So it displays (and prints on a color laserjet printer)
> as a white box with the red-framed triangle inside the the blue-tinted Text
> Frame.
>
> I checked various resources, including Adobe and YouTube videos, about
> doing the transparent layering thing and I am apparently doing that part
> correctly.
>
> So is this a limitation of FrameMaker 10 (to not recognize transparent
> layers or whatever) or am I missing something? I would be most happy to
> take this off -list and send the image (and even the FM file) to whoever
> wants to take a stab at this.
>
> Or must I somehow learn how to set the area surrounding the red triangle
> to the same color as the blue tint in the Text Frame in the FrameMaker 10
> doc. And how to do THAT?
>
> By the way, I do not have the resources or desire (especially in these
> tough times) to "upgrade" to a new FM version with a perpetual monthly fee.
> -- Ken in Atlanta
>
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker and transparency

[Klaus Daube]

On 16 May 2020 at 16:21, Ken Poshedly wrote:

> Short question: Does FrameMaker 10 support transparency (i.e., no background) 
> in
> imported graphics or not?

As others told, "in principle"...

You may wish to read the tutorial from Arnis Gubins: 
https://community.adobe.com/havfw69955/attachments/havfw69955/framemaker/31011/1/FM_t
ransparency_rev1.pdf

Klaus Daube
~~
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker and transparency

[Reng Winfried]

Hi,

Bernd Meissner described this in the Adobe forum:
https://community.adobe.com/t5/framemaker/how-do-you-bring-a-white-image-with-a-transparent-background-into-frame-without-a-white-box-overlay/m-p/10439265?page=1#M60974

There he also added a link to a detailed description:
http://www.meissner-dokuteam.de/Files/Frame/Transparency2_p250.pdf

Best regards

Winfried

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Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker and transparency

Hi Ken,

Short answer: yes it does. Fm supports transparency in EPS files. 

But: you don’t see it on screen. And, it only works when printing to a 
postscript printer (or pdf).


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> Short question: Does FrameMaker 10 support transparency (i.e., no background) 
> in imported graphics or not?
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker and transparency

[Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp]

Hi Ken,

Short answer: yes it does. Fm supports transparency in EPS files. 

But: you don’t see it on screen. And, it only works when printing to a 
postscript printer (or pdf).


Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
 
Wim Hooghwinkel


Fonto  | DITAToo  | 
FrameMaker  | edc 
 | AEM 

 | MiramoPDF 

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> Op 16 mei 2020, om 22:02 heeft framers-requ...@lists.frameusers.com het 
> volgende geschreven:
> 
> Short question: Does FrameMaker 10 support transparency (i.e., no background) 
> in imported graphics or not?

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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker and transparency

[Mike Wickham]

Ken, FrameMaker 10 is capable of honoring transparency in certain 
circumstances, but presents difficulties. It has been a long time since 
I've used a transparent graphic, so let me see if I can remember how I 
did it. One thing I seem to recall is that having a transparent 
background wasn't enough, or maybe wasn't even necessary. The key thing 
was to put a clipping path around the object you want to keep. Then FM 
would recognize it and  knock out the rest. HOWEVER, FM 10 doesn't 
always display that transparency. So-- again, I might be remembering 
this wrong-- but, if you put one graphic with clipping path over another 
graphic, only the graphic in front actually displays. BUT it would print 
correctly to PDF. I do seem to recall that some graphics would honor the 
clipping path in display, i.e. not show the stuff you want knocked out, 
but that they had to be background graphics maybe? I can't recall. In 
other words, if I put the graphics fully  within the text column, the 
transparency would not show. But if I placed the graphic in the page 
margin, I could move it in toward the text column, overlapping it, and 
text would run around the clipping path.


I probably got some stuff wrong there, but maybe it will point you in 
the right direction. The key point to remember is that clipping paths 
are necessary to get results in some circumstances, and those results 
might be visible on when you print.


Oh, and I think the graphics have to be EPS files. I don't think PSD 
files work. Your text frame on top of a text frame might also add a 
factor of complexity to it. So try it in the main text frame, first.


Mike

On 5/16/2020 11:21 AM, Ken Poshedly wrote:

Ladies & Gents,

Short question: Does FrameMaker 10 support transparency (i.e., no background) 
in imported graphics or not?

Details: I've created a "Text Frame" (not a Graphic Frame) on a page in a new document 
which has, of course, the usual frame for text flow. So that's a newly created Text Frame ON TOP OF 
a system-created "text flow frame" on a blank page. Then, in FrameMaker 10, I used 40 
percent Royal Blue as the Fill for the new Text Frame.

I then inserted my text into the new tinted Text Frame and inserted (by 
reference) a small graphic saved as a psd file which I've modified in Photoshop 
CS4 to have a transparent background (checkerboard pattern where the white 
background had originally been).

In this case, the text warns the readership of the journal that I edit to be responsible 
and not open certain e-mails (and you know the rest). I've found a small little 
anti-virus symbol to use with that text (a red-framed triangle with an exclamation point 
and the word "Virus" inside the triangle -- like a European road sign). The 
original version of the graphic was a jpg which had a white background around the 
triangle; so, like I said, I used Photoshop CS4 to do the layering-thing and delete the 
white background around the triangle, then saved the new image as a psd file (and also as 
a png file). The newly modified image looks just right.

But when I import (by reference) the psd (or even the png) version of that new 
image, the area around the red triangle still shows as white inside the tinted 
Text Frame. So it displays (and prints on a color laserjet printer) as a white 
box with the red-framed triangle inside the the blue-tinted Text Frame.

I checked various resources, including Adobe and YouTube videos, about doing 
the transparent layering thing and I am apparently doing that part correctly.

So is this a limitation of FrameMaker 10 (to not recognize transparent layers 
or whatever) or am I missing something? I would be most happy to take this off 
-list and send the image (and even the FM file) to whoever wants to take a stab 
at this.

Or must I somehow learn how to set the area surrounding the red triangle to the 
same color as the blue tint in the Text Frame in the FrameMaker 10 doc. And how 
to do THAT?

By the way, I do not have the resources or desire (especially in these tough times) to 
"upgrade" to a new FM version with a perpetual monthly fee.
-- Ken in Atlanta

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[Framers] FrameMaker and transparency

[Ken Poshedly]

Ladies & Gents,

Short question: Does FrameMaker 10 support transparency (i.e., no background) 
in imported graphics or not?

Details: I've created a "Text Frame" (not a Graphic Frame) on a page in a new 
document which has, of course, the usual frame for text flow. So that's a newly 
created Text Frame ON TOP OF a system-created "text flow frame" on a blank 
page. Then, in FrameMaker 10, I used 40 percent Royal Blue as the Fill for the 
new Text Frame.

I then inserted my text into the new tinted Text Frame and inserted (by 
reference) a small graphic saved as a psd file which I've modified in Photoshop 
CS4 to have a transparent background (checkerboard pattern where the white 
background had originally been).

In this case, the text warns the readership of the journal that I edit to be 
responsible and not open certain e-mails (and you know the rest). I've found a 
small little anti-virus symbol to use with that text (a red-framed triangle 
with an exclamation point and the word "Virus" inside the triangle -- like a 
European road sign). The original version of the graphic was a jpg which had a 
white background around the triangle; so, like I said, I used Photoshop CS4 to 
do the layering-thing and delete the white background around the triangle, then 
saved the new image as a psd file (and also as a png file). The newly modified 
image looks just right.

But when I import (by reference) the psd (or even the png) version of that new 
image, the area around the red triangle still shows as white inside the tinted 
Text Frame. So it displays (and prints on a color laserjet printer) as a white 
box with the red-framed triangle inside the the blue-tinted Text Frame.

I checked various resources, including Adobe and YouTube videos, about doing 
the transparent layering thing and I am apparently doing that part correctly.

So is this a limitation of FrameMaker 10 (to not recognize transparent layers 
or whatever) or am I missing something? I would be most happy to take this off 
-list and send the image (and even the FM file) to whoever wants to take a stab 
at this.

Or must I somehow learn how to set the area surrounding the red triangle to the 
same color as the blue tint in the Text Frame in the FrameMaker 10 doc. And how 
to do THAT?

By the way, I do not have the resources or desire (especially in these tough 
times) to "upgrade" to a new FM version with a perpetual monthly fee.
-- Ken in Atlanta

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