Re: [Framers] Framers Digest, Vol 142, Issue 17

[Stefan Gentz]

Yes, I guess my hunch was right. That looks pretty much like a bold fauxing 
which is hard to fix. Feel free to send me the file as a zipped MIF and I will 
be happy to look at it and provide a fix.

 
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Stefan, SymbolBolded is reported as missing even though the docs have no bolded 
symbols. The Symbol character tag with no weight is applied.
SymbolBolded is not in the Fonts pod. I've searched for it with no luck. It's 
not on the body, reference, or master pages. I've even looked at one of the MIF 
files and didn't see Symbol Bolded anywhere.
 

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Which font (exactly) was reported as missing before you tried to get rid of it 
by turning off "Remember missing font names"? And which font (exactly) is 
reported as missing now?
I'm asking, because FM replaces fonts by a standard mappings (see maker.ini). 
And maybe something like "Fontname1 Heavy" was replaced with "Fontname2 Heavy" 
(which might be not present as well) or somethings replacement problems come up 
with Bold, Italic, BoldItalic replacements.

?
Regards,
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Thanks to everyone for suggestions on how to get rid of missing fonts. I had 
already tried those things, unfortunately, and they hadn't worked. 
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Re: [Framers] Framers Digest, Vol 142, Issue 17

[Mike Wickham]

I'm not sure if I'm remembering this correctly, but I think "Bolded" 
(rather than "Bold") is FrameMaker's way of saying that no actual bold 
font was available for use. Rather, someone used the Bold button in the 
toolbar (or selected Bolded in a paragraph or character designer) to 
apply a fake bold characteristic to text that uses the Symbol font. If I 
remember right, the Bold button will work as expected, if an actual bold 
font exists-- but if the font doesn't exist, then bold ("bolded") is 
simulated.


In the old days, of dot matrix printers, bold could be simulated on 
screen and in print by double displaying/printing text, with the second 
printing offset by a pixel to make the text look fat. Likewise, italics 
could be faked by incrementally offsetting each row of pixels in the 
text to make it appear to slant. It was ugly, but worked. When there is 
no actual bold or italic font, the Bold and Italic buttons attempt to do 
this. They mimic the effect on screen.  Note that this doesn't work with 
all fonts. So you may have the Bolded style applied, but not be able to 
see any bold text.


But displaying a fake attribute on screen doesn't mean that it will 
print, and it certainly won't work in a PDF, since the needed font is 
missing. Best practice is never to use the Bold or Italic buttons, since 
you may not know if you have an actual bold or italic font to back it 
up. You don't know what you will get. So always use an actual paragraph 
or character format to apply bold or italic style-- and don't choose 
"Bolded" or "Obliqued" if it pops up as an option, rather than true Bold 
or Italic or Oblique.


Anyway, if this is the case, you might be able to use Find/Change to fix 
it. Select Find: Character Format. Then, in the dialog that pops up, use 
Shift+F8 to set everything to "As is," then select Weight: Bolded. Click 
Set to close the dialog. Then click Find to find text that has the 
bolded attribute. Remove the bolded attribute. If you want bold, you 
will need to get a bold version of the font in question.


Hopefully, someone who understands this better will chime in if I got it 
wrong.


Mike Wickham

On 1/29/2018 4:54 PM, Catherine Forrest wrote:

Stefan, SymbolBolded is reported as missing even though the docs have no bolded 
symbols. The Symbol character tag with no weight is applied.
SymbolBolded is not in the Fonts pod. I've searched for it with no luck. It's 
not on the body, reference, or master pages. I've even looked at one of the MIF 
files and didn't see Symbol Bolded anywhere.



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Re: [Framers] Framers Digest, Vol 142, Issue 17

[grant]

   Catherine, If you are importing images or PDF files, that font might be
   in one of those.

   An alternative is to edit maker.ini and alias SymbolBolded to Symbol,
   Bold.

   Grant

 On January 29, 2018 at 3:54 PM Catherine Forrest wrote:
 Stefan, SymbolBolded is reported as missing even though the docs
 have no bolded symbols. The Symbol character tag with no weight is
 applied.
 SymbolBolded is not in the Fonts pod. I've searched for it with no
 luck. It's not on the body, reference, or master pages. I've even
 looked at one of the MIF files and didn't see Symbol Bolded
 anywhere.
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 Which font (exactly) was reported as missing before you tried to get
 rid of it by turning off "Remember missing font names"? And which
 font (exactly) is reported as missing now?
 I'm asking, because FM replaces fonts by a standard mappings (see
 maker.ini). And maybe something like "Fontname1 Heavy" was replaced
 with "Fontname2 Heavy" (which might be not present as well) or
 somethings replacement problems come up with Bold, Italic,
 BoldItalic replacements.
 ?
 Regards,
 Stefan Gentz
 Adobe Worldwide TechComm Evangelist
 ??
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 Hi,
 Heiko Haida wrote:

 the symbols U+201C and U+201D have to be used for the double quotes
 (in Simplified Chinese).

 At least as long as it's actually a "Quotation Mark." (for a
 quotation).
 If it's a title mark (e.g. for a book, or e.g. a chapter heading)
 fullwidth double angle brackets should be used as primary quotes):
 ??? (U+300A left double angle bracket, U+300B right double angle
 bracket)
 For embedding fullwidth single angle brackets, ??? (U+3008 left
 angle bracket, U+3009 right angle bracket) should be used (like
 this: ???)
 (I hope the Chinese 

Re: [Framers] Framers Digest, Vol 142, Issue 17

[Catherine Forrest]

Stefan, SymbolBolded is reported as missing even though the docs have no bolded 
symbols. The Symbol character tag with no weight is applied.
SymbolBolded is not in the Fonts pod. I've searched for it with no luck. It's 
not on the body, reference, or master pages. I've even looked at one of the MIF 
files and didn't see Symbol Bolded anywhere.
 

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Which font (exactly) was reported as missing before you tried to get rid of it 
by turning off "Remember missing font names"? And which font (exactly) is 
reported as missing now?
I'm asking, because FM replaces fonts by a standard mappings (see maker.ini). 
And maybe something like "Fontname1 Heavy" was replaced with "Fontname2 Heavy" 
(which might be not present as well) or somethings replacement problems come up 
with Bold, Italic, BoldItalic replacements.

?
Regards,
Stefan Gentz
Adobe Worldwide TechComm Evangelist
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Hi,

Heiko Haida wrote:
> the symbols U+201C and U+201D have to be used for the double quotes (in 
> Simplified Chinese).

At least as long as it's actually a "Quotation Mark." (for a quotation).

If it's a title mark (e.g. for a book, or e.g. a chapter heading) fullwidth 
double angle brackets should be used as primary quotes):

??? (U+300A left double angle bracket, U+300B right double angle bracket)

For embedding fullwidth single angle brackets, ??? (U+3008 left angle bracket, 
U+3009 right angle bracket) should be used (like this: ???)

(I hope the Chinese characters in this mail will make it through the list 
software.)

I was discussing the use of quotation marks long and broad with several Chinese 
TechComm experts at tcworld China Conference in Shanghai last spring and with 
Chinese typography experts after the conference. Final recommendation was to 
use ???in cross-references to the title of other documents or subheadings (in 
the same or external