Re: [Framers] Is this your final answer to equations?

[Robert Lauriston]

Do you have to create / maintain the equations with Word's equation editor?

How about using a third-party converter? https://www.grindeq.com/

Is this relevant?
https://docs.wiris.com/en/mathtype/office_tools/support_notices/tn103
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Re: [Framers] Is this your final answer to equations?

[Peter Gold]

I remember when a techwhirler at Sun Computer posted on one of these
listservs long ago, the discovery that the common "Lorem ipsum" placeholder
text wasn't random gobbledegook, but in fact, it seemed to prove that
ancient scribes had composed it, since it seemed to translate to something
like, "We love to write and beat ourselves with sticks."

We all have our memories of chasing seemingly-trivial rabbits through
looking-glasses into wonderlands of absolutely wrong stuff, until finally
coaxing out a true magic obvious tidbit. Is beating oneself with a stick to
celebrate closure, appropriately ironic?

On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 12:48 PM  wrote:

> Hi Lin, LOL . . . yep, you got that right. But, it works and at this
> point, I will take what I can get. Thank you so much again. I really can't
> express how much all the replies helped. At least it confirmed that I
> wasn't completely off my rocker about this issue. Tammy Van Boening Tammy
> dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com www.spectrumwritingllc.com
> -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Lin Sims Sent:
> Monday, August 9, 2021 11:35 AM To: An email list for people using Adobe
> FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] Is this your final answer to
> equations? Sorry for the no doubt massive tedium you're experiencing now.
> 🙁 I had a thought that maybe converting the Word file to XML (via the ZIP
> option) and opening the XML in Structured Frame might work, but it doesn't.
> The XML file needs some sort of schema or something like that and, of
> course, it doesn't have one. Poop. So much for that idea. On Mon, Aug 9,
> 2021 at 12:41 PM wrote: > So, > > > > Remember that game show "The weakest
> link?" Well, that's what keeps > going through my head as I ask myself "Is
> this your final answer?" > > > > First, I truly and sincerely appreciate
> everyone's input and advice to > this issue. It helped to me to feel not so
> alone in my quest. Second, > I will summarize at a very high level the
> results of investigating all > that I investigated and what I ultimately
> had to do. > > > > 1. For Export to PDF - There are no special settings
> that I could find > anywhere that would help me get the equations
> recognized as images > when exporting to PDF. The equations remained
> recognized as text. > 2. For Export to PDF/XPS - There was a single setting
> that I could try > (Optimize for Image Quality), but again, the equations
> were not being > recognized as images. Only text. > 3. For Save As HTM/HTML
> - I tried Lin's recommendations (Save > > Advanced, and Web Options) at a
> size of Cambria Math 14 point, many > subscripts, especially those with a
> descender such as a "j" were still > being cut off. A "j" actually looked
> like an "i," for example. > 4. For Save as HTM/HTML - I incorporated Lin's
> recommendations along > with Sue's to increase the font size (this was also
> found as a > work-around when googling this issue until my fingers bled)
> and voila, > it helped with the cutting off of the descenders in a
> subscript, but > introduced another issue. Although in the Word document an
> equation > remained on a single line at the increased font size, when
> extracted > as PNGs, these equations were now turned into multi-line
> equations at > arbitrary points so the equation was not pleasing or easy to
> read or > consistent in layout. Operators were left randomly on their own
> lines, > some lines had only two equation variables, others had three, etc.
> > > > > I have just punted at this point. I have worked off-book way too
> many > hours to try and resolve this issue further. I am going w/ the PDF >
> solution of saving the Word file to a PDF, and then cropping each >
> equation to the size that I need and importing the PDF into the FM >
> document. As vector images, scaling the PDF to view is not an issue > and I
> can now at least save the equations to a single folder with each > equation
> image having a unique name and I can import each equation > into the
> multiple documents as I need. If I need to make a change to > an equation,
> I can make a change in the original Word doc., save as a > PDF with the
> appropriate name and voila, all the documents that have > this equation
> imported will be updated en masse and the information > won't get out of
> sync across multiple documents. The only thing that > I will simplify going
> forward is to have each equation in its on Word > file so that I can deal
> w/ one PDF at a time and not have to take an >

Re: [Framers] Is this your final answer to equations?

[tammyvb]

Hi Lin, LOL . . . yep, you got that right. But, it works and at this point, I 
will take what I can get. Thank you so much again. I really can't express how 
much all the replies helped. At least it confirmed that I wasn't completely off 
my rocker about this issue. Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot vanboening at 
spectrumwritingllc dot com www.spectrumwritingllc.com -Original 
Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Lin Sims Sent: Monday, August 9, 2021 
11:35 AM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: 
Re: [Framers] Is this your final answer to equations? Sorry for the no doubt 
massive tedium you're experiencing now. 🙁 I had a thought that maybe converting 
the Word file to XML (via the ZIP option) and opening the XML in Structured 
Frame might work, but it doesn't. The XML file needs some sort of schema or 
something like that and, of course, it doesn't have one. Poop. So much for that 
idea. On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 12:41 PM wrote: > So, > > > > Remember that game 
show "The weakest link?" Well, that's what keeps > going through my head as I 
ask myself "Is this your final answer?" > > > > First, I truly and sincerely 
appreciate everyone's input and advice to > this issue. It helped to me to feel 
not so alone in my quest. Second, > I will summarize at a very high level the 
results of investigating all > that I investigated and what I ultimately had to 
do. > > > > 1. For Export to PDF - There are no special settings that I could 
find > anywhere that would help me get the equations recognized as images > 
when exporting to PDF. The equations remained recognized as text. > 2. For 
Export to PDF/XPS - There was a single setting that I could try > (Optimize for 
Image Quality), but again, the equations were not being > recognized as images. 
Only text. > 3. For Save As HTM/HTML - I tried Lin's recommendations (Save > > 
Advanced, and Web Options) at a size of Cambria Math 14 point, many > 
subscripts, especially those with a descender such as a "j" were still > being 
cut off. A "j" actually looked like an "i," for example. > 4. For Save as 
HTM/HTML - I incorporated Lin's recommendations along > with Sue's to increase 
the font size (this was also found as a > work-around when googling this issue 
until my fingers bled) and voila, > it helped with the cutting off of the 
descenders in a subscript, but > introduced another issue. Although in the Word 
document an equation > remained on a single line at the increased font size, 
when extracted > as PNGs, these equations were now turned into multi-line 
equations at > arbitrary points so the equation was not pleasing or easy to 
read or > consistent in layout. Operators were left randomly on their own 
lines, > some lines had only two equation variables, others had three, etc. > > 
> > I have just punted at this point. I have worked off-book way too many > 
hours to try and resolve this issue further. I am going w/ the PDF > solution 
of saving the Word file to a PDF, and then cropping each > equation to the size 
that I need and importing the PDF into the FM > document. As vector images, 
scaling the PDF to view is not an issue > and I can now at least save the 
equations to a single folder with each > equation image having a unique name 
and I can import each equation > into the multiple documents as I need. If I 
need to make a change to > an equation, I can make a change in the original 
Word doc., save as a > PDF with the appropriate name and voila, all the 
documents that have > this equation imported will be updated en masse and the 
information > won't get out of sync across multiple documents. The only thing 
that > I will simplify going forward is to have each equation in its on Word > 
file so that I can deal w/ one PDF at a time and not have to take an > extra 
step to crop each equation individually out of the PDF file. > > > > Again, I 
sincerely and truly appreciate all the effort, thoughts, and > advice that was 
supplied. This list just rocks w/ incredibly talented > and knowledgeable folks 
that always go the extra mile. I hope to be > able to pay it forward someday. > 
> > > Happy Monday > > > > TVB > > > > > > Tammy Van Boening > > Tammy dot 
vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com > > www.spectrumwritingllc.com > > > > 
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Re: [Framers] Is this your final answer to equations?

[Lin Sims]

Sorry for the no doubt massive tedium you're experiencing now. 🙁

I had a thought that maybe converting the Word file to XML (via the ZIP
option) and opening the XML in Structured Frame might work, but it doesn't.
The XML file needs some sort of schema or something like that and, of
course, it doesn't have one. Poop. So much for that idea.

On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 12:41 PM  wrote:

> So,
>
>
>
> Remember that game show "The weakest link?" Well, that's what keeps going
> through my head as I ask myself "Is this your final answer?"
>
>
>
> First, I truly and sincerely appreciate everyone's input and advice to this
> issue. It helped to me to feel not so alone in my quest. Second, I will
> summarize at a very high level the results of investigating all that I
> investigated and what I ultimately had to do.
>
>
>
> 1.  For Export to PDF - There are no special settings that I could find
> anywhere that would help me get the equations recognized as images when
> exporting to PDF. The equations remained recognized as text.
> 2.  For Export to PDF/XPS - There was a single setting that I could try
> (Optimize for Image Quality), but again, the equations were not being
> recognized as images. Only text.
> 3.  For Save As HTM/HTML - I tried Lin's recommendations (Save >
> Advanced, and Web Options) at a size of Cambria Math 14 point, many
> subscripts, especially those with a descender such as a "j" were still
> being
> cut off. A "j" actually looked like an "i," for example.
> 4.  For Save as HTM/HTML - I incorporated Lin's recommendations along
> with Sue's to increase the font size (this was also found as a work-around
> when googling this issue until my fingers bled) and voila, it helped with
> the cutting off of the descenders in a subscript, but introduced another
> issue. Although in the Word document an equation remained on a single line
> at the increased font size, when extracted as PNGs, these equations were
> now
> turned into multi-line equations at arbitrary points so the equation was
> not
> pleasing or easy to read or consistent in layout. Operators were left
> randomly on their own lines, some lines had only two equation variables,
> others had three, etc.
>
>
>
> I have just punted at this point. I have worked off-book way too many hours
> to try and resolve this issue further. I am going w/ the PDF solution of
> saving the Word file to a PDF, and then cropping each equation to the size
> that I need and importing the PDF into the FM document. As vector images,
> scaling the PDF to view is not an issue and I can now at least save the
> equations to a single folder with each equation image having a unique name
> and I can import each equation into the multiple documents as I need. If I
> need to make a change to an equation, I can make a change in the original
> Word doc., save as a PDF with the appropriate name and voila, all the
> documents that have this equation imported will be updated en masse and the
> information won't get out of sync across multiple documents.  The only
> thing
> that I will simplify going forward is to have each equation in its on Word
> file so that I can deal w/ one PDF at a time and not have to take an extra
> step to crop each equation individually out of the PDF file.
>
>
>
> Again, I sincerely and truly appreciate all the effort, thoughts, and
> advice
> that was supplied. This list just rocks w/ incredibly talented and
> knowledgeable folks that always go the extra mile. I hope to be able to pay
> it forward someday.
>
>
>
> Happy Monday
>
>
>
> TVB
>
>
>
>
>
> Tammy Van Boening
>
> Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
>
> www.spectrumwritingllc.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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[Framers] Is this your final answer to equations?

[tammyvb]

So,

 

Remember that game show "The weakest link?" Well, that's what keeps going
through my head as I ask myself "Is this your final answer?"

 

First, I truly and sincerely appreciate everyone's input and advice to this
issue. It helped to me to feel not so alone in my quest. Second, I will
summarize at a very high level the results of investigating all that I
investigated and what I ultimately had to do.

 

1.  For Export to PDF - There are no special settings that I could find
anywhere that would help me get the equations recognized as images when
exporting to PDF. The equations remained recognized as text.
2.  For Export to PDF/XPS - There was a single setting that I could try
(Optimize for Image Quality), but again, the equations were not being
recognized as images. Only text.
3.  For Save As HTM/HTML - I tried Lin's recommendations (Save >
Advanced, and Web Options) at a size of Cambria Math 14 point, many
subscripts, especially those with a descender such as a "j" were still being
cut off. A "j" actually looked like an "i," for example. 
4.  For Save as HTM/HTML - I incorporated Lin's recommendations along
with Sue's to increase the font size (this was also found as a work-around
when googling this issue until my fingers bled) and voila, it helped with
the cutting off of the descenders in a subscript, but introduced another
issue. Although in the Word document an equation remained on a single line
at the increased font size, when extracted as PNGs, these equations were now
turned into multi-line equations at arbitrary points so the equation was not
pleasing or easy to read or consistent in layout. Operators were left
randomly on their own lines, some lines had only two equation variables,
others had three, etc.  

 

I have just punted at this point. I have worked off-book way too many hours
to try and resolve this issue further. I am going w/ the PDF solution of
saving the Word file to a PDF, and then cropping each equation to the size
that I need and importing the PDF into the FM document. As vector images,
scaling the PDF to view is not an issue and I can now at least save the
equations to a single folder with each equation image having a unique name
and I can import each equation into the multiple documents as I need. If I
need to make a change to an equation, I can make a change in the original
Word doc., save as a PDF with the appropriate name and voila, all the
documents that have this equation imported will be updated en masse and the
information won't get out of sync across multiple documents.  The only thing
that I will simplify going forward is to have each equation in its on Word
file so that I can deal w/ one PDF at a time and not have to take an extra
step to crop each equation individually out of the PDF file.

 

Again, I sincerely and truly appreciate all the effort, thoughts, and advice
that was supplied. This list just rocks w/ incredibly talented and
knowledgeable folks that always go the extra mile. I hope to be able to pay
it forward someday.

 

Happy Monday

 

TVB

 

 

Tammy Van Boening

Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com

www.spectrumwritingllc.com

 

 

 


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