Re: How to delete trailing spaces in one go?
Bill Briggs wrote: At 12:19 PM -0600 8/3/07, Combs, Richard wrote: What am I missing? Nothing? Why do people not want those spaces? For me, it's just a habit I learned in other programs in which a trailing space actually does occupy some space. It never occurred to me (and I actually haven't tested it) that a trailing space in FM *wouldn't* occupy some space. If you leave your trash lying around in Ventura, you're liable to end up with an extra line between paragraphs when the text fills the measure and that extra space gets pushed to the next line. I also clean up leading spaces, multiple spaces, stray tabs, and multiple returns. Maybe trailing spaces are harmless in Frame, but Frame is just one of the programs I use, and this is one routine (of very few) that can be handled the same way in all my programs. Kenneth Benson Pegasus Type, Inc. www.pegtype.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
How to delete trailing spaces in one go?
Bill Briggs wrote: > At 12:19 PM -0600 8/3/07, Combs, Richard wrote: >> What am I missing? > > Nothing? > >> Why do people not want those spaces? For me, it's just a habit I learned in other programs in which a trailing space actually does occupy some space. It never occurred to me (and I actually haven't tested it) that a trailing space in FM *wouldn't* occupy some space. If you leave your trash lying around in Ventura, you're liable to end up with an extra line between paragraphs when the text fills the measure and that extra space gets pushed to the next line. I also clean up leading spaces, multiple spaces, stray tabs, and multiple returns. Maybe trailing spaces are harmless in Frame, but Frame is just one of the programs I use, and this is one routine (of very few) that can be handled the same way in all my programs. Kenneth Benson Pegasus Type, Inc. www.pegtype.com
RE: How to delete trailing spaces in one go?
Bodvar Bjorgvinsson wrote: I thought I had seen in this list a discussion on how to remove trailing spaces that so often come with Word documents that are either imported into FrameMaker or opened by FrameMaker (by conversion). I have a plethora of these and the closest I have got is to: Find: Text: . \p Replace: Text: .\p but this results in the new \p taking on the paragraph attributes of the next line, removing extra vertical space or changing to superscript if next line starts on a superscript. You can do it in two steps: 1. Create a character tag that changes the font. 2. Find . \p, Replace 'by pasting' with that character tag. 3. Select one of the spaces you've just converted. and Copy this space. 4. Find text and character formats on clipboard, Replace To text and leave the text box empty. This will leave the \p with the new character tag. This will be an issue if the \p is in a paragraph that is used in a generated list (TOC, etc.), but otherwise I don't think it'll be a problem. Alternatively, this can be done with a scripting tool like QuickKeys. Harro de Jong ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: How to delete trailing spaces in one go?
At 12:19 PM -0600 8/3/07, Combs, Richard wrote: What am I missing? Nothing? Why do people not want those spaces? I, like you, leave a trailing space. In fact, if I have an anchor - table or frame - hanging on the end of a para, I generally put an em space on either side of it so it's out there, obvious, and easy to select. - web ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
How to delete trailing spaces in one go?
Bodvar Bjorgvinsson wrote: > I thought I had seen in this list a discussion on how to remove > trailing spaces that so often come with Word documents that are either > imported into FrameMaker or opened by FrameMaker (by conversion). I > have a plethora of these and the closest I have got is to: > Find: Text: ". \p" > Replace: Text: ".\p" > but this results in the new \p taking on the paragraph attributes of > the next line, removing extra vertical space or changing to > superscript if next line starts on a superscript. You can do it in two steps: 1. Create a character tag that changes the font. 2. Find . \p, Replace 'by pasting' with that character tag. 3. Select one of the spaces you've just converted. and Copy this space. 4. Find "text and character formats on clipboard", Replace "To text" and leave the text box empty. This will leave the \p with the new character tag. This will be an issue if the \p is in a paragraph that is used in a generated list (TOC, etc.), but otherwise I don't think it'll be a problem. Alternatively, this can be done with a scripting tool like QuickKeys. Harro de Jong
Re: How to delete trailing spaces in one go?
Nowadays, bytes are pretty cheap, and your thumbs can use the exercise. Bytes are cheap, thumbs are not and actually, your thumbs do not need the exercise. Each extra space is an extra push with your thumb. Unfortunately most of us use less than efficient movement when we are keyboarding away and we tend to suffer from (pick your ailment): sore wrists sore elbows fatigue sore fingers trigger fingers sore neck blurred vision lower back discomfort TMJ So, don't be so cavalier about your thumbs, find your nearest Feldenkrais practitioner and sign up for lessons. You will be amazed at how the process helps you to work more comfortably at your computer . Leah Smaller Technical Communicator Certified Feldenkrais Method practitioner [EMAIL PROTECTED] What you truly learn best will appear to you later as your own discovery. (Dr. Moshe Feldenkrais) ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
How to delete trailing spaces in one go?
>Nowadays, bytes are pretty cheap, and your thumbs can use the exercise. Bytes are cheap, thumbs are not and actually, your thumbs do not need the exercise. Each extra space is an extra push with your thumb. Unfortunately most of us use less than efficient movement when we are keyboarding away and we tend to suffer from (pick your ailment): sore wrists sore elbows fatigue sore fingers trigger fingers sore neck blurred vision lower back discomfort TMJ So, don't be so cavalier about your thumbs, find your nearest Feldenkrais practitioner and sign up for lessons. You will be amazed at how the process helps you to work more comfortably at your computer . Leah Smaller Technical Communicator Certified Feldenkrais Method practitioner leah at compulite.com "What you truly learn best will appear to you later as your own discovery." (Dr. Moshe Feldenkrais)
Re: How to delete trailing spaces in one go?
Bodvar Bjorgvinsson wrote:
but this results in the new \p taking on the paragraph attributes of
the next line, removing extra vertical space or changing to
superscript if next line starts on a superscript.
I've had great success getting around this exact same problem in
Indesign (haven't tested it yet in Frame) by doing the Find/Replace in
two steps. First, find space return and replace with return {delete}
return. Then find {delete} return and replace with nothing.
{delete} can be anything you want it to, as long as it's unique.
Let me know if this works in FM.
Kenneth Benson
Pegasus Type, Inc.
www.pegtype.com
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How to delete trailing spaces in one go?
I thought I had seen in this list a discussion on how to remove trailing spaces that so often come with Word documents that are either imported into FrameMaker or opened by FrameMaker (by conversion). I have a plethora of these and the closest I have got is to: Find: Text: . \p Replace: Text: .\p but this results in the new \p taking on the paragraph attributes of the next line, removing extra vertical space or changing to superscript if next line starts on a superscript. Was there another solution to this? Thanks, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson Iceland ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: How to delete trailing spaces in one go?
Bodvar Bjorgvinsson wrote: I thought I had seen in this list a discussion on how to remove trailing spaces that so often come with Word documents that are either imported into FrameMaker or opened by FrameMaker (by conversion). I have a plethora of these and the closest I have got is to: Find: Text: . \p Replace: Text: .\p but this results in the new \p taking on the paragraph attributes of the next line, removing extra vertical space or changing to superscript if next line starts on a superscript. I vaguely remember that discussion, but can't find it. I recall being tempted to object to the idea then, so I think I'll do so now. I'm in the habit of always typing a space at the end of a paragraph, and I can't imagine why one would need to remove them. In fact, there are at least two situations in FM where you really should have a space before the end of the paragraph: -- When text adjacent to the pilcrow (end of paragraph symbol) has a character format applied to it, the format change affects the paragraph itself, marking it as an override. A space between the text and the pilcrow avoids this override (as long as the char format isn't applied to the space, of course). -- When a text inset sits adjacent to the pilcrow, an update of the text inset causes the paragraph in which it sits to take on the format of the first paragraph in the text inset. A space (or anything else) between the text inset and the pilcrow avoids this problem. Besides that, if you get in the habit of always ending a sentence with a space, then merging two paragraphs doesn't cause two sentences to collide. What am I missing? Why do people not want those spaces? Nowadays, bytes are pretty cheap, and your thumbs can use the exercise. :-) Richard -- Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: How to delete trailing spaces in one go?
Sorry, Kenneth,
I get the same results. Even if I add a \P to the change, I then get a
new line and both pilchrows take the character formatting of the
first character in the following line.
Regrettably I cannot check this in FM 8 as it won't allow me to open
it (in trial). I hope they have changed this erraneous behaviour in 8.
There were several annoyances still in the Beta 2, and I don't think
they took the time to finish correcting these.
Bodvar
On 8/3/07, Kenneth C. Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bodvar Bjorgvinsson wrote:
but this results in the new \p taking on the paragraph attributes of
the next line, removing extra vertical space or changing to
superscript if next line starts on a superscript.
I've had great success getting around this exact same problem in
Indesign (haven't tested it yet in Frame) by doing the Find/Replace in
two steps. First, find space return and replace with return {delete}
return. Then find {delete} return and replace with nothing.
{delete} can be anything you want it to, as long as it's unique.
Let me know if this works in FM.
Kenneth Benson
Pegasus Type, Inc.
www.pegtype.com
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Re: How to delete trailing spaces in one go?
On 8/3/07, Combs, Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson wrote: I thought I had seen in this list a discussion on how to remove trailing spaces that so often come with Word documents that are either imported into FrameMaker or opened by FrameMaker (by conversion). I have a plethora of these and the closest I have got is to: Find: Text: . \p Replace: Text: .\p but this results in the new \p taking on the paragraph attributes of the next line, removing extra vertical space or changing to superscript if next line starts on a superscript. I vaguely remember that discussion, but can't find it. I recall being tempted to object to the idea then, so I think I'll do so now. I'm in the habit of always typing a space at the end of a paragraph, and I can't imagine why one would need to remove them. In fact, there are at least two situations in FM where you really should have a space before the end of the paragraph: -- When text adjacent to the pilcrow (end of paragraph symbol) has a character format applied to it, the format change affects the paragraph itself, marking it as an override. A space between the text and the pilcrow avoids this override (as long as the char format isn't applied to the space, of course). -- When a text inset sits adjacent to the pilcrow, an update of the text inset causes the paragraph in which it sits to take on the format of the first paragraph in the text inset. A space (or anything else) between the text inset and the pilcrow avoids this problem. Both arguments above are valid seen from the point of FM behaviour. Besides that, if you get in the habit of always ending a sentence with a space, then merging two paragraphs doesn't cause two sentences to collide. OK, this one too. What am I missing? Why do people not want those spaces? When you get a space at the end of a line the line will tend to give the trailing space an unnecessary space. This I have often seen on the screen, but I have not exactly done a test on it in printing, but many experienced people on the list and others warn against using the trailing space. Nowadays, bytes are pretty cheap, and your thumbs can use the exercise. :-) Richard Lol! Bodvar ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
How to delete trailing spaces in one go?
Bodvar Bjorgvinsson wrote:
> but this results in the new \p taking on the paragraph attributes of
> the next line, removing extra vertical space or changing to
> superscript if next line starts on a superscript.
I've had great success getting around this exact same problem in
Indesign (haven't tested it yet in Frame) by doing the Find/Replace in
two steps. First, find space return and replace with return {delete}
return. Then find {delete} return and replace with nothing.
{delete} can be anything you want it to, as long as it's unique.
Let me know if this works in FM.
Kenneth Benson
Pegasus Type, Inc.
www.pegtype.com
How to delete trailing spaces in one go?
Bodvar Bjorgvinsson wrote: > I thought I had seen in this list a discussion on how to > remove trailing spaces that so often come with Word documents > that are either imported into FrameMaker or opened by > FrameMaker (by conversion). I have a plethora of these and > the closest I have got is to: > Find: Text: ". \p" > Replace: Text: ".\p" > but this results in the new \p taking on the paragraph > attributes of the next line, removing extra vertical space or > changing to superscript if next line starts on a superscript. I vaguely remember that discussion, but can't find it. I recall being tempted to object to the idea then, so I think I'll do so now. I'm in the habit of always typing a space at the end of a paragraph, and I can't imagine why one would need to remove them. In fact, there are at least two situations in FM where you really should have a space before the end of the paragraph: -- When text adjacent to the pilcrow (end of paragraph symbol) has a character format applied to it, the format change affects the paragraph itself, marking it as an override. A space between the text and the pilcrow avoids this override (as long as the char format isn't applied to the space, of course). -- When a text inset sits adjacent to the pilcrow, an update of the text inset causes the paragraph in which it sits to take on the format of the first paragraph in the text inset. A space (or anything else) between the text inset and the pilcrow avoids this problem. Besides that, if you get in the habit of always ending a sentence with a space, then merging two paragraphs doesn't cause two sentences to collide. What am I missing? Why do people not want those spaces? Nowadays, bytes are pretty cheap, and your thumbs can use the exercise. :-) Richard -- Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 --
How to delete trailing spaces in one go?
Sorry, Kenneth,
I get the same results. Even if I add a \P to the change, I then get a
new line and both pilchrows take the character formatting of the
first character in the following line.
Regrettably I cannot check this in FM 8 as it won't allow me to open
it (in trial). I hope they have changed this erraneous behaviour in 8.
There were several annoyances still in the Beta 2, and I don't think
they took the time to finish correcting these.
Bodvar
On 8/3/07, Kenneth C. Benson wrote:
> Bodvar Bjorgvinsson wrote:
>
> > but this results in the new \p taking on the paragraph attributes of
> > the next line, removing extra vertical space or changing to
> > superscript if next line starts on a superscript.
>
>
> I've had great success getting around this exact same problem in
> Indesign (haven't tested it yet in Frame) by doing the Find/Replace in
> two steps. First, find space return and replace with return {delete}
> return. Then find {delete} return and replace with nothing.
>
> {delete} can be anything you want it to, as long as it's unique.
>
> Let me know if this works in FM.
>
> Kenneth Benson
> Pegasus Type, Inc.
> www.pegtype.com
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How to delete trailing spaces in one go?
On 8/3/07, Combs, Richard wrote: > Bodvar Bjorgvinsson wrote: > > > I thought I had seen in this list a discussion on how to > > remove trailing spaces that so often come with Word documents > > that are either imported into FrameMaker or opened by > > FrameMaker (by conversion). I have a plethora of these and > > the closest I have got is to: > > Find: Text: ". \p" > > Replace: Text: ".\p" > > but this results in the new \p taking on the paragraph > > attributes of the next line, removing extra vertical space or > > changing to superscript if next line starts on a superscript. > > I vaguely remember that discussion, but can't find it. I recall being > tempted to object to the idea then, so I think I'll do so now. > > I'm in the habit of always typing a space at the end of a paragraph, and > I can't imagine why one would need to remove them. In fact, there are at > least two situations in FM where you really should have a space before > the end of the paragraph: > > -- When text adjacent to the pilcrow (end of paragraph symbol) has a > character format applied to it, the format change affects the paragraph > itself, marking it as an override. A space between the text and the > pilcrow avoids this override (as long as the char format isn't applied > to the space, of course). > > -- When a text inset sits adjacent to the pilcrow, an update of the text > inset causes the paragraph in which it sits to take on the format of the > first paragraph in the text inset. A space (or anything else) between > the text inset and the pilcrow avoids this problem. > Both arguments above are valid seen from the point of FM behaviour. > Besides that, if you get in the habit of always ending a sentence with a > space, then merging two paragraphs doesn't cause two sentences to > collide. > OK, this one too. > What am I missing? Why do people not want those spaces? When you get a space at the end of a line the line will tend to give the trailing space an unnecessary space. This I have often seen on the screen, but I have not exactly done a test on it in printing, but many experienced people on the list and others warn against using the trailing space. > > Nowadays, bytes are pretty cheap, and your thumbs can use the exercise. > :-) > > Richard > Lol! Bodvar
How to delete trailing spaces in one go?
At 12:19 PM -0600 8/3/07, Combs, Richard wrote: >What am I missing? Nothing? >Why do people not want those spaces? I, like you, leave a trailing space. In fact, if I have an anchor - table or frame - hanging on the end of a para, I generally put an em space on either side of it so it's out there, obvious, and easy to select. - web
