Can the spelling checker be trusted? Yes!
I was very pleased that the Adobe engineers were interested in my problem with the spelling checker not finding obviously misspelled words. Amit Agarwal and I traded several emails and files, and he found the reason and a fix. Co-incidentally, William's suggestion landed in my email box today as well. Apparently character tags can be set to None for language, which makes the spelling checker skip the rest of the paragraph, even if it doesn't use that tag. Here's is Amit's workaround, which worked for me. I'm glad to know the spelling checker isn't just batty. (Except for the corrections suggestions.) THE STEPS I DID TO CORRECT THE PROBLEM: • Click in the document • Find panel → Select find Character Format • Press Shift + F8 key to make it As Is • Select Language=None • In Change → Select Character Format • Press Shift + F8 key to make it As Is • Select Language=US English • Click Change All • Spell Check again, Spell Checker should find the misspelled word. In my file, I had a character tag used for run-in heads that was not set to US English. I had never really noticed that you can apply language to a character tag. I know now! Anyway, thanks to all of you, and thanks to Amit who stuck with it until he figured it out. It does seem to be a bug that the spelling checker skips the rest of the paragraph. The misspelled word definitely carried a character format that was set to US English. Jenny Begin forwarded message: From: William Abernathy will...@inch.com Date: May 28, 2010 10:26:01 AM PDT To: jennygreenl...@comcast.net Subject: Re: Can the spelling checker be trusted? I have seen individual words and portions of paragraphs carrying foreign dictionary tags that were riding along with the text, but unresponsive to the paragraph language setting at the paragraph level. If memory serves, I had to highlight the text without crossing a p-tag boundary and manually set the language back to None, or US English (sorry I can't be more specific -- it's been a while since I've seen this problem). Jenny Greenleaf wrote: Great ideas, thank you. Sadly I did do the option to reset all paragraphs. I even made sure to tear the pod away from the side so the sub-pod dialog might work. The paragraph is set to US English. There are no overrides on it. The word can't be in a dictionary since the spelling checker correctly finds it when the cursor is placed in the same paragraph with the offending word. Back to proofing Jenny -- William Abernathy Berkeley, CA http://yourwritereditor.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Can the spelling checker be trusted? Yes!
On Fri, 28 May 2010, Jenny Greenleaf wrote: -snips - In my file, I had a character tag used for run-in heads that was not set to US English. I had never really noticed that you can apply language to a character tag. I know now! As a FrameMaker Geezer, this should have tripped a little bell in the back of my head. D'oh! Language NONE behavior with the spell checker is actually a handy feature. You can set code examples this way so as to avoid a lot of busy work when the spell checker walks through snippets of example programming code that might be in your docs. Glad you got it fixed and found this FM feature, Frank Stearns Associates | makers of IXgen(tm) for FrameMaker(r) fra...@fsatools.com mailto:fra...@fsatools.com TOLL FREE Voice (USA and Canada): 800-567-6421 USA Voice: 360-892-3970 USA FAX: 360-253-1498 http://www.fsatools.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Can the spelling checker be trusted? Yes!
I'm not sure I would call it fixed. It's still a bug that the tag makes the spelling checker miss errors in the rest of the paragraph. In my case, the rest of the paragraph contained text formatted as Default Font. I'm just happy I have a workaround and pleased that Adobe cared enough to respond. J On May 28, 2010, at 1:35 PM, Frank Stearns wrote: On Fri, 28 May 2010, Jenny Greenleaf wrote: -snips - In my file, I had a character tag used for run-in heads that was not set to US English. I had never really noticed that you can apply language to a character tag. I know now! As a FrameMaker Geezer, this should have tripped a little bell in the back of my head. D'oh! Language NONE behavior with the spell checker is actually a handy feature. You can set code examples this way so as to avoid a lot of busy work when the spell checker walks through snippets of example programming code that might be in your docs. Glad you got it fixed and found this FM feature, Frank Stearns Associates | makers of IXgen(tm) for FrameMaker(r) fra...@fsatools.com mailto:fra...@fsatools.com TOLL FREE Voice (USA and Canada): 800-567-6421 USA Voice: 360-892-3970 USA FAX: 360-253-1498 http://www.fsatools.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Can the spelling checker be trusted? Yes!
THE STEPS I DID TO CORRECT THE PROBLEM: • Click in the document • Find panel → Select find Character Format • Press Shift + F8 key to make it As Is • Select Language=None • In Change → Select Character Format • Press Shift + F8 key to make it As Is • Select Language=US English • Click Change All • Spell Check again, Spell Checker should find the misspelled word. Well, darn. I thought I'd try that procedure, just to see if I had any character formats set to language of None that I might want to change. Unfortunately, FM9 finds _everything in the document_ when I set the language to None. It skips around the document finding blocks as short as one line or as long as several pages, until it has found everything in the document. It seems that something else is very wrong. FM9 p250 on Windows XP SP3 Mike Wickham ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Can the spelling checker be trusted? Yes!
You had better luck than I did. I thought I'd try it on a book. I did Change All, waited about forever, then had to CTRL-ALT-DEL to get out. Then I tried it on just a chapter. Same result. Am rebooting everything. This procedure worked great in a very, very small file--maybe 4 paragraphs. That was the file Amit was working with. Darn! I thought I had it. FM9p250 on Windows XP SP3, running under VMWare Fusion on a Mac Jenny Greenleaf On May 28, 2010, at 4:11 PM, Mike Wickham wrote: THE STEPS I DID TO CORRECT THE PROBLEM: • Click in the document • Find panel → Select find Character Format • Press Shift + F8 key to make it As Is • Select Language=None • In Change → Select Character Format • Press Shift + F8 key to make it As Is • Select Language=US English • Click Change All • Spell Check again, Spell Checker should find the misspelled word. Well, darn. I thought I'd try that procedure, just to see if I had any character formats set to language of None that I might want to change. Unfortunately, FM9 finds _everything in the document_ when I set the language to None. It skips around the document finding blocks as short as one line or as long as several pages, until it has found everything in the document. It seems that something else is very wrong. FM9 p250 on Windows XP SP3 Mike Wickham ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as jennygreenl...@comcast.net. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jennygreenleaf%40comcast.net Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Can the spelling checker be trusted? Yes!
I was very pleased that the Adobe engineers were interested in my problem with the spelling checker not finding obviously misspelled words. Amit Agarwal and I traded several emails and files, and he found the reason and a fix. Co-incidentally, William's suggestion landed in my email box today as well. Apparently character tags can be set to None for language, which makes the spelling checker skip the rest of the paragraph, even if it doesn't use that tag. Here's is Amit's workaround, which worked for me. I'm glad to know the spelling checker isn't just batty. (Except for the corrections suggestions.) THE STEPS I DID TO CORRECT THE PROBLEM: ? Click in the document ? Find panel ? Select find Character Format ? Press Shift + F8 key to make it "As Is" ? Select "Language=None" ? In Change ? Select Character Format ? Press Shift + F8 key to make it "As Is" ? Select "Language=US English" ? Click "Change All" ? Spell Check again, Spell Checker should find the misspelled word. In my file, I had a character tag used for run-in heads that was not set to US English. I had never really noticed that you can apply language to a character tag. I know now! Anyway, thanks to all of you, and thanks to Amit who stuck with it until he figured it out. It does seem to be a bug that the spelling checker skips the rest of the paragraph. The misspelled word definitely carried a character format that was set to US English. Jenny Begin forwarded message: > From: William Abernathy > Date: May 28, 2010 10:26:01 AM PDT > To: jennygreenleaf at comcast.net > Subject: Re: Can the spelling checker be trusted? > > I have seen individual words and portions of paragraphs carrying foreign > dictionary tags that were riding along with the text, but unresponsive to the > paragraph > language setting at the paragraph level. If memory serves, I had > to highlight the text without crossing a p-tag boundary and manually set the > language back to None, or US English (sorry I can't be more specific -- it's > been a while since I've seen this problem). > > > Jenny Greenleaf wrote: >> Great ideas, thank you. Sadly >> >> I did do the option to reset all paragraphs. I even made sure to tear the pod >> away from the side so the sub-pod dialog might work. >> >> The paragraph is set to US English. There are no overrides on it. >> >> The word can't be in a dictionary since the spelling checker correctly finds >> it when the cursor is placed in the same paragraph with the offending word. >> >> Back to proofing >> >> Jenny > > > > > -- > William Abernathy > Berkeley, CA > http://yourwritereditor.com
Can the spelling checker be trusted? Yes!
> THE STEPS I DID TO CORRECT THE PROBLEM: > ? Click in the document > ? Find panel ? Select find Character Format > ? Press Shift + F8 key to make it "As Is" > ? Select "Language=None" > ? In Change ? Select Character Format > ? Press Shift + F8 key to make it "As Is" > ? Select "Language=US English" > ? Click "Change All" > ? Spell Check again, Spell Checker should find the misspelled word. Well, darn. I thought I'd try that procedure, just to see if I had any character formats set to language of None that I might want to change. Unfortunately, FM9 finds _everything in the document_ when I set the language to None. It skips around the document finding blocks as short as one line or as long as several pages, until it has found everything in the document. It seems that something else is very wrong. FM9 p250 on Windows XP SP3 Mike Wickham
