Re: OT: Unbelievable On-Line Help Stupidity

2006-03-10 Thread Paul Findon

On 10 Mar 2006, at 17:15, Wayne Brissette wrote:

Those directions are for Windows XP Professional. If I follow them on 
my work computer, they are 100% correct. Obviously there are multiple 
issues here. First, the wrong help files with the wrong OS, but we can 
also lay blame on MS for have way too many versions of the same basic 
OS and doing things differently in each.


Not to worry. I gather there will only be six versions of Vista ;-)

Paul

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RE: OT: Unbelievable On-Line Help Stupidity

2006-03-10 Thread Anne Robotti
 Sure makes writing installation procedures fun.  No
 matter *what* you do, some users will think you're
 a fool.  :-(

Unless you want to do something *totally* crazy  out there, like
stabilize your software, perform adequate testing, document the actual
interface and distribute it to the users according to the version they
buy! But where was I going with that?

Anne
 


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OT: Unbelievable On-Line Help Stupidity

2006-03-10 Thread Daniel Emory
I was helping a friend who?d just acquired her first
computer, an E-Machine with Windows XP.

I was demonstrating how to get help, and showed how
she could type in a search phrase and get a list of
all the help topics containing that phrase. So, to
demonstrate how to properly shut down the computer, I
entered the search phrase ?Turn Off.? Sure enough, all
the help topics containing that phrase appeared, and I
selected the?Turn Off The Computer? topic. Here are
the instructions which appeared under that topic:

?Click Start, click Shut Down, and then in the
drop-down list click Shut Down?

The only part of that instruction which is correct is
?Click Start.?

o There is no Shut Down option under Start. It?s
called ?Turn Off Computer.?

o There is no drop-down list under the ?Turn Off
Computer? dialog. Instead, there are 3 buttons.

o There is no button option under ?Turn Off Computer?
called ?Shut Down? Instead there are three button
options: ?Stand By?, ?Turn Off?, and ?Restart.?



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FrameMaker/FrameMaker+SGML Document Design & Database Publishing




OT: Unbelievable On-Line Help Stupidity

2006-03-10 Thread Paul Findon
On 10 Mar 2006, at 17:15, Wayne Brissette wrote:

> Those directions are for Windows XP Professional. If I follow them on 
> my work computer, they are 100% correct. Obviously there are multiple 
> issues here. First, the wrong help files with the wrong OS, but we can 
> also lay blame on MS for have way too many versions of the same basic 
> OS and doing things differently in each.

Not to worry. I gather there will only be six versions of Vista ;-)

Paul




OT: Unbelievable On-Line Help Stupidity

2006-03-10 Thread Jeremy H. Griffith
On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 08:55:57 -0800 (PST), Daniel Emory 
 wrote:

>?Click Start, click Shut Down, and then in the
>drop-down list click Shut Down?
>
>The only part of that instruction which is correct is
>?Click Start.?

It's correct for my Win 2000 Pro system... I wonder
if it is correct for XP machines that were "upgraded"
from Win2K?  There are other differences between XP
machines that were formerly 2K, and ones that were XP
from the start, notably the name of the system dir,
"winnt" on 2K and "windows" on native XP.

Sure makes writing installation procedures fun.  No
matter *what* you do, some users will think you're 
a fool.  :-(

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/



OT: Unbelievable On-Line Help Stupidity

2006-03-10 Thread Anne Robotti
> Sure makes writing installation procedures fun.  No
> matter *what* you do, some users will think you're
> a fool.  :-(

Unless you want to do something *totally* crazy & out there, like
stabilize your software, perform adequate testing, document the actual
interface and distribute it to the users according to the version they
buy! But where was I going with that?

Anne



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OT: Unbelievable On-Line Help Stupidity

2006-03-10 Thread Jeremy H. Griffith
On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 13:25:29 -0500, "Anne Robotti" 
 wrote:

>> Sure makes writing installation procedures fun.  No
>> matter *what* you do, some users will think you're
>> a fool.  :-(
>
>Unless you want to do something *totally* crazy & out there, like
>stabilize your software, perform adequate testing, document the actual
>interface and distribute it to the users according to the version they
>buy! But where was I going with that?

No idea.  While I totally agree that what you suggest is
the right way to go, there seem to be a few variables in
the case at hand that are hard for a Help author to control
for.  How are you to know whether a system is upgraded or
is an original install?  When a system offers user choice
of UI features, how do you know which ones were chosen?
When the manufacturer of the OS can't keep Help matching
the installed system, what chance does an ISV author have?
And Vista has *how* many versions???

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/