AW: Page Numbering Format (# of ##) in an FM Book
Hi Jasmine, There is TOOLBOX for FrameMaker (7, 8 and 9) take 'Book Services' Last page number See TOOLBOX Manual: http://bit.ly/aJjSFC (Page 51 Acrobat) All information about TOOLBOX and download links are there: www.toolboxforme.com Thank you for choosing TOOLBOX. - Georg Hello Framers, I need to setup page numbering formatted as Page # of ## in a book with several files. The Page Count variable (building block $lastpagenum), pulls the last page number of the current file, not the last page number in the book. So, it's correct in the last file of the book, but not the others. Is there any way to set up a variable that will read the last page number in the book? Or, is there another way to accomplish this without setting it manually after I generate the final book? TIA! Jasmine Graham ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
AW: Page Numbering Format (# of ##) in an FM Book
Hi Jasmine, There is TOOLBOX for FrameMaker (7, 8 and 9) take 'Book Services' > Last page number See TOOLBOX Manual: http://bit.ly/aJjSFC (Page 51 Acrobat) All information about TOOLBOX and download links are there: www.toolboxforme.com Thank you for choosing TOOLBOX. - Georg Hello Framers, I need to setup page numbering formatted as "Page # of ##" in a book with several files. The Page Count variable (building block <$lastpagenum>), pulls the last page number of the current file, not the last page number in the book. So, it's correct in the last file of the book, but not the others. Is there any way to set up a variable that will read the last page number in the book? Or, is there another way to accomplish this without setting it manually after I generate the final book? TIA! Jasmine Graham
Page Numbering Format (# of ##) in an FM Book
Classification: NOT PROTECTIVELY MARKED I put $lastpagenum in the Master pages of the last file (text colour white so it doesn't show) in its own para format. Then I insert x-refs to that paratag in the other files in the book. I can send you samples off-list if you like. Works a treat. Bit of a bother to set up, but once it's there it sorts itself out and you don't have to bother again. Cynthia Milton - 0773 889 5991 Technical Documentation (Cyclamen - Rollestone) Note: I will be OOF from 21/06/10, returning 12/07 -Original Message- Classification: NOT PROTECTIVELY MARKED This e-mail and any attachments may contain sensitive and/or privileged material. It is for the intended addressee(s) only. If you are not a named addressee, you must not use, retain or disclose such information. Serco cannot guarantee that the email or any attachments are free from viruses. The views expressed in this email are those of the originator and do not necessarily represent the views of Serco. Nothing in this email shall bind Serco in any contract or obligation. Please note that all email messages sent to Serco are subject to monitoring/interception for lawful business purposes. Serco Group PLC. Registered in England and Wales. No: 2048608. Registered Office: Serco House, 16 Bartley Wood Business Park, Bartley Way, Hook, Hampshire, RG27 9UY. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Page Numbering Format (# of ##) in an FM Book
Classification: NOT PROTECTIVELY MARKED I put <$lastpagenum> in the Master pages of the last file (text colour white so it doesn't show) in its own para format. Then I insert x-refs to that paratag in the other files in the book. I can send you samples off-list if you like. Works a treat. Bit of a bother to set up, but once it's there it sorts itself out and you don't have to bother again. Cynthia Milton - 0773 889 5991 Technical Documentation (Cyclamen - Rollestone) Note: I will be OOF from 21/06/10, returning 12/07 -Original Message- Classification: NOT PROTECTIVELY MARKED This e-mail and any attachments may contain sensitive and/or privileged material. It is for the intended addressee(s) only. If you are not a named addressee, you must not use, retain or disclose such information. Serco cannot guarantee that the email or any attachments are free from viruses. The views expressed in this email are those of the originator and do not necessarily represent the views of Serco. Nothing in this email shall bind Serco in any contract or obligation. Please note that all email messages sent to Serco are subject to monitoring/interception for lawful business purposes. Serco Group PLC. Registered in England and Wales. No: 2048608. Registered Office: Serco House, 16 Bartley Wood Business Park, Bartley Way, Hook, Hampshire, RG27 9UY.
Re: Page Numbering Format (# of ##) in an FM Book
Jasmine, The easiest way I found was to insert the $lastpagenum variable in the very last page of my book, and cross-reference it for all the other chapters. It worked just fine. Berny Gagne From: Graham, Jasmine S yassamin.gra...@weatherford.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Sent: Tue, June 8, 2010 1:34:24 PM Subject: Page Numbering Format (# of ##) in an FM Book Hello Framers, I need to setup page numbering formatted as Page # of ## in a book with several files. The Page Count variable (building block $lastpagenum), pulls the last page number of the current file, not the last page number in the book. So, it's correct in the last file of the book, but not the others. Is there any way to set up a variable that will read the last page number in the book? Or, is there another way to accomplish this without setting it manually after I generate the final book? TIA! Jasmine Graham Technical Writer, Research and Development Wireline Services Weatherford │ 481 Winscott Road │ Fort Worth │ TX │ 76126 Main: +1.817.249.7200 │ Direct: +1.817.249.7032 │ Fax: +1.817.249.7885 │ Mobile: +1.817.235.3620 jasmine.gra...@weatherford.com│ www.weatherford.com === CONFIDENTIAL PRIVILEGED COMMUNICATION The information contained in this message is privileged, confidential, and protected from disclosure. This message is intended for the individual or entity addressed herein. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use or disclose this communication to others. Also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The sender totally disclaims, and will not accept, any responsibility or liability for the unauthorized use, or the consequences of any unauthorized use, of this communication or message. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as bernyga...@rogers.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bernygagne%40rogers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Page Numbering Format (# of ##) in an FM Book
Thank you to all who responded. I didn't think about using a cross-reference (DUH)! BTW, I forgot to mention that I use structured Frame. Here's what I did: EDD - Added new element: EndOfBook Paragraph format: EndOfBook (2pts. White text). Explanatory Text appears in Cross-Ref dialog. Cross Reference format: EndOfBook (building block $pagenum) Insert unstructured cross-reference on master page (no need for a new X-REF element tag at this time). I'm still tinkering with my remaining master pages, but I've gone far enough to test this and it works. Marvelous! Jasmine Graham Technical Writer, Research and Development Wireline Services Weatherford │ 481 Winscott Road │ Fort Worth │ TX │ 76126 Main: +1.817.249.7200 │ Direct: +1.817.249.7032 │ Fax: +1.817.249.7885 │ Mobile: +1.817.235.3620 jasmine.gra...@weatherford.com │ www.weatherford.com From: Dave Reynolds [mailto:dave.reyno...@taitradio.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 7:49 PM To: Graham, Jasmine S Subject: Re: Page Numbering Format (# of ##) in an FM Book Hi Jasmine I have done this in a small book. I used the following method to set up the Page # of ## in a book with several files. It assumes you are using continuous page numbering throughout the book. 1. On the last page of the last file in the book, insert a new paragraph and give it a new para format (eg LastPage). In my book I have actually put some explanatory text in this para so I know what it is and set the colour to white so it doesn't show. You may or may not wish to do this because this text will end up in the PDF and will be searchible even though it is invisible. 2. Set up the page numbering in the footer of each file as Page # of [Xref]. # is the normal Current Page variable, and [Xref] is a cross reference to the LastPage paragraph. Set the format of this cross reference to use the $pagenum building block and give the format a meaningful name. 3. Import the new Xref format to all files. When you update the book your page numbering will be updated to reflect the total number of pages in the book. You do have to remember that the LastPage para is there and what it's for, though. And remember to make sure it is always on the last page of the book. Hope this helps Dave Graham, Jasmine S wrote, on 9/06/2010 5:34 a.m.: Hello Framers, I need to setup page numbering formatted as Page # of ## in a book with several files. The Page Count variable (building block $lastpagenum), pulls the last page number of the current file, not the last page number in the book. So, it's correct in the last file of the book, but not the others. Is there any way to set up a variable that will read the last page number in the book? Or, is there another way to accomplish this without setting it manually after I generate the final book? TIA! Jasmine Graham Technical Writer, Research and Development Wireline Services Weatherford │ 481 Winscott Road │ Fort Worth │ TX │ 76126 Main: +1.817.249.7200 │ Direct: +1.817.249.7032 │ Fax: +1.817.249.7885 │ Mobile: +1.817.235.3620 jasmine.gra...@weatherford.com │ www.weatherford.com === CONFIDENTIAL PRIVILEGED COMMUNICATION The information contained in this message is privileged, confidential, and protected from disclosure. This message is intended for the individual or entity addressed herein. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use or disclose this communication to others. Also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The sender totally disclaims, and will not accept, any responsibility or liability for the unauthorized use, or the consequences of any unauthorized use, of this communication or message. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as dave.reyno...@tait.co.nz. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dave.reynolds%40tait.co.nz Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Dave Reynolds Senior Technical Author Tait Radio Communications 175 Roydvale Ave, Christchurch, New Zealand DDI: 64 3 3581029 www.taitradio.com dave.reyno...@taitradio.com TAIT: THE RIGHT FIT http://www.taitworld.com/main/index.cfm/1,82,0,44,html/About-Tait === CONFIDENTIAL PRIVILEGED COMMUNICATION The information contained in this message is privileged, confidential, and protected from disclosure. This message is intended for the individual or entity addressed herein. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use or disclose this communication to others. Also please notify the sender by replying
Page Numbering Format (# of ##) in an FM Book
Thank you to all who responded. I didn't think about using a cross-reference (DUH)! BTW, I forgot to mention that I use structured Frame. Here's what I did: EDD - Added new element: EndOfBook Paragraph format: EndOfBook (2pts. White text). Explanatory Text appears in Cross-Ref dialog. Cross Reference format: EndOfBook (building block <$pagenum>) Insert unstructured cross-reference on master page (no need for a new X-REF element tag at this time). I'm still tinkering with my remaining master pages, but I've gone far enough to test this and it works. Marvelous! Jasmine Graham Technical Writer, Research and Development Wireline Services Weatherford ? 481 Winscott Road ? Fort Worth ? TX ? 76126 Main: +1.817.249.7200 ? Direct: +1.817.249.7032 ? Fax: +1.817.249.7885 ? Mobile: +1.817.235.3620 jasmine.graham at weatherford.com ? www.weatherford.com From: Dave Reynolds [mailto:dave.reyno...@taitradio.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 7:49 PM To: Graham, Jasmine S Subject: Re: Page Numbering Format (# of ##) in an FM Book Hi Jasmine I have done this in a small book. I used the following method to set up the "Page # of ##" in a book with several files. It assumes you are using continuous page numbering throughout the book. 1. On the last page of the last file in the book, insert a new paragraph and give it a new para format (eg LastPage). In my book I have actually put some explanatory text in this para so I know what it is and set the colour to white so it doesn't show. You may or may not wish to do this because this text will end up in the PDF and will be searchible even though it is invisible. 2. Set up the page numbering in the footer of each file as "Page # of [Xref]". # is the normal Current Page variable, and [Xref] is a cross reference to the LastPage paragraph. Set the format of this cross reference to use the <$pagenum> building block and give the format a meaningful name. 3. Import the new Xref format to all files. When you update the book your page numbering will be updated to reflect the total number of pages in the book. You do have to remember that the LastPage para is there and what it's for, though. And remember to make sure it is always on the last page of the book. Hope this helps Dave Graham, Jasmine S wrote, on 9/06/2010 5:34 a.m.: Hello Framers, I need to setup page numbering formatted as "Page # of ##" in a book with several files. The Page Count variable (building block <$lastpagenum>), pulls the last page number of the current file, not the last page number in the book. So, it's correct in the last file of the book, but not the others. Is there any way to set up a variable that will read the last page number in the book? Or, is there another way to accomplish this without setting it manually after I generate the final book? TIA! Jasmine Graham Technical Writer, Research and Development Wireline Services Weatherford ? 481 Winscott Road ? Fort Worth ? TX ? 76126 Main: +1.817.249.7200 ? Direct: +1.817.249.7032 ? Fax: +1.817.249.7885 ? Mobile: +1.817.235.3620 jasmine.graham at weatherford.com ? www.weatherford.com === CONFIDENTIAL & PRIVILEGED COMMUNICATION The information contained in this message is privileged, confidential, and protected from disclosure. This message is intended for the individual or entity addressed herein. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use or disclose this communication to others. Also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The sender totally disclaims, and will not accept, any responsibility or liability for the unauthorized use, or the consequences of any unauthorized use, of this communication or message. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as dave.reynolds at tait.co.nz. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dave.reynolds%40tait.co.nz Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ? -- Dave Reynolds Senior Technical Author Tait Radio Communications 175 Roydvale Ave, Christchurch, New Zealand DDI: 64 3 3581029 www.taitradio.com dave.reynolds at taitradio.com TAIT: THE RIGHT FIT <http://www.taitworld.com/main/index.cfm/1,82,0,44,html/About-Tait> === CONFIDENTIAL & PRIVILEGED COMMUNICATION The information contained in this message is privileged, confidential, and protected from disclosure. This message is intended for the individual or entity addressed herein. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use or disclose this commu
Page Numbering Format (# of ##) in an FM Book
Hello Framers, I need to setup page numbering formatted as Page # of ## in a book with several files. The Page Count variable (building block $lastpagenum), pulls the last page number of the current file, not the last page number in the book. So, it's correct in the last file of the book, but not the others. Is there any way to set up a variable that will read the last page number in the book? Or, is there another way to accomplish this without setting it manually after I generate the final book? TIA! Jasmine Graham Technical Writer, Research and Development Wireline Services Weatherford │ 481 Winscott Road │ Fort Worth │ TX │ 76126 Main: +1.817.249.7200 │ Direct: +1.817.249.7032 │ Fax: +1.817.249.7885 │ Mobile: +1.817.235.3620 jasmine.gra...@weatherford.com │ www.weatherford.com === CONFIDENTIAL PRIVILEGED COMMUNICATION The information contained in this message is privileged, confidential, and protected from disclosure. This message is intended for the individual or entity addressed herein. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use or disclose this communication to others. Also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The sender totally disclaims, and will not accept, any responsibility or liability for the unauthorized use, or the consequences of any unauthorized use, of this communication or message. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Page Numbering Format (# of ##) in an FM Book
Jazz, If memory serves me, Rick Quartro has a script that will do this. If he doesn't, and you are delivering PDFs, you can do this in Acrobat. I just tested it and it works with Acrobat 8. In Acrobat, open you PDF and select Document Add Header and Footer. Then select Setup Page Number and Date format, select 1 of n. Select Insert page number. If you have to revert to this option, you might want to edit your Frame footer to accommodate the Acrobat page numbering. Otherwise it could get a little messy. --- On Tue, 6/8/10, Graham, Jasmine S yassamin.gra...@weatherford.com wrote: From: Graham, Jasmine S yassamin.gra...@weatherford.com Subject: Page Numbering Format (# of ##) in an FM Book To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 12:34 PM Hello Framers, I need to setup page numbering formatted as Page # of ## in a book with several files. The Page Count variable (building block $lastpagenum), pulls the last page number of the current file, not the last page number in the book. So, it's correct in the last file of the book, but not the others. Is there any way to set up a variable that will read the last page number in the book? Or, is there another way to accomplish this without setting it manually after I generate the final book? TIA! Jasmine Graham Technical Writer, Research and Development Wireline Services Weatherford │ 481 Winscott Road │ Fort Worth │ TX │ 76126 Main: +1.817.249.7200 │ Direct: +1.817.249.7032 │ Fax: +1.817.249.7885 │ Mobile: +1.817.235.3620 jasmine.gra...@weatherford.com │ www.weatherford.com === CONFIDENTIAL PRIVILEGED COMMUNICATION The information contained in this message is privileged, confidential, and protected from disclosure. This message is intended for the individual or entity addressed herein. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use or disclose this communication to others. Also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The sender totally disclaims, and will not accept, any responsibility or liability for the unauthorized use, or the consequences of any unauthorized use, of this communication or message. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as dspre...@yahoo.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dspreadb%40yahoo.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Page Numbering Format (# of ##) in an FM Book
Hello Framers, I need to setup page numbering formatted as "Page # of ##" in a book with several files. The Page Count variable (building block <$lastpagenum>), pulls the last page number of the current file, not the last page number in the book. So, it's correct in the last file of the book, but not the others. Is there any way to set up a variable that will read the last page number in the book? Or, is there another way to accomplish this without setting it manually after I generate the final book? TIA! Jasmine Graham Technical Writer, Research and Development Wireline Services Weatherford ? 481 Winscott Road ? Fort Worth ? TX ? 76126 Main: +1.817.249.7200 ? Direct: +1.817.249.7032 ? Fax: +1.817.249.7885 ? Mobile: +1.817.235.3620 jasmine.graham at weatherford.com ? www.weatherford.com === CONFIDENTIAL & PRIVILEGED COMMUNICATION The information contained in this message is privileged, confidential, and protected from disclosure. This message is intended for the individual or entity addressed herein. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use or disclose this communication to others. Also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The sender totally disclaims, and will not accept, any responsibility or liability for the unauthorized use, or the consequences of any unauthorized use, of this communication or message.
Page Numbering Format (# of ##) in an FM Book
Jazz, If memory serves me, Rick Quartro has a script that will do this. ? If he doesn't, and you are delivering PDFs, you can do this in Acrobat. I just tested it and it works with Acrobat 8. ? In Acrobat, open you PDF and select Document > Add Header and Footer. Then select Setup Page Number and Date format, select 1 of n. Select Insert page number. ? If you have to revert to this option, you?might want to edit your Frame footer to?accommodate the Acrobat page numbering. Otherwise it could get a little messy. --- On Tue, 6/8/10, Graham, Jasmine S wrote: From: Graham, Jasmine S <yassamin.gra...@weatherford.com> Subject: Page Numbering Format (# of ##) in an FM Book To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 12:34 PM Hello Framers, I need to setup page numbering formatted as "Page # of ##" in a book with several files. The Page Count variable (building block <$lastpagenum>), pulls the last page number of the current file, not the last page number in the book. So, it's correct in the last file of the book, but not the others. Is there any way to set up a variable that will read the last page number in the book? Or, is there another way to accomplish this without setting it manually after I generate the final book? TIA! Jasmine Graham Technical Writer, Research and Development Wireline Services Weatherford ? 481 Winscott Road ? Fort Worth ? TX ? 76126 Main: +1.817.249.7200 ? Direct: +1.817.249.7032 ? Fax: +1.817.249.7885 ? Mobile: +1.817.235.3620 jasmine.graham at weatherford.com ? www.weatherford.com === CONFIDENTIAL & PRIVILEGED COMMUNICATION The information contained in this message is privileged, confidential, and protected from disclosure. This message is intended for the individual or entity addressed herein. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use or disclose this communication to others. Also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The sender totally disclaims, and will not accept, any responsibility or liability for the unauthorized use, or the consequences of any unauthorized use, of this communication or message. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as dspreadb at yahoo.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dspreadb%40yahoo.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Page Numbering Format (# of ##) in an FM Book
Jasmine, The easiest way I found was to insert the <$lastpagenum> variable in the very last page of my book, and cross-reference it for all the other chapters. It worked just fine. Berny Gagne From: "Graham, Jasmine S" <yassamin.gra...@weatherford.com> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Sent: Tue, June 8, 2010 1:34:24 PM Subject: Page Numbering Format (# of ##) in an FM Book Hello Framers, I need to setup page numbering formatted as "Page # of ##" in a book with several files. The Page Count variable (building block <$lastpagenum>), pulls the last page number of the current file, not the last page number in the book. So, it's correct in the last file of the book, but not the others. Is there any way to set up a variable that will read the last page number in the book? Or, is there another way to accomplish this without setting it manually after I generate the final book? TIA! Jasmine Graham Technical Writer, Research and Development Wireline Services Weatherford ? 481 Winscott Road ? Fort Worth ? TX ? 76126 Main: +1.817.249.7200 ? Direct: +1.817.249.7032 ? Fax: +1.817.249.7885 ? Mobile: +1.817.235.3620 jasmine.graham at weatherford.com? www.weatherford.com === CONFIDENTIAL & PRIVILEGED COMMUNICATION The information contained in this message is privileged, confidential, and protected from disclosure. This message is intended for the individual or entity addressed herein. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use or disclose this communication to others. Also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The sender totally disclaims, and will not accept, any responsibility or liability for the unauthorized use, or the consequences of any unauthorized use, of this communication or message. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as bernygagne at rogers.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bernygagne%40rogers.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.