Re: Can not import PDF properties to book files

2011-06-19 Thread Klaus Daube
On 19 Jun 2011 at 16:22, Shlomo Perets wrote:

> To import the complete PDF Setup, including bookmarks, both Paragraph
> Formats and Document Properties have to be selected.

On 19 Jun 2011 at 14:39, Fred Ridder wrote:

> I think what you are seeing is that the PDF Setup properties update
> only in an additive way when you import them from another file (or
> when you set them on the book level and expect them to ripple down to
> the individual component files). 

Shlomo and Fred,

Thank You very much for these insights. I did not imagine neither effect, 
although the additive 
method is common to all imports in FM (otherwise the 'Clean Import' plug-in 
would not be 
necessary...

And Shlomos remark seems pursuable for me: in the bookmarks the ¶-formats have 
a role...

Even after so many years of using FM i still have holes in the knowledge about 
it!
Thank You

Klaus
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RE: Can not import PDF properties to book files

2011-06-19 Thread Fred Ridder

I think what you are seeing is that the PDF Setup properties update only in an 
additive way when you import them from another file (or when you set them on 
the book level and expect them to reiple down to the individual component 
files).
 
If any file has extraneous tags selected in the PDF Bookmark properties, those 
tags will remain in that property set until/unless you manually delete them and 
save the file. When you generate a PDF, FrameMaker will pass bookmark data to 
Acrobat for all the tag names that are set in the book file's PDF Setup, *plus* 
data for any additional tags in a specific chapter if that chapter's file-level 
PDF Setup. If you import the relevant formatting properties from another file, 
FrameMaker will add to the bookmark list any tagds that are selected in the 
"template" file but not in the target, but *will not delete* andy tags that are 
selected in the target but not the "template". 
 
This behavior has been this way for a while--at least since FrameMaker 6 and 
Acrobat 6, which was the first time I came up against it--and was apparently 
done as a feature (although it is completely undocumented). At my previous 
employer I actually used this feature to improve the usability of the bookmarks 
in a handful of our documents that had atypical organizations. The book-level 
PDF Setup include the bookmarks to be picked up from *every* chaptre, but a 
couple of chapters had additional, specialized tags identified in their 
book-level PDF Setup. Once I had this set up, it remained through all book 
update and import formats operations because the special tags don't get deleted.
 
The annoying thing is that under some set of circumstances I've never 
identified (because it is pretty rare), FrameMaker spontaneously adds a bunch 
of errant tags to the PDF Setup bookmarks list for some specific file. Unless 
you consistently inspect the bookmarks after generating your PDFs, you'll never 
catch this, and unless you know the cause you'll spend many hours trying to get 
the bookmarks to behave (or deleting the errant ones from the PDF each itme you 
publish).
 
-Fred Ridder 
 

> From: fr...@daube.ch
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 22:21:36 +0200
> Subject: Can not import PDF properties to book files
> 
> Friends of FrameMaker
> 
> I have a strange problem with a book containing 3 files. This happens on 
> both FM-9 and FM-8 (not yet tested with FM-10).
> 
> File 1 has incorrect PDF settings (wierd book marks)
> File 2 has correct PDF settings
> File 3 has incorrect PDF settings
> 
> All files including the book file have gone through a MIF wash. All files 
> are on local disk.
> 
> 1) When generating a PDF (via print or via Save as PDF) the settings have 
> to be entered into the set-up dialog at every generation.
> To avoid this i want to set the properties in files 1 and 3 accordingly.
> 
> 2) Book file and file 2 is open. In the book file I select all files and 
> import the Document Properties from file 2.
> => settings in file 1 and 3 are still wrong.
> 
> 3) All files and the book file are open. In file 1 i import Document 
> Properties from file 2.
> => settings in file 1 are still wrong.
> 
> I have put the files on my server: http://daube.ch/z_temp/pdf-
> problem9.zip (FM-9), http://daube.ch/z_temp/pdf-problem8.zip (FM-8) and 
> http://daube.ch/z_temp/pdf-problem0.zip (FM-9, new files).
> 
> I do not understand this...
> 
> Klaus
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Re: Can not import PDF properties to book files

2011-06-19 Thread Steve Johnson
I don't understand your problem statement or why you're trying to do
it this way.

I took your Frame 8 files and did this:

Open the book
File > Open All Files in Book
In the book file, Control+P
Make sure the Adobe PDF printer driver is selected
Select the Generate Acrobat Data check box
Click PDF Setup
Click the Bookmarks tab
Set the bookmarks the way I wanted them
File > Save All Files in Book

Closed everything, reopened, the bookmarks are the same. I have no
idea what you're trying to do but if you try that it might work.

On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Klaus Daube  wrote:
> Friends of FrameMaker
>
> I have a strange problem with a book containing 3 files. This happens on
> both FM-9 and FM-8 (not yet tested with FM-10).
>
> File 1 has incorrect PDF settings (wierd book marks)
> File 2 has correct PDF settings
> File 3 has incorrect PDF settings
>
> All files including the book file have gone through a MIF wash. All files
> are on local disk.
>
> 1) When generating a PDF (via print or via Save as PDF) the settings have
> to be entered into the set-up dialog at every generation.
> To avoid this i want to set the properties in files 1 and 3 accordingly.
>
> 2) Book file and file 2 is open. In the book file I select all files and
> import the Document Properties from file 2.
> => settings in file 1 and 3 are still wrong.
>
> 3) All files and the book file are open. In file 1 i import Document
> Properties from file 2.
> => settings in file 1 are still wrong.
>
> I have put the files on my server: http://daube.ch/z_temp/pdf-
> problem9.zip (FM-9), http://daube.ch/z_temp/pdf-problem8.zip (FM-8) and
> http://daube.ch/z_temp/pdf-problem0.zip (FM-9, new files).
>
> I do not understand this...
>
> Klaus
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Re: Can not import PDF properties to book files

2011-06-19 Thread Shlomo Perets

Hi Klaus,

You wrote:


I have a strange problem with a book containing 3 files. This happens on
both FM-9 and FM-8 (not yet tested with FM-10).

File 1 has incorrect PDF settings (wierd book marks)
File 2 has correct PDF settings
File 3 has incorrect PDF settings

All files including the book file have gone through a MIF wash. All files
are on local disk.

1) When generating a PDF (via print or via Save as PDF) the settings have
to be entered into the set-up dialog at every generation.
To avoid this i want to set the properties in files 1 and 3 accordingly.

2) Book file and file 2 is open. In the book file I select all files and
import the Document Properties from file 2.
=> settings in file 1 and 3 are still wrong.

3) All files and the book file are open. In file 1 i import Document
Properties from file 2.
=> settings in file 1 are still wrong.

I have put the files on my server: http://daube.ch/z_temp/pdf-
problem9.zip (FM-9), http://daube.ch/z_temp/pdf-problem8.zip (FM-8) and
http://daube.ch/z_temp/pdf-problem0.zip (FM-9, new files).

I do not understand this...



I did not check your files, but you indicate Document Properties as the 
category being imported, yet also mention weird bookmarks.


To import the complete PDF Setup, including bookmarks, both Paragraph 
Formats and Document Properties have to be selected.



Shlomo Perets

MicroType, http://www.microtype.com
FrameMaker/TCS training & consulting * FM-to-Acrobat TimeSavers/Assistants




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