Re: Frame 11 catastrophe -- unable to open old Frame files
Could you provide an update, please, Peter? Just in passing, for long-term storage, MIF wold be a slightly safer choice than a binary format... .but I've never had any trouble opening FM files that are 3-4 vintage. Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 I support www.TheGrotonLine.com, hyperlocal news for Groton MA. On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 4:25 AM, Peter Schorer petescho...@gmail.com wrote: A couple of days ago I found out that hundreds of the old Frame files I had always been able to open through several versions of Frame, can no longer be opened in Frame 11. This has been confirmed by two Frame 11 experts. For me in my work, this is nothing short of a catastrophe. ** ** Incredibly -- yet this too has been confirmed by Frame 11 experts -- those old files have been converted into Microsoft Word files! That wasn't done by me, since I have never used MS Word in my life, and have certainly never converted a Frame file into an MS Word file. ** ** I can't possibly be the only long-time Frame user who has made this shocking discovery. Adobe/Frame management could fix the problem by simply allowing all those old files to be opened as Text files. This is how I always opened them in the past. ** ** Needless to say, prior to my buying Frame 11 last fall, Frame 11 Sales mentioned not a word about old Frame files no longer being accessible. ** ** I would like to hear from anyone who has run into this major problem. ** ** -- Peter Schorer ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as art.campb...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Frame 11 catastrophe -- unable to open old Frame files
Hi Peter, When you open a FrameMaker binary file with a text editor, it will show the FrameMaker version of this file in the very first line. In my case: MakerFile 10.0 How does your first line look like? Best regards Winfried From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Peter Schorer Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2013 10:25 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Frame 11 catastrophe -- unable to open old Frame files A couple of days ago I found out that hundreds of the old Frame files I had always been able to open through several versions of Frame, can no longer be opened in Frame 11. This has been confirmed by two Frame 11 experts. For me in my work, this is nothing short of a catastrophe. Incredibly -- yet this too has been confirmed by Frame 11 experts -- those old files have been converted into Microsoft Word files! That wasn't done by me, since I have never used MS Word in my life, and have certainly never converted a Frame file into an MS Word file. I can't possibly be the only long-time Frame user who has made this shocking discovery. Adobe/Frame management could fix the problem by simply allowing all those old files to be opened as Text files. This is how I always opened them in the past. Needless to say, prior to my buying Frame 11 last fall, Frame 11 Sales mentioned not a word about old Frame files no longer being accessible. I would like to hear from anyone who has run into this major problem. -- Peter Schorer This e-mail contains privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressees named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in respect of any information contained in it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail and immediately destroy this e-mail and its attachments. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Frame 11 catastrophe -- unable to open old Frame files
FYI -- one of the hallmarks of FrameMaker is the stability of its file format over the years. As with the others who have previously posted, I have opened very old versions of FrameMaker (e.g. 3.5) in FrameMaker 9 while still in the translation industry. Incidentally, if you take a current or recent version of FrameMaker, you can save an unstructured FM doc to MIF, and then open that MIF in an older version of FrameMaker. Although you will get many error messages, you will only lose any newer formatting or doc features not supported in the newer version. The document content will remain intact. Note: save as MIF and opening in an older version is not intended nor supported as a round trip between versions, but it does work well. p.s. if the files you were working with are in some sort of *.doc format (Word) you may try saving them to RTF, then open that in FrameMaker -- you find that it will work better. _ Maxwell Hoffmann | Product Evangelist | Adobe | p. 503.336.5952 | c. 503.805.3719 | mhoff...@adobe.com http://twitter.com/maxwellhoffmann - http://www.linkedin.com/in/maxwellhoffmann blogs.adobe.com/techcomm -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wickham Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 6:48 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Frame 11 catastrophe -- unable to open old Frame files FrameMaker 11 is backward compatible with old .FM files and FrameMaker doesn't have the capability to create a Word .DOC file. FrameMaker can save as a .RTF file, which Word can read-- but various objects and FrameMaker features will be lost in translation. Most importantly, saving as .RTF won't overwrite the original .FM file. So if your .FM files are gone and something is there in their place, blame a human being, not FrameMaker. Mike Wickham ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as mhoff...@adobe.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/mhoffman%40adobe.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Frame 11 catastrophe -- unable to open old Frame files
At 09:24 + 11/3/13, Steve Rickaby wrote: Or maybe the file type/extent got changed accidentally, but the contents are still Frame? I should have amplified this. I have had it happen on my system: a bunch of old (Frame 3) files mysteriously acquired a '.doc' extension, but the contents were unchanged and were readable by FrameMaker. -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Frame 11 catastrophe -- unable to open old Frame files
Hi Peter, You don't say how old, but I just opened a FrameMaker 6 file with FrameMaker 11 with no problem. And FrameMaker files don't just convert themselves to Word files. I don't know who the experts are, but I think you are getting bad information. If you send me one of the documents off-list, I will try to open it here. Rick Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-283-5045 r...@frameexpert.com From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Peter Schorer Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2013 4:25 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Frame 11 catastrophe -- unable to open old Frame files A couple of days ago I found out that hundreds of the old Frame files I had always been able to open through several versions of Frame, can no longer be opened in Frame 11. This has been confirmed by two Frame 11 experts. For me in my work, this is nothing short of a catastrophe. Incredibly -- yet this too has been confirmed by Frame 11 experts -- those old files have been converted into Microsoft Word files! That wasn't done by me, since I have never used MS Word in my life, and have certainly never converted a Frame file into an MS Word file. I can't possibly be the only long-time Frame user who has made this shocking discovery. Adobe/Frame management could fix the problem by simply allowing all those old files to be opened as Text files. This is how I always opened them in the past. Needless to say, prior to my buying Frame 11 last fall, Frame 11 Sales mentioned not a word about old Frame files no longer being accessible. I would like to hear from anyone who has run into this major problem. -- Peter Schorer ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Frame 11 catastrophe -- unable to open old Frame files
Peter, I have no trouble opening old FM files in version 11 ... including a very old FM version 3 file that someone had sent out on the list last year! Also, I quickly tried opening a few FM 6, and 8 files that I have here and there was no trouble - yes, it offered to convert them as usual, but no problems opening them. Z ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Frame 11 catastrophe -- unable to open old Frame files
I'm sure that Adobe sales didn't mention it because they truly believe that this is NOT an issue! Do you have any of your alert messages suppressed in the Preferences? To add to what Rick and Syed said, I have *never* seen an FM file that will not open into a later version of FM. In fact, I use files in training classes that are installed with FM 11 install. The files date back at least to FM 5.1. I often pull in files from FM5 through FM 10 for current FM 11 clients. Always successful. Please let everyone know if you find folks who experience this problem. My prediction is that you find the issue is with something other than FM11 itself. -Matt Matt Sullivan technical communication | online training | eLearning twitter: @mattrsullivan phone: 714 960-6840 On Mar 9, 2013, at 1:25 AM, Peter Schorer petescho...@gmail.com wrote: Needless to say, prior to my buying Frame 11 last fall, Frame 11 Sales mentioned not a word about old Frame files no longer being accessible. I would like to hear from anyone who has run into this major problem. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Frame 11 catastrophe -- unable to open old Frame files
Hi, Peter, et. al. For reference, I have just checked and opened one FM 3 file, and many FM 5 (from mid-to-end nineteen nineties), 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10 files without any problems. With two types of notifications (that did not change the outcome really): -the [common] offer to convert to latest version, and -a notice about missing some language support for documents (that I had received rather than created). Even these last ones still looked perfectly fine on the screen - at least in the English versions I looked at. :) Z ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Frame 11 catastrophe -- unable to open old Frame files
If a bunch of files that used to be in FrameMaker format are now in Word format, someone converted them. FM11 has nothing to do with it. On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 1:25 AM, Peter Schorer petescho...@gmail.com wrote: hundreds of the old Frame files ... have been converted into Microsoft Word files! That wasn't done by me, since I have never used MS Word in my life, and have certainly never converted a Frame file into an MS Word file. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Frame 11 catastrophe -- unable to open old Frame files
FrameMaker 11 is backward compatible with old .FM files and FrameMaker doesn't have the capability to create a Word .DOC file. FrameMaker can save as a .RTF file, which Word can read-- but various objects and FrameMaker features will be lost in translation. Most importantly, saving as .RTF won't overwrite the original .FM file. So if your .FM files are gone and something is there in their place, blame a human being, not FrameMaker. Mike Wickham ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.